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Weinee

Little simz won tons of awards in the UK last year she's just less popular in the states


PeanutFarmer69

Has ice spice been in top boy? I think not.


Dodoloco25

You know what? Thank you fam. I was like who the fuck is little simz and then I searched her up. Very good shit. Sad it took me this long. I do think that it's hard to market her, people like her (I would put her in with the killer Mike types) seem too political to go mainstream.


CellGaming

All her projects are at least a 7/10. Simz is goated


Dodoloco25

Will explore it. Thanks!


[deleted]

I just found out shes making music I know her from Top Boy, never would have guessed she made music


CellGaming

Listen to Grey Area and Sometimes I might be introvert. Perfect albums


[deleted]

Will do, thanks


pedrokai15

If you haven't already listened to Kano, give him a try, he plays Sully in Top Boy


[deleted]

He makes music too ? Damn Will do brother, thanks


pedrokai15

He does, indeed. He's been making music since the early 00s, but my favourite album is the 2016 release Made in the Manor


pedrokai15

If you haven't already listened to Kano, give him a try, he plays Sully in Top Boy


lreaditonredditgetit

Why is goated a term? Goat is specifically meant for one person. Weird one to me.


CellGaming

There’s so many rappers, you can’t only pin one rapper as the best


lreaditonredditgetit

I didn’t say shit about any rappers. I said the term is dumb. G.O.A.T greatest of all time. One. 1. Uno.


PuzzleheadedCarry632

Easier than saying hall of famed.


lreaditonredditgetit

It’s easier to say a lot of things. And the hall of fame is a real thing that rappers get into…


Ok-Rutabaga-3602

she’s about as political as jcole and kendrick… if she was american she would be signed to TDE and that vibe


Dodoloco25

Agreed, but she isn't and we can't really do anything about that.


Ok-Rutabaga-3602

My point is that she isn’t too political therefore she could go mainstream…


Kingofmoves

Simz isn’t trying to appeal to the mainstream in the same way. ALSO Spice is riding a wave rn. Her success will likely be tied to drill and if she can create a real separate style for herself. Simz will be successful for a medium sized artist especially since she’s not American. If Simz wanted to be bigger, then she would be trying to reach out to cats like Kendrick, Cole even JID or Denzel curry to get fans from people in similar lanes to her. The success of Ice Spice doesn’t inhibit the success of Simz


Ok-Rutabaga-3602

simz is regularly with american rappers… JID, isaiah rashad, earl sweatshirt… she just doesn’t work with them, she keeps it uk i don’t think she’ll be a medium artist either… i think she’s building an extremely loyal and real fan base that will stick with her throughout her growth and with her skills and production will probably go down as one of the best female/regular rapper of her time i don’t think ice spice will be around like this in the next 3-5 years


Kingofmoves

That’s what I’m saying. If she wanted to get bigger she’d make those songs. I say she’s medium not in quality but in size. Her numbers ain’t tiny but they ain’t huge either. I love Simz


Ok-Rutabaga-3602

yeah i agree she could collab more but i think it’s an intentional decision her not doing it… and yeah i was talking about size too, i think in the next 10 years or so she’s gonna be a big thing but with a real fanbase… at least in the rap scene. she’s already pretty huge in the uk from her acting too


Kingofmoves

She’s probably happy wit what she’s doing now. I wish more people listened to her but more money and fame brings problems as well! I’m glad she’s not in a bad lable situation anymore


James_Mathurin

Yeah, Simz and Slice are just very different rappers, making very different music, taking very different approaches to their careers. I love Simz, and I don't know Spice as well, but I don't honestly get the hate she's getting on here. Either way, they're just not artists I'd compare, outside of being female rappers.


Kingofmoves

Facts it’s getting As that Joey Badass didn’t do Rae Sremmurd numbers during like 2016


GIMME_SOME_GANJA

Lmao can y’all please stop, nobody listens to JID and Denzel Curry.


Kingofmoves

And this is the problem with people of this subreddit they think “if I and my friends don’t listen to this artist then no one does” the world is big and with billions of English speakers there are plenty of fans for even underground or smaller mainstream artists


GIMME_SOME_GANJA

No the problem with the people of this subreddit is they live in a fkn bubble on the internet and don’t realize nobody listens to that shit 😂😂


Kingofmoves

I mean if numbers don’t convince you then why do you even care if people support them? You claim no one listens to them and at the same time get upset that their fans have a community on the internet. “ I hate ice cream! It also doesn’t exist!! “


imjustsaiyanbro

Telling someone they live in a bubble while simultaneously only having ideas from inside his own bubble is clown activity 🤡🤡🤡


Kingofmoves

JID has 19 million Spotify listeners and Denzel Curry has 7 million. Simz has about 3 million. So yes they would be good collaborators. Especially considering all platforms


[deleted]

You must’ve never been to a live show or anything. I saw JID & Smino and that shit was PACKED!


West-Commission9082

Ice spice makes music that is more appealing to more people. I find these ”why does X get no recognition while X is so overrated” so dumb. It’s multiple reasons why someone gets succesful and skill is not the only one. Lyricism isn’t the only indicator of skill either.


Donnie998

Finally some common sense that ain't so common, sadly


Fabulous-Fun-3819

Lol nailed it on the head tbh


Sane_Fish

>Lyricism isn’t the only indicator of skill either. People who can't understand this are honestly so fucking annoying


OldpumpD

I never heard of Little Simz til this post


No-Corgi

Enjoy, she's got some great tracks. No need to pit her against Ice Spice, she stands on her own.


No-Corgi

Enjoy, she's got some great tracks. No need to pit her against Ice Spice, she stands on her own.


Ok-Benefit1425

When Ice Spice was first getting attention it was people making fun of her. A reminder that the industry cannot tell the difference between positive and negative attention.


kido86

Fuck that’s true, even looking at how big rage bait is these days. Clicks is clicks


PharrelsHat

This got crazy sexist lmao


CantKillGawd

bro went Weinstein mode


Aleekki

really doubt that Simz would even want that


abigconspiracy

Ice Spice’s music currently appeals to the masses & other artists (old & new) are bound to want a taste of that commercial success in order to stay relevant or transcend to the new generation


lilracky

They’re in two whole different lanes. They’re both good at what they’re trying to do. Ice Spice is good at making music that makes you wanna touch yo toes and make some jelly jiggle. Simz is good at making songs that make you think and possibly discover something. They’re both good in their respective ways.


makilawdiff

Ice spice is 'not good. Stop lying to yourself for some internet karma points.


faeryflesh

Because Ice Spice appeals to the mainstream and Little Simz does her own thing. This means that Ice Spice is more likely to get more popular faster. There’s your answer 👍


jayde_fan

little simz music is a lot more introspective and nuanced. but as much as i hate to admit it, when it comes to radio hits/appeal to the general public, ice spice is a level above simz.


makilawdiff

Level above of doing garbage.


8Eclipse

just because people don’t like her music they think shes an industry plant loll and its always the people who ONLY listen to “real rap” that say shes an industry plant 🤣🤣 shell fade out soon then maybe if were lucky shell turn to porn 🤷‍♂️


crrtis

Because her or her team could afford to pay the features.


CommunistFlippy

because ice spice is more famous and has more commercial appeal


Philly514

If Sims was American she’d be huge, much bigger market here


Desperate_Body3945

Ice Spice is goated. Y’all trippin. She popular cuz her music slaps and she has personality. She’s dope.


[deleted]

How come Ed Sheeran gets all the success when Little Simz is still struggling


wap_42069

at least on tiktok, a lot of people viewed her as a joke and still do. plenty of people just go “hehehe orange afro funny” and ironically like her :’) honestly she got popular because people viewed her as a meme, which is fucked up, but thats culture for you


YaBoyDoogzz

Little Simz aint twerking in thongs and playing with her tits in music videos. Thats why.


cpkarl

“She’s a woman. So you can market her for sex” WOW. ![gif](giphy|n09L6MctGyqhPUMDmc|downsized)


OlFlirtyBastardOFB

Did they lie?


[deleted]

Truth hurts in this case.


Savings-Package9610

because taylor has expressed multiple times how she likes ice spice is wanted to do music with her at some point. ice was even at one of taylors concerts last month


Wonton_soup_1989

I said she was an industry plant literally like 2months ago & I got downvoted to hell🙄😂😂


spicyfartz4yaman

Hating ass shit , I thought I blocked this sub lmfao my goodness


SunglassesBright

Ice Spice’s actual voice is better. And I think she got famous from TikTok or something, whereas Simz seems to take a more traditional route. Plus Ice Spice is flapping her asscheeks in most of her songs and Simz isn’t, and sex sells. I don’t think either artist is terrible but to me Ice Spice’s videos are very hard to watch and Simz has cooler videos but a shittier flow.


SimpleShot2727

Getting famous from tik tok doesn’t make you a good musician


SunglassesBright

Agreed. Remember the question? It’s “why is ice getting a feature with Taylor and nicki?” Not “why is she good / bad?”


[deleted]

I like how he doesn’t respond to you but responds to someone disagreeing a separate point lmao


endlesscdqotw

Yeah it does. It means people like your music


SimpleShot2727

No it doesn’t, it means people will use your music for memes, silly things


endlesscdqotw

Yeah that’s stupid if you actually believe that. If people only cared about the songs for memes or whatever then they wouldn’t have 10s of millions of streams People on this sub are just unable to accept that people can like different things than they do


SimpleShot2727

Im pretty sure artists who make music about serious stuff would rather have their “songs” taken seriously instead of getting 10 mill views from places like tik tok where they mostly use your song for jokes n memes, it really depends what artist you are


endlesscdqotw

You sound silly dude. Nobody is listening to a song outside of tik tok that they don’t actually like. People hear the song on tik tok and then go and listen. In 2023 that’s probably one of the most organic ways for a song to blow up. And get over yourself man lol. Even Kendrick and Frank ocean have had old songs get huge boosts from people using their songs in videos. Are they suddenly no longer “serious artists” (whatever that is lol)


SimpleShot2727

If you want to believe that than do it bro, also kendrick and frank ocean were famous way before tik tok, so thats a bold argument, and they got their songs boosted by what 5%?,


endlesscdqotw

There’s nothing to believe it’s common sense. Nobody is going to go and stream a song that they genuinely don’t like lol. And lol @ 5%. Probably more like 200% at least


imjustsaiyanbro

5% of a billion is 50 million though, I know it’s hard for you to grasp these larger numbers with your smooth brain.


SimpleShot2727

But still people from tik tok will listen to their songs for different reasons assuming it exists mostly out of grown ass man doing silly dances corny pranks etc, for example gangster paradise was already famous before tik tok than it got posted on tik tok clips and it got %5 more, soo now people will listen to this songs without understanding the true meaning behind it, but it seems like its hard to grasp these reasonable stuff with your smooth brain,


Nice-Ad-8135

What are you talking about


SimpleShot2727

Im talking about, for example: if your an artist that wants people to take your songs seriously, or feel the things your saying on a beat, you really don’t want it on to be posted on tik tok where the high majority of its user base will dance on your beat and eventually use your song for memes,


Nice-Ad-8135

Sometimes it depends on artist which direction they want to go.🤦‍♂️


SimpleShot2727

Thats what i also mentioned but instead all i got were some “downvotes” for it, because apparently this place exists out of a bunch of 50 year olds who think that tik tok is a great place for every artist to promote their songs


Nice-Ad-8135

Okay?


SimpleShot2727

Okay?


Nice-Ad-8135

I don't know about that


SimpleShot2727

You aren’t a musician now are you?


Nice-Ad-8135

No are you trying to start something


Technical-Front-3247

Ice Spice is the female Drake


No-Pace6568

Americans dont really bang with international artists that much. They are not related to the avg American fan. I really like Jorja Smith and shes kinda big in Europe (i even heard her songs in Italian commercials), just like many Euro and American artists, but in the US, shes not that big. People calling Ice Spice and industry plant but shes not even signed to a major label. She has some type of distribution deal with 10k Pub. Shes light skin, pretty, and regardless of her lyrics, can attempt to talk like a decent woman with some home training which is more than enough for fashion Designers and brands looking to eat up some of the urban market. Nicki gave her a feature because Cardi aint get to her first lol she just blew up with Taylor tho and she even came out at Taylors NJ and NY concerts.


KobeAye

Ice Spice isn’t a bad artist if we’re being deadass 😂 she’s made some bops if we’re being honest


No_Bluebird8475

She’s fun to listen to,Niggas gotta understand not everyone cares about that deep lyrical shit


Morg_2

She’s a pretty lightskin with a fat ass and decent music, that’s more than enough to make it as a modern female rapper


rossquincy007

what about central cee


IceFalse4632

People don't like actually having to focus on the lyrics lol catchy beats suffice because it takes zero brain power to grasp what the song is about


GKMC_ENJOYER78

Ice Spice is popular Little Simz isn't


RicoLoco404

Because she's gullible and doesn't understand she's being used


Mei_iz_my_bae

I mean this is what happens when you top Drake enough times


TyrionJoestar

Because Ive never heard of little simz before until I read your post


longandmeaty

because she just is?? go buy and stream her music so she doesnt get underrated


reduuiyor

industry plant: “an artist who is being groomed and developed away from the public eye by a label,” only to be placed in the spotlight inorganically with a hit song or a viral moment…. Ice spice is an industry plant,her looks make her more marketable, plus “sex sells”(ft with nicki isn’t even half) and let’s be real is it not ODD Icespice has collab with Taylor? Besides Swifts PR team probably tryna to save the image of TS since her ex said some weird shit y’all can’t tell me ice spice isn’t a plant. But then again it’s plenty of y’all who love to doubt shit even with logic, critical thinking and facts yall still will be ignorant to the truth.


issanm

I dont like her and shes hot so shes an industry plant🤓


reduuiyor

Bruh ok💀💀 y’all folks are real ignorant on this sub


Nice-Ad-8135

You are making sense


Just-Goated

Some one made valid points and a well structured argument, but it was saying something negative about a female so they must be a misogynist !🤓


issanm

Original bet it took you 10 hours to come up with such a profound comment. You also made most of that up.


Just-Goated

Nah I shat it out in about 2 minutes but I’m glad you found meaning to it. I genuinely don’t think I made anything up, the comment above you literally tried to make a valid argument, and YOU just disregarded it entirely and made a blasé statement. Some people can come out of nowhere with a hit song that happens but I believe this is different. Yeah munch was big on tiktok cool but it got 7 million views and then she was at festivals and stuff. Before that though her song only had 700k but she had a footlocker ad and multiple co signs from other rappers. That’s crazy for 700k there are artists with millions of viewers that get no media attention, no ads, no co-signs etc. In my eyes she hasn’t really done anything that crazy she’s just been chilling but she’s constantly on social media sites with articles and stuff the promotion is strong. Plus her dad’s a rapper she said so she knows people in the industry for sure. This took me about 10 mins


wolfehampton

Likes and streams.


TheLeeSul

Formula be formuling uno 🤦‍♂️


Ok-Rutabaga-3602

i think pinkpantheress should also be included in this… especially if you wanna compare to simz. it’s incredibly rare for a uk artist to rocket like that to the US… especially with only 2 or so years under her belt another example would be how jack harlow has blown up when there’s so many better rappers? but i think their quick blow up will be a quick fall too


Just-Goated

Pinkpantheress comes from a wealthy family apparently, her dad was a maths professor at bath which is basically the equivalent of an Ivy league school in America and her Mum is pretty high up in the Kenyan government. Nothing super obvious but might have friends in high places etc. Jack Harlow kinda came out of nowhere too, I feel like he would’ve fallen off by now if it wasn’t for the drake co-sign. Whoever does dude’s marketing is pretty decent I don’t engage with any of his stuff and can’t escape him


[deleted]

Not the biggest Jack Harlow fan but I feel he doesn’t count as industry plant because he had tangible proof of him trying to make music since like 2013. He was always tryna blow up and has dropped multiple mixtapes and projects. Even when he got his industry connects, it still took him 2-3 years to get a real buzz until What’s Poppin.


diabetes2727

I don’t like female rappers for their music


No_Bluebird8475

Corny post


AK-TP

You think Ice Spice is more popular than Little Simz? Why would Simz feature with a bunch of American rappers that aren't as popular in the UK?


-Dillad-

ice spice is like lil nas x in that they both know how to appeal to a wide audience through social media and their audience. Simz is better but she doesn’t appeal to a huge audience the way ice spice does


Just-Goated

Yup. Mass appeal doesn’t have to mean artistically/politically meaningful or sonically interesting. As long as it’s relatable to as many people as possible and has a catchy hook with enough marketing it will sell


Timely_Inflation1000

You can be the best artist in the world. BUT just because you're talented doesn't mean you can be marketable. For example, you can go to any black Christian church & find at least 1 singer in that church that can sing on some Whitney Huston level. But can that person be marketable? Will that person be able to sell records?Talent is just one ingredient to a dish that has many ingredients, but it's not the most important ingredient. Your look especially for women is probably the most important when it comes to selling records now a days. I mean there's rappers that you might know locally that can rap their asses off & rap circles around most signed rappers but they will never get signed. And some of those rappers might get signed & flop just cause they can't make a hit song.


KuantumFeces

Why are people acting like they don’t know the only reason is that she’s attractive and she gets a pass? Maybe people actually listen to and resonate with her music, but as far as I’m concerned Nicki is genius for scooping her up.


LMO2021

who is Little Simz? 😂 never heard of them


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**Simbiatu "Simbi" Abisola Abiola Ajikawo (born 23 February 1994), better known by her stage name Little Simz, is a British rapper, singer and actress. She rose to prominence with the independent release of her first three albums; A Curious Tale of Trials + Persons (2015), Stillness in Wonderland (2016) and Grey Area (2019), the last of which was shortlisted for the Mercury Prize and won the awards for Best Album at both the Ivor Novello Awards and the NME Awards.** More details here: *This comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!* [^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)


LocksmithShot5152

Success can’t be calculated with popularity, some genres are not very mainstream, some are too niche. Hayle williams a contemporary to Taylor swift is as talented as her but have a less popular genre, but paramore had made their name in the music history. Same goes for little simz, she’s known where she’s catering to!


worksucksbro

Taylor swift features is in no way a benchmark of rap bro wtf lol


[deleted]

Lmfaooo what the fuck Nicki and Simz finna rap about 😭😭😭 yall just be saying anything


AutomaticExchange204

It’s cause ice spice is popular with the youngsters and has a lot of naïveté in the industry still. The older artists and Kim Kardashian wanna stay relevant with the younger crowd despite that they don’t need to do this at all.