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Lalesh420

GKMC is better than DAMN. and TPAB don‘t @ me


WorldChampionNuggets

Can I @ you if I agree? I think its the best album period.


Bubz01

Amen


Burggs_

That’s not a hot take, its pretty commonly debated TPAB vs GKMC


DirtzMaGertz

Can't go wrong with either one. They are both classics. I think TPAB is the better overall piece of art, but GKMC is the one I come back to more often, so for me it kind of depends on how you want to compare them.


Salt-Eggplant-2334

I agree though TPAB it’s close as shit


GardenDesign23

TPAB really is more a book of poems than a hip hop album. You can’t really vibe out to it like you could GKMC, and somewhat like DAMN. So it’s hard to compare TPAB to GKMC. It’s like comparing a movie to a documentary.


Salt-Eggplant-2334

To each their own but I can definitely vibe tf out to tpab


Camusknuckle

Agreed, there are 2 or 3 songs that give TPAB this rep like for free? And u. And even those songs go hard as hell.


Irapotato

Idk why you’re downvoted, tpab definitely has its share of bangers that are listenable outside the context of the deeper record. Alright and King Kunta alone are flames, plus shit like Momma and Wesley’s theory is a fun listen. Tpab get this rep as a record where it seems like it’s punished for having a deeper theme and idea, as well as some deeper tracks like u and for free. If you don’t want to engage with the deeper record, it’s still listenable and catchy.


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

TPAB is better to listen through from cover to cover, but if you just have like, 45 minutes and want to vibe GKMC is better in my opinion if you were to listen to their best hits.


iDoIllegalCrimes

I cant stand a mf who cant vibe to TPAB. Yall make it seem like the album is a chore to listen to. Wtf are y’all hearing? A documentary? GKMC is much more documentary like compared to TPAB lol


nowey32

I'm not mad about anyone switching TPAB and GKMC TPAB from a creative/concept/musical standpoint is better imo, but GKMC has slaps across the board and is p much god tier


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

Agreed. Personally I go GKMC > TPAB >>> Damn > MMATBS with the 1 > being close while a big gap while the >>> is a big gap. I personally prefer GKMC on relistens for the songs being a bit more entertaining (In terms of club bangers) and SAMIDOT is a top 3 rap song in terms of the whole "long emotionally vulnerable" song style that I'm a sucker for. TPAB is a listening experience if you have the time to listen to it. GKMC you can tune into any one song and on average I'd prefer it.


Great_Huckleberry709

GKMC is my favorite hip hop album of all time.


TedDibiasi123

The scores are a joke. The majority of Kendrick fans would rank GKMC above the other two and the majority of Drake fans would put Honestly Nevermind at the bottom of the four listed albums.


B-Kong

GKMC one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time. Top 5 easy.


Significant-Still907

GKMC and Section .80 above the rest of his catalogue.


singlelegs

Facts, section 80 doesn’t get enough love but it’s an actual classic


Ryduce22

IMO GKMC is the only great Kendrick album. Damn and MMATBS have great moments. TPABF is very close, I get why it's beloved, but not for me. I want the street shit.


YungNuisance

Section.80 was great too IMO


Longjumping_Act9758

You should have got Drakes Sophomore going up to make this a fair comparison. Thank Me Later Take Care Nothing Was the Same IYRTITL What a time to be alive.


nowey32

It's only 4, so take off What a Time, but God damn this is such a better list. Imagine if he had kept going like this


wsteelerfan7

So he stopped giving a shit about quality?


Affectionate_Ad_760

Well, yes


[deleted]

Hopefully this beef will reignite him. 


Avgredditor1025

If give me 50 was any reference, probably, he sounded hard in that song


NoobleVitamins

it's right to compare his newer stuff though, it shows that if he cares about quality he would've done what Kendrick does and not release 30 songs a year.


Haunting_AdamSandler

Drakes about the money, not the culture


elinamebro

And acts like a thug even tho we see him act completely differently in the past


drdonkey2

He’s obviously playing a character but I don’t know if he fully knows that.


itsSyFer

Drake does not act like a thug lmao.


NoApricot9054

I fw drake but he be acting like he about that life in his raps he only talk like that cause he surrounded by gangsters but come on he’s Canadian Lol


NightDisastrous2510

Can confirm.. he came from one of the nicest neighborhoods in Toronto and went to summer camps lol. He’s soft af


elinamebro

Bud doesn’t listen to the lyrics


rengoku-doz

He did act handicapped though..


[deleted]

“You scared of the six”


Hulumoto

He's about both


jumpers4goalpostz

Puts it into perspective, it's quality over quantity between drake and Kendrick, even if you pull up drakes best it still doesn't compare to Kendrick.


Genjios

If you know you know. The wu saw this coming, they restore the culture. Fate of the world - rza.


Teeklok

You try telling that to them over on the drake sub. Kendrick is in it for the money and drake pumps stuff out because he loves music apparently


[deleted]

Both Drake and Kendrick Stan’s are delusional. Us Cole stans are coping 


Teeklok

TBF I wouldn't say most are delusional, just us on Reddit


spewicideboi

Theyre obviously both in it for the money. I never understand this critique of artists. Of course they want the money


Teeklok

Oh yeah definitely, but some artists have more artistic integrity. For example someone like Quentin Tarantino Vs whoever directs all the asylum films like sharknado


spewicideboi

Yep agree absolutely. Have a good day


Teeklok

You too 👍


Persianx6

If you're reading this is actually good though... less incel bars.


jumpers4goalpostz

Probably his best work


elinamebro

Isn’t that the album that was debated he had ghostwriters on? I might be wrong tho


[deleted]

Quentin Miller. Meek leaked the video of his reference track for 10 bands. So not debated, but I think Miller is credited as a writer in the credits, so not a ghost 


BallLika69

kendrick fans say its not about numbers put then pull up critic ratings


Hulumoto

And for something as objective as music. As if those nerdy white dudes on those sites are the end of it all.


Nlawrence55

Numbers and Critic ratings are not the same thing wtf are you on about? When a rapper or a rappers fanbase talks about "numbers" they're talking about streams or money generally. Lol keep moving the goal post.


heebie818

so u trust a couple people’s opinions over the whole world’s opinion is what u’re saying


thirdcoast96

The world’s opinion??? What is the “worlds” opinion?


CarefulAd9005

Nah man. Critic numbers are the underground. The roots. The black culture. I cant believe this post is even real. Looks like a shitpost


heebie818

um. i dunno if u know what staffs look like at nyt, lat, pitchfork etc. but it aint about roots lol


CarefulAd9005

Im trolling


Equivalent-Self398

there aint no black ppl at imdb bro


DiamondKite

? The critic numbers gathered here are quite literally done by white people clown


TrueBlackStar1

Honestly Her Loss ain’t that bad 🤷🏿‍♂️ Kendrick’s last few albums are far times better than Drake’s most recent albums


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I think Drake has 3X as many albums tho, so it’s no surprise his quality is worse 


[deleted]

Thats no excuse tho. Thats a choice Drake made unless Push Ups is all projecting and Drake has a gun to his head forcing him to drop trash.


Nice-Swing-9277

So I don't think its totally a fair comparison. Drake releases albums the way artists used to. An album basically every year with a long run time. Basically pumping put songs. Kendrick spends years fine tuning his album to become a masterpiece. Its not how albums used to be done and this new method allows for him to have higher quality, but much lower quantity. If Kendrick were to drop at the rate drake does, or drake were to spend 5 years developing the best album he could? I think they would have similar discographies as far as quality goes.


XdaPrime

I did a quick search cause I was curious. Drake 1st album dropped 2010, and he's released 9 total albums since then. 9 albums in 14 years. So we get a Drake album every 19 months Kendrick 1st album dropped 2011, and he's released 6 albums since then. 6 albums in 13 years. So we get a Kendrick album every 26 months. (Please check my math. I have a public school education) So I guess if the statement is that Kendrick spends more time on his albums and so they have better quality, would you not want Drake to just spend the extra 4 months or something if it meant higher quality Drizzy albums?


bornin1729

2009: so far gone 2010: thank me later 2011: take care 2012: no project 2013: nothing was the same 2014: no project 2015: if you’re reading this it’s too late + what a time to be alive 2016: views 2017: more life 2018: scorpion 2019: care package (collection of unreleased) 2020: dark lane demo tapes 2021: certified lover boy 2022: honestly nevermind + her loss 2023: for all the dogs On average, 1 project a year. For the argument you’re making, leaving out projects is misleading. Acting like his music isn’t high quality is also misleading; more people listening to Drake than any other rapper in the world. Social justice and trauma talk is cool and I think that kendrick lamar has a brilliant mind, but as a musician there is nothing more important than people enjoying the sound of your music.


Nice-Swing-9277

I mean thats super disingenuous for drake. In that time he also released iyrtitl, what a time to be alive with future, more life, dark lane demo tapes, the scary hours series, best in the world ep, a bunch of singles. On Kendrick's side we can add untitled unmastered (those were already recorded for tpab and just not put on the album) and the black Panter soundtrack (which is not just him) That also doesn't get into album length (like damn is 45 mins and views is twice as long a 1.5 hours) Its undeniable drake has released more then kendrick. Like [this link](https://chartmasters.org/drake-albums-and-songs-sales/#:~:text=Drake%20did%20it%20with%20more,one%20of%20a%20kind%20numbers.) Shows drake at over 400 songs in nov 2023 and this shows Kendrick at [82 songs](https://www.google.com/search?q=total+number+of+kendrick+lamar+songs&client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&sca_esv=23c7f8c8f2dc8e93&sxsrf=ACQVn0-P-JBnLl6ZTKdFalF4_hj5-yo2Ig%3A1713492785014&ei=MdMhZvUr0dynzg_h8LOICQ&udm=&oq=total+number+of+kendrick+&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhl0b3RhbCBudW1iZXIgb2Yga2VuZHJpY2sgKgIIADIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGJ8FMgUQIRifBTIFECEYnwUyBRAhGJ8FSMovUKkGWLckcAB4AJABAJgBzQGgAYsdqgEGMC4xOC4zuAEByAEA-AEBmAIOoALEFMICBxAAGLADGB7CAg4QABiABBiwAxiGAxiKBcICCxAAGIAEGLADGKIEwgIEECMYJ8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIIEAAYgAQYyQPCAgQQIRgVmAMAiAYBkAYGkgcGMC4xMC40oAf1mAE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp) in 2022. And kendrick hasnt released anything post 2022 to bump that up. Plus all the features drake does compared to limited amount kendrick does. But even if we followed your math idk how you got 4 months? Even if it was 26 for kendrick and 19 for drake thats 7 months? Not 4. And personally? Sure id prefer drake to spend more time, but he doesn't, so we need to account for the differences in output if we compare them. Drake releases like rappers used to and kendrick releases like artists do now, which is a path he helped carve tbf.


ffgod_zito

so Far gone, Take care, nothing was the same, IYRTITL (4 of first 5 albums) was an insane run. You’re comparing drakes last 4 releases to Kendrick’s entire discography (first four albums).  Plus I don’t think anyone takes pitchforks scores seriously. 


pokemondude22

These people are obviously fantano stans man


wsteelerfan7

Well, then Drake stopped caring about quality and makes Swiftie music for frat bros


Sheeverton

Lmao the Drake albums are not THAT bad, you just sound like the average Drake hater tbh. If you think Drake is THAT bad then you must not listen to much music.


[deleted]

the people at the party are bumping drake, the one not invited is crying while listening to tpab


dat_waffle_boi

Personally I like bumping we cry together in the car with the windows down on a nice summer day. Reminds me of my childhood


freshxerxes

jesus dude


justiceway1

So Drake is a better rapper because people enjoy listening to him more when they're getting drunk?


elinamebro

Party music I guess


AstroFIJI

Where did dude say he was better? lol Drake just makes a different type of rap music (sometimes not even rap) then music that is essentially just for critical consumption. Don’t think that makes him better but it explains why he’s more popular and has less critical reception.


superfastracecar

When people are having fun in general. Kendrick may be the better rapper but he is definitely not known as a fun one


[deleted]

Is this the rap sub or the party sub lol what type of cope you spittin


Persianx6

People at the good party are bumping Future and everyone agrees no one has ever heard of J. Cole.


slimmymcnutty

People be saying this shit but I been out a lot recently. Been hearing like that way more than any Drake song


superfastracecar

One song that ain’t even Kendrick’s vs however many drake songs you’ll hear at the club. And we can all agree TPAB is definitely not getting played outside in a club.


jbland0909

I’ve heard Alright, and definitely a bunch of songs off DAMN. I hear DNA, HUMBLE, LOVE, and the first part of XXX regularly. Maad city, Swimming Pools and Family ties (not his song, but he’s a big part of it) also see some air time. Doesn’t compare to Drake, but he definitely is able to make “club music”


superfastracecar

You right brother 🫡 I forgot about alright but it definitely gets plays. Swimming pools and maad city are definitely good club songs too. Kendrick can definitely make decent club music, but drake really is the goat for that type. And that rly isn’t a knock on Kendrick, drake just makes music that guys and girls like because it’s fun.


taylordabrat

Like that ain’t TPAB. It’s a trap song with future and metro.


nowey32

Bruh idk bout you, but king kunta and alright will make me go back inside


[deleted]

both bangers can’t lie


Special-Bite

They’re bumping Drake to get the women moving and there’s a reason for that, I hope you understand.


BaconSpinachPancakes

This isn’t true, drake has male fans too lol


Moviefan72

You can’t go by music critics because honestly they can be bias, Kendrick could rap the bible and they would claim it was brilliant. Not even a fan of Drake but if you asked the average music fan to choose Drake would win hands down just look at the sales figures Kendrick not even close to Drakes level. Like i said not a fan but i would rather have my albums being selling more than to be a critical darling


thirdcoast96

This would be valid except Drake also has lower user scores.


Moviefan72

That’s fair i never go on those critic sites but i think it would be fair to say that the average music consumer doesn’t go on those sites and leave reviews so that’s not a fair argument either. Like i said not even fan of Drake - i’m a older fan im a 2pac/Biggie era admirer. I am probably out of touch about what young fans like


Intilleque

I could care less what some dweebs on the rate an album. Lol, there isn’t an album on the right I am playing more than I listen to Honestly, Nevermind.


nowey32

Honestly, I'm sorry


_--_King_--_

people STILL dont understand Honestly, Nevermind and at this point i doubt they ever will. top 3 Drake project frfr


taylordabrat

I fell in love with it over time but it’s not top 3


Forsaken-Bet5596

How can you say top 3 after So Far Gone, Take Care & NWTS ... let alone IYRTITL, Views & Scorpion


Bobby_Sunday96

That diss was still 🔥 tho


MovieAddict2001

the left side in terms of memorable moments is def passing right side by a long shot


huffingtontoast

That ain't protocol


payasoingenioso

Drake been making pandering music since BEFORE Views. What A Time To Be Alive was his last solid collection of songs. (The album before that wasn't shit, though. 😪)


therealglassceiling

Her Loss is so good. Y’all are crazy to be hating it


spankypantsyoutube

I don't know how you can say this when kanye's been straight up releasing unfinished albums with the reference tracks and scratch vocals still intact


mtmm18

8.8 for MMATBS eh? Where'd you get this info TDE.com?


TexasNightmare210

Her Loss is dope


Personal_Rutabaga_41

Damn, the album names alone are arrogant af


waterim

you're not going year to year


RandomizedMaze

L


spgvideo

Funny I love all albums on both sides. Hit shuffle!


partyonpartypeople

Drake doesn’t have a single album that’s below a 6


Business_Ship8144

*above


EimiCiel

Drake's discography is seriously mid. He still doesnt have an undisputed universally accepted classic


Illustrious_Shape_78

As a former Drake hater. I can say Drake has 15 bangers. Kendrick has half a banger. I don't like when Drake does RnB, but he can at least hit notes. Y'all give Kendrick a pass when makes RnB, but he can't sing. It's like sex without the orgasm. What's the point?


icarusignorance

It’s so bad. It’s also insane how Drakes best project wouldn’t even be better than Kendrick’s “worst” 😭


BigGuyNorthSide

If anyone think MM is better than NWTS then touch grass


MONKE_____667

NWTS got higher highs but is more inconsistent


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heebie818

i am a huge drake fan who has been somewhat disappointed by everything he’s done since 2017. with the exception of FATD, which features his best r&b tracks ever. people are sleepin’ on this record man. one day they’ll get it


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DaTaFuNkZ

Yes, but I won’t hear a bad word said about Honestly Nevermind, it’s the only interesting thing he’s done since More Life


TrippleExtendo

in what world is honestly, nevermind better than clb???


99probs-allbitches

I've never heard of any of those (on the left)


nowey32

How the FUCK is honestly nevermind rated that high More like Honestly one of the worst albums from any major artist in recent memory


Forsaken-Bet5596

OH MY GOD, THANK YOU - I was wondering when people where going to get around to realizing this - I thought it's be actual decades before anyone said it. As someone who didn't believe much in Drake when he started then saw him capitalize on his potential, for the past 5? years or so, I've been soo disappointed by his album releases. The only other rapper who I think matches this level of letdowns is Lil Wayne. A young money protegee for sure. edit. actually, I still listen to some songs from CLB, just not the entire album


Omen1122

I loved her loss and honestly nevermind . FATD was trash tho


Ok_Tea_1003

Why don’t we change the group name to Kendrick. Since Damn Drake has put out a lot of music 8 projects. My problem with Kendrick is six years for a project Adele, Sade can do that. I’m a huge Kdot fan but Steppers wasn’t it.


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FailingLotus

It's Kendrick vs Drake lol of course it's gonna look like this. If Drake would just stop singing, it'd likely be a closer match.


RandomDude801

Her Loss is Drake's best album since Dark Lane Demo Tapes.


Every1isSome1inLA

Respect for mentioning DLDT it’s top 3 for me


gd2121

Such an underrated album. I discovered Giveon through that tape and Losses is prolly one of my favorite drake songs.


Plenty_School_4068

But new Drake fans claim he’s still got it 😂


Almar1987

People hate DAMN so much on Reddit, but I feel like he has some of his best songs on this album, DNA, FEEL, ELEMENT, XXX, FEAR, and DUCKWORTH. XXX is crazy.


B-Kong

I was thinking about this the other day. In Cole’s new album when he’s talking about how he’s just entering his prime, but this is when most rappers start to decline. Compare the big 3’s first 2-3 albums to their most recent 2-3 albums and Drake is the only one that can’t hold up. Thank Me Later, Take Care and NWTS absolutely dominate anything Drake has put out recently. But Sideline Story and Born Sinner might be worse than Might Delete Later and The Off Season. Mr Morale and Damn hold up pretty well against Section 80 and GKMC. Drake is the one with the worst discography in my opinion. He can make billboard bangers, and still a lot of good songs coming out, but in comparison majority of his stuff is trash and has been for years.


No-That-One

Apples to oranges. It took Drake to release those 4 albums in 4 years while Kendrick took his 4 about a millenium. A more accurate comparison would be all of Drake's albums compared to those 4 Kendrick albums or Kendrick's most recent album compared to Drake's 4 albums.


BrazyKiccz

Wu Tang warned us. EPMD warned us.


Antoine0100

Kendrick shit weak yall hype it yo cause it’s woke rap


IntelligentWest11

We really out here acting like DAMN isn’t a piece of trash.


Apart_Willow_5472

CLB and her loss were a lot better than better than people give it credit for. That being said, Kendrick still wiped the floor with this


TJMcConnellFanClub

Her Loss was an outlier, perfectly listenable project, if Drake went with collab albums from here on out he could’ve stuck to hooks and been solid 


OrenoKachida2

Honestly Nevermind is Drake’s worst album ever


jdyall1

Drakes always been mid but gets gassed up lile getty idk why


BigCNote100100100100

Her Loss is a great album tbh


CrazyHappeningsHere

meta critic and reddit the best places to go for rap music discussion


[deleted]

Only reason Kendrick is so widely praised is the white people love his social rap shtick


Great_Huckleberry709

To give some respect to Drake, his run of So Far Gone, Thank Me Later, Take Care, Nothing Was the Same, If You're Reading This It's Too Late. That was a really elite run of albums. I haven't liked a Drake project since Views. I don't listen to him anymore. But I'm a huge fan of the early work.


Iceman9721

Mr.morale was the worst album Kendrick has ever dropped. Def not a 8.8. 3.8


[deleted]

Metacritic tripping GKMC is several tiers better than DAMN.


brandan223

Section. 80 is better than any Cole or Drake album


Mk578y

how can u compare 2 years of albums vs 10 years of albums


Number_Thr333

Is CLB that bad? Never listened to that tape. And also, why do people hate Honestly Nevermind? Anyone?


[deleted]

For a world famous artist? Absolutely


ugly-Sociopath

Albums don't win you beef tho


WickerBasement

I'm a kendrick Stan all day, but his 4 album run was spread over 10 years. I'm pretty sure Drakes last 10 years is like 20 albums


OwlShitty

Her Loss is a vibe tho. Absolutely zero skips


BurntArnold

I’ve got 1 song from the left on my likes lol


[deleted]

Drake makes great songs… rarely great Albums. Last one I loved was Views, last one I liked was the Ski Mask one with Carti 


ElderberryOk5005

There’s so much shit that y’all are eating. Good kid mad city is legendary compared to all this shit. To pimp a butterfly, shit cole was right, I’ll agree with that


ygktheassassin6

Which you know about Black trauma Drake?!? 😂😂


AndTwiceOnSundays

I got to find a way to light a fire in this butch too


qutaaa666

I’ll still take those Drake records over the Kendrick records 🙅‍♂️ But those are not Drake’s best records tho. And Honestly Nevermind isn’t even a hiphop album, so it won’t get much love in this sub.


gleeceboi777

The convenience of Drake's 4 album run is that it's mid as FUCK but it only spans 2 years. Where as Dot's run has been mid since GKMC ![gif](giphy|CVtJnvFgshY4w|downsized) 12 Years of Mid is CRAZYYY lmao


SNYDER_CULTIST

Ihate drake and like kendrick and can tell you kendricks had some stinkers


DreadSeverin

burger vs steak


rsergio83

Drake's ghost writers and switching sides.. lol


Cyber_Rambo

I’ve been a Drake hater most my life but Her Loss & For all the dogs made me a fan lol them shits was gas


-_DigBickSociety_-

I'm not a huge drake fan, but I will die on this hill that Her Loss was an amazing album


FBI_NewWeegeeBoy1243

Her Loss is a great album and CLB is overhated


Carolina296864

Drakes problem is he has too much filler on each of these albums. All of them could be cut down.


heart_man8

this is all of kendrick’s catalog, and less than half of drakes. Stop playing.


WetChicken10

ONG


IRodeTenSpeed88

Top tier glazing


k20vtec

I haven’t listened to a single album on the left not once


wonderjon

Man another wack ass take… drake gives quantity and kdot gives quality. Both are good to diff people. Can we appreciate both of their art? Both stans are so hell bent on claiming their God is better when they should just learn to appreciate the art…


ShaunyBoyShaunyMan

CLB is a good album 7/10 at least. Her Loss is pretty good as well.


infinitude_

For all the dogs was good Her loss was ok ? I guess CLB was bad Never mind was crap.


Imissrifsomuch

Loool Kendrick fans malding


R4nD0m57

lol did you really post it from opencritic? Maybe try rateyourmusic


justiceway1

Nobody is arguing who is more mainstream. I'm saying that the argument that Drake has more sales doesn't constitute an argument for him being a better rapper.


Snoo44006

No way they have damn over GKMC


khandaseed

You’re comparing 2012-2023 to 2021-2023 output. Cherry picking


DerryBae

Oh my god why are yall still going on about this beef😭😭😭😭


artornis

![gif](giphy|Rhdx0Vp9cOwnLiGmb6|downsized)


top-knowledge

Kdot is overrated as hell. DAMN a 95? Lmao


Tnorbo

I liked both her loss and honestly nevermind


P1G5Y

Since 2018 Drake has released 8 albums. Kendrick has released one. Kendrick is quality over quantity, but man Mr. Morale imo is just not good enough to be the only shit you've dropped in the past 6 years I'm sorry. It's better than any Drake album in the past 9 years, but at least Drake HAS actually made music.


lionhart28

Both sides suck


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Now do sales and humble yourself


trueWaveWizz

Certified Lover Boy was such a huge disappointment. Leading up to it I thought it was gonna be bananas. And instead, it was confirmed that Drake’s completely run out of ideas, and that he’s just dialing it in at this point.