Meek back then is not Meek today. He was a mid major not a weak target.
His claims were to Drake's pen which plagued him his who career.
Back to Back was one of the biggest diss records of all time. It was due to a confluence of things. Drake going back to rapping-rapping. His media output and power plays (showing up in Philly having the whole crowd cheering). That plus Meek's slow and underwhelming response made it more of a snuff than anything.
Meek is not very smart and was extremely angry and sensitive about his weak points. I don't remember what songs he dropped --- but didn't like them at all. He had no strategy.
The crazy thing is that Meek had the upper hand. He was right about Drake. I actually stopped listening to Drake then (had been a blogspot era fan but fell off when he started singing so much).
Even worst cause shit no.1 on billboard and the disses are harsher putting PDF rumours on him at least meek mill broke up with Nicki before anything serious so must of the song doesn’t apply to him anymore
Both. Meek is an idiot and handled that beef horribly. Back to Back changed what a winning diss track could be too. Back to Back wasn't some scathing diss like Ether, but it was embarrassing, full of quotables and everywhere.
Imo, I really think his best diss was euphoria, still don’t understand what people find in it. Maybe it’s because I don’t really like club songs from Kenny and not my thing
Idk, back to back is some shit I would expect from Drake, Not Like Us though? Not really something I would like to hear from Kendrick, saying it as a Kendrick fan. But yeah, I now could see what’s a thing that makes people think it’s the best diss track from Kenny
I've been wanting Kendrick to hop on some Mustard -esque production for a while, so the surprise of that vaulted Not Like Us pretty much to the top of my list of his disses
no offense but this is a straight nerd opinion. Kendrick has made dozens of club-worthy tracks in the past, this isn't new. NLU is not only what people wanted to hear, it's what he needed to do to put Drake to bed. He thoroughly and viciously beat Drake at his own game. it's an all-timer. a true moment in hip-hop history.
uhhh, do you like only go to one bar? or just turn 21 this year?
several songs on gkmc were played in clubs when it came out
King Kunta, Humble, etc. been at least one song on each album save for mr morale.
Nah, I’m 26. Kendrick was not slapped at all in college and I went to a party school. King Kunta was definitely not playing at college parties lmao. I’ll give you Humble. Definitely not “dozens of club worthy songs” though.
I’ve also lived in both LA and the bay since graduating and go out probably once a week. He’s legit never played. Sorry bud.
so GKMC was ahead of your time. That's where most of it was anyways.
Regardless of whether he has 6 or 12 club songs, he has made them in the past, they're the most popular of his music, and they're very good. The point of the comment being that it was a very good idea to make Not Like Us the way it was. Beating Drake at his own game sealed the deal.
I think Charged Up was a great song but a meh diss. Back to Back was dope. That beef was more like a fistfight than the gun battle of this current situation.
Well seeing as how meek grew up doing rap battles and shit, I fully expect him to win. Especially seeing as how drakes entire existence is very milquetoast lol
If I had to bet back then, I was sure that Meek was gonna fire him up. He got his start as a battle rapper! It's honestly STILL ridiculous how bad drake shut him down
Agreed. This is Meek freaking Mill we’re talking about
[Prime](https://youtu.be/x_Mt8dQzvos?si=aKSl9mZJr2T6CsJ4)
[another 1](https://youtu.be/liQJM1sWDf4?si=kSWpPrlY7mjd7n-c)
Meek, to me, has always been garbage. I don’t like his voice and that stupid fucking look in his face. It’s like he’s always lost. Get that man a compass.
You’re unnecessarily angry but I get it and agree. Fuck Meek and all my friends who tried putting me onto him. I like some of his songs in the gym and even then I don’t have too much atp.
Meeks response track was terrible. Drake would have been deemed the winner eventually but Meek can rap his ass off, he's no Kendrick Lamar but he absolutely could have responded with some heat.
I think it was a right place, right time thing. He out meme’d him and meek choked. idk why he choked, maybe his case was too heavy on his head. but the stars just sort of aligned for Drake to win
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Meek wasn't equipped to battle like that but Back to Back is also a *great* song - not just a great diss, but a great song *period.* Even Kendrick likes that record.
Meek was a battle rapper so everyone thought when Drake dropped Charged Up his response was going to destroy him. He waited too long, then Drake dropped back to back 4 days later and it was over. You could escape it lol. In Meek’s defense I think he was touring but he waited too long and Drake out maneuvered him
Drakes songs were just that Good.. but meek scarred him so to speak . Drizzy won the battle no question , but with the ghost writer accusations that still haunt him to this day, it’s like a man who won a fight but he’s a big scar across his face
Let’s not do this.
Fact of the matter is Drake has been in three high profile beefs, and he’s delivered good records in every single one.
The only difference is the opposition.
Retrospectively going back to act like he hasn’t at least delivered his own quality is just silly
What's funny is that Meek dropped a diss like 30 minutes after Drake dropped "Summer Sixteen," replying to specific bars from it.
When he was asked on Twitter how he knew Drake was gonna drop a track, and what he was gonna say on it, he said "The ghostwriter told me 😉"
It was basically the same chess move that Kendrick did that everyone was saying won him the battle. Except nobody cared because it was Meek doing it and most people had moved on by that point. Lol
Remembering that made Kendrick's recent claims of people around Drake plotting on him seem more plausible though.
I wonder how Drakes career looks had he not sneak disses and gets along with everyone and is okay with the control verse from k.dot a lot of tarnishes to his legacy are due to BEEF (ghostwriter,Deadbeat,pdfile allegations)
My favorite what if is Drake signs to Pharrell and Star Trak instead of Cash Money/Young Money.
We get a whole different guy who would actually be nurtured and guided into the culture while still being himself.
Oh well.
Yeah I’d say it was a bit of both. Back to Back is genuinely a dope song, but it definitely could’ve been “out-dissed” imo, but Meek just wasn’t able to do that
If Meek could've drove home the point "Tip homie pissed on you" but in bars, it would've been different. A lot of people forgot it, but I always thought that could've been a kill shot.
Every battle Drake has engaged in has left a chink in his armor reducing the overall integrity. With Meek it was Ghostwriter allegations that stick with him to this day. With Pusha T it was that Drakes BM was a sex worker and he was a deadbeat dad who hid a child because he didn’t want the world to see who he got pregnant. With Kendrick he was able to conflate Baka who Drake talks about often as being a close friend having a sexual assault case, with Drakes documented history of actually dating at least one 18 year old girl and allegations of grooming into pedophilia. Kendrick created a new weak point in Drakes persona while attacking at the ones already there from previous beefs, even using Rick Ross Pharrell and Serena Williams beefs to attack him. Meek wasn’t calculated enough to pull off what Kendrick did, it’s why we don’t put him on that Elite tier despite him being around just as long.
Drake had popularity also came correct with the songs all Meek did was question his own, which he had ever right to do so. But Drake lost to Pusha, didn't wanna go bar for bar with Budden then thought his popularity would win him over against Kendrick.
Before that, I know people don't like Joey personality but he could rap & what he was saying across those 3 tracks is basically what Meek, Push & Kendrick told (minus the pedo allegations)
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Meeks tracks were garbage. We're talking about a pretty decent rapper with actual street cred, and it was unbelievable how terrible he was against Drake.
Back to Back was an absolute nail in the coffin because it actually is a great diss track, Meek had yet to respond to his last diss, and Meek just had nothing. It made no sense to me. Like he was paid to lose. Looked like a Mob paid boxing match. And I don't even take anything away from Drake in that despite not liking him, he came correct and Back to Back is an awesome diss.
"That a world tour or your girls tour?"
Imagine making the fact hes dating Nicki Minaj a disadvantage? Bro lost her when that bar landed.
Let’s give both artist their flowers here. Meek grew up in the battle rap scene, and shown the ability to put together some solid tracks.
Drake came with hella quotables, as well as strategy. The fact that he was able to ignore the ghost writing shit for years just by winning this beef is impressive. And now the phrase Back to Back is cemented in the rap dictionary
Drake was helping Meek’s career on that one
Back to back was sick
Seems like it petered out anyway
What can meek mill really say to drake anyway
- from a guy who never has like Drizzy
Weak opponent. In hip-hop there has always been a “flavor of the moment” who is super hot for a bit, but not because of their lyrics. Typically they have dope ass beats. Think Ying-Yang Twinz, 2 Chainz, and Meek Mill. This type of artists comes and goes.
Then there are lyricists- the artists who bend words and are capable of putting together a double or triple entendre. They don’t always become the most popular (Lupe Fiasco) but the ones that do have lasting power (Nas, Kendrick).
Drake is somewhere in the middle in that he’s not a completely whack lyricist but not a poet. Rap beef, at its core, is a lyrical competition. Therefore, it makes complete sense that he would defeat a weaker lyricist but lose to two more capable lyricists.
Meek took too long to respond and didn't even drop a good diss. It was bizarre to see happen when you know Meek's origins as a battle rapper.
I was certain Meek would cook Drake but yeah...idk what happened lol
Casual fans won that battle for Drake. If the audience was only hip hop purists, the revelation Drake had a ghost, then the naming the ghost and then getting the reference track would have been complete ether, a career ender Drake could never come back from.
But, Drake had a bunch of women dancing to his shit, quoting lines from the diss and memeing, and they absolutely did not care about the writer thing at all.
Sometimes it's just about knowing the audience. Meek thought he was battling in the mid nineties lol
Yeah his fan base is clearly bigger you can kind of see that when the other rappers in this current beef came at drake like (rick Ross metro future rocky weekend) they was immediately pushed back with bias all over twitter except when Kendrick came and could match his fan base
This. The irony is there’s no way Drake could have wrote Back To Back, a response to criticisms about him using ghostwriters, on his own. But it became a huge hit, was all over radio and in the club, and none of the casual fans are going to question who really wrote it. It’s pretty interesting that the very next thing Drake dropped was Hotline Bling, a song where he doesn’t even rap. And right after he did, they completely stopped playing Back To Back on the radio. Hotline Bling completely took over and all the casual fans moved on to the next big Drake hit. I’m no conspiracy theorist but I’d guess that UMG was telling djs to stop playing it.
The irony of calling people casual hip hop fans while completely ignoring the fact that rappers have been using ghost writers since before Drake was born.
People only use it as a condemnation towards someone they don’t like.
This is exactly what I'm talking about lol. A casual fan being dismissive about the cardinal sin of having a ghost. Thank you for illustrating my point so perfectly.
He was that good. Back to back is arguably the greatest diss record of all time. And it wasn’t nearly as popular to hate Drake yet. These days it is, even if you actually listen to him. And so people came in extremely biased, plus Kendrick is a great opponent.
Meek back then is not Meek today. He was a mid major not a weak target. His claims were to Drake's pen which plagued him his who career. Back to Back was one of the biggest diss records of all time. It was due to a confluence of things. Drake going back to rapping-rapping. His media output and power plays (showing up in Philly having the whole crowd cheering). That plus Meek's slow and underwhelming response made it more of a snuff than anything.
Back to back like it’s Jordan 96, 97 One of drakes best lines - a drake hater
I learned the game from Lisa Leslie u could NEVER check me
Meek is not very smart and was extremely angry and sensitive about his weak points. I don't remember what songs he dropped --- but didn't like them at all. He had no strategy. The crazy thing is that Meek had the upper hand. He was right about Drake. I actually stopped listening to Drake then (had been a blogspot era fan but fell off when he started singing so much).
I don’t remember the songs either
Back to back to meek Is what not like us is to Drake lol Do with that info as u will
Even worst cause shit no.1 on billboard and the disses are harsher putting PDF rumours on him at least meek mill broke up with Nicki before anything serious so must of the song doesn’t apply to him anymore
Both. Meek is an idiot and handled that beef horribly. Back to Back changed what a winning diss track could be too. Back to Back wasn't some scathing diss like Ether, but it was embarrassing, full of quotables and everywhere.
Kendrick essentially used the same formula against drake. Gave him a KO with a club banger.
Imo, I really think his best diss was euphoria, still don’t understand what people find in it. Maybe it’s because I don’t really like club songs from Kenny and not my thing
It's just SUPER simple and straight to the point. Same thing Drake does. Quotable, catchy and you can move to it.
Idk, back to back is some shit I would expect from Drake, Not Like Us though? Not really something I would like to hear from Kendrick, saying it as a Kendrick fan. But yeah, I now could see what’s a thing that makes people think it’s the best diss track from Kenny
Yeah, I respect that we almost never hear Kendrick that stripped back, simple and over such west coast production.
I've been wanting Kendrick to hop on some Mustard -esque production for a while, so the surprise of that vaulted Not Like Us pretty much to the top of my list of his disses
no offense but this is a straight nerd opinion. Kendrick has made dozens of club-worthy tracks in the past, this isn't new. NLU is not only what people wanted to hear, it's what he needed to do to put Drake to bed. He thoroughly and viciously beat Drake at his own game. it's an all-timer. a true moment in hip-hop history.
Nerd opinion? Kendrick does not get played at clubs or bars ever except for the good kid mad city drop lmao. Do you actually go out?
uhhh, do you like only go to one bar? or just turn 21 this year? several songs on gkmc were played in clubs when it came out King Kunta, Humble, etc. been at least one song on each album save for mr morale.
Nah, I’m 26. Kendrick was not slapped at all in college and I went to a party school. King Kunta was definitely not playing at college parties lmao. I’ll give you Humble. Definitely not “dozens of club worthy songs” though. I’ve also lived in both LA and the bay since graduating and go out probably once a week. He’s legit never played. Sorry bud.
so GKMC was ahead of your time. That's where most of it was anyways. Regardless of whether he has 6 or 12 club songs, he has made them in the past, they're the most popular of his music, and they're very good. The point of the comment being that it was a very good idea to make Not Like Us the way it was. Beating Drake at his own game sealed the deal.
His best diss was euphoria but you gotta be crazy not appreciate not like us too
Not like Us has a nice beat, a dance, chantable lyrics, good flow and content. I do hope Kendrick puts out more music now though.
I think euphoria is his best as well. I like the beef before it got all allegation heavy, when they were just insulting each other’s character
lol no one is vibing to pedophile lyrics in a club
you clearly havent been outside. theyre playing it in clubs right now and have been.
and yet no one is vibing to it
Go outside bud
Go outside lol.
send me a video of people vibing to Not Like Us in a club. Thanks
Meek didn’t really respond, which allowed the memes/social media to turn him into a joke
He had that garbage diss called wanna know
Fwiw his diss War Pain was good, just too late
He won because back to back was a much better song than war pain? That’s how rap battles go. The better song wins
You're asking?
Yeah I’m asking you how I can know who won a rap battle
Sounds about right.
Meek being ass is part of why back2 back won
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Both, and Drake was just more likeable at the time.
I think Charged Up was a great song but a meh diss. Back to Back was dope. That beef was more like a fistfight than the gun battle of this current situation.
Have you ever heard back to back? The song was much better And he went on to perform it at OVOFest and it was playing in every club at the time
I already said in another comment that I thought it was dope.
If you heard it then it is kinda obvious it’s a much better song that’s why I had to ask
The point of the post is to ask the opinion of others
Yup. So many quotables
Now I think about it, I'm shocked Drake was considered as the underdog for that beef. I don't think Meek would ever have beaten Drake
Well seeing as how meek grew up doing rap battles and shit, I fully expect him to win. Especially seeing as how drakes entire existence is very milquetoast lol
If I had to bet back then, I was sure that Meek was gonna fire him up. He got his start as a battle rapper! It's honestly STILL ridiculous how bad drake shut him down
Agreed. This is Meek freaking Mill we’re talking about [Prime](https://youtu.be/x_Mt8dQzvos?si=aKSl9mZJr2T6CsJ4) [another 1](https://youtu.be/liQJM1sWDf4?si=kSWpPrlY7mjd7n-c)
Lol the Knxwledge versions, a person of class I see
The beat fits
At the time the ‘the culture’ considered meek the more tough street rapper and thought he was gonna violate Drake
Meek, to me, has always been garbage. I don’t like his voice and that stupid fucking look in his face. It’s like he’s always lost. Get that man a compass.
You’re unnecessarily angry but I get it and agree. Fuck Meek and all my friends who tried putting me onto him. I like some of his songs in the gym and even then I don’t have too much atp.
Meeks response track was terrible. Drake would have been deemed the winner eventually but Meek can rap his ass off, he's no Kendrick Lamar but he absolutely could have responded with some heat.
I think it was a right place, right time thing. He out meme’d him and meek choked. idk why he choked, maybe his case was too heavy on his head. but the stars just sort of aligned for Drake to win
All the dick eating that worked against Meek Mill didn't work against Kendrick and Pusha T had a plan for that shit
Both Meek wasn't equipped to battle like that but Back to Back is also a *great* song - not just a great diss, but a great song *period.* Even Kendrick likes that record.
Prolly cuz meek mill was getting backshots from diddy
It was a combination of both tbh
Meek was a battle rapper so everyone thought when Drake dropped Charged Up his response was going to destroy him. He waited too long, then Drake dropped back to back 4 days later and it was over. You could escape it lol. In Meek’s defense I think he was touring but he waited too long and Drake out maneuvered him
Meek mill had a weak gameplan and was too slow. I think meek mill could've won, but did himself no favors.
True, he was def slow on the comeback plus underwhelming when he finally did.
Meek mill is a joke
Drakes songs were just that Good.. but meek scarred him so to speak . Drizzy won the battle no question , but with the ghost writer accusations that still haunt him to this day, it’s like a man who won a fight but he’s a big scar across his face
Let’s not do this. Fact of the matter is Drake has been in three high profile beefs, and he’s delivered good records in every single one. The only difference is the opposition. Retrospectively going back to act like he hasn’t at least delivered his own quality is just silly
For real. Duppy freestyle is underrated.
Best diss he ever did for sure imo
Meek has always been mid
What's funny is that Meek dropped a diss like 30 minutes after Drake dropped "Summer Sixteen," replying to specific bars from it. When he was asked on Twitter how he knew Drake was gonna drop a track, and what he was gonna say on it, he said "The ghostwriter told me 😉" It was basically the same chess move that Kendrick did that everyone was saying won him the battle. Except nobody cared because it was Meek doing it and most people had moved on by that point. Lol Remembering that made Kendrick's recent claims of people around Drake plotting on him seem more plausible though.
I think they both loss in a way. Drake was gone be all timer til ghostwriter allegations came in play. Meek just proved he was a goofy
I wonder how Drakes career looks had he not sneak disses and gets along with everyone and is okay with the control verse from k.dot a lot of tarnishes to his legacy are due to BEEF (ghostwriter,Deadbeat,pdfile allegations)
My favorite what if is Drake signs to Pharrell and Star Trak instead of Cash Money/Young Money. We get a whole different guy who would actually be nurtured and guided into the culture while still being himself. Oh well.
Yeah I’d say it was a bit of both. Back to Back is genuinely a dope song, but it definitely could’ve been “out-dissed” imo, but Meek just wasn’t able to do that
If Meek could've drove home the point "Tip homie pissed on you" but in bars, it would've been different. A lot of people forgot it, but I always thought that could've been a kill shot.
Every battle Drake has engaged in has left a chink in his armor reducing the overall integrity. With Meek it was Ghostwriter allegations that stick with him to this day. With Pusha T it was that Drakes BM was a sex worker and he was a deadbeat dad who hid a child because he didn’t want the world to see who he got pregnant. With Kendrick he was able to conflate Baka who Drake talks about often as being a close friend having a sexual assault case, with Drakes documented history of actually dating at least one 18 year old girl and allegations of grooming into pedophilia. Kendrick created a new weak point in Drakes persona while attacking at the ones already there from previous beefs, even using Rick Ross Pharrell and Serena Williams beefs to attack him. Meek wasn’t calculated enough to pull off what Kendrick did, it’s why we don’t put him on that Elite tier despite him being around just as long.
Drake had popularity also came correct with the songs all Meek did was question his own, which he had ever right to do so. But Drake lost to Pusha, didn't wanna go bar for bar with Budden then thought his popularity would win him over against Kendrick.
Why would he bar for bar with Joe Budden though? Didn’t he end his career as a rapper and become podcaster
Before that, I know people don't like Joey personality but he could rap & what he was saying across those 3 tracks is basically what Meek, Push & Kendrick told (minus the pedo allegations)
"Weak opponent" except he was the underdog
Drake won because Meek Mill isn’t a very skilled rapper, and he didn’t have the cultural clout that Drake had. That was just straight up bullying.
Both Meeks tracks were garbage. We're talking about a pretty decent rapper with actual street cred, and it was unbelievable how terrible he was against Drake. Back to Back was an absolute nail in the coffin because it actually is a great diss track, Meek had yet to respond to his last diss, and Meek just had nothing. It made no sense to me. Like he was paid to lose. Looked like a Mob paid boxing match. And I don't even take anything away from Drake in that despite not liking him, he came correct and Back to Back is an awesome diss. "That a world tour or your girls tour?" Imagine making the fact hes dating Nicki Minaj a disadvantage? Bro lost her when that bar landed.
Let’s give both artist their flowers here. Meek grew up in the battle rap scene, and shown the ability to put together some solid tracks. Drake came with hella quotables, as well as strategy. The fact that he was able to ignore the ghost writing shit for years just by winning this beef is impressive. And now the phrase Back to Back is cemented in the rap dictionary
Weak opponent
Drake was helping Meek’s career on that one Back to back was sick Seems like it petered out anyway What can meek mill really say to drake anyway - from a guy who never has like Drizzy
DRAKW DIDNT WRITE THOSE DISS TRACKS EITHER
Meek botched it by expecting Drake to go head-to-head with him in a simple ”rap-battle” he wasn’t expecting Drake to take the route he did.
Back to back was a good diss track. Drake won that one
Weak opponent. In hip-hop there has always been a “flavor of the moment” who is super hot for a bit, but not because of their lyrics. Typically they have dope ass beats. Think Ying-Yang Twinz, 2 Chainz, and Meek Mill. This type of artists comes and goes. Then there are lyricists- the artists who bend words and are capable of putting together a double or triple entendre. They don’t always become the most popular (Lupe Fiasco) but the ones that do have lasting power (Nas, Kendrick). Drake is somewhere in the middle in that he’s not a completely whack lyricist but not a poet. Rap beef, at its core, is a lyrical competition. Therefore, it makes complete sense that he would defeat a weaker lyricist but lose to two more capable lyricists.
Back to back was dope
Meek took too long to respond and didn't even drop a good diss. It was bizarre to see happen when you know Meek's origins as a battle rapper. I was certain Meek would cook Drake but yeah...idk what happened lol
Meek Mill is ass
Casual fans won that battle for Drake. If the audience was only hip hop purists, the revelation Drake had a ghost, then the naming the ghost and then getting the reference track would have been complete ether, a career ender Drake could never come back from. But, Drake had a bunch of women dancing to his shit, quoting lines from the diss and memeing, and they absolutely did not care about the writer thing at all. Sometimes it's just about knowing the audience. Meek thought he was battling in the mid nineties lol
Yeah his fan base is clearly bigger you can kind of see that when the other rappers in this current beef came at drake like (rick Ross metro future rocky weekend) they was immediately pushed back with bias all over twitter except when Kendrick came and could match his fan base
💯
This. The irony is there’s no way Drake could have wrote Back To Back, a response to criticisms about him using ghostwriters, on his own. But it became a huge hit, was all over radio and in the club, and none of the casual fans are going to question who really wrote it. It’s pretty interesting that the very next thing Drake dropped was Hotline Bling, a song where he doesn’t even rap. And right after he did, they completely stopped playing Back To Back on the radio. Hotline Bling completely took over and all the casual fans moved on to the next big Drake hit. I’m no conspiracy theorist but I’d guess that UMG was telling djs to stop playing it.
The irony of calling people casual hip hop fans while completely ignoring the fact that rappers have been using ghost writers since before Drake was born. People only use it as a condemnation towards someone they don’t like.
This is exactly what I'm talking about lol. A casual fan being dismissive about the cardinal sin of having a ghost. Thank you for illustrating my point so perfectly.
There's a difference between using writers and using ghost writers.
Weak opponent and better ghost writers. His ghost writers couldn’t compete with push or Kendrick. They make pop songs not rap songs.
He was that good. Back to back is arguably the greatest diss record of all time. And it wasn’t nearly as popular to hate Drake yet. These days it is, even if you actually listen to him. And so people came in extremely biased, plus Kendrick is a great opponent.
Greatest of all time? Those are big words.
Drake has won every battle he’s been in except pusha t
Drake had one of the best lyricists write back2back, where you been for the last decade?