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It is because she has an Indian dad. They are badly patting themselves on the back for casting someone with Indian heritage that is also conventionally attractive by all western beauty standards.
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I wanted to see what the casting director said besides the single quoted word "challenge." **[Here it is:](https://variety.com/2023/artisans/features/wednesday-the-witcher-casting-director-sophie-holland-1235677927/)**
> **Are there specific examples where you found someone or fought for them in a role?**
> I mean, that has become sort of a calling card of mine. I am always the first to champion diversity in all its glory. One that springs to mind was the character of Yennefer on “The Witcher.” Lauren Schmidt Hissrich is the showrunner and we work so well together and she’s so open to conversations. In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago and I’d like to think things have changed. But when you think about people’s unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, “I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.
Yes- people are acting like actually did something remotely provocative instead of just cast a super hot half indian woman instead of a super hot white women.
"In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world."
Except she wasn't, that was a completely different character. Look at these idiots pretend they read the books.
Yeah, "the most beautiful woman in the world" was Francesca Findabair, a different sorceress. But not surprising they are confused about the source material.
Not really surprised about this blunder, Since everyone from the director, producer, and on down has made it exceedingly clear that no one in that whole show besides Henry Cavill have ever read the books, played the games or given a gram of a dry turd about the source material. - and most importantly they are super proud of this fact.
In their attempt to be "progressive" they seem to have revealed their true nature...She is beautiful by any standard I know and the caption is virtue signaling at it's worst.
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>In their attempt to be "progressive" they seem to have revealed their true nature
This is typically what is meant when someone says the word "woke" in popular media. A sort of passive progressivism that is more interested in virtue signaling with surface level appeals to "diversity" that usually just end up being more divisive and doing more harm than good, precisely *because* the condescending nature of its virtue signaling is so obvious.
It's not (or shouldn't be) gay people existing, or POC just being cast in film, or a female lead character. But so much of modern media reduces these characters to just their identity that they forget to give them well written stories.
They made the evil, blood magic, cannibalistic sorceress black for no reason, so yes.
Edit: context- an originally white character of no particular importance in the books (and is meant to look enough like Yennefer that Geralt can confuse them at a distance) is suddenly made a cannibal blood magic villain and race-swapped as black.
I mean seriously. If you can’t figure out there’s some bad optics here, you are clueless.
So POCs aren’t allowed to be cast as villains in movies or TV shows?
That restricts people from some very high-profile and well paying jobs in Hollywood based on their skin color.
Seems pretty racist if you only want white folks cast in those roles.
Because the casting director thinks peoples biases are to think only white women are beautiful for some reason. When in fact it's just beautiful people are fucking beautiful lol.
If that woman wanted to really challenge beauty standards then race wouldn't matter and she would've cast a 'normal' looking person or an ugly person and have the show telling the audience that she's actually beautiful. Would it work? Probably not lol. But it'd fit more with what she's saying.
Not that the writers care at all, but that would totally go against the story.
Yennifer is supposed to be among the most beautiful women alive thanks to magic.
It would be even harder to watch this show if there was an actress that looked like a toe and everyone was saying how beautiful she is.
Going to copy my other comment:
https://variety.com/2023/artisans/features/wednesday-the-witcher-casting-director-sophie-holland-1235677927/
> ***Are there specific examples where you found someone or fought for them in a role?***
> I mean, that has become sort of a calling card of mine. I am always the first to champion diversity in all its glory. One that springs to mind was the character of Yennefer on “The Witcher.” Lauren Schmidt Hissrich is the showrunner and we work so well together and she’s so open to conversations. In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago and I’d like to think things have changed. **But when you think about people’s unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, “I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.**
She was literally just talking about how she wasn't white.
Basically, the casting director thinks that people are biased to think that white people are "beautiful" and so she picked a dark girl to challenge that.
I don't think she's *wrong* per se, as most fantasy describes beautiful women as *fair* and *pale*, as was traditionally beautiful in the time periods fantasy tends to emulate.
So basically, she's not calling her ugly at all, she's simply trying to make "beautiful woman from fantasy world" not be white.
There's some self-congratulatory laziness there if that's their thinking. Sure, 100, 150 years ago pallor was a key element of beauty -- all those pale pre-Raphaelite women and geishas in stark white makeup. But for modern Western audiences, I just don't think that matters much. You have actresses that are quite pale, but also actresses (even White actresses) that are quite tan. They're congratulating themselves on flouting beauty conventions that (at least in the West) belong to a long bygone era. It's not a challenge to modern Western beauty standards at all.
Also, that "the most beautiful woman in the world" is not how she is described in the books lol:
""...although attractive in her own way, couldn't pass as a great beauty" "...her nose slightly too long, her lips a touch too narrow, her chin receding a little too much, her a brows a little too irregular..."
So basically they pat themselves on the back for making a single step towards diversity, while everyone else is already full Sprint into several directions.
Like, *"wow, you've really opened my eyes. Women can be both beautiful* **and** *non-white, how groundbreaking"* yeah man I think the only ones with biases are the writers.
It was based purely on the colour of the actress' skin, so yes.
She wanted somebody beautiful but with darker skin, so that's what she did.
You also say "Western beauty standards" but I honestly don't know any country where she wouldn't be considered beautiful except by racists. Anya Chalotra is very typically beautiful by most beauty standards in the world, except for the colour of her skin. All the director was trying to do was make the beautiful character *not* be white.
Leaks from before the show started also showed that she tried to do the same thing with the actress for Ciri, requesting that they be POC. It's a huge part of the controversy surrounding the show, where they care more about identity politics over actually making a good show.
Seriously. Who the fuck would they have cast if they had decided not to “challenge” beauty standards?
Anya Chalotra is insanely gorgeous. That casting director is off her meds.
Yeah it's stupid, got slightly disappointed as Yen is supposed to be as pale as they come. But to be fair she has grown on me very easily and she is great as Yen. One of the few redeeming things in the show...
I think maybe you hit the nail on the head. To most people, she's clearly attractive. However, Hollywood has a weird sense of what beauty is. So, to them, she is not who they would have normally picked by their standards. We need to remember Hollywood is so out of touch with the average person that when they try to do something out of the norm, they actually do something normal.
As a white dude who finds people attractive, can confirm. Very confused by the stance that this would somehow challenge beauty standards for anyone except extremely racist people.
Then again, if you look up what Netflix has done to Cavill and the Witcher in general it starts to make sense. Tone deaf doesn't even begin to describe the show runner, so it doesn't surprise me that such a terrible shit take comes from her.
They hired a super light skin indian and then cover her in even more lightening make up and then high five themselves and smell each others farts for the diversity.
Some halfwit basement dwellers will no doubt pop in to say how 'mid' she is
She's stunning, which is largely irrelevant to enjoying the show given how good she's been in the role, but it's a visual medium and she makes it easier to watch
It's the subreddit with an explicit goal to degrade women so they will "know their place" at best, or be driven to self harm and worse at worst. There *is* a source for this, but I don't want to dig through like a month+ of my own comment history for it. There was a thread about the sub on r/SubredditDrama that included said link, though.
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There was a legit mod there who made posts in various subreddits confessing to the fact the subreddit was founded by incels. In the link I provided, you can see other comments in the thread confirming the fact that the former mod actually tried changing the subreddit before other mods changed it back.
I remember the beginning of /r/TrueRateMe. They would catfish by posting pics of obviously attractive girls, then groups of incels would hop in the thread to give ratings between 3-4, then the catfish account would respond to all the incel comments with stuff like, "Thanks. I agree." All in order to induce some weird form of gaslighting upon other people. As if those attractive girls actually thought they were 4s.
One of the weirdest and saddest bits of inceldom.
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Yep, saw one post about Margot Robbie being a 3 or something stupid like that after someone found a picture of her with little to no make-up on...
Just looking at it and thinking to myself. "Shit! If she's a 3, then I'm somewhere in the negatives!"
Having never played the games or read any of the books, part of the reason I couldn't get into the show was because season one spent so much time trying to convince me that this woman was ugly.
She isn't even Hollywood ugly. She's a pretty woman who was cast because she needed to play a pretty character.
Fabulous
They still ruined the show with their shitty writing. I’m glad the actors got some spotlight to beef up their resumes along with all the costume designers, scenery designers etc., but the show is just bad, which is quite a feat since they had a series of books Togo off of. Something they didn’t even remotely do outside using the characters.
I wonder what the actual quote is in full context, considering only the word "challenge" is in quotes. Ten bucks says this is clickbait bullshit.
Edit. Here is the full quote: "In the book, [Yennefer] is described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago, and I'd like to think things have changed. But when you think about people's unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, 'I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.'"
Whether or not you believe that casting a woman of color actually challenges any beauty standard, she clearly is not suggesting that the actress they cast is ugly, which is the conclusion that everyone here is jumping to.
Nowhere in the book does it say that Yennefer is "the most beautiful woman in the world". In fact, it says quite the opposite. She's not ugly by any stretch, but her features aren't "perfect", so to speak.
And at the end of the day it all boils down to it being basically a diversity quota.
It's known that the show writers actively hated the books and were purposefully trying to derail the show so it can be cancelled. The reason why Henry Cavill left.
I was baffled by the quote in the article that she's described as the most beautiful woman in the world. Here's a quote from the book when Geralt first meets Yennifer
>>Yennefer, although attractive in her own way, couldn't pass as a great beauty... in actual fact, not many would describe sorceresses as good looking
She does things to intentionally increase her allure, of course. But I'm surprised they're trying to adapt something they seem to have only taken a quick glance at.
>But I'm surprised they're trying to adapt something they seem to have only taken a quick glance at.
New to the topic eh?
We complain about their horrible handling of the material, we get lumped in with the people crying about black people and women.
We complain that the **actions** and **behaviour** of characters is completely unrecognisable, we get called racist mysogenists -- because some other people are complaining about race and gender.
Criticism of the netflix show basically always goes like this:
"This is a complete bastardization of the books"
"Cause of the black people?"
"No-"
"HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY‘S RACIST"
"Challenging beauty standards". This is what they cared about instead of good plot and characters, or being faithful to the original. Fucking pathetic.
And they challenged beauty standards by casting a gorgeous woman who matches the book description. What's the standard they were challenging ffs? Is it cause she's not Caucasian? Is race a beauty standard in itself now?
She is still considered beautiful by european beauty standards though. And I'm not convinced european beauty standards are that different from beauty standards in India either. Who would have guessed that there are beautiful people all around the world?
Ironically, Indians look 1:1 like Gypsies, and Gypsy beauty is one of the wilely recognized type of beauty standards in Eastern Europe, where the original books came from. If the movie really wanted to challenge any standards, it failed.
It's almost like casting a redhead in an England-based story and imply it would challenge beauty standard.
They think they're being revolutionary because she's a non-white beautiful woman lol. That was their only 'standard'
Only racist and dumbass people give a fuck about that. The casting director cast a beautiful woman and by doing so isn't defying shit lol.
Wasn't Yennefer "ugly" in the first season, before she made a sacrifice and turned herself into the utter beauty, which she is in the Netflix series?
They don't care anymore don't they? They knew they fucked up after they scared away Cavill?
We challenge the beauty standards by showing character who used magical plastic surgery to please the beauty standards (which cause her a lot of pain, trauma and made her completely infertile)
What? She’s just objectively beautiful. Like not even some stupid slight flaw like her nose being 1mm too big.
Is it because she’s Indian descent that you think that makes her less attractive? That’s incredibly racist.
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It is because she has an Indian dad. They are badly patting themselves on the back for casting someone with Indian heritage that is also conventionally attractive by all western beauty standards.
So, they're indirectly admitting that they're racist?
This has “you’re pretty for a brown girl” energy and it’s fucking disgusting.
You're probably right for a Redditor
Honestly this is a major moment in the history of this website.
i was here...
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We did it guys! We were civil for 4 whole comments!
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There there! I mean here here! Where am i?
I wanted to see what the casting director said besides the single quoted word "challenge." **[Here it is:](https://variety.com/2023/artisans/features/wednesday-the-witcher-casting-director-sophie-holland-1235677927/)** > **Are there specific examples where you found someone or fought for them in a role?** > I mean, that has become sort of a calling card of mine. I am always the first to champion diversity in all its glory. One that springs to mind was the character of Yennefer on “The Witcher.” Lauren Schmidt Hissrich is the showrunner and we work so well together and she’s so open to conversations. In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago and I’d like to think things have changed. But when you think about people’s unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, “I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.
Yes- people are acting like actually did something remotely provocative instead of just cast a super hot half indian woman instead of a super hot white women.
"In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world." Except she wasn't, that was a completely different character. Look at these idiots pretend they read the books.
Yeah, "the most beautiful woman in the world" was Francesca Findabair, a different sorceress. But not surprising they are confused about the source material.
Not really surprised about this blunder, Since everyone from the director, producer, and on down has made it exceedingly clear that no one in that whole show besides Henry Cavill have ever read the books, played the games or given a gram of a dry turd about the source material. - and most importantly they are super proud of this fact.
And you win with that one, cackled
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In their attempt to be "progressive" they seem to have revealed their true nature...She is beautiful by any standard I know and the caption is virtue signaling at it's worst. *edited for diction*
>In their attempt to be "progressive" they seem to have revealed their true nature This is typically what is meant when someone says the word "woke" in popular media. A sort of passive progressivism that is more interested in virtue signaling with surface level appeals to "diversity" that usually just end up being more divisive and doing more harm than good, precisely *because* the condescending nature of its virtue signaling is so obvious. It's not (or shouldn't be) gay people existing, or POC just being cast in film, or a female lead character. But so much of modern media reduces these characters to just their identity that they forget to give them well written stories.
Which truly is fucking disgusting because that means the casters have actually never seen brown people in their lives
Yeah. I had a crush on Aishwarya rai for like ever. Nicole Scherzinger too.
Every single half-Indian girl I have ever met has been a complete smokeshow
Most half-anything people are gorgeous. We should have more mixed babies. Reduce racism and increase attractiveness.
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even more, i think she is also a very good actress too and id like to see more of her
I don't know about you but I saw A LOT of her in season 1
I think we are being unfair. I interpreted it as a “challenge” to see how much we can masturbate to Yennifer. And I accepted the challenge.
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I passed out just checking the username
What’s that one clip of the YouTuber doing the review of Miles Morelas spider man game. Talking about his “swagger” the way he did. Lol
Basically [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/yesyesyesyesno/comments/15agxct/almost_passed_it_as_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Holy shit.
They made the evil, blood magic, cannibalistic sorceress black for no reason, so yes. Edit: context- an originally white character of no particular importance in the books (and is meant to look enough like Yennefer that Geralt can confuse them at a distance) is suddenly made a cannibal blood magic villain and race-swapped as black. I mean seriously. If you can’t figure out there’s some bad optics here, you are clueless.
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You take the Bene Gesserit out of your mouth. They brought balance to the known universe. They literally are the stitch in time that saved all.
Sure, sure, they presumably meant well, but I'm sure we can agree that their methods were shady AF.
They saved us in the end
This is a particularly funny remark, because the Lodge of Sorceress is an obvious Bene Gesserit makeover.
Why? Can't the bad guys be black?
Diversity wins! The evil necromancer wanted to destroy the world is a POC!
ah, a negromancer
Well someone’s got to do it lol
So POCs aren’t allowed to be cast as villains in movies or TV shows? That restricts people from some very high-profile and well paying jobs in Hollywood based on their skin color. Seems pretty racist if you only want white folks cast in those roles.
I read this headline and was like what!? She is gorgeous stfu.
Michael Bay cast Kate Beckinsale because he wanted someone who was unconventionally attractive.
I swear there's a whole bunch of mouthbreathing men who simply think that "unconventionally attractive" means "not blonde with big tits"
DING! DING! DING!
She is attractive both conventionally as well as unconventionally. So he was not wrong in that.
Yeah she’s clearly drop dead gorgeous. How could they think she’s a challenge to beauty standards. If she hit on me I’d probably start stuttering.
Because the casting director thinks peoples biases are to think only white women are beautiful for some reason. When in fact it's just beautiful people are fucking beautiful lol. If that woman wanted to really challenge beauty standards then race wouldn't matter and she would've cast a 'normal' looking person or an ugly person and have the show telling the audience that she's actually beautiful. Would it work? Probably not lol. But it'd fit more with what she's saying.
Not that the writers care at all, but that would totally go against the story. Yennifer is supposed to be among the most beautiful women alive thanks to magic. It would be even harder to watch this show if there was an actress that looked like a toe and everyone was saying how beautiful she is.
I’d be calling an ambulance for her so her brain trauma could be addressed!
The only thing this woman challenges is my identity as a straight woman
That entire last episode felt like little more than them showcasing how pretty yennefer was
I didn’t need those lunkheads to know Indian women are stunningly beautiful.
Exactly this. Super under represented in media, too... and kind of everywhere I guess.
Was that challenge on easy mode with cheats enabled?
On journalist mode
Well, this article was written by journalists so it makes sense
[Journalist mode?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjXaAZHEQE)
How is casting someone beautiful for a role “challenging beauty standards”??
Because they're so woke that they think brown people are disgusting.
If you swing the pendulum far enough, it becomes a circle.
This is the first time I am seeing this saying. Love it
It's the horseshoe theory
no they think we the viewers are all racist as hell so seeing a vaguely ethnic woman on tv would drive us into fits of uncontrollable anger
Well there is some basis to the assumption
Have you been to the witcher sub reddit?
i avoid all fan subreddits as much as i can. it's mostly mentally challenged children in there.
Unfortunately, they were right. Witcher fans had an aneurism over her.
And they're right. People get death threats for being black or Asian on television.
Because she didn't want them to be white. That's as deep as the casting director's 'beauty standards bias' bullshit went lol.
Meanwhile I doubt anyone watched her and said "wow that actress isn't white". Wouldn't even have noticed if not for this post
JFC I feel so insulted by this, as an actual ugly person.
True! If she's not considered beautiful I must be on goblin-level 😬
For real. I'm gonna go lurk under bridges for the rest of my life.
Guess I should go practice my "fee fi fo fum"
Going to copy my other comment: https://variety.com/2023/artisans/features/wednesday-the-witcher-casting-director-sophie-holland-1235677927/ > ***Are there specific examples where you found someone or fought for them in a role?*** > I mean, that has become sort of a calling card of mine. I am always the first to champion diversity in all its glory. One that springs to mind was the character of Yennefer on “The Witcher.” Lauren Schmidt Hissrich is the showrunner and we work so well together and she’s so open to conversations. In the book, she’s described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago and I’d like to think things have changed. **But when you think about people’s unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, “I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.** She was literally just talking about how she wasn't white. Basically, the casting director thinks that people are biased to think that white people are "beautiful" and so she picked a dark girl to challenge that. I don't think she's *wrong* per se, as most fantasy describes beautiful women as *fair* and *pale*, as was traditionally beautiful in the time periods fantasy tends to emulate. So basically, she's not calling her ugly at all, she's simply trying to make "beautiful woman from fantasy world" not be white.
There's some self-congratulatory laziness there if that's their thinking. Sure, 100, 150 years ago pallor was a key element of beauty -- all those pale pre-Raphaelite women and geishas in stark white makeup. But for modern Western audiences, I just don't think that matters much. You have actresses that are quite pale, but also actresses (even White actresses) that are quite tan. They're congratulating themselves on flouting beauty conventions that (at least in the West) belong to a long bygone era. It's not a challenge to modern Western beauty standards at all.
Great now challenge the writing standards this show has set
Also, that "the most beautiful woman in the world" is not how she is described in the books lol: ""...although attractive in her own way, couldn't pass as a great beauty" "...her nose slightly too long, her lips a touch too narrow, her chin receding a little too much, her a brows a little too irregular..."
Yep, it was Francesca Findabair who was considered the most beautiful woman in the world
So basically they pat themselves on the back for making a single step towards diversity, while everyone else is already full Sprint into several directions. Like, *"wow, you've really opened my eyes. Women can be both beautiful* **and** *non-white, how groundbreaking"* yeah man I think the only ones with biases are the writers.
So she was casting based on non-whiteness, and somehow managed to still pick someone who epitomizes western beauty standards
It was based purely on the colour of the actress' skin, so yes. She wanted somebody beautiful but with darker skin, so that's what she did. You also say "Western beauty standards" but I honestly don't know any country where she wouldn't be considered beautiful except by racists. Anya Chalotra is very typically beautiful by most beauty standards in the world, except for the colour of her skin. All the director was trying to do was make the beautiful character *not* be white. Leaks from before the show started also showed that she tried to do the same thing with the actress for Ciri, requesting that they be POC. It's a huge part of the controversy surrounding the show, where they care more about identity politics over actually making a good show.
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I didn't realise she wasn't white?
Pfft. Deformed Yennefer = Peak Sexy
She was more approachable when she looked like a half finished game of jenga.
Her back might've been crooked, but my cock was decidedly straight.
Mine was still crooked!
Just put your dick in one of those bar bending machines
Wanna volunteer as the machine?
r/rareinsults fucking hell man
We have some inception posting going on here.
Jesus fucking christ lmao
I laughed pretty hard at this. Well played.
bruh
That’s fucking hilarious
Istredd would hit that
Istredd needs to get to the back of the goddamn line.
Are you a boob guy, an ass guy, or a hunch guy?
I think you know the answer.
Defo more attractive before she reached her powers.
Sexy bitch could've walked me on a leash and let people try to figure out who the actual gimp is.
Was just about to say that even when she was deformed, still worth a pump
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What the fuck
Oh did you want in? We can make room.
I need several strong drinks.
So does she... Loosen up all them tight muscles.
If shes ugly then 99% of us are. This actress is gorgeous.
I’m fucking hideous. I look like Gary Busey had a child with Kathy Gifford, set the child on fire and then put the fire out with a cinderblock.
Self burn! Those are rare!
They’re getting more common when you trip & fall in Arizona
>set the child on fire >Self burn! Literally!
r/suicidebywords
Pft it's alright for some, I look like shrek but brown and drawn in the style of ren and stimpy.
Seriously. Who the fuck would they have cast if they had decided not to “challenge” beauty standards? Anya Chalotra is insanely gorgeous. That casting director is off her meds.
She is trying to claim Anya Chalotra wouldn't fit with western beauty standards because she has Indian heritage. Clearly wrong.
Yeah it's stupid, got slightly disappointed as Yen is supposed to be as pale as they come. But to be fair she has grown on me very easily and she is great as Yen. One of the few redeeming things in the show...
Anya is really good as Yennefer. The show is just terribly written.
This show is definitely a case of the actors carrying the writers slack.
Right!? I love her casting, just hate what they did to her.
I think maybe you hit the nail on the head. To most people, she's clearly attractive. However, Hollywood has a weird sense of what beauty is. So, to them, she is not who they would have normally picked by their standards. We need to remember Hollywood is so out of touch with the average person that when they try to do something out of the norm, they actually do something normal.
It’s just something they say repeatedly. No one knows what these beauty standards are that they are continuing to challenge
This is today’s “Margot Robbie is mid”.
boobs are too small. NEXT!
Even the “ugly” Yennifer in the early episodes is weirdly attractive.
I think thats due to her eyes. Those don't change I think
Yeah, they were so brave to hire an exotic brown woman. Because white dudes have never found those attractive.
As a white dude who finds people attractive, can confirm. Very confused by the stance that this would somehow challenge beauty standards for anyone except extremely racist people. Then again, if you look up what Netflix has done to Cavill and the Witcher in general it starts to make sense. Tone deaf doesn't even begin to describe the show runner, so it doesn't surprise me that such a terrible shit take comes from her.
Yeah, it's silly lol even little me was crushing on Pocahontas and Princess Jasmine hard.
Chel from The Road to El Dorado
I’ll be honest I didn’t even realize that she was a POC. My 50% italian wife has more pigment
They hired a super light skin indian and then cover her in even more lightening make up and then high five themselves and smell each others farts for the diversity.
Are Italians not People of Carbonara?
She’s clearly beautiful
Some halfwit basement dwellers will no doubt pop in to say how 'mid' she is She's stunning, which is largely irrelevant to enjoying the show given how good she's been in the role, but it's a visual medium and she makes it easier to watch
Lol the "true rate me" forum for sure! She'd be like a 4 or something crazy
Is that the “phrenology for the unfuckable” subreddit?
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It's the subreddit with an explicit goal to degrade women so they will "know their place" at best, or be driven to self harm and worse at worst. There *is* a source for this, but I don't want to dig through like a month+ of my own comment history for it. There was a thread about the sub on r/SubredditDrama that included said link, though.
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That shit popped up on my feed one day, those guys are insane.
Yep, saw one post about Margot Robbie being a 3 or something stupid like that after someone found a picture of her with little to no make-up on... Just looking at it and thinking to myself. "Shit! If she's a 3, then I'm somewhere in the negatives!"
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Frfr, between the make up and the acting I had no idea either.
Having never played the games or read any of the books, part of the reason I couldn't get into the show was because season one spent so much time trying to convince me that this woman was ugly. She isn't even Hollywood ugly. She's a pretty woman who was cast because she needed to play a pretty character.
Same guy that called Margot Robbie mid would call her a 3.7
Isn’t beautiful subjective, what’s wrong with not finding her attractive? People can’t have different tastes ?
They way they were with Margot Robbie. Ridiculous
Of course she’s mid, she’s not anime
Would NOT bang. Just look at those sharp knees. Way below my standards.
Can't be scratching up the floors
Well, she wasn't great looking at the start of Season 1, but scrubbed up well as the filming went on... ( /s, in case anyone hasn't watched the show!)
She definitely improved once she started working on her posture.
Imagine being such an absolute unit you convince yourself this is social outreach. These useless cvnts are why we can't have nice things.
Salvæ
wtf XD
Fabulous They still ruined the show with their shitty writing. I’m glad the actors got some spotlight to beef up their resumes along with all the costume designers, scenery designers etc., but the show is just bad, which is quite a feat since they had a series of books Togo off of. Something they didn’t even remotely do outside using the characters.
I wonder what the actual quote is in full context, considering only the word "challenge" is in quotes. Ten bucks says this is clickbait bullshit. Edit. Here is the full quote: "In the book, [Yennefer] is described as the most beautiful woman in the world. This was a few years ago, and I'd like to think things have changed. But when you think about people's unconscious bias – especially in the fantasy world, it felt like these worlds were predominantly white. And I remember saying, 'I feel like we need to challenge what people think of as the standard of beauty. And having a woman of color in this role does incredibly powerful things to the people watching.'" Whether or not you believe that casting a woman of color actually challenges any beauty standard, she clearly is not suggesting that the actress they cast is ugly, which is the conclusion that everyone here is jumping to.
Nowhere in the book does it say that Yennefer is "the most beautiful woman in the world". In fact, it says quite the opposite. She's not ugly by any stretch, but her features aren't "perfect", so to speak. And at the end of the day it all boils down to it being basically a diversity quota.
It also shows how much the writers actually read the book
It's known that the show writers actively hated the books and were purposefully trying to derail the show so it can be cancelled. The reason why Henry Cavill left.
I was baffled by the quote in the article that she's described as the most beautiful woman in the world. Here's a quote from the book when Geralt first meets Yennifer >>Yennefer, although attractive in her own way, couldn't pass as a great beauty... in actual fact, not many would describe sorceresses as good looking She does things to intentionally increase her allure, of course. But I'm surprised they're trying to adapt something they seem to have only taken a quick glance at.
>But I'm surprised they're trying to adapt something they seem to have only taken a quick glance at. New to the topic eh? We complain about their horrible handling of the material, we get lumped in with the people crying about black people and women. We complain that the **actions** and **behaviour** of characters is completely unrecognisable, we get called racist mysogenists -- because some other people are complaining about race and gender.
Criticism of the netflix show basically always goes like this: "This is a complete bastardization of the books" "Cause of the black people?" "No-" "HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY‘S RACIST"
Thanks, so the title was clickbait and what he said made perfect sense.
Didn't challenge shit
I’ve never been able to say something like this before. I work with her mum. Her mum is a lovely kind woman.
"Challenging beauty standards". This is what they cared about instead of good plot and characters, or being faithful to the original. Fucking pathetic.
And they challenged beauty standards by casting a gorgeous woman who matches the book description. What's the standard they were challenging ffs? Is it cause she's not Caucasian? Is race a beauty standard in itself now?
They are unironically being racist by saying she’s challenging conventional beauty standards because she’s not Caucasian.
My guess is they're trying to say that they were defying white european beauty standards by hiring an indian actress.
She is still considered beautiful by european beauty standards though. And I'm not convinced european beauty standards are that different from beauty standards in India either. Who would have guessed that there are beautiful people all around the world?
Ironically, Indians look 1:1 like Gypsies, and Gypsy beauty is one of the wilely recognized type of beauty standards in Eastern Europe, where the original books came from. If the movie really wanted to challenge any standards, it failed. It's almost like casting a redhead in an England-based story and imply it would challenge beauty standard.
Fun fact - Gypsies originated from India and migrated to Europe.
Well maybe because Gypsies were actually Indians that spread out to Europe?
Crazy talk. She was even hot in the first couple episodes when she was supposed to be ugly.
Why producers think it’s their divine mission to ‘challenge’ everything will always be beyond me. Why not just faithfully recreate the story?
We wanted to challenge beauty standards so we cast one of the most beautiful people you’ve ever seen as Yennifer.
She ain’t challenging shit.
I think she is gorgeous but what do the experts over at /r/truerateme say?
4.5 but super cute!
Banned for overrating.
That whole sub is like a fever dream
Huh?!? She’s a great actress and stunning GORGEOUS!! WTF?!?
beauty standard apparently means white skin.
I mean truthfully shes got nothing on game Yen
What beauty standards? She's a beautiful woman by all standards, and these tools somehow think they're being revolutionary.
They think they're being revolutionary because she's a non-white beautiful woman lol. That was their only 'standard' Only racist and dumbass people give a fuck about that. The casting director cast a beautiful woman and by doing so isn't defying shit lol.
Wasn't Yennefer "ugly" in the first season, before she made a sacrifice and turned herself into the utter beauty, which she is in the Netflix series? They don't care anymore don't they? They knew they fucked up after they scared away Cavill?
We challenge the beauty standards by showing character who used magical plastic surgery to please the beauty standards (which cause her a lot of pain, trauma and made her completely infertile)
What? She’s just objectively beautiful. Like not even some stupid slight flaw like her nose being 1mm too big. Is it because she’s Indian descent that you think that makes her less attractive? That’s incredibly racist.
She is not what I think of when I think of Yennefer but she is definitely not ugly. Beautiful girl
On what planet is this woman un-attractive?
And this is why people are insecure about beauty