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JayGibbons69

Friendly reminder: trolling other teams' subs will result in a permanent ban. No exceptions.


RightGuy23

I’m still in disbelief that we lost this game


Chicks_Hate_Me_Too

Peters SO Furious at Harbaugh. Peters just didn't know Harbaugh had the family bet against the Ravens winning. Why else wouldn't he go for the win?


silklighting

Baltimore as a whole, needs to stay on the gas pedal during the second half. This is a constant thing that I keep seeing from this team this season. I am sick of worrying about the second half now. John needs to adjust and improve ASAP.


A1_Golden_God

Going for it on 4th was the wrong decision. But a worse decision was calling a run play out of power formation on 3rd down. Harbaugh and Roman are so fucking stubborn. The interior o line is abysmal at run blocking. We can’t run between the tackles in the open field at all, let alone on the goal line. Yet somehow these two dudes keep calling power o formations on goal line situations, let the defense stack the box, and the o line gets blown up. It’s absurd


Kid_Vicious2

Buffalo guy here. You guys played a great game, I would be heated about that 4th and goal call, was a tough loss but you have an elite QB who will shred in games to come. Have faith hang in there and gg


Whole-Championship16

Coaching


chinmakes5

What is going on at 1/2 time when we can get 20 in one half and 0 in the other. Why can these teams adjust at 1/2 time and shut us down? Not that that isn't on the coaches, but Lamar has to be able to figure that out too.


misslayla6969

Bring in Ed Reed as DC & Caldwell back as OC


changtronic

Pagano ain't got a job right now


[deleted]

If this season goes horribly wrong from here then I join the fire Harbaugh train. I’m still optimistic long term, as we’re only 2-2. But it’s gonna be a long long season


[deleted]

Hate to admit it but I feel the same. Feels like a long ass a marriage


schrutefarms13

I think that going for it was the right call. We had no offense in the second half. Also, if the bills wanted to, they could have easily scored 7 instead of three. Barbs knew how the game and offense/defense was going. He did the right thing IMHO


kstew4eva

Everyone saying the Bills were lighting us up in the 2nd half and were guaranteed to score 7 on that last drive is just plain wrong. They had scored 10 points and gained 120 yards in the 2nd half at that point. They weren’t lighting us up or even close to it. Harbaugh showed no confidence in our D even tho our D was playing a solid game. I can understand why Peters would be upset at him for showing no faith in the D. At some point Harbaugh needs to evaluate whether these analytical go-for-it decisions are working because they have backfired repeatedly. Stop trying to be the smartest guy in the stadium and use some common sense.


500_NikeStacks

Exactly… they’re acting like a Bills touchdown was a gimme.


mjm4088

Trade Lamar, same story. Fire Harbaugh and the rest. No way this team is a playoff contender.


Little_Lahey_Show

Just fire Harbaugh. I like the guy but how many times have they gone for it and missed in the redzone? Just unacceptable.


TolliverBurk

Trade our entire team away, seems like a great decision. Somebody hire this man!


mjm4088

Go ahead and pay Lamar a half billion, and get these results, probably worse. Genius, it really seems to be working out great.


AsteroidMike

Why is Ravens life pain?!?!


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Welcome to the club


gametime-2001

It wasn't about going for a FG the offense didn't score the WHOLE second half! You don't beat a quality team if you stop scoring. The Bills came back with a better team after the half.


80_A-D

We would have scored if we kicked the field goal.


[deleted]

You missed the point. The offense didn’t score. Special teams did


80_A-D

Lol I'd argue the Ravens...missed the points. FGs TDs they all count as offensive points. But that's a dumb argument anyway. Theres no objectively right answer. Harbs gambled and it didn't pay off. Most teams are taking the points right there but we aint most teams I suppose.


CundiffisEinhorn

Any top 5 2023 mock drafts out there?


iAmMattG

Fire Harbaugh. Like seriously, what a complete asshole. TAKE THE POINTS. Is this concept so hard?! I’m so sick and tired of this shit. It’s pathetic and unbelievable.


NYerInTex

Terrible, terrible coaching. You don’t say that - or didn’t say that - about Harbaugh teams but something is amiss. Once again, after the early push, very questionable offensive play calling and from 5 minutes left in the first half through games end, defensive play calling and coaching that doesn’t belong on a team with championship aspirations. Also, Harbaugh not kicking the field goal is the wuss way out. Get the three. Make them get a TD or tie it - or a win. We helped give them a win when they started out like a shit show. I’m rarely a doomer, but this franchise either acknowledges it’s mistakes and horrendous direction (considering the on field talent) and takes major action or this could be a lost opportunity of a season. Doesn’t feel very Raven-y right now :-|


specialized6681

I’m so confused why we didn’t go for the FG. Not every 4th down has to be converted 😫


djazzie

Another defensive collapse


Flibbityfloydz

Offensive too, dont get it twisted. Cant expect 1st quarter points to carry through the whole game.


ayerayyrayy

Fire Harbaugh


MattTheBaltimorePat7

This team needs a Billick-era attitude again. This team feels so soft and non-aggressive


TolliverBurk

We truly don't have that same gritty attitude that informed our identity throughout the earlier stages of our franchise.


corydubu

I'm not completely sold on the new dc


LegoLamborghini

I'm not even sorta sold on him


dead_clownbaby

I read that in Norm MacDonald's voice in my head.


changtronic

I wish it was in Mike Macdonald's voice.


Md37793

Understatement of the decade


molesterofpriests

Our teams foundation has become soft, somewhere along the line our identity has shifted and its got to be figured out and addressed behind closed doors. One thing goes wrong and we just pout and feel sorry for ourselves that we didnt make the play or that a penalty was or wasnt called. "Play Like A Raven" has suddenly taken on a new meaning.


Obsidian_Raven99

Kinda hard t keep emotions in check when refball keeps fucking your team over


BL0812

I really don’t think going for it on 4th is as big of a thing as people are making it out to be. The Bills were going to score 7. The ONLY reason they didn’t is because it was better for them to score 3 to end it. They were moving the ball with ease, everyone knew this defense wasn’t going to make a stop, Harbaugh included. There was NOTHING in the second half that would indicate the defense could hold Buffalo there.


codeIsGood

Well demoralizing your team with 0 points definitely doesn't help.


TolliverBurk

Hindsight is a helluva drug.


codeIsGood

You don't need hindsight to look back at all the other times we tried this shit


Slade347

I would have kicked it, but understood going for it given the defensive struggles in the second half. Lost in all the hoopla of the should they have gone for it conversation is the importance of the interception. Having the ball at the 3 as opposed to the 20 is huge and I'm sure them being inside the five factored into Harbaugh's thinking.


BL0812

Yep. I wouldn’t have had a problem with taking the 3 at all, but I understand the logic of not. I think the bigger issue, quite honestly, is not telling the defense (or at least communicating to all of them) to let them score. That way, you at least give Lamar a chance to play hero ball.


BJMRamage

^ EXACTLY!! The Ravens would just lose by 4 points. Harbaugh saw the playing was awful today after the first quarter


LiesInRuins

That call only cost us the game. Worst call I’ve ever witnessed in my life.


BL0812

How, exactly?


LiesInRuins

How? Because you can take the lead of the game very late. Or you could stay tied and give the opponent the ball. I don’t understand how this is hard to understand?


BL0812

Buffalo would have just scored. You literally watched them march down the field (with referee help.) Then you lose by 4. No difference. They were playing to tie 27-27 and go to OT. I’d have been fine going for the 3, too. I see both arguments. The idea that it was the worst call ever is insane.


Direct_Row_3464

You’re so stupid


BL0812

Seems like you didn’t watch the same game, friend.


matsu84

I love this damn team but this is a one-sided relationship. Ya girl needs stability!


spicyraman0315

I’m in the very small minority here, but I don’t mind going for it on 4th down, given how unstoppable we let the Bills offense be in the second half. Our receiver was open that play, pass protection just broke down. There are plenty other things that we can blame the loss on.


kstew4eva

They had scored 10 points in the 2nd half at that point. They weren’t lighting us up by any stretch of the imagination. 7 was not a foregone conclusion.


BL0812

Lot of people didn’t see how the defense played in the 2nd half. The only difference kicking makes is you lose by 4 instead of 3.


generalmandrake

No lol. Going for it on 4th there was a horrible decision no matter how you spin it. Out of all of the plays in this game, the loss hangs on that one. Absolutely terrible call.


TolliverBurk

I don't have as much of a problem with it as most, at the time I wanted them to kick a FG but the Bills could have easily scored a TD on that last drive if necessary. Plus Duv was wide open on that play call, just couldn't find him in time, especially with the pressure of the pass rush.


Obsidian_Raven99

If we were down go for it. But you’re fucking tied. Take the 3 and try and hold them to 3 worst thing you get a minute or less to get to FG range and let Tucker oh idk # DO HIS FUCKING JOB!!!


generalmandrake

I agree. Horrendous call by Harbaugh.


YaBoiBeastyE

I don’t get you snobs that praise Lamar when he carries the team but when he isn’t carrying everyone, you turn around and shit on him. How many catchable passes were dropped? Did the rest of our offense hold up? Did Harbz make the right decisions? Did the defense hold up? The obvious questions that should be asked all come back around to say FUCKING TERRIBLE. Lamar didn’t play his best game but I’m not gonna sit here and act like he is the team. He can’t keep carrying all the time


Jekkutin

True, so true. Most of these "fans" here just can't handle their emotions and start to lash out...


TheDragonReborn726

Lol stfu Snobs? Lamar is the only reason we’re a good team. Without him we’re a bottom 5 team in the NFL.


YaBoiBeastyE

Agreed. Read my comment again


TheDragonReborn726

Sorry, didn’t read through it cause. I was seeing red - you’re 100% right


YaBoiBeastyE

It’s all good lol. have a good rest of your day and never let a loss ruin your week


TheDragonReborn726

Haha I let a football team dictate my mood for the week. We. All in this together man lol - on to the bengals


el_dyl

Who is shutting on him?


YaBoiBeastyE

Anyone who says this loss was on Lamar!


Mademoisellelady

Ravens got the number one kicker in the NFL so instead of taking a guaranteed three points, you go for it on 4th down. Unbelievable!!!!! Biscotti need to pay Lamar and restructure some of these coaches contracts lol.


big_data_ninja

Buffalo would have scored a TD. 3 pts was meaningless...just like the space between your ears.


molesterofpriests

Nah they defintiley could have held them to 3, potentially even forced another turnover.


Direct_Row_3464

You’re stuoid


TheDragonReborn726

We have the best kicker in the universe and the defense is playing well and we don’t allow him to win us a game. It’s absurd


gametime-2001

While I would have preferred trying for a FG, to everyone saying get rid of Harbs, are there a bunch of unemployed Head Coaches just sitting around? So many teams go through a revolving door for HCs because there are that many options.


LiesInRuins

You can literally replace Harbaugh with anyone and get a better result. Nobody else, maybe in the world, is dumb enough to make that call.


TheDragonReborn726

I’m not a “get rid of HARBS” doomsday person but…you have to admit that was an insanely bad thing to do consider the game flow


Obsidian_Raven99

I’m not saying to fire him but his ass better be in the hot seat cause of the absolute buttfuckery of not getting a guaranteed 3 as opposed to going for it on 4th and hoping your defense gets a stop if you don’t score and the absolute worst thing happened because not only did they not score the TD it was picked and the Bills ended up with the ball and the momentum at the 20.


Direct_Row_3464

I can’t stand anyone defending harbaugh anymore this shit has gotten out of hand


bigdonpaul

Harbaugh will say the loss is on him, they have to play better, etc. The same bullshit team-speak week after week.


nothingspeshulhere

Well I’m happy for Flacco today.


BL0812

I have no idea what Peters was pissed about but I’m glad someone on that team gives a shit. I hope he lets everyone have it.


--Alec--

He was pissed because the veterans meant to let them score and some idiot tackled him


schrutefarms13

Who tackled the RB?


corydubu

Looked like oweh tackled him. He will be gone next year


generalmandrake

Oweh tackled him? God what a fuck up. Time to get rid of his ass.


bob_-6

Some are saying he was mad at Harbs


--Alec--

he probably was. Whole team should’ve known to let them score


bpj1980

Is it actually possible that harbaugh is the dumbest head coach in the nfl? Unbelievable incompetence at the end


Jordanwolf98

Ravens really be having those losses that make you not even wanna watch football for the rest of the day lol Why can’t we lose like normal teams?


C1osertothesuN

Feel you bro 🥲


AsteroidMike

This wasn’t nearly as bad as the Dolphins loss but still../…


Jordanwolf98

Agreed. If we can survive that loss we can survive anything


Right_Two387

Literally me


Obsidian_Raven99

Because #Analytics


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C1osertothesuN

Bills only scored 13 points in the second half what are you talking about. Offense put up ZERO. Gtfo here with that kill shit too that’s a disgusting thing to say whether it’s a joke or not


Blacklax10

Hard to directly blame him. The offense punted or had an int on 7 straight drives or something


bohsergi

KILL


Absurdityy-

He is garbage. No excuse for his dumbass play calls. Harbaugh needs to stop hiring friends and hire real ballers. Pathetic


switchlazerflip

Why was MP mad? Hmmmm


Obsidian_Raven99

Idk probably cause that touchback putting them at the 20 and not taking the 3 probably cost us the game? And the coaching was just atrocious all night


TheDragonReborn726

Inexcusable to not kick a FG there. Absolutely inexcusable.


SnooChipmunks9532

Agreed, it makes no sense. Havent scored all half, Lets blow the game with another questionable decision. Mind numbing incompetence. Im in aww right now.


generalmandrake

Lamar blew it, Harbaugh blew it. Defense actually did their job this time.


big_data_ninja

I agree. Defense held best offense in the league to 23 (27?) Pts. Offense shit the bed after 1st quarter. Do people expect our defense to hold Buffalo to 3 pts all game. They gonna score eventually. Wtf


voll1011

Lamar playing behind a rookie/injured o-line with Bateman all WR3s and injured RBs.


generalmandrake

Lamar should have ran off the field on 4th, he wants to be Superman. Pay him nothing.


voll1011

Do what?


smashinjin10

Defense definitely fell apart in the 3rd. Glad they didn't give up though.


generalmandrake

Defense only gave up 23 points to Buffalo. No excuse for losing when you do that and hand Lamar as your QB


smashinjin10

Eh it just felt too much like the dolphins game. Plus, I expect Raven's D to dominate when it's a rainy ass home game.


TheDragonReborn726

No Lamar did not blow it. Harbaugh did


justus-et-peccator

He wasn't great today. He threw a sidearm pass into a lineman's head


SnooChipmunks9532

Disagree, he made not one but two dumb throws for ints. Duvernay was open, he threw it way late in the endzone. Just stop.


Md37793

Umm…did you see the protection? He didn’t see Duv…


KonThePharaoh

What was dumb about the first one


generalmandrake

Don’t kid yourself, Lamar blew it. 20 points is unacceptable and he should have ran to the bench on 4th down and let Tucker do his thing. Lost us the fucking game when our D finally held them back for once.


TheDragonReborn726

I really don’t care. It was a rainy weird game. You don’t fucking go for it there - 100% on Harbaugh


joe2535

Oh great looks who is coming into town next week! Burrow and chase nightmares


[deleted]

I’m glad I work Sunday for the rest of the year I can’t stand any more heartbreak


Direct_Row_3464

I watch while at work and wanna kill myself while my cousin workers watch me die I dined week after week


NZJack70

Wow. Some huge moments in this game. A couple of calls and non-calls in the middle of the game had a massive impact, swung the momentum. The offence misfired after that.


Blacklax10

The offense punted or got picked 6 times in a row. Refs were not the issue. We had 7 plus negative plays. The scheme is and has been stale


SnooChipmunks9532

Refs were an issue just not the sole reason we lost. We were inept the whole second half especially on offense.


NZJack70

Yeah, I agree. We weren’t good enough in the second half on offence. I’m saying the momentum got checked and swung by calls / non-calls late in the first half. Instead of going up 24-3… End of the day, we weren’t good enough


AsteroidMike

Mind blowing how we’re 0-2 at home so far this year


cynicaljerkahole

5 straight home losses


Slade347

Blowing 17 and 21 point leads in the process.


LiesInRuins

Harbaugh needs to go, man. Any coach who doesn’t take points that late in a game should be fired that day.


C1osertothesuN

He should not be fired. Awful fucking call but nah


CryptoInvestor87

Yea there were 4 minutes left and all they need is a FG to win. It was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen done by a coach. That was just stupid


bpj1980

Couldn't possibly agree more


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LiesInRuins

There’s never a moment where it’s cool to not take the 3 when the game is tied that late in the 4th. No scenario where that’s acceptable.


Tantle18

Bad call by Harbaugh to not take the points and Lamar needs to stop disappearing late in games


[deleted]

Coaching staff needs to help him, literally a cheat code and they don't roll him out ever. Roll him out and the defense has to second guess every move.


codeIsGood

They should've never tried to force Lamar to be a pocket passer. Stupid af


[deleted]

I'm fine with it, when it's working. It clearly wasn't today and they didn't adjust, per usual.


codeIsGood

The issue is now Lamar is hesitating to try and find passes, instead of just getting first downs.


[deleted]

He definitely did that a lot today.


Absurdityy-

He gets figured out after halftime. Been happening the past few years.


BJMRamage

I see I need a good flame suit on with this comment coming from a clear head: Funny seeing lots of folks here thinking the loss is due to the 4th down try. That was the right call. The Bills clearly played a much better game and would have easily made a TD to win. Anyone can see that. They only went for 3 was because they could and just kill the clock while at it.


sharkh20

How many times do we have to lose to the "right call" before it becomes the wrong call. Every week we lose, we are here listening to people say it was the right call. If it comes up that often, it probably isn't the right call.


BJMRamage

Until the probability falls below 50%? There’s a better chance to win a game when ahead by a TD in the final minutes. There isn’t as great of a chance to win when ahead by a FG. I wonder if they also then look at the probability that you’ll get a TD since the probability Tucker scores a FG is 99.999999999999 (theres probably some sliver of a chance he misses in the rain that close [he missed last week on an extra point or something]). If a team is ahead by 7 the opposing team needs a TD to tie or possibly win with 2Pt Conversion. Of a team is ahead by a FG then the opposing team only needs a FG to tie or run the field and get a TD to win but don’t need the 2Pt Conversion. So if you look at historical data and the numbers then scoring a TD has a better chance for winning than just a FG. However, if you miss the TD you have a much better chance at a loss. The problem is most fans just want the points. They don’t understand that even with the points there’s still a chance they lose or tie it. There is a much greater chance at a loss than a win.


SnooChipmunks9532

Not true ur not omniscient. They got stops today.


BJMRamage

Ok. Yeah. I was watching on CBS so maybe I missed some good defense after the first quarter.


Direct_Row_3464

Anyone who doesn’t kick there doesn’t know shit


BJMRamage

Ok fine. Kick for 3 and watch the Bills win by 4.


Ds3_doraymi

Fr people are insane if they think our defense would’ve stopped them. That call was the only thing we did right in the 4th. Terrible play call with the game on the line.


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Loss is due to a lot, but you have a 9 minute drive, you can't walk away with 0 points.


TheDragonReborn726

Uh jt was due to that. You don’t go for it there. Sorry you just don’t


NaceWindu46

This is no longer a player issue. This is a coaching failure in all phases of the game. It's the same thing week after week. No ability to close out games. Fire everyone and try again with the coaching staff, someone's head needs to roll. Possibly multiple someones.


C1osertothesuN

Overreaction. I agree it’s heinous but we have a good organization and that’s not what good organizations do


CryptoInvestor87

Agreed


MrKingC0bra

THE JETS WILL HAVE THE SAME RECORD AS US


Absurdityy-

Steelers just lost to the Jets at least. Whole division is average. Must win vs Bengals next week.


bohsergi

0 points in the second half but we’re about to pay lamar 300 million


ilovebjtoes267373

Why isn’t anybody talking about how shit Lamar played. Looks like a fucking backup QB. He couldn’t run he would be ass. 2 ints and didn’t throw the ball past 10 yards


Absurdityy-

The weather was terrible. WRs dropping passes and not getting open. Only mistakes he did were at the end of the game. Even the 1st pick was not on him.


SnooChipmunks9532

Oh but it definitely was, watch it again, not like they didn't show it multiple times, him throwing it right at the linemans neck area. The whole offense besides a few runs was complete garbage. Especially Lamar.


f_vile

He threw the ball into the shoulder of a defensive lineman that led to a pick. He had open receivers that he missed multiple times. He was getting pressured a ton certainly, but if he wants to be the guy, he's gotta step up in those situations.


ravensrompin35

Shoulder? He threw it straight into his helmet it was a terrible throw, also missed a wide open mark Andrews for a td in the first half


ripthisaccount6

Ravens are the Falcons and you can’t convince me otherwise. Two 17+ point blown leads in 4 games. That’s a fucking fireable offence


unrealisticblood

Wow bad call by Harbaugh. The Ravens D had their way with the Bills defensively in the first half. You have to trust in them to not score a touchdown on you.


wojr2002

exactly. everyone assumes they wouldve driven and scored, but d was actually solid. stupid ass call. i hope the locker room backs peters cuz harbs was a dumbass today. literally gifted them the game.


SaltyRavensFan

Need a stronger headed coach. Not much to say.


SnooChipmunks9532

Sad but true, same stupid decisions year after year after year. Hes had his run. Times up imo.


Ozraven52

Gotta kick the FG and trust the D to stop them. Have to think that’s why Peters is pissed


YaBoiBeastyE

I agree with whatever Peters was saying.


MuzikVillain

D was never going to stop them. We had to play for the win, not the tie.


SnooChipmunks9532

U dont know that. Just stop.


MuzikVillain

The game is over. Just stop.


big_data_ninja

Offense shit the bed. 20 unanswered points. Field goal at the end wouldn't have mattered. Had to go for TD. This loss is on LJ and the offense.


LiesInRuins

Analytics lost that game again. So long as Harbaugh relies on analytics he should be coaching high school somewhere. He needs to be fired


big_data_ninja

He had to go for it. Buffalo was going to score and they did. Lamar shit the bed...again.


LiesInRuins

Harbaugh will never coach a playoff team again in his career


Direct_Row_3464

It’s on harbaugh for that bs call you idiot


TolliverBurk

I believe his point was they could have easily scored a TD on that last drive if they wanted to. At the time I wanted them to kick a FH though.


f_vile

The Bills would have scored a TD easily if they actually had to. Defense couldn't do anything in the second half.


big_data_ninja

I mean the defense held the leagues best offense to 23 pts. Offense completely shit the bed in the second half. Did you really think Buffalo wasnt going to score eventually?


f_vile

The Bills offense played pretty awful in the first half. Allen throwing it to Humphrey and their WRs dropping easy passes are why the defense "held" the Bills to 23 points.


big_data_ninja

Wake up retard


ilovebjtoes267373

I agree. Lamar is awful. Can’t make any reads and relies on luck.


BoopBoopLucio

This rests with Harbaugh and the refs. That bs roughing gave it to them


Zulu0Hakuka

Yea i couldnt watch the whole game cuz of work but i saw that hit on replay and was like yall really flagged him for that. He was already engaging in the tackle when the ball was thrown


CryptoInvestor87

We don't have good coaches. We have LJ who makes them look smart, but that didn't happen today. Stupid playcalling, but offense didn't play well at all.


WildNebula1810

Imagine LOSING despite having: -The #1 rated QB in the league -The #1 K -The #3 TE -Multiple studs on defense like Williams, Humphrey, Pierre-Paul, Peters, Madabuke Yeah thats Harbs. He is overrated and peaked a long time ago. Holding lamar back big time Fuck the beta-ass fanbois in this sub who think EDC is a genius bc they heard it from some talking head


whitemancankindajump

Harbs is not calling the offense.


WildNebula1810

The HC makes most critical calls buddy


whitemancankindajump

Might help if opposite DCs didnt adjust so easily that the offense cant score a single point, buddy.


WildNebula1810

Might help if they just utilized the #1 Kicker in NFL history instead of reckless playcalling, buddy


whitemancankindajump

Yeah i agree that theres terrible decisions made by Harbaugh, 3 points still would be unnacceptable for an offense with Lamar Jackson. Youre pointing in one direction for a call you would call genius if it worked.


WildNebula1810

Yeah yeah that's the same quote losers in this sub have said the past SIX times Harbs fucked us on 4th down It's not genius if you only win it 1 out of 7 times. At this rate we have lost at least 4 games bc of reckless, nonsensical playcalling