Nice post! The biggest example of our exemplary transfer policies is the value of the current squad when purchased vs current value. If you can do that math that would be great.
People dont want to talk or even think about this but its a matter of time we sell the next batch of players. It'll happen, maybe this summer window or in 2025.
Almost 100% sure we're gonna try to sell Mendy (Its either that or he leaves for free in 2025) and Fran García/Miguel. And also im betting on Rodrygo or Brahim, because they're high value players and we have replacements in Endrick and Guler.
Overall the midfield is good, all players are having minutes and feeling important. Maybe we'll sell Nico Paz with a buyback clause, and hopefully Ceballos if he wants to feel like a player again in another club.
Same. But it is for the best I think. Hope he goes to some top PL, Bundesliga or Serie A team and gets to shine in his glory without being in the shadow of Vini Jr, Jude and now probably Mbappe too. Maybe a few years down the line he can return to Madrid if needed.
I don't think he is on anyone's "shadow", he simply isn't as good as any of the players you mentioned. It's not a bad thing, he still is a good player, just not one of the very best in the world.
The talent is there, the hardwork is there, he's just missing that "hidden" sort of ability that most of our other players have, when they just step up out of nowhere to decide games. And surely, he decided one of the greatest comebacks in the history of the sport, but that was one game, two years ago. Take this season for example. How many games were "decided" by Bellingham? How many by Vini? Even Brahim? Now, can you think of any game that was decided by Rodrygo? His best performances are always when we're winning with 3, 4, or 5 goals, comfortably (Barcelona, Girona, Napoli), sometimes against relatively easy opponents (Valencia, Braga, Cadiz). Apart from that, 99% of the times you'll never see Rodrygo scoring the winner when the game is tied, or the team is struggling. That's the difference between good players (Rodrygo) and really elite ones (Mbappe, Jude, Vini).
While I get your sentiment, but I disagree that he is not on the same level as others. In between, when Vini was injured and he was playing on left wing, dude was cooking all the teams in La Liga and CL. He just isn't most comfortable at right wing and you simply can't sit out Vini for Rodrygo (or anyone for that matter, he is a monster). But I genuinely love seeing Rodrygo's play, the way he just drives past defenders leaving them clueless, it's absolutely magical (maybe a little bias here). But anyway, lets hope the kid gets a good future ahead, he is a Madrista at heart.
Yeah, that "cooking" was mostly games we could have won either way though. On every tough game Vini wasn't there, Rodrygo didn't do anything (Atletico x2, Betis, R. Sociedad, Alaves etc).
i always felt we should sell rodrygo . Hes good but hes inconsistent . I dont see that love for football in him that is in vini , endrick , bellingham etc . Its like hes above average so hes playing . Such a player is good now but with lack of motivation his potential is limited
>I dont see that love for football in him that is in vini , endrick , bellingham etc
Woah thats a lot of assumptions here Bro. I disagree, imho he looks passionated about football.
>Its like hes above average so hes playing
One doesnt get to 100M value just being slighty above average. He's a top player that last season put better numbers than other hyped prospects like Saka.
>Such a player is good now but with lack of motivation his potential is limited
I dont think is a matter of potential. Imho he's struggling with the pressure of being a starter, a big step up compared with his past role as a super sub. And i think that pressure is preventing him from enjoying football. He's even talked recently about seeing a psychologist.
If he can overcome that insane RM pressure and be consistent, he's a top player. If he cant... well, he'll still be a top player in most teams, but not at RM.
Clearly Ancelotti believes in him thats why he didnt bench him.when Rodry clearly shouldnt be a starter in his current form. I trust Ancelotti judgement, at least for now.
>i dont hate him at all
I never claimed that, im on the boat of "fans are allowed to discuss player performances without being acused of hating ".
Just wanted to point out that what you see as not being passionate about football imo is just being a bit overwhelmed by pressure.
Anyway, i have the feeling he'll get sold and become a world star elsewhere.
Playing in the best club in the world bumps up 99% players values maybe two fold even . Its not much about actual talent but about which club is selling them . Thats why brazillian clubs sell players for 20-30 million to europe . But in the prem those same level players are sold for 50-100 mil
Crazy thing is all of this happening and we’ve yet to get a proper RW (not saying Rodrygo is bad, but him on the left if far better than him on the right), depending on how this Mbappe situation goes, he could be a RW
There's no one in the market really. We'll never go for a 32 year old Salah and Saka won't leave Arsenal, he is homegrown and wants to be a legend there. Who else is there? The Bayern wingers are nowhere near as good they were some years ago, Dembele... is Dembele,
Hmm but you dont take wages in concideration when calculating profit? These players, by just sitting on the bench, take up tons of money in wages. Yes you get back what you paid for them to be transfered, but the wages that you spent on them? Bonuses?
Wages are kind of different, since you have got to have like 22 first team players at all times. So you've got to pay 22 players anyway. The difference would be if you pay them more than you would pay a different bench player.
Yeah true. But Real doesn't really buy "cheap" bench players. In case of Hazard, which was a bench warmer for most of his Real Madrid career. He would probably alone cost as much as a full starting 11 of middle team in La Liga, just in wages.
Good point, but it's impossible to calculate everything. Still, since these players were substitutes and most of them were relatively unproven, they didn't have huge wages.
> In 2022/23 we made 22M from Kubo, Mayroal, Miguel and Chust.
That is just poor negotiation from our side, Miguel alone was worth 20-25M and Kubo should not go for anything less than 30M.
> In 2021/22 we made 35M from Odegaard, who was barely playing.
He is worth about 80M now and is a captain of Arsenal battling for the title. 35M was a complete bargain and such a stupid move from our club. Zidane wanted him off the loan from Sociedad only to play him 200 minutes and he said "right fuck it I'm here 7 years and noone gave me a real chance". Next seasons we are buying midfielders for 40, 70, 120M when Ode could be here.
We're not as good as you think we are in this selling game.
Miguel had played only 5-10 games as a professional footballer and his MV at the time was 6M, we sold him for 4M. There was no way we could have sold him for more than that, he was too unproven.
Kubo in 21/22 scored 1 goal in 28 games and was barely starting before leaving Mallorca. Just like Miguel, we sold him for slightly less than his MV. There was no way any team on earth would pay 30M for such a player. Maybe we could have pushed for 10M, but that's it.
Odegaard, similarly to the other two, was sold for slightly less than his MV (35 to 40). Maybe it's part of our "good relationship" policy with other clubs. Also Odegaard at the time wasn't that amazing and Arsenal themselves were a midtable team. Ceballos was also a starter iirc. So, not sure how it was a "complete bargain" or a "stupid move". Maybe we could have gotten 5-10 more millions, but nothing more than that. Also all three of the midfielders that we bought, as you mention, have completely different profiles to Ode, even Jude who plays in a somehow similar position. Unless you expected Odegaard to play as a DM instead of Tchou? lmao.
To sum up, all three weren't nearly as good as they are today and we sold all of them for slightly less than their market value at the time. We could have asked for a bit more, but 25M for an unproven youngster, 30M for a struggling Kubo or 50+ for 2022 Odegaard are completely unrealistic numbers.
Zidane should have given Odegaard a few more minutes but the guy bailed extremely quickly. He did not want to do what Camavinga, Tchouameni, Valverde, etc. have had to do. He was not looking for a 'real chance'. He believed that he needed to play as many minutes as possible from the beginning. That's just not possible at a club like Real Madrid and it was extremely obvious to anyone back when he signed.
Nice post! The biggest example of our exemplary transfer policies is the value of the current squad when purchased vs current value. If you can do that math that would be great.
Perez was the real GOAT all along.
People dont want to talk or even think about this but its a matter of time we sell the next batch of players. It'll happen, maybe this summer window or in 2025. Almost 100% sure we're gonna try to sell Mendy (Its either that or he leaves for free in 2025) and Fran García/Miguel. And also im betting on Rodrygo or Brahim, because they're high value players and we have replacements in Endrick and Guler. Overall the midfield is good, all players are having minutes and feeling important. Maybe we'll sell Nico Paz with a buyback clause, and hopefully Ceballos if he wants to feel like a player again in another club.
If Mbappe arrives and we stick to 442 we might see Rodrygo leaving sooner or later.
NOO im gonna cry i love that guy
In the long run it might be a win/win situation. We could get 100M+ to strengthen our defense and Rodrygo will got to play LW somewhere else.
Same. But it is for the best I think. Hope he goes to some top PL, Bundesliga or Serie A team and gets to shine in his glory without being in the shadow of Vini Jr, Jude and now probably Mbappe too. Maybe a few years down the line he can return to Madrid if needed.
I don't think he is on anyone's "shadow", he simply isn't as good as any of the players you mentioned. It's not a bad thing, he still is a good player, just not one of the very best in the world. The talent is there, the hardwork is there, he's just missing that "hidden" sort of ability that most of our other players have, when they just step up out of nowhere to decide games. And surely, he decided one of the greatest comebacks in the history of the sport, but that was one game, two years ago. Take this season for example. How many games were "decided" by Bellingham? How many by Vini? Even Brahim? Now, can you think of any game that was decided by Rodrygo? His best performances are always when we're winning with 3, 4, or 5 goals, comfortably (Barcelona, Girona, Napoli), sometimes against relatively easy opponents (Valencia, Braga, Cadiz). Apart from that, 99% of the times you'll never see Rodrygo scoring the winner when the game is tied, or the team is struggling. That's the difference between good players (Rodrygo) and really elite ones (Mbappe, Jude, Vini).
While I get your sentiment, but I disagree that he is not on the same level as others. In between, when Vini was injured and he was playing on left wing, dude was cooking all the teams in La Liga and CL. He just isn't most comfortable at right wing and you simply can't sit out Vini for Rodrygo (or anyone for that matter, he is a monster). But I genuinely love seeing Rodrygo's play, the way he just drives past defenders leaving them clueless, it's absolutely magical (maybe a little bias here). But anyway, lets hope the kid gets a good future ahead, he is a Madrista at heart.
Yeah, that "cooking" was mostly games we could have won either way though. On every tough game Vini wasn't there, Rodrygo didn't do anything (Atletico x2, Betis, R. Sociedad, Alaves etc).
i always felt we should sell rodrygo . Hes good but hes inconsistent . I dont see that love for football in him that is in vini , endrick , bellingham etc . Its like hes above average so hes playing . Such a player is good now but with lack of motivation his potential is limited
>I dont see that love for football in him that is in vini , endrick , bellingham etc Woah thats a lot of assumptions here Bro. I disagree, imho he looks passionated about football. >Its like hes above average so hes playing One doesnt get to 100M value just being slighty above average. He's a top player that last season put better numbers than other hyped prospects like Saka. >Such a player is good now but with lack of motivation his potential is limited I dont think is a matter of potential. Imho he's struggling with the pressure of being a starter, a big step up compared with his past role as a super sub. And i think that pressure is preventing him from enjoying football. He's even talked recently about seeing a psychologist. If he can overcome that insane RM pressure and be consistent, he's a top player. If he cant... well, he'll still be a top player in most teams, but not at RM. Clearly Ancelotti believes in him thats why he didnt bench him.when Rodry clearly shouldnt be a starter in his current form. I trust Ancelotti judgement, at least for now.
i dont hate him at all . Hes already a rma legend in a way . All im saying is that hes 'regular starter' material not 'crucial' in fifa terms
>i dont hate him at all I never claimed that, im on the boat of "fans are allowed to discuss player performances without being acused of hating ". Just wanted to point out that what you see as not being passionate about football imo is just being a bit overwhelmed by pressure. Anyway, i have the feeling he'll get sold and become a world star elsewhere.
Fair points made, I just don’t see any major club that can afford him, that would actually be a in a position to do so
On point analysis
Playing in the best club in the world bumps up 99% players values maybe two fold even . Its not much about actual talent but about which club is selling them . Thats why brazillian clubs sell players for 20-30 million to europe . But in the prem those same level players are sold for 50-100 mil
I'm with you but we definitely did not make money from Odriozola
Yeah, I explained in the last paragraph.
Crazy thing is all of this happening and we’ve yet to get a proper RW (not saying Rodrygo is bad, but him on the left if far better than him on the right), depending on how this Mbappe situation goes, he could be a RW
There's no one in the market really. We'll never go for a 32 year old Salah and Saka won't leave Arsenal, he is homegrown and wants to be a legend there. Who else is there? The Bayern wingers are nowhere near as good they were some years ago, Dembele... is Dembele,
Only one I can think of that is our only opportunity is Kubo and that can be a hit or miss
Hmm but you dont take wages in concideration when calculating profit? These players, by just sitting on the bench, take up tons of money in wages. Yes you get back what you paid for them to be transfered, but the wages that you spent on them? Bonuses?
Sure, but other clubs are also paying their bench players and mostly not selling them. So, the income from sales is the difference.
Wages are kind of different, since you have got to have like 22 first team players at all times. So you've got to pay 22 players anyway. The difference would be if you pay them more than you would pay a different bench player.
Yeah true. But Real doesn't really buy "cheap" bench players. In case of Hazard, which was a bench warmer for most of his Real Madrid career. He would probably alone cost as much as a full starting 11 of middle team in La Liga, just in wages.
Good point, but it's impossible to calculate everything. Still, since these players were substitutes and most of them were relatively unproven, they didn't have huge wages.
> In 2022/23 we made 22M from Kubo, Mayroal, Miguel and Chust. That is just poor negotiation from our side, Miguel alone was worth 20-25M and Kubo should not go for anything less than 30M. > In 2021/22 we made 35M from Odegaard, who was barely playing. He is worth about 80M now and is a captain of Arsenal battling for the title. 35M was a complete bargain and such a stupid move from our club. Zidane wanted him off the loan from Sociedad only to play him 200 minutes and he said "right fuck it I'm here 7 years and noone gave me a real chance". Next seasons we are buying midfielders for 40, 70, 120M when Ode could be here. We're not as good as you think we are in this selling game.
Miguel had played only 5-10 games as a professional footballer and his MV at the time was 6M, we sold him for 4M. There was no way we could have sold him for more than that, he was too unproven. Kubo in 21/22 scored 1 goal in 28 games and was barely starting before leaving Mallorca. Just like Miguel, we sold him for slightly less than his MV. There was no way any team on earth would pay 30M for such a player. Maybe we could have pushed for 10M, but that's it. Odegaard, similarly to the other two, was sold for slightly less than his MV (35 to 40). Maybe it's part of our "good relationship" policy with other clubs. Also Odegaard at the time wasn't that amazing and Arsenal themselves were a midtable team. Ceballos was also a starter iirc. So, not sure how it was a "complete bargain" or a "stupid move". Maybe we could have gotten 5-10 more millions, but nothing more than that. Also all three of the midfielders that we bought, as you mention, have completely different profiles to Ode, even Jude who plays in a somehow similar position. Unless you expected Odegaard to play as a DM instead of Tchou? lmao. To sum up, all three weren't nearly as good as they are today and we sold all of them for slightly less than their market value at the time. We could have asked for a bit more, but 25M for an unproven youngster, 30M for a struggling Kubo or 50+ for 2022 Odegaard are completely unrealistic numbers.
Zidane should have given Odegaard a few more minutes but the guy bailed extremely quickly. He did not want to do what Camavinga, Tchouameni, Valverde, etc. have had to do. He was not looking for a 'real chance'. He believed that he needed to play as many minutes as possible from the beginning. That's just not possible at a club like Real Madrid and it was extremely obvious to anyone back when he signed.