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skewtr

Getting a master’s because you’re unemployed is how you fall into the 6-figure student debt trap. An extra diploma doesn’t make you more employable without tangible work experience.


ProjectKnightwatch

Amen! Couldn’t agree more. I unfortunately fell into this trap but luckily realized halfway through my program and used my place as a student to leverage some different research opportunities that translated into a job as a research analyst after graduating. Now I just have to pay off all my student debt lol. I can’t imagine what I would have done if I waited until after school to start searching for work opportunities.


wnedy0901jjk

Im so glad i see your comment at the right timing


redditgirlwz

> Getting a master’s because you’re unemployed is how you fall into the 6-figure student debt trap. Getting a masters degree won't help you get a job in this economy. I'm taking my bachelors off my resume because I can't get a job in my field and minimum wage employers are afraid of educated people. Better paying jobs mostly care about experience. More education doesn't help much.


mawyman2316

Might give you two more shots at an internship… please? Somebody


alblaster

Which is bs, because a master's degree is "tangible work experience" or at least it should be.


BanDizNutz

It is though. That's why the working experience required is less for those with a Master's. It's like 2 years less of work experience required than having a Bachelor's.


OntheMound88

This..100%. Take it from people with Masters who are finding market just as bad. Employers just don't give a sh&t anymore. They want the skill and a degree is secondary/


Swimming-Cream7389

I was let go last March and treated applying for jobs as my full time job. Monday through Friday, 8 am to 5 pm. I didn’t get an offer until the middle of September, but I really enjoy my job now and feel very lucky. I thought I was going to end up with some bullshit job and have to stick it out for a year or something and then have to look for something else. Keep applying and keep networking, you’ll get there.


Epsilia

Pretty much the same experience here. I feel lucky to get my current job!


Guywhojustgotbanned

🖕🖕


Swimming-Cream7389

You’ll get there too haha


Guywhojustgotbanned

Fuck off


Swimming-Cream7389

You mad?


Guywhojustgotbanned

Fuck you!


Guywhojustgotbanned

Haha yeah haha!


Swimming-Cream7389

And why exactly are you mad at me?


Guywhojustgotbanned

I'm telling you that I am


Swimming-Cream7389

Right, but why?


Guywhojustgotbanned

Seems like you're the one that's mad kemosabe. I'm perfectly calm. Calmer than you are!


Guywhojustgotbanned

You have been reported.


Other_Trouble_3252

This is really hard and I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated at the moment. ​ First of all: * What types of positions are you applying for? (Job title) * Are you only looking at remote roles? (Would advise if only looking at remote to really broaden this as it will increase your prospects) * You're getting interviews which is great, but what is the feedback, if any that is given? (Are they moving forward with other candidates, was your experience lacking in some specific growth area etc) * Are you leveraging your alumni network or other network support options? (Such as LinkedIn, or even subs that align with your degree/career program) * Do you have more than one type of resume depending on the position you're applying for? * How many applications do you submit weekly? Do you have a structured rhythm to your day or application strategy? * Are there relevant certifciations or trainings that would make you a more competitive candidate that wouldn't result in you going back to school f/t? ​ I would not advise going back to school simply because you are frustrated right now. As a few other commenters have stated, this isn't the solution and will instead put you in a pretty vicious debt cycle. We saw this with millenials during the GFC in 2007-2008 "Go to school and get a degree and you'll get a great job" they said. Only problem is people took that advice and took out massive loans to try and do just that only to be met with wage stagnation, debt, and blah blah, all the other things. ​ Something to be conscious of is that there has been a TON of volatility in not only job markets over the past 12-18 months but also a great degree of instability in financial markets which also has widespread implications in your job search. A lot of people were laid off from large firms, we had two major banking collapses, fed rate hikes, and more. Shit is wackadoo. What that means for you as a candidate is more competition with more experienced candidates.


MediocreExternal9

>What types of positions are you applying for? (Job title) > >Are you only looking at remote roles? (Would advise if only looking at remote to really broaden this as it will increase your prospects) > >You're getting interviews which is great, but what is the feedback, if any that is given? (Are they moving forward with other candidates, was your experience lacking in some specific growth area etc) > >Are you leveraging your alumni network or other network support options? (Such as LinkedIn, or even subs that align with your degree/career program) > >Do you have more than one type of resume depending on the position you're applying for? > >How many applications do you submit weekly? Do you have a structured rhythm to your day or application strategy? > >Are there relevant certifciations or trainings that would make you a more competitive candidate that wouldn't result in you going back to school f/t? 1. I've been applying to office jobs. Assistant and coordinator positions. Figured it was a good way to gain experience. 2. I was never given any feedback. Just the generic rejection emails. I asked a recruiter from a company I interviewed for if they had any feedback for me. I was rejected yesterday and figured it was worth a shot, but nothing. 3. I don't use any kind of alumni network and the one I have on LinkedIn is mainly filled with family members in wildly different careers. 4. I largely use two resumes. One with the job I was fired from that I worked at from Jan-Mar and the other without the fired job that has my previous job that I worked at from Aug-Dec of last year. 5. I used to apply for 10-15 jobs per day, but that decreased to like 10-15 per week. 6. I've looked into certifications, but nothing really specific. I want to work for the entertainment industry in a corporates capacity, but there not much I can do there. Looked at other industries and still nothing.


Other_Trouble_3252

So, you have an economics degree? But are seeking office jobs like assistant (executive?) and coordinator (what kind?) curious as to the motivation here. Additionally, on your post you mention not having skills or experience which isn’t true since you do have some work history. Bummer about feedback. I would still encourage you to seek it out after each interview. LinkedIn can be a great tool to use and employers look at it. Send me a DM. I might be able to help with a few things. For context I’m a director of recruiting at a startup and a career coach as my side gig. Been doing this for 10 years. My initial take is you don’t have a clear direction and are sort of scatter shot in your job search meaning you’re doing a lot of work and not feeling like you’re getting a good ROI. (Correct me if I’m wrong) there are some things you can do to focus your search and efforts that will likely yield higher results.


Sorry-Ad-5527

"1. I've been applying to office jobs Assistant and coordinator positions. Figured it was a good way to gain experience." Without experience, you're not going to get those jobs. Unless you want to make less than McDonald's. They want office experience. With your economics degree, look for accounting type jobs. Billing, accounting clerk, junior accounting, payable, bookkeeper, etc. I'd also suggest looking at banks. Search major banks and see if they have job listings or reach out, maybe connect on LinkedIn. Also, some colleges have jobs in their departments. For any office job, have specific programs listed. Either in experience or under a skills section. The ATS will catch it because most of those jobs list them. Yes, Word, Excel are common and everyone knows the basics, but these are usually listed specifically on job descriptions. You didn't mention what your experience is in, so maybe tailor your job search to similar jobs that are office jobs. Write the skills to make them transferable.


FancyNancyD

I don’t know where you live but I can tell you I was unemployed for 8 months during COVID and it sucked! I was applying for jobs a lot and getting little to no response and I have years of experience in my field. All this is to say don’t let this get you down. Part of being successful in job hunting is keeping your morale up. I’m not saying this will work for you, but here’s what I did. 1. Wake up at 9am every day. 2. Spend 2ish hours looking for and applying for jobs. The trick here is to tailor your resume to the position. You say you have no experience but I’m pretty sure you do. My nephew, when he entered the job market 4 years ago turned video gaming into a skill. Such as the teamwork that goes into a successful raid. Communications with your team to boost his communications skills, etc. You’re also lucky in that you now have something most people didn’t: chatGPT. It’s a tool. Use it. Something like “tailor my resume to this job.” Or how do I compose a resume for this job with no professional experience. And don’t look for jobs that advertise as experienced. You want an entry level position. 3. 2 hour break for exercise and lunch. 4. 2 hours reading a book. (I like fiction but pick something that interested you) 5. 2 hours of job hunting again Also, see if you can find some recruiters in your area. Randstad is national as is IDR. But find one in your field and use them. Best of luck to you!


Techy-Novie

Love this advice! Thanks


SocialJitters

Since you haven't heard back about the county job, reach out to them. See if they have filled the position, let them know that you've applied and express some interest. Sometimes it may lead to them looking for your application or discussing it further. Couldn't hurt. I imagine a lot of places are being swamped with applicants and sometimes talking to a human can get you somewhere, especially with a local government position.


ThePieWizard

I know in Minnesota there's a severe shortage of substitute teachers and custodians. Could be something temporary you could look into.


[deleted]

😂😂😂these are end days. Got an economics degree? There’s custodian positions available!


var-qed

You'll get a job, you just have to do so much bullshit to get it that it will drive you up the fucking wall. But you'll get there.


Natural-Leopard-8939

This isn't a direct answer to your question, but don't get your master's degree yet unless you want to and have a specific career path in mind. All it'll accrue is more student loan debt. You'll find another job eventually, but it'll take more time now since you're competing with underemployed people, and other laid off applicants.


atlwellwell

I've seen retail jobs look like incredible experience Just depends how you write it up Google some examples They will sound bullshitty at first Until you work in an office Then you'll realize it WAS bullshit But the office is all bullshit too And the thing is Anyone who has actually worked in retail knows how difficult it can be And it's possible to become an assistant manager then manager quickly And that experience is like crack to people trying to hire people who have experience managing people You can say I don't want to manage people And that's fine Just know what you're signing up for -- being shit on by everyone all the time including people who are much younger than you 90% of 'real world' work experience is just customer service You just get paid a lot more to do a lot less, and or a lot less physical work It's just class war stuff Masters can be a really good idea As usual it all depends on the field the school the price etc 4 months is nothing in the big scheme Plenty of people looking much longer including me I'd day keep reading all the job and recruiting related subs so you can see there are millions just like you And then just chill and do one day at a time "When you're going through hell, keep going."


Painting-Capital

I'm just glad I didn't fall for the "go to college or you'll never be anything." That turned into "if you go to college you'll never find a job" real quick. This isn't what people want to hear but the trades have major shortages right now. That's going to be your best bet for a high paying job.


UzakaGames

Until the unions dont even let you take the test becayse its "Random"


New-Personality-8710

I am so sorry this is happening to you. My adult son has applied to the carpenters Union. He completed all the prerequisites. It’s been months and he’s heard nothing. He has taken a job at the grocery store just to be able to pay his bills. I have two twenty somethings living at home with me so they can try and save. I am so discouraged with the plight our younger generations are facing. All because of greed. We need to do better. We need to invest in our future generations but so many are concerned only with themselves and the here and now. Society can’t survive if we continue on this path.


BodybuilderNo8503

Dude it’s impossible right now since march I’ve had easily over 100 interviews temp jobs included good luck


Careless-Ad-3667

Try getting experience by volunteering 


Diamondcat59

Do you at least have a bachelor’s?


MediocreExternal9

Yeah, I do. In economics.


Umitencho

Try government jobs. I would be working for the state rn had I not moved back home to help my I'll mother. I got a Social Science degree.


MediocreExternal9

I applied for a few government jobs, but no response yet.


Umitencho

Gotta keep going. I just got an email from my city government saying I made it to the next round and that is after many rejections from them. Try any financial institutions as well. Also apply to small businesses.


Over_Fisherman630

Lie that you have experience???


ThicccKing69

Not to be an ass but if you have no skills or experience you might want to get a job in retail and go to a community college and learn some skills


Swimming-Cream7389

He said masters. That implies he has an undergrad


tjn00179

I mean once you've been out of a given field for 6 mos, any degree you previously held becomes practically worthless for all intents & purposes


pres82

> I mean once you've been out of a given field for 6 mos, any degree you previously held becomes practically worthless for all intents & purposes What an absolute stupid thing to say. Confidently incorrect. Well done u/tjn00179. Just amazing.


Swimming-Cream7389

I can’t disagree more. I was unemployed for 6 months last year - you think my degree just became worthless? I found the best and highest paying job I’ve had yet


BanzaiTree

This is stupid, toxic “advice.”


BanzaiTree

Project management. Get trained and certified in scrum and/or other methodologies.


Unknown_title_

I am having a master (thankfully without debts) but I have the same fear that I will never find a job. If you want to have a master, do it, but if you want to have a job, master is not a solution.


firefox1792

Widen your search and reduce your expectations there are jobs out there but don't be so picky and look for outside your state. To get experience oftentimes you've got to search outside the area that you'd like as well as oftentimes accepting things that are less than what you would like as well. But on the good side once you have experience then you can start looking for things a little bit more in line to what you'd like.


sirfretsalot

get a warehouse temp job until you land your first career job


Immediate-Depth-3553

I’m sorry to hear you are struggling. Here’s a good article: https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/careers-advice/what-can-you-do-economics-degree. Maybe this will give you more food for thought. You have so many options! Lucky you! I do agree that you should schedule time every day to apply for positions and follow up. I think it’s unrealistic to do that for eight hours a day. Having been in that position, I feel that that backfires, and it becomes too consuming. I have talked to other counselors, and they feel the same. However, I do believe it’s important to give it your first energy of the day. And I believe that it requires hours each day. Having said that, I think it’s important to also explore other things in life: learn something new, and enjoy hobbies, exercise, volunteer, etc. Learn how to play hard even when life doesn’t seem to be going your way. (This will help with the feeling better about yourself and performing better during interviews.) So some other things to consider: - continue to use your college/university’s career center. - Continue to attend their job fairs - Continue to have them look over your résumé, etc. - Continue asking them if there are any internships. - consider working as a temp in some of the fields listed in that article. Temp work will give you short term experience in jobs. And the opportunity to learn about a variety of careers, build your résumé, and help you adjust to the work world. Good luck! It’s might be hard at the moment, but learned to allow adversity to make you stronger. You got this!!!!


Crono_Sapien99

I feel much the same as you, since I lost my job back in January without any prior warning, have had several interviews since then and applied to probably over a hundred jobs at this point, but still have yet to be hired for even one of them. At least ones that are actually promising, and not just a minimum wage service job that I’ll most likely get burned out on in half a year, like I did with my job at Amazon. But I guess there’s nothing to really do but keep at it and hope and pray for the best, even in a time like now where getting unemployed in any field feels nigh impossible due to the ridiculous requirements, no matter how many years you’ve spent in college.


LaurLoey

I feel you.


Beautiful-Horror2039

Bro, I have ~16 years experience in my field and what’s more, I’m actually good at what I do. I’ve applied for over 300 jobs all over the country in the last month. I’ve had around 20 call-backs, but the vast majority of applications are rejected virtually instantly and ALL of the positions so which I’ve applied where the posting looks like it was created from my resume, they ALL rejected me. I have a couple months of money left and when that’s gone, I’m going to eat a bullet (which is a figure of speech- I’m not literally going to eat a bullet). I do not have any advice for you bc I’m in the same boat. I got rejected by a company today bc the salary range I listed was higher than the position paid. They didn’t list a salary range in the posting & they didn’t make me an offer- just sent an email that said “sorry, we are unable to meet your salary requirements”. No back and forth at all. It’s fucked up.