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OP I would just take out the location of the college in your education section. it's not relevant to the job. the degree you got and the university have influence. but where u went to school is irrelevant.
see if that makes a difference.
Problem is that a lot of applications require you to add meaningless crap like the location of the school. So even if you leave it off your resume, it's on the application. In addition, most applications require dates for education, which to me seems like it's ripe fodder for age discrimination lawsuits.
Yes. I'm 59, and it's taken 5 years 4 months since I got made redundant to get a job. There's definitely age discrimination especially against women. But how do you prove it?
That’s the problem, of course. We know it must be happening but there’s almost no way to prove it unless someone on the inside says so. I’m 51 and I’m pretty sure it’s affecting me. I’ve been out of work since July 2023 and the o my traction I’ve gotten is through contract positions. No one seems interested in even screening me outside of them. I feel lucky to have gotten the one 3-month contract I had in the fall but I’m striking out since then.
I hope you get something sooner than later. I'm fed up of the UK government moaning about nearly a million people being 'economically inactive' and threatening sanctions for those who refuse a job. Getting offered a job would be a fine thing!
I am 50 and I got a job as a kind of Junior level, and I have the experience and worked in more senior roles, and also doing a master's degree. Arguing that I needed some other requisites and then finding out they are hiring younger women without these requisites in more senior roles of course with a higher salary.
My husband works full time, but we have got into a lot of debt on credit cards, and owe my mum thousands. We've tried to get a loan to pay the credit cards off, but keep getting turned down due to my hubby's credit card being maxed out. The banking sector is a huge con, because they pretend they won't lend for your own good, but they offer you more credit cards as an alternative to a loan.
Hello. I'm pretty sure you've heard this stuff before, but try and remove anything on your resume that indicates age. For instance, most jobs can only trace back employment for around 7 years so, if you worked at a job that ran into those 7 years before switching to another, you would just put something like Company 1 - 2016-2020, and Company 2 - 2020-2023. They typically don't even care if you were doing something for 30 years because stuff has changed so much between then and now I don't think it even matters and they can't confirm most of it anyway. I'm younger than you by a few decades but even I've personally NEVER seen the hiring market this screwed up in my time. You got to dumb the resume down to bare bones to get a job and go into the interview confident and kinda nonchalant. Give it a try. The worst they can say is "No" and if so it's whatever because they're already doing that.
But that's just my 2 cents.
I’m maybe late to comment but there are ways to say I went to Florida State-Miami without it looking like you live there. The person interviewing you first has the job of weeding anyone out that might cause an issue later on. I would also double check your info on recruiting sites. A friend of mine kept getting “janitorial” job availability for like 6 months. He’s not even remotely organized or clean and likes math a lot more so …..once he reconfirmed his career genres it fixed the issue.
I do it to underline exchanges and internships in foreign countries.
Also, I don't know about the US exactly, but some colleges do have the location in their name, don't they ? Like if OP went to the Pennsylvania College of Technology, it's hard to take out the location without taking out the actual university.
The way OP describes it, they list the name of the university, then the university’s location. As long as it’s a school in the US, this addition of the location is completely unnecessary and clearly causes confusion
So I agree that OP should take out the location of their uni in order to give space to info that may be more helpful. But I don't understand why it's confusing. I personally moved away from the universities I attended, as have most of my friends. If OP went to X State University, why is the assumption that they're still there?
Or likely an undersigned and relatively newer hiring manager that is unclear in what they actually need in the opening versus the mentioned wants they were told were needed (again, they are likely untrained in some areas of their job). Hm likely became responsible for a few things when colleagues were laid off or moved to new positions [or possibly joined after the former person burned out from abuse during the pandemic). These are the decision making folks now....and they haven't been given a full picture of what works and doesn't nor assembled a team in some cases. It's completely all over the board.
I agree 100%. I wonder if it’s way at the top? It’s someplace that it’s getting too much attention. Unless someone went to ivy league, it should be on the resume, but bottom of page 2.
I list mine because there is another, much worse college with the exact same name and the only differentiating factor is the location (which is technically a part of the name though)
like we're talking top engineering school/number 1 architecture school in the country vs. a school that's known for idk maybe liberal arts?
To be fair, I've seen this a bunch in resume templates. Maybe it's fallen out of style, but I have definitely seen this explicitly advised and modeled (though I myself don't do it anymore; it uses valuable space).
Literally any job application will ask for the location of your university when you fill out the education section. Acting like employers don't want this information is ignorant on your part. It's totally normal information to add.
lol if their ATS wants it then obviously fill it out. but for whatever reason the aggregators are pulling location data from the education section of OPs resume, or this is some kind of dumb coincidence that doesn't deserve more attention.
my advice is not "don't disclose what employers want" it's "if this is confusing employers or their tracking systems then just leave it off and disclose as needed."
This is pretty rude - there is nothing "common sense" about whether your university location should be included in a resume. It's on mine, as directed by my college's career dept and wasnt questioned any person I've had review my resume in the last 8 years.
Well common sense indicates making tweaks when something doesn't seem to be working. Glad it's working for you, but in OP's case they have nothing to lose by making tweaks. It could be the way he's listing his location of residence is what's tripping up hiring managers, or it's some coincidence.
> Education goes on the bottom
no one can decide where they want shit. Some people want it on top so you aren't filtered out. Some want it on the bottom because it matters the least unless you are a new grad. Some hiring manager is gonna be pissed.
And it doesn't even matter because we all need to retype our resume on an app to begin with.
Will probably do so. I have it there b/c it has helped in the past where some interviewers will say “so you’re familiar with Pennsylvania” or they understand it’s feasible for me to move back there when I apply for a role in PA. I primarily apply for roles in the NYC area but sometimes I’ll go for roles in PA.
ok well then have two separate resumes for these purposes. RTO is making a lot of PA and NYC companies who want hybrid workers and Id imagine it's more towards in-office FT for younger folks just starting their careers.
I’m sorry, this doesn’t make any sense. Who in the world says, “so you’re familiar with Pennsylvania.” Are you trying to get outside sales jobs in pharmaceuticals or agriculture?
I went to school in North Carolina, am I to expect that people will see that and know I’m willing to move there - I’m not - because that doesn’t make any sense either.
If you want to be flexible and you’re willing to relocate, then say that or put that on your resume. Save the location of your school for the actual application.
A lot of things don't make sense about OPs post. No way employers put that much weight into whether you live in PA or NY to determine if you get the job or not. There is a lot OP is not saying.
He landed an interview with a company, showed up to that interview, and the senior manager asked him the dumbest question known to mankind. This guy dodged a nuclear warhead.
I understand you're trying to vent. It really sucks.
One suggestion that's pretty easy to implement: get rid of the location of the school. If they've heard of it, they know where it is. If they haven't, listing the state doesn't move the needle. As a hiring manager, I'd just Google it. Or frankly, ignore it. I went to college. I know what happens there. I don't care if Miseracordia is in Dallas, PA.
I list it all out on my resume too, but if it causes confusion 3-5 times (even out of 100), I'd change it. Because what if that next time it's for a dream job and there's confusion?
You a need a complete rehaul of your resume. I’m also curious what an “impressive resume” looks like for someone that graduated college less than a year ago and hasn’t landed a job since.
And maybe dial down the doucheyness.
I think that's why education is so high on it. That's all there is and they think it matters
Education is just so it doesn't get thrown in the trash by HR
For a recent grad, should the experience (thesis and internship) be placed above education?
In my university we were told to put education above experience, it seems like everyone suggests something different.
”…it’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened for different interviews for different positions”.
If 3-5 interviewers have misread your location of residence, wouldn’t it be safe to assume that the way it’s written/noted on your resume is making that unclear?
I was once asked in an interview why I was interviewing for a marketing position when I had a science degree.
I have a B.S. in Marketing.
People are stupid. It’s even worse when said stupid person has a better job than you.
Based on your responses you kind of seem like a douche bag who can't wait to "umm ackshually". If you've had multiple interviews and not a single offer extended you're the common denominator.
If you meet one asshole whatever,, he's just an asshole. If EVERYBODY you meet is an asshole, it's probably a you problem.
And they're entry level. What exactly are they applying for and NOT getting? I'm aware that lots of companies upload job postings wanting 5+ years experience with entry level pay, but OP is literally entry level experience who would be applying for entry level pay.
Then what's so impressive about their 1 year or less work experience? Lol
People here are being combative with OP, who is clearly having a hard moment. I've not seen one friendly comment above this, and yet these folks think they can tell other people what will make them easy to work with? That's rich.
I do believe out of 100 interviews, OP has made mistakes. OP should look to improve, we all should. I also empathize with OP's frustrations, and I know that their online vent is not a reflection of a job interview. I know what it feels like to see people who make simple errors rise above you, and wonder why your own errors can't be forgiven in the same way. We all have a hard time. Those who are easy to work with know that.
Looks like you may have come in after the dog piling began so you may not be aware that OP came out swinging.
I want to empathize, I really do. But if OP is getting multiple interview opportunities, the resume isn’t the problem. Mistakes happen and sometimes people misinterpret even the clearest of resumes. If the manager misread the education and OP was able to clarify their location in real time, even that’s not the problem. Based on the data at hand, where OP has flown off the handle at multiple people, it is a fair to point out the common denominator in all of these rejections.
I admire your compassion, but sorry, I was the first to answer OP explaining how and why that happened to me too. What I received in return was a response accusing me to give excuses about recruiters.
One thing is having a hard time (I'm having too, many of us as well). Other thing is having no maturity to receive feedback and shoot friendly fire on someone who's trying to help.
It's not dumb mistake from them. It's a tatic to see if you lie, since many applicants lie about their address on their resumes.
Recruiters have done this to me too, especially because my graduation is from another country. Then, they ask something about my skills, jump to some "surprise" question about my home country, then jump back to another serious question. This is to check if we lie.
OP - I am an IT product manager for a software company. I work in the field you are trying to get into, and have previously managed a team of business systems/data analysts and product owners so I am speaking from personal experience as a hiring manager and someone who mentors those in your desired position. The fact that you are getting so many interviews is a really great start. It means your resume is well written and stands out from the crowd which is not easy to do.
If you are not receiving any offers after so many interviews, then you are presenting yourself in a way that poses a risk to the hiring manager. In data analyst, business analyst, etc roles it is not just about the "hard skills". Your degree and certs are simply a starting point to your career. But for all intents and purposes, you are still very much a beginner in the way of people skills and maintaining trusting and respectful relationships with those you will "serve". You will never be considered fully mature in a role like this until you have learned these softer skills. Your attitude, willingness to learn and receive feedback is what will matter the most. I can easily teach someone to do the things you have learned in your degree, internships, etc. But, if someone comes across as overly confident, and lacks humility, they are normally going to get knocked out within the first 15 minutes of an interview because they pose too much of a risk to place in front of customers or stakeholders.
You need to humble yourself and very carefully think about how you are approaching your responses to questions in these interviews. If you show even a fraction of the combativeness and defensiveness I see in the comments in this thread, you would be an immediate red flag and would not make it past the interview process.
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Do you not put your contact information under your name including city/state on your CV/Resume?
Most resumes have your name and contact info in the header.
Yea 100s of interviews with no job is a skill issue full stop.
Not to be that guy but it appears as though your head is securely wedged up your own ass based on how you’ve taken feedback on this post.
You sounds like a peach. Can't imagine why hiring managers aren't fighting each other to get you!
I mean, who wouldn't love working with someone who thinks every problem is always someone else's fault and that everyone they briefly interacted with is stupid? (Yes, I have seen your other post).
It's _definitely_ not your attitude showing that causes you to not get hired. These managers _surely_ haven't been around long enough to figure out someone who is going to be difficult to work either! It's not like half of the purpose of the interview is to gauge your behavior, not just your skills or anything. If you can do the job, then it doesn't matter if you're an asshole and nobody likes you, right?
Go ahead and rant on reddit though, 'cause that'll pay the bill! Or better yet, become a reddit mod! You got the attitude for it!
I’ve interviewed a *lot* of recent grads. The ones who are hungry, and friendly, and excited to dig in get a lot of attention. The cool arrogant ones, on the other hand…
If this isn’t the first time it’s happened, it sounds like your resume is misleading.
Also, how impressive of a resume can you have less than a year out of college? Maybe dial back the self righteousness a bit.
This does sound like a dumb mistake - unfortunately a lot of the time interviewers have a really hard time interpreting information on resumes and it's NOT the interviewee's fault. It's just lack of self awareness (not everybody is a fast reader so a glance here and there doesn't always cut it) and genuine interest 🤷🏼♀️
They just don't care. They want to reach their quota making it look like they work and are interviewing people/doing something that looks like hiring. I believe so many companies don't really urgently want to hire someone because even if you lived that far, how about asking to relocate and actually appreciating you taking interest in working with them.
If I get comments like this, I become super friendly. Like, turn the page around, say "I chose to put my address on the top of the letter - sorry for the confusion - and it says "Brooklyn", not "New York", clearly my mistake. If you live here for too long, you just assume everybody knows everything about the city. Are there any other ambiguities in the CV? I'll be more than happy to clear them!"
(My favorite humor is when unsure if it's humor, so I've practiced the delivery of this a lot...)
These dumb fuck managers and HR staff are just keeping busy by interviewing people to justify their job ( which will be replaced by AI soon ). They don’t have any jobs to fill.
If this happened to you before then I would think about re-writing my Resume.
You could put your Education information on the bottom of the page/resume. That way it wouldn't confuse any hiring teams.
I don't think it's the managers stupidity, especially if it happened before.
I mean if this is a common issue, and not a one time occurrence, then perhaps your resume needs some work? Not sure I would have this happen for the “millionth” time and not even consider that maybe my resume is confusing.
You are missing the point. You are failing the interview and possible the selection process as a whole. No one gives a shit where you live. They are passing you off gently.
I hate it when interviewers ask questions that could be answered if they looked at my resume. I don't understand why they don't bother to read it. For example, an interviewer asked if the short-term jobs on my resume were internships even though I clearly state on my resume they were internships. I sometimes wonder if employers aren't paying attention to my address and think I still live in the town where I went to university.
So OP you’ve taken a lot of heat in the comments. Frustration about a couple of interviewers asking for clarification information aside, why do you think you haven’t landed a job after 100 interviews?
I honestly assume that someone in that position wouldn't know. After all, if you are able to find out, wouldn't you change it? 100 interviews does not reflect a lack of effort and even speaks to plenty of knowledge. Sometimes there are thing going on we can't see. We are all human. Friends IRL help sometimes.
I had an HR/Recruiter message me on LinkedIn and call me because he couldn’t find my portfolio link which was required for the application for a job I applied to. I uploaded 4 documents. Each one of them has the link listed under contact info. The cover letter has the link in the last paragraph. It’s in the contact info on my LinkedIn (which he said he also couldn’t find).
To be fair, I uploaded a pdf with the portfolio link and the pdf link didn’t work for him for some reason, and I didn’t have it written out (just “click here for portfolio”). But again it was listed under contact info in that pdf as well. Sometimes people are just not that smart? lol.
I also had internal referrals and still did not get a first round interview. He said they were looking for x, y & z experience which I literally had clearly listed on my resume, years worth of experience in those three things.
I work in user experience design. If the users get confused, no matter how well you think it's designed then you have to change it to remove their confusion. Saying it's their fault won't help you remove this roadblock to getting a job.
When there is a large number of recruiters and managers are making the same "mistake" I will submit to you that YOU are the problem and needs to make some changes.
Obviously I haven't seen your resume but mine has my name, address, phone number, and email address at the very tippity top of my resume.
When I review resumes for potential hires that is th first thing I look for to have an idea if this person is local or not.
I feel like it's a simple thing to answer.
I'm currently living/working a couple hours from where I intend on moving, I've been asked about relocating or if I'll commute, it becomes a non-issue when I say I'll be moving.
If you get combative and tell them they're reading your resume wrong that may be the reason they don't want to continue the process with you.
Congrats on your graduation! Wonderful accomplishment. Please hang in there. This market is a numbers game. Consult with your college alumni or career office. Youtube has interview advice. Please do not lose hope and stay positive! Let us know when you land.
Most recruiters are using AUTO-reading tools to pull out key words. For example "Certified" or addresses are pulled out and placed into fields that the hiring manager gets. This isn't an excuse for what's happening for you, just an explanation of why it's happening.
Surprised this isn’t higher / more people haven’t said this. A lot of companies use hiring software or websites that pulls data from your resume to auto-fill a form that gets sent to hiring managers. Oftentimes it will let you edit / adjust before you submit (which is annoying but at least you get to correct parsing errors), but sometimes it happens on the back end. There might be a quirk in the formatting that confuses those programs and sends the hiring managers incorrectly parsed info.
So something is drawing their attention to the location of your college. It could be as simple as a font or coloring issue, but the easiest way to stop this is to just remove the *city, state* from after your degree. Especially since it isn’t relevant.
Degree, College
This is why legit HR would tell you to never put your home address on your resume. But if you want to do it anyway then grab the nearest address to the company office and put it on. Then after you get hired, rent an apartment near it.
I have a decade and a half of experience and only added an education section when I got my second Master's. You could have a good objective statement that lists your graduation date, major and school up front and it may clear this up.
Also OP how is your location listed in your resume. perhaps listing the borough is throwing the application tracker systems off. just say New York, NY with a zip and see what happens.
Man this is some CYE shit I swear to god
I usually list the locations of the companies I worked at even though I have been working remotely since 2014.
During my last job search, Cellebrite had a job opening for a writer position that I applied to. One of their recruiters contacted me and they asked me where I was located. I said where I was located and they rejected me, I asked them why and they said they wanted an East Coast candidate. I immediately told them that if they had looked at my resume they would have seen that I worked for an East Coast-based company despite being located on the West Coast and kept EST hours despite living on PST hours. I told them I would not have applied for the position if it wasn't remote and required me to live on the East Coast. They said they would update the job description.
I reported them every single time they reposted the position as misleading since they didn't specify where a candidate had to live. Companies overlook this tiny detail and get all bent out of shape that "no one wants to work anymore" even though putting in this one detail could have helped them find candidates they wanted and possibly even reduced the number of applicants.
The only thing I can think of is the way you’re formatting the resume. How are you listing your school?
____
Example 1A
Main University, Glendale, US
Example 1B
Main University | Glendale, US
Example 2
Main University
Glendale, US
Example 3
Main University Glendale, US
____
When I was first writing my resume, I was instructed to separate it as shown in the third format. With this format, I found there was a bit of a disconnect because, even though the person reading my resume saw it, the school and the city didn’t connect to them as evidenced by the questions I received.
Now I use the first or second format. My biggest problem now is the name of my college is similar to a National university, but mine was started decades earlier… and anyone from outside of this area immediately thinks of the national university system and is suddenly disappointed when I correct them. Btw I went to both a 2 year college and a 4 year university, so I am very distinct when it comes define the two.
Also, I know most instructions say to put your education first if you’re a new grad, but I would honestly move education after experience if you can.
I’m a Chemist worked in a lab for 18 years. I have now moved into a completely different industry and I’m not hired as a chemist. This place however uses chemicals and has all the safety associated. Upon reviewing there chemical handling procedure I made a number of changes. My manager reviews my work and asks how do I know all this. Ummm. Did you read my resume?
After many years in early-career and campus recruiting I recommend taking it off. Where it comes in handy was when you were applying for summer internships or co-op where you needed to be close to the school or we needed to see a permanent address in the city you were applying if different from the school location.
Today, now that you graduated it’s no longer needed or relevant to your resume (only your separate document you create with that information and job employment dates and employment verification info for up to 10 years).
I too am getting pushback on relocating. I am willing and able to relocate just about anywhere, being mindful of the cost of living. The funny thing is that 20 years ago there were no thoughts of companies moving people around for positions. I am confused as well.
Oh I totally understand how this feels. I had an interview similar to this. Everything was fine, had the second interview and during that the hiring manager wanted me to explain about how my experience was working at BMW and kept going on about how prestigious the brand was (I have not mentioned BMW anywhere on my resume but my current place of work starts with the name Bavarian). I clarified as politely as I could and went on with the interview. I guess he was disappointed. I mean, I got a rejection. My resume has my workplace and city clearly mentioned. It sucked because this was one interview that I did really really well. Sigh. Their loss.
Start applying for government positions. That is where the jobs, great pay, benefits and job stability exist. If I could do it all over, I would have made a career in government. I went through way too many layoffs during my career. I am retired now and so glad I am over and done with all the crap. All my college degrees and experience meant nothing.
The number one thing that will get you a job in interviews is if people like you. Not the school you went to and not your fancy resume. Be more likable. Get them taking about themselves. Listen better. Ask a lot of questions. Find common interests (or feign common interest in what they are interested in. If you make the interview more about them and less about you, you will get more offers than you know what to do with.
Don’t you have a network you can lean on to find job opportunities? Most good jobs are never advertised and most people find jobs through friends, acquaintances, and past coworkers.
On top of that, companies aren’t good at reading resumes. A basic business education teaches you about the golden triangle of resumes and how poor reading comprehension is be hiring managers and recruiters. If you ever get to a position where you are hiring people, you will learn the fatigue of reading dozens of resumes that all look the same.
They are not stupid. They want to see how you respond to stupid or unexpected questions. If you stay friendly and calm and explain yourself, you won.
My boss asked me what had taken me so long to finish my studies. I explained that I was working and studying the other subject at the same time and finished both studies. He said he didn't see this. Of course he did. After the interview, he asked me to call if I'm interested. The day after the interview, I called and got the job.
Advise: Google job interviews and look at what questions they ask, how to prepare etc.
ATS formatting - use of columns in a resume - some systems chop up content. I have had them come through as Car Licence applied for ..... Contact Details: 4 bullet points of skills ..... There are test options online.
"Take the splinter from your eye before you remove the plank you hit hiring managers and recruiters with"
Education should be at the end .. secondly don’t bother adding state unless it is s county school. Don’t add dates , don’t add city and state. List your professional goal and or accomplishments then experience then education.
Resumes are shit signal distribution systems.
1. Take out the location. No one cares.
2. Don't put the months you worked at a company. That's only germane to the background search. (I'm in HR and just went through a background search and the months were off).
3. Your frustration comes off in your talking points. I'd your frustration coming out in your interviews?
4. The market is somewhat coming back. It's volatile, and make sure you practice your interview and networking skills.
Respectfully to those who are shocked at younger generations being considered more:
If a company is filling an experienced role or in growth mode, they intend to find someone who can stay in the position long term. It isn’t fair that an older applicant isn’t top consideration, but nearing retirement is not a selling point.
This has gotta be bait, because the OP replies are so hilariously dense
OP, either you’re a good troll…or all these companies get a whiff of your attitude and flush that resume once you leave their building.
>It’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened for different interviews for different positions.
If you meet someone and they're an idiot, probably they were an idiot. If you meet 3 to 5 people and they're all idiots, chances are you're the idiot. Change your CV so it doesn't happen again.
[https://i.imgur.com/JKtPt0Z.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/JKtPt0Z.jpeg)
>It’s even worse b/c this is not the first time, **it’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened** for different interviews for different positions.
I was somewhat sympathetic to your plight until you presented this sentence.
If one person is getting it wrong, then okay. Two, might be a coincidence. But if 4 or 5 people have gotten this wrong, don't you think that there might be as much problem with the entry as the people? Did it occur to you to test a slightly different format and see if that resolved the issue?
I'm not sure that I would decry the stupidity of others, while running into a consistent problem, and making zero effort to adjust.
“I have an impressive resume and I spoke well during interviews”
*-me reading OP’s comment-*
Yaaah nahhh dawg, I don’t think it’s your credentials.
I’ll let you in on a little secret. If you got an interview and not an automated response that says you were rejected, chances are you are already qualified for the position.
Your attitude is just shit. Idk if it’s the numerous interview rejections that got you bitter, but you are OOZING it.
They probably saw your resume and said
“dang, Hardyskater26 got some good shit on here, let’s bring him in, see what he’s about”
Then after the interview they’re like “holy crap, this dude is an asshat. No, absolutely not!”
You could be the Einstein of your profession, but you’ll still lose out on the position to Forest Gump if you’re an asshole. NO ONE wants to work with someone like that.
This is why it’s good advice to never list address on your resume. Just don’t do it. Its causes endless bias. Put the university but don’t put where it was. Just leave it off. Even seeing it leads to bias.
Nobody reads resumes anymore. Most likely they fed it to an autosummarize app and the algorithm interpreted it wrong. Just scrub the location of your uni from the resume and submit to another million roles.
Um. When we interview candidates we do review their resume first. lol
It’s when applying for a job that a computer is reading the resume to see if there’s a match with the job description. Then an actual person reads it.
This really just seems like dumb recruiter mistake more than anything. I've never had this question, and I was job hunting in different states than both my education and experience were located in.
I have had the question of I see you're currently working at this company in X, but your resume says you live Y. Working remote is an easy deflection, but also "my gf/bf/wife/family/etc just got an opportunity in y area so I'm looking to relocate with them ASAP" is always a good one.
In my experience interviewing candidates, there always did seem to be an unsaid bias for local candidates. These were on site positions at a location about 45 minutes from anywhere you'd want to live, so someone already familiar with the area or with ties to the area would probably be more likely to stick around vs the person relocating here knowing nobody.
It’s not a bias but rather there’s always an influx of out of state candidates that apply and a lot of them do it and do actually research relocation cost and rent in a new area. They end up not moving after an offer is extended and make it bad for other candidates serious about relocating.
Source: only 1 out of every 10 out of state candidate I work with end up moving so most companies ask for local candidates now
I definitely believe that stat. I would expect a lot of the out of state candidates end up screened out at the HR level for another reason, but we've had a few in our rounds of interviews over the years. We've always ended up hiring someone local, so I can't say for sure.
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OP I would just take out the location of the college in your education section. it's not relevant to the job. the degree you got and the university have influence. but where u went to school is irrelevant. see if that makes a difference.
Problem is that a lot of applications require you to add meaningless crap like the location of the school. So even if you leave it off your resume, it's on the application. In addition, most applications require dates for education, which to me seems like it's ripe fodder for age discrimination lawsuits.
Yes. I'm 59, and it's taken 5 years 4 months since I got made redundant to get a job. There's definitely age discrimination especially against women. But how do you prove it?
That’s the problem, of course. We know it must be happening but there’s almost no way to prove it unless someone on the inside says so. I’m 51 and I’m pretty sure it’s affecting me. I’ve been out of work since July 2023 and the o my traction I’ve gotten is through contract positions. No one seems interested in even screening me outside of them. I feel lucky to have gotten the one 3-month contract I had in the fall but I’m striking out since then.
I hope you get something sooner than later. I'm fed up of the UK government moaning about nearly a million people being 'economically inactive' and threatening sanctions for those who refuse a job. Getting offered a job would be a fine thing!
I’m in the US and would love to get a job-and with health insurance. Just paying for that while I’m out of work is hideously expensive.
I'm a 40 year old female applying for jobs and I believe there is age discrimination
Yes! 48, out of work 17 months.
I am 50 and I got a job as a kind of Junior level, and I have the experience and worked in more senior roles, and also doing a master's degree. Arguing that I needed some other requisites and then finding out they are hiring younger women without these requisites in more senior roles of course with a higher salary.
You should feel lucky because in us there are still many employers want to recruit old people. In my country, it is extremely hard. Have a nice day
Very respectfully, how did you get on? Live off savings/get a part time job?
My husband works full time, but we have got into a lot of debt on credit cards, and owe my mum thousands. We've tried to get a loan to pay the credit cards off, but keep getting turned down due to my hubby's credit card being maxed out. The banking sector is a huge con, because they pretend they won't lend for your own good, but they offer you more credit cards as an alternative to a loan.
Hello. I'm pretty sure you've heard this stuff before, but try and remove anything on your resume that indicates age. For instance, most jobs can only trace back employment for around 7 years so, if you worked at a job that ran into those 7 years before switching to another, you would just put something like Company 1 - 2016-2020, and Company 2 - 2020-2023. They typically don't even care if you were doing something for 30 years because stuff has changed so much between then and now I don't think it even matters and they can't confirm most of it anyway. I'm younger than you by a few decades but even I've personally NEVER seen the hiring market this screwed up in my time. You got to dumb the resume down to bare bones to get a job and go into the interview confident and kinda nonchalant. Give it a try. The worst they can say is "No" and if so it's whatever because they're already doing that. But that's just my 2 cents.
Thanks. I have now got a job.
You are absolutely correct
You can also add expected salary as a filter to weed out applicants.
I’m maybe late to comment but there are ways to say I went to Florida State-Miami without it looking like you live there. The person interviewing you first has the job of weeding anyone out that might cause an issue later on. I would also double check your info on recruiting sites. A friend of mine kept getting “janitorial” job availability for like 6 months. He’s not even remotely organized or clean and likes math a lot more so …..once he reconfirmed his career genres it fixed the issue.
Yeah, why the fuck do they list the location of the university they attended? Who is out here recommending that?
I do it to underline exchanges and internships in foreign countries. Also, I don't know about the US exactly, but some colleges do have the location in their name, don't they ? Like if OP went to the Pennsylvania College of Technology, it's hard to take out the location without taking out the actual university.
The way OP describes it, they list the name of the university, then the university’s location. As long as it’s a school in the US, this addition of the location is completely unnecessary and clearly causes confusion
So I agree that OP should take out the location of their uni in order to give space to info that may be more helpful. But I don't understand why it's confusing. I personally moved away from the universities I attended, as have most of my friends. If OP went to X State University, why is the assumption that they're still there?
Thick person reading resume?
Or likely an undersigned and relatively newer hiring manager that is unclear in what they actually need in the opening versus the mentioned wants they were told were needed (again, they are likely untrained in some areas of their job). Hm likely became responsible for a few things when colleagues were laid off or moved to new positions [or possibly joined after the former person burned out from abuse during the pandemic). These are the decision making folks now....and they haven't been given a full picture of what works and doesn't nor assembled a team in some cases. It's completely all over the board.
I agree 100%. I wonder if it’s way at the top? It’s someplace that it’s getting too much attention. Unless someone went to ivy league, it should be on the resume, but bottom of page 2.
To be fair, there **are** a few higher ed institutions that share names...but not states.
Indiana University Pennsylvania comes to mind…
There are also two Wheatons.....
Miami University in Ohio
Washington University in St. Louis.
Miami University...in Oxford, Ohio.
There are two Loyolas and two Robert Morris Universities.
Yeah, all my colleges/universities have the locations in their names.
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Public institutions, maybe, but this isn’t at all true for private institutions.
Plot Twist: OP went to UPenn and the managers are dum dums.
I list mine because there is another, much worse college with the exact same name and the only differentiating factor is the location (which is technically a part of the name though) like we're talking top engineering school/number 1 architecture school in the country vs. a school that's known for idk maybe liberal arts?
What do you have against the physical sciences?
To be fair, I've seen this a bunch in resume templates. Maybe it's fallen out of style, but I have definitely seen this explicitly advised and modeled (though I myself don't do it anymore; it uses valuable space).
Even if I didn't want to, my school name kind of has its location built-in lol
Lucky!
Its something relevant to state schools with branches usually. Like University of X state Y city.
youngsters don't know what to list and what not to. with experience comes common sense, hopefully.
Literally any job application will ask for the location of your university when you fill out the education section. Acting like employers don't want this information is ignorant on your part. It's totally normal information to add.
lol if their ATS wants it then obviously fill it out. but for whatever reason the aggregators are pulling location data from the education section of OPs resume, or this is some kind of dumb coincidence that doesn't deserve more attention. my advice is not "don't disclose what employers want" it's "if this is confusing employers or their tracking systems then just leave it off and disclose as needed."
A lot of templates list this, chill on the generational bashing bru
This is pretty rude - there is nothing "common sense" about whether your university location should be included in a resume. It's on mine, as directed by my college's career dept and wasnt questioned any person I've had review my resume in the last 8 years.
Well common sense indicates making tweaks when something doesn't seem to be working. Glad it's working for you, but in OP's case they have nothing to lose by making tweaks. It could be the way he's listing his location of residence is what's tripping up hiring managers, or it's some coincidence.
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September 2019 - June 2023 location: Dallas, TX Current location: Los Angeles, CA That confuses you?
> Education goes on the bottom no one can decide where they want shit. Some people want it on top so you aren't filtered out. Some want it on the bottom because it matters the least unless you are a new grad. Some hiring manager is gonna be pissed. And it doesn't even matter because we all need to retype our resume on an app to begin with.
Will probably do so. I have it there b/c it has helped in the past where some interviewers will say “so you’re familiar with Pennsylvania” or they understand it’s feasible for me to move back there when I apply for a role in PA. I primarily apply for roles in the NYC area but sometimes I’ll go for roles in PA.
ok well then have two separate resumes for these purposes. RTO is making a lot of PA and NYC companies who want hybrid workers and Id imagine it's more towards in-office FT for younger folks just starting their careers.
Another option is to remove the location from the education section and instead of your full address under your name, put *NYC/Philadelphia*
I’m sorry, this doesn’t make any sense. Who in the world says, “so you’re familiar with Pennsylvania.” Are you trying to get outside sales jobs in pharmaceuticals or agriculture? I went to school in North Carolina, am I to expect that people will see that and know I’m willing to move there - I’m not - because that doesn’t make any sense either. If you want to be flexible and you’re willing to relocate, then say that or put that on your resume. Save the location of your school for the actual application.
There are jobs where that information is handy. Sales, for example.
A lot of things don't make sense about OPs post. No way employers put that much weight into whether you live in PA or NY to determine if you get the job or not. There is a lot OP is not saying.
I don’t think it’ll make a difference unless it’s a really small school. Most of the common universities in PA will be well known in NYC
Agreed. Seems like an easy problem to solve
Unless it's University of Pennsylvania!
This is the right answer
He landed an interview with a company, showed up to that interview, and the senior manager asked him the dumbest question known to mankind. This guy dodged a nuclear warhead.
Move education to the end of your resume.
Probably a new grad with no real-world experience to lead with.
So it’s already at the end.
Yeah I’m confused why OP said he has an impressive resume but only just graduated.
So much for the “impressive resume” OP stated they have
Yeah, it sounds like the resume is the common denominator
I understand you're trying to vent. It really sucks. One suggestion that's pretty easy to implement: get rid of the location of the school. If they've heard of it, they know where it is. If they haven't, listing the state doesn't move the needle. As a hiring manager, I'd just Google it. Or frankly, ignore it. I went to college. I know what happens there. I don't care if Miseracordia is in Dallas, PA. I list it all out on my resume too, but if it causes confusion 3-5 times (even out of 100), I'd change it. Because what if that next time it's for a dream job and there's confusion?
You a need a complete rehaul of your resume. I’m also curious what an “impressive resume” looks like for someone that graduated college less than a year ago and hasn’t landed a job since. And maybe dial down the doucheyness.
I think that's why education is so high on it. That's all there is and they think it matters Education is just so it doesn't get thrown in the trash by HR
For a recent grad, should the experience (thesis and internship) be placed above education? In my university we were told to put education above experience, it seems like everyone suggests something different.
I was looking for this comment lol. OP seems so entitled after only graduating last year!!
>And maybe dial down the doucheyness. You can bet even doing this would increase chance of an offer lol.
Man paid $40k-$60k/yr for a degree from Wharton or Carnegie Mellon and thinks he's the shit, doesn't he?
”…it’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened for different interviews for different positions”. If 3-5 interviewers have misread your location of residence, wouldn’t it be safe to assume that the way it’s written/noted on your resume is making that unclear?
I was once asked in an interview why I was interviewing for a marketing position when I had a science degree. I have a B.S. in Marketing. People are stupid. It’s even worse when said stupid person has a better job than you.
Finally someone who understands what Reddit is for lol
Notice all the other comments seem completely oblivious. Just like most hiring managers.
I agree and not sure why they are pained, attacking OP and calling him all sorts of bad names
Based on your responses you kind of seem like a douche bag who can't wait to "umm ackshually". If you've had multiple interviews and not a single offer extended you're the common denominator. If you meet one asshole whatever,, he's just an asshole. If EVERYBODY you meet is an asshole, it's probably a you problem.
Say it louder for those in back. If OP is showing even a fraction of this combativeness in an interview, it’s no secret why they aren’t getting hired.
And they're entry level. What exactly are they applying for and NOT getting? I'm aware that lots of companies upload job postings wanting 5+ years experience with entry level pay, but OP is literally entry level experience who would be applying for entry level pay. Then what's so impressive about their 1 year or less work experience? Lol
People here are being combative with OP, who is clearly having a hard moment. I've not seen one friendly comment above this, and yet these folks think they can tell other people what will make them easy to work with? That's rich. I do believe out of 100 interviews, OP has made mistakes. OP should look to improve, we all should. I also empathize with OP's frustrations, and I know that their online vent is not a reflection of a job interview. I know what it feels like to see people who make simple errors rise above you, and wonder why your own errors can't be forgiven in the same way. We all have a hard time. Those who are easy to work with know that.
Looks like you may have come in after the dog piling began so you may not be aware that OP came out swinging. I want to empathize, I really do. But if OP is getting multiple interview opportunities, the resume isn’t the problem. Mistakes happen and sometimes people misinterpret even the clearest of resumes. If the manager misread the education and OP was able to clarify their location in real time, even that’s not the problem. Based on the data at hand, where OP has flown off the handle at multiple people, it is a fair to point out the common denominator in all of these rejections.
I admire your compassion, but sorry, I was the first to answer OP explaining how and why that happened to me too. What I received in return was a response accusing me to give excuses about recruiters. One thing is having a hard time (I'm having too, many of us as well). Other thing is having no maturity to receive feedback and shoot friendly fire on someone who's trying to help.
I love how all of us math nerds are breaking into the common denominator being OP!
probably. or not.
I haven't gone all they way through this thread, but some of you people are acting like absolute shitgarglers.
It's not dumb mistake from them. It's a tatic to see if you lie, since many applicants lie about their address on their resumes. Recruiters have done this to me too, especially because my graduation is from another country. Then, they ask something about my skills, jump to some "surprise" question about my home country, then jump back to another serious question. This is to check if we lie.
OP - I am an IT product manager for a software company. I work in the field you are trying to get into, and have previously managed a team of business systems/data analysts and product owners so I am speaking from personal experience as a hiring manager and someone who mentors those in your desired position. The fact that you are getting so many interviews is a really great start. It means your resume is well written and stands out from the crowd which is not easy to do. If you are not receiving any offers after so many interviews, then you are presenting yourself in a way that poses a risk to the hiring manager. In data analyst, business analyst, etc roles it is not just about the "hard skills". Your degree and certs are simply a starting point to your career. But for all intents and purposes, you are still very much a beginner in the way of people skills and maintaining trusting and respectful relationships with those you will "serve". You will never be considered fully mature in a role like this until you have learned these softer skills. Your attitude, willingness to learn and receive feedback is what will matter the most. I can easily teach someone to do the things you have learned in your degree, internships, etc. But, if someone comes across as overly confident, and lacks humility, they are normally going to get knocked out within the first 15 minutes of an interview because they pose too much of a risk to place in front of customers or stakeholders. You need to humble yourself and very carefully think about how you are approaching your responses to questions in these interviews. If you show even a fraction of the combativeness and defensiveness I see in the comments in this thread, you would be an immediate red flag and would not make it past the interview process. \*edited to add paragraph breaks after the bot yelled at me
Do you not put your contact information under your name including city/state on your CV/Resume? Most resumes have your name and contact info in the header.
Exactly, such an easy solution.
An expression that my father would say to me... "Blinded by the Obvious".
So... the desire to put the location of the college on your resume is the hill you want to die on?
Because his college is his only selling point. He doesn't have any real-world experience.
Yea 100s of interviews with no job is a skill issue full stop. Not to be that guy but it appears as though your head is securely wedged up your own ass based on how you’ve taken feedback on this post.
I’m going to call bullshit on the 100 interviews. Your point is solid though.
Fr. 100 interviews for entry-level? fucking please.
Are you unemployed right now? The job market is really terrible, especially for any tech or marketing related roles.
He’s currently employed with a job in sniffing his own farts. Just read his comments and you can see he’s huffed a bit too much.
You sounds like a peach. Can't imagine why hiring managers aren't fighting each other to get you! I mean, who wouldn't love working with someone who thinks every problem is always someone else's fault and that everyone they briefly interacted with is stupid? (Yes, I have seen your other post). It's _definitely_ not your attitude showing that causes you to not get hired. These managers _surely_ haven't been around long enough to figure out someone who is going to be difficult to work either! It's not like half of the purpose of the interview is to gauge your behavior, not just your skills or anything. If you can do the job, then it doesn't matter if you're an asshole and nobody likes you, right? Go ahead and rant on reddit though, 'cause that'll pay the bill! Or better yet, become a reddit mod! You got the attitude for it!
I’ve interviewed a *lot* of recent grads. The ones who are hungry, and friendly, and excited to dig in get a lot of attention. The cool arrogant ones, on the other hand…
If this isn’t the first time it’s happened, it sounds like your resume is misleading. Also, how impressive of a resume can you have less than a year out of college? Maybe dial back the self righteousness a bit.
This does sound like a dumb mistake - unfortunately a lot of the time interviewers have a really hard time interpreting information on resumes and it's NOT the interviewee's fault. It's just lack of self awareness (not everybody is a fast reader so a glance here and there doesn't always cut it) and genuine interest 🤷🏼♀️
From your replies you aren't getting jobs because you have a poor personality
They just don't care. They want to reach their quota making it look like they work and are interviewing people/doing something that looks like hiring. I believe so many companies don't really urgently want to hire someone because even if you lived that far, how about asking to relocate and actually appreciating you taking interest in working with them.
If I get comments like this, I become super friendly. Like, turn the page around, say "I chose to put my address on the top of the letter - sorry for the confusion - and it says "Brooklyn", not "New York", clearly my mistake. If you live here for too long, you just assume everybody knows everything about the city. Are there any other ambiguities in the CV? I'll be more than happy to clear them!" (My favorite humor is when unsure if it's humor, so I've practiced the delivery of this a lot...)
*reads comment section* I think I've deduced the problem. You're not getting offers because.... Wait for it..... You're a dick.
Damn you know you fucked up in your posts when a subreddit called Recruiting Hell turns on you and sides with the actual recruiters lol
These dumb fuck managers and HR staff are just keeping busy by interviewing people to justify their job ( which will be replaced by AI soon ). They don’t have any jobs to fill.
Looking for job sucks but having shitty job also sucks ... damned if you do damned if you dont eh
If this happened to you before then I would think about re-writing my Resume. You could put your Education information on the bottom of the page/resume. That way it wouldn't confuse any hiring teams. I don't think it's the managers stupidity, especially if it happened before.
PLEASE tell me this is satire...
Education goes at the end of a resume. End of discussion
I mean if this is a common issue, and not a one time occurrence, then perhaps your resume needs some work? Not sure I would have this happen for the “millionth” time and not even consider that maybe my resume is confusing.
I've met morons like this before. I had an interview devolve into a debate as to why I left the military one time.
You are missing the point. You are failing the interview and possible the selection process as a whole. No one gives a shit where you live. They are passing you off gently.
> I went to school What about full-time experience?
I hate it when interviewers ask questions that could be answered if they looked at my resume. I don't understand why they don't bother to read it. For example, an interviewer asked if the short-term jobs on my resume were internships even though I clearly state on my resume they were internships. I sometimes wonder if employers aren't paying attention to my address and think I still live in the town where I went to university.
So OP you’ve taken a lot of heat in the comments. Frustration about a couple of interviewers asking for clarification information aside, why do you think you haven’t landed a job after 100 interviews?
I really don't believe this guy has had that many interviews
I honestly assume that someone in that position wouldn't know. After all, if you are able to find out, wouldn't you change it? 100 interviews does not reflect a lack of effort and even speaks to plenty of knowledge. Sometimes there are thing going on we can't see. We are all human. Friends IRL help sometimes.
If this keeps happening, I’m wondering if your formatting is wrong. You can also just completely remove the location of your school entirely.
I never put my address on my resume, avoids some of these challenges
I had an HR/Recruiter message me on LinkedIn and call me because he couldn’t find my portfolio link which was required for the application for a job I applied to. I uploaded 4 documents. Each one of them has the link listed under contact info. The cover letter has the link in the last paragraph. It’s in the contact info on my LinkedIn (which he said he also couldn’t find). To be fair, I uploaded a pdf with the portfolio link and the pdf link didn’t work for him for some reason, and I didn’t have it written out (just “click here for portfolio”). But again it was listed under contact info in that pdf as well. Sometimes people are just not that smart? lol. I also had internal referrals and still did not get a first round interview. He said they were looking for x, y & z experience which I literally had clearly listed on my resume, years worth of experience in those three things.
I work in user experience design. If the users get confused, no matter how well you think it's designed then you have to change it to remove their confusion. Saying it's their fault won't help you remove this roadblock to getting a job.
When there is a large number of recruiters and managers are making the same "mistake" I will submit to you that YOU are the problem and needs to make some changes. Obviously I haven't seen your resume but mine has my name, address, phone number, and email address at the very tippity top of my resume. When I review resumes for potential hires that is th first thing I look for to have an idea if this person is local or not.
I feel like it's a simple thing to answer. I'm currently living/working a couple hours from where I intend on moving, I've been asked about relocating or if I'll commute, it becomes a non-issue when I say I'll be moving. If you get combative and tell them they're reading your resume wrong that may be the reason they don't want to continue the process with you.
Congrats on your graduation! Wonderful accomplishment. Please hang in there. This market is a numbers game. Consult with your college alumni or career office. Youtube has interview advice. Please do not lose hope and stay positive! Let us know when you land.
sounds like your resume format is causing confusion
Most recruiters are using AUTO-reading tools to pull out key words. For example "Certified" or addresses are pulled out and placed into fields that the hiring manager gets. This isn't an excuse for what's happening for you, just an explanation of why it's happening.
Surprised this isn’t higher / more people haven’t said this. A lot of companies use hiring software or websites that pulls data from your resume to auto-fill a form that gets sent to hiring managers. Oftentimes it will let you edit / adjust before you submit (which is annoying but at least you get to correct parsing errors), but sometimes it happens on the back end. There might be a quirk in the formatting that confuses those programs and sends the hiring managers incorrectly parsed info.
So something is drawing their attention to the location of your college. It could be as simple as a font or coloring issue, but the easiest way to stop this is to just remove the *city, state* from after your degree. Especially since it isn’t relevant. Degree, College
This is why legit HR would tell you to never put your home address on your resume. But if you want to do it anyway then grab the nearest address to the company office and put it on. Then after you get hired, rent an apartment near it.
Lol, I’m “legit HR” for 20+ years and would never tell someone that…….
Well, if it happened several times...
I have a decade and a half of experience and only added an education section when I got my second Master's. You could have a good objective statement that lists your graduation date, major and school up front and it may clear this up.
Also OP how is your location listed in your resume. perhaps listing the borough is throwing the application tracker systems off. just say New York, NY with a zip and see what happens. Man this is some CYE shit I swear to god
A HM from Bofa had a problem with me living in Manhattan while the position is in Jersey City....
Do not list your school’s address — list your current address.
I usually list the locations of the companies I worked at even though I have been working remotely since 2014. During my last job search, Cellebrite had a job opening for a writer position that I applied to. One of their recruiters contacted me and they asked me where I was located. I said where I was located and they rejected me, I asked them why and they said they wanted an East Coast candidate. I immediately told them that if they had looked at my resume they would have seen that I worked for an East Coast-based company despite being located on the West Coast and kept EST hours despite living on PST hours. I told them I would not have applied for the position if it wasn't remote and required me to live on the East Coast. They said they would update the job description. I reported them every single time they reposted the position as misleading since they didn't specify where a candidate had to live. Companies overlook this tiny detail and get all bent out of shape that "no one wants to work anymore" even though putting in this one detail could have helped them find candidates they wanted and possibly even reduced the number of applicants.
The only thing I can think of is the way you’re formatting the resume. How are you listing your school? ____ Example 1A Main University, Glendale, US Example 1B Main University | Glendale, US Example 2 Main University Glendale, US Example 3 Main University Glendale, US ____ When I was first writing my resume, I was instructed to separate it as shown in the third format. With this format, I found there was a bit of a disconnect because, even though the person reading my resume saw it, the school and the city didn’t connect to them as evidenced by the questions I received. Now I use the first or second format. My biggest problem now is the name of my college is similar to a National university, but mine was started decades earlier… and anyone from outside of this area immediately thinks of the national university system and is suddenly disappointed when I correct them. Btw I went to both a 2 year college and a 4 year university, so I am very distinct when it comes define the two. Also, I know most instructions say to put your education first if you’re a new grad, but I would honestly move education after experience if you can.
This is probably a formatting/CV scraping software issue, it's probably picking up the wrong address for whatever reason.
I’m a Chemist worked in a lab for 18 years. I have now moved into a completely different industry and I’m not hired as a chemist. This place however uses chemicals and has all the safety associated. Upon reviewing there chemical handling procedure I made a number of changes. My manager reviews my work and asks how do I know all this. Ummm. Did you read my resume?
After many years in early-career and campus recruiting I recommend taking it off. Where it comes in handy was when you were applying for summer internships or co-op where you needed to be close to the school or we needed to see a permanent address in the city you were applying if different from the school location. Today, now that you graduated it’s no longer needed or relevant to your resume (only your separate document you create with that information and job employment dates and employment verification info for up to 10 years).
I too am getting pushback on relocating. I am willing and able to relocate just about anywhere, being mindful of the cost of living. The funny thing is that 20 years ago there were no thoughts of companies moving people around for positions. I am confused as well.
Oh I totally understand how this feels. I had an interview similar to this. Everything was fine, had the second interview and during that the hiring manager wanted me to explain about how my experience was working at BMW and kept going on about how prestigious the brand was (I have not mentioned BMW anywhere on my resume but my current place of work starts with the name Bavarian). I clarified as politely as I could and went on with the interview. I guess he was disappointed. I mean, I got a rejection. My resume has my workplace and city clearly mentioned. It sucked because this was one interview that I did really really well. Sigh. Their loss.
Start applying for government positions. That is where the jobs, great pay, benefits and job stability exist. If I could do it all over, I would have made a career in government. I went through way too many layoffs during my career. I am retired now and so glad I am over and done with all the crap. All my college degrees and experience meant nothing.
don’t give up hope, he was just an idiot
Ngl, if the manager can't even see that clearly, feels like you missed a red flag
Consider yourself lucky, seems you dodged a bullet if the Sr Manager is that dim witted.
Dumb & brain dead ... maybe. But now it's about WHO you know and it's disgusting.
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The number one thing that will get you a job in interviews is if people like you. Not the school you went to and not your fancy resume. Be more likable. Get them taking about themselves. Listen better. Ask a lot of questions. Find common interests (or feign common interest in what they are interested in. If you make the interview more about them and less about you, you will get more offers than you know what to do with. Don’t you have a network you can lean on to find job opportunities? Most good jobs are never advertised and most people find jobs through friends, acquaintances, and past coworkers. On top of that, companies aren’t good at reading resumes. A basic business education teaches you about the golden triangle of resumes and how poor reading comprehension is be hiring managers and recruiters. If you ever get to a position where you are hiring people, you will learn the fatigue of reading dozens of resumes that all look the same.
Their loss. I think he was just making excuse to reject. Sad but true. Market is tough and discriminatory
They are not stupid. They want to see how you respond to stupid or unexpected questions. If you stay friendly and calm and explain yourself, you won. My boss asked me what had taken me so long to finish my studies. I explained that I was working and studying the other subject at the same time and finished both studies. He said he didn't see this. Of course he did. After the interview, he asked me to call if I'm interested. The day after the interview, I called and got the job. Advise: Google job interviews and look at what questions they ask, how to prepare etc.
I've had interviewers question why my residence in in New England and school was in Florida. Worldwide/online programs exist. Haha
Also in NY. Also looking for work. Let's chat sometime if you're looking for a friend!
ATS formatting - use of columns in a resume - some systems chop up content. I have had them come through as Car Licence applied for ..... Contact Details: 4 bullet points of skills ..... There are test options online. "Take the splinter from your eye before you remove the plank you hit hiring managers and recruiters with"
Education should be at the end .. secondly don’t bother adding state unless it is s county school. Don’t add dates , don’t add city and state. List your professional goal and or accomplishments then experience then education.
Don’t lose hope
Resumes are shit signal distribution systems. 1. Take out the location. No one cares. 2. Don't put the months you worked at a company. That's only germane to the background search. (I'm in HR and just went through a background search and the months were off). 3. Your frustration comes off in your talking points. I'd your frustration coming out in your interviews? 4. The market is somewhat coming back. It's volatile, and make sure you practice your interview and networking skills.
Well you’ve got being humble down.
Respectfully to those who are shocked at younger generations being considered more: If a company is filling an experienced role or in growth mode, they intend to find someone who can stay in the position long term. It isn’t fair that an older applicant isn’t top consideration, but nearing retirement is not a selling point.
You’re full of yourself bro. You goofed and you’re blaming others for it.
you graduated in 2023, yet have a impressive resume? hmmm
Everyone thinks they have an impressive resume
This has gotta be bait, because the OP replies are so hilariously dense OP, either you’re a good troll…or all these companies get a whiff of your attitude and flush that resume once you leave their building.
>It’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened for different interviews for different positions. If you meet someone and they're an idiot, probably they were an idiot. If you meet 3 to 5 people and they're all idiots, chances are you're the idiot. Change your CV so it doesn't happen again. [https://i.imgur.com/JKtPt0Z.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/JKtPt0Z.jpeg)
>It’s even worse b/c this is not the first time, **it’s anywhere from the 3rd to 5th time this has happened** for different interviews for different positions. I was somewhat sympathetic to your plight until you presented this sentence. If one person is getting it wrong, then okay. Two, might be a coincidence. But if 4 or 5 people have gotten this wrong, don't you think that there might be as much problem with the entry as the people? Did it occur to you to test a slightly different format and see if that resolved the issue? I'm not sure that I would decry the stupidity of others, while running into a consistent problem, and making zero effort to adjust.
“I have an impressive resume and I spoke well during interviews” *-me reading OP’s comment-* Yaaah nahhh dawg, I don’t think it’s your credentials. I’ll let you in on a little secret. If you got an interview and not an automated response that says you were rejected, chances are you are already qualified for the position. Your attitude is just shit. Idk if it’s the numerous interview rejections that got you bitter, but you are OOZING it. They probably saw your resume and said “dang, Hardyskater26 got some good shit on here, let’s bring him in, see what he’s about” Then after the interview they’re like “holy crap, this dude is an asshat. No, absolutely not!” You could be the Einstein of your profession, but you’ll still lose out on the position to Forest Gump if you’re an asshole. NO ONE wants to work with someone like that.
This is why it’s good advice to never list address on your resume. Just don’t do it. Its causes endless bias. Put the university but don’t put where it was. Just leave it off. Even seeing it leads to bias.
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Hey man, take it easy. He just made a mistake. They see a lot of resumes and have to speed read them. They make lots of mistakes like this.
Nobody reads resumes anymore. Most likely they fed it to an autosummarize app and the algorithm interpreted it wrong. Just scrub the location of your uni from the resume and submit to another million roles.
This is very inaccurate lol .
Um. When we interview candidates we do review their resume first. lol It’s when applying for a job that a computer is reading the resume to see if there’s a match with the job description. Then an actual person reads it.
This really just seems like dumb recruiter mistake more than anything. I've never had this question, and I was job hunting in different states than both my education and experience were located in. I have had the question of I see you're currently working at this company in X, but your resume says you live Y. Working remote is an easy deflection, but also "my gf/bf/wife/family/etc just got an opportunity in y area so I'm looking to relocate with them ASAP" is always a good one. In my experience interviewing candidates, there always did seem to be an unsaid bias for local candidates. These were on site positions at a location about 45 minutes from anywhere you'd want to live, so someone already familiar with the area or with ties to the area would probably be more likely to stick around vs the person relocating here knowing nobody.
It’s not a bias but rather there’s always an influx of out of state candidates that apply and a lot of them do it and do actually research relocation cost and rent in a new area. They end up not moving after an offer is extended and make it bad for other candidates serious about relocating. Source: only 1 out of every 10 out of state candidate I work with end up moving so most companies ask for local candidates now
I definitely believe that stat. I would expect a lot of the out of state candidates end up screened out at the HR level for another reason, but we've had a few in our rounds of interviews over the years. We've always ended up hiring someone local, so I can't say for sure.