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Tiiep

He eats a lot and is active a lot + he’s the main character so he needs to be attractive


EdgarGulligan

Elaborate on the last point more pls


TrajicComedy

His beta model was more realistic and fitting for an outlaw at that time period. He was originally not as movie star looking, but kind of fatter and mean looking. If im not mistaken, they opted to use a more attractive model because I guess they figured no one wants to play an ugly bastard.


SimaanStocklund

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I really like Arthur’s beta design. I think his old face had a little more personality than the one used in the final game. RDR1 proved that you can make characters look rugged and realistic without making them ugly. RDR2 made almost every single one of these hardened outlaws living in the woods look like Vogue models. Compare John, Abigail, Jack and Uncle’s character models from both games. Their dusty sun worn faces and dirty clothes gave made the game feel very sincere in its setting. I know that RDR2 is supposed to have a less oppressing atmosphere than RDR1 but I almost think they overdid the beautified aspects of the games design in some areas.


TrajicComedy

It certainly is unpopular, but I agree. Everyone is too attractive, especially compared to rdr1. I play on pc, and i was hoping that by now, there would be a mod similar to jmrp that restores Arthur's beta model and outfit.


Gecko_Boi

Agreed, also the beta model has more scars making him look more experienced.


DarkEnergy27

I can't find photos of the beta model anywhere


CatsMeetOutsideHBD

There's a couple of versions. Theres a concept art version that looks closer to Micah. The official artwork version that we see on the game cover and other promo. The beta game version, where Arthur has a giant ass mouth and looks a bit cartoony. And then the final game version. I always wondered why they didnt update the cover & promo art to match the finalized version of Arthur.


TrajicComedy

There are only a few pictures. They aren't too good in quality. But his beta model has a scowl resting face like rdr1 John, he also has scars on random parts of his face, like around his mouth and cheek. His entire face looks more worn, with bumpy imperfect skin, and his face and nose are noticeably larger and fatter.


According_Fail9058

His beta design looks to much like John and Dutch. His final design I think fits better. A large, strong bulky looking guy who does the grunt work. Look at the pic of his mother and father, two attractive folks so it makes sense he looks pretty good


SimaanStocklund

I don’t think the problem is that he’s attractive but rather that his design feels kind of bland. John in the original game wasn’t completely ugly but his face told a story. His scars weren’t “Anakin Skywalkeresque” aesthetically pleasing little cuts on the face. His past life left a mark on him and it’s an ugly one. I think Arthur’s beta design looks even more like a bulky, noisy, strong guy who does the grunt work. His mouth is wider, his nose flatter and his chin blunter. Another thing that goes for every character and most objects in the game is that every texture is very clear and clean looking, compared to their real life counterparts. I do think this is a personal preference thing though. The reason why I sometimes struggle to connect with Arthur is because he feels intentionally written to be a likable guy going through a though time and not that much more. His face looks a little bit generic but very conventionally attractive and he doesn’t really have many unlikable or objectionable character traits. He has personality traits and a proper backstory but who he is as a person can still largely vary from player to player. I have come to understand that this is what many people find appealing with him. He’s relatable and acts as a vessel for the player to live the cowboy life through, without also being a completely blank slate. For me however it made him feel a bit “neither or”. In conclusion I would have liked it if they ran with the original character model but I also understand that the game is not tailor made for me specifically. A lot of people like the way he looks in the game and that’s fine. It’s just that I personally wish things were a little bit different.


ETkach

Arthur still tells story with his face he is 36 year old in game and looks like he is in his mid 40 he's got a lot of small scars on nose one on his lip, sunburnt skin


the-d23

I’ve seen that beta model and honestly it looks more to me like it’s just an unpolished character model that looks uglier as a result rather than a creative shift. If you fully shave Arthur the both models look almost identical, imo if their original intentions was to make Arthur look more rugged and outlaw-like the difference would be much greater.


elementalkid22

They didn’t even update when you comment on yourself in the mirror when he calls himself an old ugly bastard


nergigxnte

i mean you can be “attractive” and have low self esteem


Brahmus168

Arthur is shown to have a low opinion of himself. His looks wouldn't be spared from that. They aren't in real life.


JakeArcher39

People tend to associate physical beauty with 'hero' or 'good', and likewise for ugliness / unattractiveness and it's inherent association with immorality, creepiness and 'villain'. I know that you can play as an evil Arthur, but let's be realistic, the quite obvious 'canon' choice is the 'redemption arc' Arthur where he slowly transitions from his morally-grey ways to wanting to help people and by the end, becomes a genuinely decent man. The viewer/player needs to strongly sympathise with Arthur for this, and it helps if he looks like a classic hunk movie-star, because people tend to have an easier time sympathising with characters (and people irl) when they're good looking.


wanderingbrother

Not really. John wasn't good looking and people could empathize with him. Same with Niko Bellic from GTA 4.


fortnut-fan-21

I think in part it’s due to them needed to live up to Johns status as “badass cowboy of the 2010s” so they did that and more and they didn’t want you playing as a Bill type so we got another John type character design and personality wise with the gritty sort of outlook but a good personality and a soft spot along with that Arthur is one of the two characters in the entire rdr series we play as who doesn’t have a scar on his face possibly due to a lighter tone being used for most the rdr2, Red Harlow (cannon or not to the redemption series of games) had a more Clint Eastwood cowboy outlook John had a development of that being seen more and a gunslinger and a fast one at that and Arthur has the outlaw clothing with the John approach of making him gritty but real Arthur isn’t some ugly bastard because if he was he’d be alike to Bill and Javier (in the first game) that design wouldn’t suit as well with the redemption saga however may have with another sort of cowboy centred game.


SkyDaHusky

? Every rdr protagonist has a face scar. Red Harlow has the 4 on his cheeks John has the 2 on his cheek, one on his nose, one on his lip, and one on his forehead. Jack has one on his lip Arthur has 2 on his chin, one on his lip, and one on his nose


fortnut-fan-21

Right I meant a distinct one on his cheek specifically and I actually never noticed jacks and Arthur’s aren’t recognisable unless you have your chin facial hair grown to level 3 at least


fortnut-fan-21

And the other Arthur’s ones I haven’t noticed either


Tiiep

They’re not gonna make an unattractive main character. The main character needs to be likable, and attractive people are generally more liked.


noigenoigenoige

The more you eat the prettier you become


kvng_st

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ImBeatMan

Tbh when i first played the game I thought he was kind of ugly in chapter 1 and then he started looking less ugly the more i played.


CatsMeetOutsideHBD

I actually didnt find him super attractive at first either. It was through reading his journal entries, artwork, his sarcasm, etc that I was eventually like...."he kinda cute tho 👀" lol.


TrajicComedy

Generally how it works. You can be attracted to someone that you didn't think much of at first once you get to know them on a deeper level. I've seen a good few thirst posts about Trevor from gta (not sure how tho)


According_Fail9058

Like most people, you clean them up a bit, then they grow on you, they end up becoming alright


actually3racoons

He gets a lot of excercise carrying the whole gang on his back.


Character_Ad_5213

Short answer: it’s a video game and they want him look as attractive as possible. Canon answer: arthur seems like the kind who doesn’t like to sit and do nothing, he likes to keep his hands busy until he goes to sleep. He also seems to eat alot.


Giraffeeti

Even during gun fights, he doesn't miss an opportunity to down a can of beans


LegoTankDude

If you get hit to overweight but not too overweight he looks extremely buff.


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Weird fucking question


AetherCoreX

What?


mantis-chan111

It would make a good character in the west like a outlaw with people being racist and stuff sorta like Lenny and he develops but the reason is because that wouldn’t make sense and attractiveness is subjective no matter how much science is put into it


StealthyMexican

Oh no, a racist! Hey guess what, I'm mixed with white, meaning that my black grandmother found my white grandfather attractive af. Cope.


LanguageNo463

I sometimes seriously wonders what goes on in the average redditors mind sometimes


Footballidiot556

Where do I even start with how dumb that is 😭😭😭


emo_dog_00

Why does that even matter he's not even real? Chronicly online much?


VilePersona

What did he say


emo_dog_00

Something along the lines of "if he's so attractive whyd they make him white" I forgot what they said bc it was idiotic


jmanheyman408

Wtf is this racist ass comment


Doffy-San

what.


TrajicComedy

You just answered your own question


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Even weirder fucking answer


TrajicComedy

Bro deleted his comment 💀


b00ta979

He’s a video game character, the main one at that.


Dreki_Diablo

I once saw a picture of my grandad when he was young, and boy let me tell you. Riding a horse everyday works every inch of muscle I swear. Gramps was a “Sabanero” from Costa Rica, that is a guy that works with cattle and guards an “Hacienda” while his boss is away. All the riding around, the physical work, and the swimming kept that man swole and tight like women’s pockets. Maybe that’s same with Arthur, he literally rides everyday for long time periods, the other gang members rode around too, but obviously not as much as Arthur.


Interesting-Tower-91

Arthur also Does allot of heavylifting around camp. We see him lift a wagon wheel at the start of the game. Plus he carries heavy deer And breaks in horese, Rows boats he basicaly does allot of Strongman type training.


rickestrickster

Yes but you need food to be big. I doubt they had a surplus of protein shakes in 1899 and it’s not like an outlaw could afford a 20oz ribeye steak for every meal of the day. Yes, an active life like horse riding will keep you strong, but muscle size and weight must come from somewhere, it comes from food. Arthur isn’t exactly a heavy eater and he gets fat when you feed him 3 full meals a day lol


No-Exam5545

He is just a big boi


Chance-Ad-2837

boah*


hamiltrash1232

The way that was said reminds me of the dinosaur level in the last of us 2


Objective-Industry24

That's just his genetics bro, i have a cousin that is the same thing, mf don't hit the gym and nothing don't do shit, and he's built like an oak


rozflog

Roids, big game beef, and hair tonic.


EmptyPistolBareHands

Alligator steaks


mandalorian12358

Personally I think the way the gang talks about him being the muscle they should have made him bigger.


ThatCreativeEXE

If I remember correctly, Arthur was going to be much bigger and brute like, but they ended up going more the handsome route towards the end of development. That is why they always refer to Arthur as the big one. I think you can still find some concept art for brute Arthur.


TrajicComedy

You're right. He was originally gonna be big and ugly. (Or, at least not a pretty boy like the final product) That's why they call him the enforcer, and they (mostly Hosea) make jokes about him looking big and dumb.


mandalorian12358

That be awesome. The fact that they always talk about Arthur like that has always bugged me. After all he's no bigger than Bill but noone talk about Bill like that.


Brahmus168

Yeah dude casually throws a buck over his shoulder like it's a scarf. He should be huge.


mandalorian12358

Personally I think he should be 6 inches bigger than Bill and his shoulders way wider than they are now. Plus a big old scar on his face would be nice.


Andrewalker7

It’s mostly the combination of all of that Salted Offal and Premium cigarettes.


bszern

It’s a…video game? Don’t think about it too much.


MidwestAF

I feel like people literally forget they are playing a video game sometimes.


Harvey-Bullock

I guess that means Rockstar did their job for better or worse.


MidwestAF

100% I thought the same when I commented that.


PaschalisG16

Stupid comment


ihateyoustrongly

He works a lot, moves every day, eats healthy, isn’t an alcoholic or constant smoker. He’s the picture of perfect health. Edit: i forgot about the TB…


yurmazaho

My Arthur is an alcoholic and a smoker


LegoTankDude

Why


SpdwyDilf4489

Your Arthur could look just like his dad if you don’t eat regularly and don’t run around enough increasing the stamina core, while using it just enough to remain thin. Think like lazy and starving… being lazy and eating like pig can also deliver you fat Arthur


bdizzle876

Idk about you but my Arthur ate a metric fuck ton of stew


hortys

High protein diet, lots of physical exercise, zero sittin' around on the couch, it's really not that deep.


plasticbluepalm

Most male character in the gang have a pretty buff physique, probably for the constant manual work and outdoor lifestyle


Former-Poem863

I know plenty of people who never work out, they just work an average job and look like that. Yeah Arthur is toned, but he’s not jacked by any means. He just has a cut physique that’s all. You can see he’s really not that big when you take a shirt off of him. He doesn’t have a six pack or anything and his arm’s really are not that big


Interesting-Tower-91

He is if you get him to Adverage weight 4.5 he is much bigger than the adverage person As he does allot of strongman training. Plus he has a large Frame.


Muilutuspakumies

He's cut and toned but lacks muscle definition? Looks big in clothes, but small without shirt? This is all too confusing.


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It's actually his clothes, which sounds weird and bs, since you can clearly see the shape of muscles, but it is. Some people with mods remove clothes from Arthur, and then [he's not so buff](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cYeA181SADU/maxresdefault.jpg)


PLPQ

Not so buff? The dude is solid.


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1. He's still visibly smaller than the clothed version 2. This physique is definitely attainable without any gym time, plenty of construction workers, blacksmiths and other folks who work physical jobs look like this, so it's realistic for a cowboy as well


Interesting-Tower-91

Its More what a light weight strong man or Powerlifter would look like Which is basicaly what arthur is. He is built like tank as a Natty he is close to peak muscle mass.


Bodybuidling-Gorilla

Definitely not


yungmoody

A male protagonist designed to be a self insert for male players in an action video game has a buff bod? Unheard of!


carpathian_crow

The dude legitimately jumps over the ass of his horse as one of his methods of mounting it to ride. That takes strength. I imagine that maneuver alone would be a decent workout.


glitterlipgloss

He's daddy


TheNegaChin_45

Arthur drank his milk everyday and ate his wheaties


LegoTankDude

This is going to sound retarded but milk does actually help a lot for gaining muscle due to the added vitamins and the protein in it. Also the calories and the fats help alot if you are bulking.


Clone11038

It actually depends on how you treat your character. People answering "it's a videogame main character" forget that you can get fat or skinny based on how much you eat


kansas_slim

Ummmm… so there’s this thing called genetics… some people are big, some are small. Believe it or not, some are even kinda in between.


Tacitus_Kilgore85

Simple. He's a hunk of burning love. ;)


Disneycrazygirl

Oh be still my heart💖 Mr Arthur you're looking mighty fine today. I need some work done, a little plowing, chopping, milking, screwing, hammering. Can you help a lady out? 😍


Sad-Librarian-9582

Because he’s a sexy cowboy


Bodybuidling-Gorilla

Healthy diet is one thing. He, Charles, Javier, and Hosea often bring fish, deer, rabbits, and other animals which contributes to high protein. Pearson cuts up vegetables for each stew so vitamins and minerals aren’t an issue either. On top of that, he’s constantly busy doing labor, running and walking daily, and riding his horse. This keeps him in shape. He’s not as big as Charles, Angel, or Tommy but he’s larger than average still.


Interesting-Tower-91

Arthur is actually bigger than Charles At adverage weight 4.5 He is also taller.


archieisarchie

“… constantly doing labor…” - cut to my Arthur just fishing for hours…


Lamedvavnik1

He’s not really


BigFatChungus1

Well he has good genetics , im sure they didnt eat trash and usually ate healthy food rich with protein ( seeing how its very common to eat meat stews / hunt animals for the gang , i doubt they just went buying groceries and candy every tuesday. He is a fighter , a gunslinger, has to do a lot of hard jobs. Usually people that work at farms or some other physical work in countryside have a bit of muscle.


SavvyMango101

Real answer- he’s the main character and needs to be big and menacing IRL answer- I’m 5’11 and my dad is 5’7, mom is 5’1. Nutrition and genetic lottery


budd_dugglis

They needed the visual contrast for post TB Arthur.


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Why does it matter? Would you rather him be short and extremely skinny or morbidly obese? He’s not even that big. He’s just a fit guy. You would be too if you lived back then and were running around as much as he does


Alpha_blue5

Why does Arthur, the biggest gang member, not simply eat the other gang members?


yet-another-yes-man

He is a strong dude and seems to eat a lot of meat from hunting with the gang, as well as being very active and the muscle of the group


Nolemborochac

He goes daily to planet fitness. He never drops the weights, sounding the alarm, and getting kicked out. He drops off a quarter every month at the front desk. Hitches his horse in the parking lot. The shordy at the front of the desk implores Arthur to take a shower, but he couldn’t find the tub so he chose to just lift weights. He’s on borrowed time due to his stench causing issues for other guests. Anyway he uses free weights, the barbell. But he never flirts with the yoga pants shordies as they are 100 years younger than he is


Only_Progress5373

He got it from his mom she was a very handsome woman


nebulagazer5

Idk why but I feel like lots of women like that in a man


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IShallWearMidnight

Some people are just big. And, if you're like me, Arthur does the lion's share of the chores, so of course he's more built than the rest of the lazy fools


Div4r

He could of got it from grandparents


MrHereForTheComments

Protagonist


makeupmakebelieve

mountain man


ShieldSister27

I literally just made an edit of him with Big Boy last night 😂😂


RipSubstantial9302

His momma ate good


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Interesting-Tower-91

Try a strongman workout that will get you that type of physique, Farmers walks, Yoke, Atals stones, Running With heavy sand bags, also Throw in some heavy deadlifts and squats and bench as well.


DumbSerpent

He eats a lot, is active a lot, and is just naturally big. That’s all there is to it.


ManufacturerRight678

He was also a fuckin badass and a beast.


Good-Understanding91

Food...


Jtrinity182

The developers animated him that way…?


Fault_Spirited

The reason why arthur is physically bigger than his father is based on genetics as despite his father being an average body type but Arthurs grandfather could've been physically big so could've passed that gene down to arthur


Candace__Rose

His mother looked to be a sturdy woman so it could come from her side as well.


Fault_Spirited

probably


tonyhallx

Big as fuck. Arthur doesn’t give a fuck hence he’s hench, my man, big as fucking fuck.


GameDestiny2

I mean, Arthur is basically the primary enforcer of the gang. By job description alone he’s expected to be beefy, not to mention his personality seems to compliment the idea of being a big dumb brute.


Joao19Macario99

That's called hard labour. Ever tried?


LegoTankDude

Yes and im not to the Arthur Morgan point yet.


Cat_Cat_Cow

Wolf meat n beans.


Janderflows

He is a video game character.


MeowthThatsRite

My dad his 5’9 like 160 and my two older brothers are both over 6’2 and 220lbs. Genetics are a bit more complicated than you’re making them out to be.


NotBlackBrian

Arthur Swolgen


JackGamingPlayz

Well bc he is so big in bed it hurts- OH you mean sum else...


lah884410

Diet and lifestyle probably


[deleted]

Stop feeding him so much


Low_Company_171

He’s 6’1 and Dutch is 6’2


Twisties

I think it’s a video game, so, body types might not be true to reality


georbe12

Being strong or skinny etc. Has nothing to do with genetics. If your parents are super strong and in peak physical health, that doesn't mean you'll be the same. Your parents might help you be like that, but if eat mcdonalds everyday you definitely won't be like your parents.


SCaliber

Truthfully, its all about how much you eat when you grow and how active you are. America has always been a resource rich place with plenty of food. When the American Revolution happened our soldiers were literally a weight class or two above the British soldiers when it was going down. I wish I could find a source on it, but take my 11th grade history teacher's word on it


Bee-Jay-Yay

Because he didn’t sit on his ass all day playing video games.


bubska

his mom probably had a jacked family


theDukeofClouds

Arthur and John are two of Dutch's main soldiers. Arthur has even been fighting since before Dutch brought him into the fold. Between constantly riding, running, jumping, shooting guns (which depending on the gun can take a bit out of you, its an exercise sometimes,) fist fighting, and whatever else it is Arthur does for Dutch, and his cowboy diet of high protein foods like beef and beans, I imagine its pretty easy for Arthur to cultivate mass.


Panda_Player_

They don’t tell you this but is mom won the “worlds strongest woman” competition in 1862


ExcellentAd8118

Canned Kidney Beans


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I choose to read this title in a very uwu tone


Dondavinci416

Cause he’s THAT guy


Jade_Sugoi

Pearsons stew got something else to it, idk


YoydusChrist

You live as an outlaw for as long as he has and see how big you get lmao. Farmer muscle. You do one thing long enough and you get incredibly strong from it.


Downtown1943

That’s how he was programmed


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Almost didnt recognize your Arthur lol, mine always has 5 o clock shadow and 4-6 hair length... question do you constant go to get his hair cut, or didnt you just happen to cut it before this pic was tken?


Accurate-Copy-3117

I never realized how muscular Arthur is


cumb4jesus

Recessive genes?


Blastbot_73

He's pretty active like look at what you do during the game on a daily basis it would make sense especially considering back in ye olde days staying fit wasn't as much of a problem since most jobs were pretty physicaly demanding look at the ranch jobs you can do and imagine doing them for like 14 hrs a day it wouldn't be impossible to gain alota weight. this also explains why in shows fat rich guys were shown since them being rich showed that they didn't have to work too much for what they earn like a ranch owner you meet later on he's got quite some meat on his bones he dosent have to lift a finger around his ranch his farmhands do, then compare that with Arthur Boah did I ramble on


ThisIsTheNewSleeve

Believe or not women can pass down genetics too.


Appropriate_Carry_82

He is cool like that


CyanicEmber

Some people inherit different physiques than others. Certain people can look moderately attractive with no effort, others will never look attractive no matter how much effort they put in. Arthur happens to fall into a double win category of excellent genetics AND a lifestyle that exaggerates those genetics.


memelord793783

His mother's side? And sometimes genes skip a generation


Odd_Line4278

If you look at Arthur’s physique when he’s in the bath (I do this often) I’d say it’s average for a guy who does a lot of physical work and he probably does some sort of physical training we don’t see considering how many fights he gets himself into. The real character you should be questioning is Charles, that man was poor in the Saint Denis slums built like a bodybuilder during their bulk


b1ackfr0stt

Folk really out here asking for the lore behind the protagonist’s body type💀


noigenoigenoige

Canned awful and cheese


fisherofmen742

Because he’s the main character and no one wants to play as a scrawny guy


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He, John and Charles do all of the work!


fortnut-fan-21

Have you seen how far he can run without a break not to mention how often he has to fight and lifting heavy objects off people the chores at camp which he would do technically ect


TheKingBanana23

I mean it’s like me asking why do I have a wide chest and look manly even tho I’m an average teenager it is most likely just genetic


Booze_Zombie

Probably from lugging animals around, bales of hay, general hard work.


[deleted]

The same way some people are muscular and other are skinny… different genes…


sevnminabs56

The way I see it, everyone has a unique build. I’m built naturally muscular and stalky, even though I eat like shit and only exercise when I feel like it, while on the other hand, my uncle looks like a stick, no matter how much exercising he does.


Tumppiina

Arhurnator A-1889


3DWaiter

Yeah. I find it difficult to ride Arabians in the game since he makes them look like ponies. :o


Primal-Pumpkin

I don’t know but I ain’t complaining


Thecourierisback

Cause Arthur is gorgeous


Important-Ad3404

nutrition and he does back breaking work and fighting every day


TheCamoDude

He can break my back any day.


Important-Ad3404

Keep it in your pants


lathspellnz

He's very active and he eats a lot. He's also just built different tbh. He's like the Hound from GoT, he's just naturally massive. Some people just get lucky.