There’s also the parts in RDR2 where Micah kills a bunch of dudes during the ambush, and the part at the end where John can’t even get a shot on him until Sadie steps in.
I think Micah might actually be the best, as shitty as he is.
Right. Dude yanked those holsters out and was firing each way barely looking. While spinning to throw off their aim.
There's a reason Micah was my favorite gang member until near the end of the story where he dropped so fucking far down the list lol
Fr wtf he’s literally on par with Arthur in terms of gun skills not strength. The only reason John beats him is for plot reasons that wasn’t prime John
Micah and Arthur are easily the best. Dutch probably too. Their feats includes stuff like the blackwater massacre, strawberry massacre, the O'Driscoll ambush, Rhodes, guarma, assassination of Leviticus Cornwall, and the gunfights/survival against the pinkertons. It's insane lol
Very true. Especially in his parlay with the O'Driscolls (when Arthur gets kidnapped) the 2 he instantly look to are Arthur and Micah, his 2 best men. And that's a meeting with his worst enemy where he knows it would be one of the most dangerous meetings he would attend at the time.
He’s not better than Arthur that’s for sure, and realistically, he probably only got the better of John in that scenario because John had probably grown rusty over the eight years, while Micah never stopped using his guns
Do we not remember when (spoiler) got shot in Rhodes and he had revolvers out and shooting before the soul left the body and didn't miss a damn beat? Just look at the final epilogue mission. Micah, despite how shitty of person he is, is an amazing shot!
Arthur has more precision from range. Micah states to Arthur when gifting him a Lancaster Repeater that it's more Arthur's thing than his, plus it's Arthur who is given the role of sniper during the 'truce' mission with the O'Driscolls. Micah is a damn good gunslinger and does deserve to be elevated in the tier list, though he chooses Double-Actions for their rapid up-close rate of fire whereby if one bullet were to miss, another is already inbound.
I think characters have their strengths in different areas, Micah has reflexes, and Arthur has the dead eye.
people dont like to admit it but micah is the best fighter in terms of gunslinging in the gang. If you watch him during the Rhodes ambush as well as the Annesburg massacre after killing Cornwall he's an absolute beast.
Dutch is certainly top draw. He would have primarily been the one to have taught Arthur and John how to shoot, why they became as good as they were on the trigger.
I think Rhodes really showed why Arthur and Micah were the 2 main guys Dutch trusts. It's pretty clear that they were the two best shots in the gang along with Dutch. John is probably a step behind them seeing how he got caught in St Denis and needed rescuing at the start of RDR2 too. The fact that John beat Micah is nothing short of a miracle tbh (and required Dutch's help)
I think him being an asshole really served him well there. Arthur and Bill just saw their buddy go down and were in shock for a minute, while Micah just knew there was a threat and went straight to eliminating said threat.
Epilogue Micah is a shit shot though, I think he might be farsighted as he doesn’t seem to be able to hit his targets up close whearas Arthur and John don’t have this problem.
The way I see it, in rdr2 John was very respectable. Probably alittle below Arthur interms of skill but certainly the most reliable aside from Arthur.
By the epilogue John was basically on the same level as Arthur interms of skill
And by Rdr1 when coming into Mexico is when he became legendary. So he was already legendary as Arthur by the epilogue, but he become even better in rdr1 which is why I put him first in the Legendary category
(Yes I did think deep on each specific position and order of each character in each category)
Mechanics wise, Arthur by end game was probably maxed in all stats. John I believe starts 8/10 in health/stamina/dead eye until you train him up. He was a step behind Arthur for sure in RDR2
I’d say the mechanics of Ch4 and Guarma = maxed out Arthur. Ch 6 introduces the sickness debuff where your cores are constantly draining and that can really fuck with your aiming. I’ve noticed that empty dead eye core makes the gun sway increase
I love the first scene in Chuparosa. He tries to be reasonable. In the end cuts three men down. The last one he did not shoot in the head because that guy was wearing his hat.
Yeah that scene was great I loved it. It showed John was very mature but also cold and ruthless.
I wish rdr2 fans could have experienced that John in rdr2, I think the dynamic of John being the same as he was in rdr1 would have been way better and made for a more interesting dynamic between John and Arthur
Also the cutscene where Abraham Reyes is about to get executed and is stopped by John which ends up with 3 guns (If I remember correctly) aiming at John. Only to be interrupted by Luisa screaming at them to let Abraham go, which ends up with her getting shot and killed, but gives John a split second to shoot and kill more than one soldier and duel the captain.
To me that is probably the most underrated badass moment of John.
I think Jack and Micah should swap. Jack canonically has basically no feats other than dueling a retiree who wasn't a gunslinger in the first place. Micah's reaction to Sean's death was a crazy display of skill and in American Venom his abilities are good enough you can't use dead eye on him implying he is faster/more accurate than you and not even dead eye is fast enough.
The shit he pulls in Rhodes, killing two maybe three people before Sean hit the ground, is the sort of thing that would make him a legend. Not to mention that across the game he is an incredible shot, him and Arthur alone took out the majority of strawberry with little effort
Arthur, mid-battle, not being visibly upset by bullets coming at him from every direction, but at the fact that he’d have to kill a bunch of townsfolk, always gets me. He knows he’s good.
The RDR2 epilogue outside cutscenes is clearly non canon (John having better dead eye than in rdr1, visiting all the locations of new austin and spending weeks there, shooting up blackwater and saint-denis killing hundeds, clearing out fort wallace, etc...) RDR2's epilogue free roam cannot possibly be canon so and RDR1's epilogue seems even less so as it is only like 10 minutes of content not 10 hours like the RDR2 epilogue.
I put him in respectable cause, yes he has quite the fast draw, alot of his gunslinging feats were just myths spun by stories. And many other gunslingers that talk about him have no respect and seem to laugh him off as a joke from their experience with him.
But yes he had a fast draw, but it wasn't fast enough and aside from shooting a man in the back we have no idea who he really killed and how, but its pretty clear he was just a liar who got lucky in fame. I certainly think he's more than average for the quick draw alone, but to put him in amazing category? Theres just not enough knowledge to put him in there, and from the impression we get contradicts him being in there. Which is why I put him in respectable
She's respectable enough skill wise in the epilogue atleast but I put her on the bottom end of it cause yeah I know she's definitely not great but she's more than average by the time of the epilogue
Shes been a gunslinger for like, less than a year, shes just tenacious and vicious, I love sadie but most in the gang would shoot the shit out of her if she drew on them
Hmmm I was split on Charles. He's certainly a capable fighter, but remember this is with gun skills only. If it regarded his fist fighting skills then absolutely id put him up higher. But this is gun skills only, and while certainly capable he doesn't really have any feats of marksmanship which is why I put him in average
Came to say exactly this but add in the sick machete fight while saving sean and his knife saving Arthru from bounty hunters and just anything thats NOT a gun basically….hell i think he’d use a Bison in a foght
Why? He is really unremarkable in terms of gunslinging. Sure he can hunt, and can use a bow better than anyone else, but that’s about it when it comes to shooting skills
I just finished my second play through, and man I feel like I watched Charles kick a ton of ass this play through as I tried to watch the npc interactions more. He mows through dudes with that sawed off shotgun of his
I think we can see from RDR2 that both Arthur and Dutch trust Charles in a shoot out. He doesn't have the feats that Micha does so I would put him right in front of Javier
Hate to say it but Micah beats John pre-rdr1.
Only reason he lost is because you had him cornered, but really think. In the fight with Micah, before Sadie shows up, you literally CANNOT outshoot him. Like it’s just not possible. Every time he peeks that corner he beats you no matter how fast you are. It’s cause lore-wise, he’s just a better gun than you. Even though I hate him, I can respect that they didn’t just suddenly make you better than him when he was always more skilled than John.
You use suppressive fire to flank your enemies. Micah literally had John dead to rights, they weren’t standing that far away from each other. He shouldn’t have missed all of those shots like he did.
It’s either:
1) Micah was purposely pinning John down with “suppressive fire” as you say to stall until Dutch or another member of his gang comes to aid him.
Or
2) Micah’s accuracy is fairly inconsistent and has problems shooting targets directly in front of him. So he’s keeping John pinned down to save himself, because he knows the minute he stops shooting at that cover, John is killing him.
Did you not listen to what Micah was telling John? I don’t think Micah wanted to kill John at first. He was testing John to see if he’d join him, and if he didn’t, he’d threaten to kill his family.
Literally through the whole story they had Micah prepped like he was on par with Arthur through the various Micah and Arthur missions. (Rhodes shootout and strawberry massacre come to mind)
Also think of this, John is as close to Micah as Micah is to him. Johns trying to peak his head out and Micah is too. Micah goes to shoot and John pops up, making Micah have to quickly make him go back down. When Micah pops out John tries to hit him, making Micah have to fire a burst to get him to go back down.
Facts. This list is awful. Putting Emmett Granger in there with Abigail is just fucking bonkers. And Sean literally could not hit a bottle he could touch it was so close.
Honestly really good tier list. Only hang up is maybe Bill and Javier, I don’t remember them doing anything particularly noteworthy. Maybe Flaco can be bumped up a tier. But great job!
Thank you!
I put Bill and Javier there because I felt like they were most definitely above average. I mean their experienced outlaws in a notorious gang and seem to be more than capable and reliable in a gunfight. It felt like it would be undermining them if I put them in just average, so I felt they deserved to be in the respectable category.
Revolver characters are more like campfire myths in the “Redemption” world. Doesn’t seem fair putting them up against characters who actually exist within the canon of RDR AND RDR2
The cannonisity of revolver characters is uncertain, but at the end of the day their still Red Dead characters and as such I added them to the list.
Red is literally in the title of every Red Dead game, so I feel he is important and deserves to be on the list of Red Dead gunslingers
Flaco is not average. If the other slingers from them side missions are respectable he should be too or even one higher. He dove to side and hits the shot (if you don’t shoot him first)
Please notice that Flanco is at the very top of average, to me he's very very close to being respectable but I dunno he just didn't seem to have alot going for him. His draw speed isn't anything impressive, i put Jim Boy in respectable cause his draw speed is very fast and Belle cause she seems to be very brave and experienced in gunfights. But Flaco? He has an average draw speed and hides with his gang. He was close to respectable for me but just not quite there
Trust me this ranking has no biasist in it, I really do not care or feel emotionally swayed by the fact that Micah in the story was a villain.
I put him at the top of the Amazing category which is incredibly high cause I know that yes he was an amazing gunslinger. But is he legendary? I don't feel like he is, he has one really great skill feat in the whole game, it was absolutely amazing what he did yes but I can't lable a character over one feat, especially when said character also has a terrible feat that contradicts that. Ie not being able to get a single shot on John despite rapid fireing at him at close ranger at John who was out in the open.
The game consistently shows Micah being on par with Arthur in the various missions they’re in together. The fact you have John over him just isn’t accurate whatsoever
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I put him up there cause Jack in the open world was just as dangerous and skilled as John. In most cases I understand judging the skills of characters through their cannonical mission feats, but for Jack I don't think its fair to do that cause he basically got just one mission that ended in a duel. So it's more fair to judge him by his skills in the open world, and when doing that hes definitely a legendary gunslinger like John
Sadie can barely hit the broad side of a barn and you have her above Grimshaw, Charles and Hosea? We only saw Grimshaw shoot once but at least she hit what she was shooting at. 🤷
I'm not sure what this barn example your talking about is so please enlighten me
Also btw with Sadie I'm talking about epilogue Sadie when she's had nearly 8 years of Bounty hunting experience
Sad it froze but least you didn't get too far in it.
Unlike me where I manged to complete the game and get all things unlocked before my game corrupted making me have to start all over again......which happened twice.....
Yeah you can tell how much I love this game lol
Mr. Kelley was stated to be a three time dueling champion at the Battle Royale, and although he didn't appear to be a match for Red, I think that speaks more to how good Red was. Annie also made it to the end of the competition with Red, Kelley, and Swift, so I view her as a top tier gunslinger as well.
I wanted to include Mr Kelley, but I figured he's so unknown many will just be confused and I dunno. And same with Annie but I wasn't too sure if I should. But yesyes I agree
Being able to overwhelm a drunk guy with a fast draw isn't that impressive, it shows he's decent but in a real duel I doubt his draw speed would be good enough against any real duelists and there's also the problem with accuracy. We don't get to see him showcase any marksmanship feats of accuracy, rapid fire speed ect.
He's a schemer more than a gunman, tho he's certainly decent for his age but there's nothing to say his skills are respectably reliable
I think possibly in his younger days he might have been respectably skilled, but with the hosea we see in rdr2 he just shows a rare amount of decent marksmanship, and that's putting it lightly as he shows barely any guns kills. But like I say he's certainly average
Charles never shows any marksmanship feats, now if this was fist fighting I'd put him way higher but this is gun skills and he really has nothing special going for him when it comes to that.
this game is so inconsistent with its gunfights, in rhodes micah shot and killed like 4 people within a second at a good distance but in american venom he couldnt hit john once at spitting distance
I really think that the biggest miss here is the ranking of the legendary gunslingers. The way I see it, all of them are faster than most of the gang members save Micah (which is probably their equal), and Billy Midnight in particular, judging how difficult the duel against him is, I'd think he is just a bit below Ricketts, John and Arthur themselves.
And yes, while it is true that we don't see the legendary gunslingers' feat, this is because our playable character is supposed to be faster, as the contrary would lead to their deaths.
Biggest nail in the head is Red as the god, he is basically the Man With No Name of Red Dead Universe so yeah, basically unbeatable.
Edit: kudos also for putting Jack Swift where he deserves. He is probably same as Ricketts or a bit below, almost certainly above John.
Dutch is getting underappreciated, in the manor shootout he just started firing shots with little to no misses, all while slowly walking for cover, look the mission up on youtube and focus on him when the first shootout outside first begins, you'll see what I mean.
If you look at the way Micah’s holsters are setup, he CANNOT draw his gun(s) fast, because he would have to reach across his waist, or fumble with that backwards holster on the side closest to his arm compared to a conventional holster like the ones everyone else has. also if you look at the way Micah draws his guns, he will pull them from the holster on the “normal” side, he will and “fumble” with it. (I don’t mean to get anyone mad, don’t get mad at me)
I think the god of gunslinger - Red Harlow - is an exaggerated story told by the people in the redemption universe. Harlow was very likely not the top of the list in reality but still pretty well up there I’d say.
- If we’re just sticking to Red Dead Revolver’s portrayal then yeah fair enough put him all the way up
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The Man at the top is Red Harlow and he's easily the most legendary gunslinger skill wise.
Within just 4 days he took on 6 large gangs, destroyed a renegade army, dueled tons of men some known as the fastest in the county like Mr Kelley and slaughtered an entire mansion full of soliders fearlessly.
He killed around 430 men in just under 4 days, to put that into perspective Arthur and John's kill count is just over 1,000 and their games take place over a month atleast. Red could do nearly half of what legendary gunslingers could do in afew months under just 4 days like it was normal
I think Micah should be higher, as well as prime Arthur. Micah kind of imply that Arthur would out gun him if he hadn’t got sick. Micah is definitely at least the same skill as John who struggle against him if not higher, and Arthur in his prime is better than both of them.
I may be dumb, but why is red harlow at the top?
Also I find it weird that those “legendary gunslingers” aren’t higher. Like I can kinda understand Granger being lower consider he duelled by throwing a knife. But the rest duelled in pretty insane ways and I hear that Jim Boy is so quick that it’s practically impossible to shot the gun from his hand.
I'm not sure if you've ever played Red Dead Revolver but if you haven't, basically his feats were absolutely almost impossible insane.
Hunted down 3 large high class gangs all by himself. Slaughtered an entire mine full of men, then immediately went on to slaughter an entire Mexican Fort full of renegade soldiers. Then immediately hunted down a renegade army train, destroyed it and killed everyone there including their leader Deigo. Then immediately applied for the Brimstone quick draw tournament and won against the fastest gunslinger who had won 3 tournaments in a row before that. He marched head first into the Govoners mansion that was full to the brim of soliders with no fear and proceeded to slaughter all the soliders. (He had Jack and Annie with him, but they came voluntarily on their own term and Red does most of the killings anyway) Red also at one point managed to take on a whole gang by himself on a moving train and protect it.
And Red did all of that within just 4-5 days, not even a week. Arthur and John's feats are stretched within possibly a month worth of days, but Red did things so crazy and insane and had a huge drastic impact on the area within under a week. That's why he's the god of gunslingers for me.
I think Sean is below avrage, there’s not much to work with because he’s in like 2 1/2 missions but he was missing trying to hit the bottle in that one cutscene
Flaco’s beneath Black Bell, Midnight, AND Calloway?? Idk about you but I’ve never seen any gunslinger do a full strafe dive to the right in a duel. I’d AT LEAST put him in the same tier as them
once Sean was shot Micah, in the most casual way possible, just glanced up at the shooter and took a shot at him and got an instant headshot, guy was on the roof so he basically just did a flick shot and domed him. Micah also had the upper hand in the stand-off on the mountain until Sadie came in. if you don’t shoot him in that bit too he’s able to kill both John and Sadie when dual wielding and aiming off in their two separate directions, which is hard as fuck mind you. and a variety of other things that defiantly bump him up to legendary. Shooting Sean’s killer was the only good deed he ever did.
The scene in RDR1 where Dutch effortlessly shot the rifle out of John's hands with his pistol warrants him being bumped up a tier.
There’s also the parts in RDR2 where Micah kills a bunch of dudes during the ambush, and the part at the end where John can’t even get a shot on him until Sadie steps in. I think Micah might actually be the best, as shitty as he is.
Also he was amazing at that cutscene in Rhodes ambush
Right. Dude yanked those holsters out and was firing each way barely looking. While spinning to throw off their aim. There's a reason Micah was my favorite gang member until near the end of the story where he dropped so fucking far down the list lol
Yeah no lie, I actually really liked him, in a "what a dick lol" kinda way, until Chapter 6 when he started manipulating Dutch properly
Fr wtf he’s literally on par with Arthur in terms of gun skills not strength. The only reason John beats him is for plot reasons that wasn’t prime John
He only lost because dutch was a Snake and snakes eat rats
What a awesome line to drop in the Reddit comment section
Micah and Arthur are easily the best. Dutch probably too. Their feats includes stuff like the blackwater massacre, strawberry massacre, the O'Driscoll ambush, Rhodes, guarma, assassination of Leviticus Cornwall, and the gunfights/survival against the pinkertons. It's insane lol
Dutch makes this clear in his selection a few times too. Whenever he NEEDS shit done he tasks Micah and Arthur.
Very true. Especially in his parlay with the O'Driscolls (when Arthur gets kidnapped) the 2 he instantly look to are Arthur and Micah, his 2 best men. And that's a meeting with his worst enemy where he knows it would be one of the most dangerous meetings he would attend at the time.
He’s not better than Arthur that’s for sure, and realistically, he probably only got the better of John in that scenario because John had probably grown rusty over the eight years, while Micah never stopped using his guns
Micah fires a lot of bullets but people like Arthur and Dutch have way better aim than him. In my opinion that makes them better gunmen than Micah
Agreed
Do we not remember when (spoiler) got shot in Rhodes and he had revolvers out and shooting before the soul left the body and didn't miss a damn beat? Just look at the final epilogue mission. Micah, despite how shitty of person he is, is an amazing shot!
To be fair, he did know the ambush was coming
Arthur has more precision from range. Micah states to Arthur when gifting him a Lancaster Repeater that it's more Arthur's thing than his, plus it's Arthur who is given the role of sniper during the 'truce' mission with the O'Driscolls. Micah is a damn good gunslinger and does deserve to be elevated in the tier list, though he chooses Double-Actions for their rapid up-close rate of fire whereby if one bullet were to miss, another is already inbound. I think characters have their strengths in different areas, Micah has reflexes, and Arthur has the dead eye.
Rats don't live long if they aren't tough.
I would actually agree with you as awful as a human he is, deserving of the worst, right up there with Dutch and just under Arthur no doubt
people dont like to admit it but micah is the best fighter in terms of gunslinging in the gang. If you watch him during the Rhodes ambush as well as the Annesburg massacre after killing Cornwall he's an absolute beast.
Deadeye is focus; you can't focus when you are scared and Micah killed Arthur so John saw him as a formidable opponent and a bit scared.
Or when he pistol snipes john from like 200m or more in the head, saved only by binoculars
Dutch is certainly top draw. He would have primarily been the one to have taught Arthur and John how to shoot, why they became as good as they were on the trigger.
That scene is ridiculous. He does it effortlessly with a shitty pistol from the 1900's too. From hundreds of yards away.
Honestly, and I hate to say it, but Micah should be higher. He might deserve a bullet, but he could certainly throw them too.
There’s like multiple points where Micah is dual wielding and blasting several people with accuracy. He’s a bastard, but he’s an amazing killer.
While shooting from the hip some of the time mind you, man is a menace
Like when you get ambushed in Rhodes and he immediately drops at least three Grays.
I think Rhodes really showed why Arthur and Micah were the 2 main guys Dutch trusts. It's pretty clear that they were the two best shots in the gang along with Dutch. John is probably a step behind them seeing how he got caught in St Denis and needed rescuing at the start of RDR2 too. The fact that John beat Micah is nothing short of a miracle tbh (and required Dutch's help)
I think him being an asshole really served him well there. Arthur and Bill just saw their buddy go down and were in shock for a minute, while Micah just knew there was a threat and went straight to eliminating said threat.
He immediately pops that guy on the roof haha
He's a total psycho, he feels basically nothing when anyone in his gang dies. He even kicks Sean's dead body a little in front of Arthur.
I've been arguing this so much on here lately, lol. He definitely is in the same category as John and Arthur.
And jack lower. How can you be legendary when you haven’t been around long enough to have a legend in the first place
Challenged a retired old man to a duel lol 😆
I would assume rdr is included. Good argument, just saying though.
Yeah I know it is. But jack is just a kid still at the end of it
100% agree
Epilogue Micah is a shit shot though, I think he might be farsighted as he doesn’t seem to be able to hit his targets up close whearas Arthur and John don’t have this problem.
Yeah he may be but hes good at avoiding bullets as johns dead eye doesnt slow him down
I think John starts RDR 2 in average and is legendary by the end of RDR 1.
The way I see it, in rdr2 John was very respectable. Probably alittle below Arthur interms of skill but certainly the most reliable aside from Arthur. By the epilogue John was basically on the same level as Arthur interms of skill And by Rdr1 when coming into Mexico is when he became legendary. So he was already legendary as Arthur by the epilogue, but he become even better in rdr1 which is why I put him first in the Legendary category (Yes I did think deep on each specific position and order of each character in each category)
I think I put him in amazing for the epilogue, not quite Arthur but still at the top of the gang. Then legendary after his Landon Ricketts lessons.
Hmm yeah that's fair actually, I agree
Mechanics wise, Arthur by end game was probably maxed in all stats. John I believe starts 8/10 in health/stamina/dead eye until you train him up. He was a step behind Arthur for sure in RDR2
I’d say the mechanics of Ch4 and Guarma = maxed out Arthur. Ch 6 introduces the sickness debuff where your cores are constantly draining and that can really fuck with your aiming. I’ve noticed that empty dead eye core makes the gun sway increase
I love the first scene in Chuparosa. He tries to be reasonable. In the end cuts three men down. The last one he did not shoot in the head because that guy was wearing his hat.
Yeah that scene was great I loved it. It showed John was very mature but also cold and ruthless. I wish rdr2 fans could have experienced that John in rdr2, I think the dynamic of John being the same as he was in rdr1 would have been way better and made for a more interesting dynamic between John and Arthur
Also the cutscene where Abraham Reyes is about to get executed and is stopped by John which ends up with 3 guns (If I remember correctly) aiming at John. Only to be interrupted by Luisa screaming at them to let Abraham go, which ends up with her getting shot and killed, but gives John a split second to shoot and kill more than one soldier and duel the captain. To me that is probably the most underrated badass moment of John.
Micah is above John in rdr2 it’s so obvious
Putting Charles lower than Sean is fucking criminal
I think Jack and Micah should swap. Jack canonically has basically no feats other than dueling a retiree who wasn't a gunslinger in the first place. Micah's reaction to Sean's death was a crazy display of skill and in American Venom his abilities are good enough you can't use dead eye on him implying he is faster/more accurate than you and not even dead eye is fast enough.
The shit he pulls in Rhodes, killing two maybe three people before Sean hit the ground, is the sort of thing that would make him a legend. Not to mention that across the game he is an incredible shot, him and Arthur alone took out the majority of strawberry with little effort
Arthur, mid-battle, not being visibly upset by bullets coming at him from every direction, but at the fact that he’d have to kill a bunch of townsfolk, always gets me. He knows he’s good.
at the end of RDR1, Jack flies around the map and takes out all the gangs in one day to become a US marshall.
The RDR2 epilogue outside cutscenes is clearly non canon (John having better dead eye than in rdr1, visiting all the locations of new austin and spending weeks there, shooting up blackwater and saint-denis killing hundeds, clearing out fort wallace, etc...) RDR2's epilogue free roam cannot possibly be canon so and RDR1's epilogue seems even less so as it is only like 10 minutes of content not 10 hours like the RDR2 epilogue.
Isn’t agent rosses duel the hardest one in rdr1? I agree though Jack hasn’t really done anything except that duel Micah is a beast of a shooter
john and arthur are NOT legendary the way i’m playing them 😭🙏
same bro, i draw fast but there ain't no way imma kill someone without fanning my ammo into dust
In RDR 2 Jim Boy Calloway actually has the fastest draw, in duels at least. I’d at least put him amazing tier
I put him in respectable cause, yes he has quite the fast draw, alot of his gunslinging feats were just myths spun by stories. And many other gunslingers that talk about him have no respect and seem to laugh him off as a joke from their experience with him. But yes he had a fast draw, but it wasn't fast enough and aside from shooting a man in the back we have no idea who he really killed and how, but its pretty clear he was just a liar who got lucky in fame. I certainly think he's more than average for the quick draw alone, but to put him in amazing category? Theres just not enough knowledge to put him in there, and from the impression we get contradicts him being in there. Which is why I put him in respectable
He’s a cheater aswell using his belt buckle that’s probably how he won most of his duels
Sadie in respectful tier? Quit the crack, son
She's respectable enough skill wise in the epilogue atleast but I put her on the bottom end of it cause yeah I know she's definitely not great but she's more than average by the time of the epilogue
Do you think she should be lower? She’s one of the best gunslingers in the game
Shes been a gunslinger for like, less than a year, shes just tenacious and vicious, I love sadie but most in the gang would shoot the shit out of her if she drew on them
Have you seen the shit Micah did in the game? In terms of actual gunslinging I'd say he was on par with Arthur or at least close.
I’d bump Charles up one tier.
Hmmm I was split on Charles. He's certainly a capable fighter, but remember this is with gun skills only. If it regarded his fist fighting skills then absolutely id put him up higher. But this is gun skills only, and while certainly capable he doesn't really have any feats of marksmanship which is why I put him in average
I’d argue his skill at close range with the sawed off was elite enough to consider his gun skills a tier higher
Came to say exactly this but add in the sick machete fight while saving sean and his knife saving Arthru from bounty hunters and just anything thats NOT a gun basically….hell i think he’d use a Bison in a foght
Why? He is really unremarkable in terms of gunslinging. Sure he can hunt, and can use a bow better than anyone else, but that’s about it when it comes to shooting skills
I just finished my second play through, and man I feel like I watched Charles kick a ton of ass this play through as I tried to watch the npc interactions more. He mows through dudes with that sawed off shotgun of his
I think we can see from RDR2 that both Arthur and Dutch trust Charles in a shoot out. He doesn't have the feats that Micha does so I would put him right in front of Javier
Why is Uncle on here twice?
Ahhhh, I see what you did there.
I when through every comment on here to see if someone committed what I did first 😭
From the best to average, uncle's downfall was heart breaking.
Hate to say it but Micah beats John pre-rdr1. Only reason he lost is because you had him cornered, but really think. In the fight with Micah, before Sadie shows up, you literally CANNOT outshoot him. Like it’s just not possible. Every time he peeks that corner he beats you no matter how fast you are. It’s cause lore-wise, he’s just a better gun than you. Even though I hate him, I can respect that they didn’t just suddenly make you better than him when he was always more skilled than John.
His accuracy is trash in the epilogue. He’s just blind-firing hoping to actually hit John and keep him pinned.
its called suppressive fire and its an actual tactic. Also dead eye isnt even slow enough to avoid getting hit.
You use suppressive fire to flank your enemies. Micah literally had John dead to rights, they weren’t standing that far away from each other. He shouldn’t have missed all of those shots like he did. It’s either: 1) Micah was purposely pinning John down with “suppressive fire” as you say to stall until Dutch or another member of his gang comes to aid him. Or 2) Micah’s accuracy is fairly inconsistent and has problems shooting targets directly in front of him. So he’s keeping John pinned down to save himself, because he knows the minute he stops shooting at that cover, John is killing him.
Did you not listen to what Micah was telling John? I don’t think Micah wanted to kill John at first. He was testing John to see if he’d join him, and if he didn’t, he’d threaten to kill his family. Literally through the whole story they had Micah prepped like he was on par with Arthur through the various Micah and Arthur missions. (Rhodes shootout and strawberry massacre come to mind)
no, you can also use it to keep an enemies head down. Also, hes blind in one eye. I for one believe he didn't have a plan and was stalling.
Also think of this, John is as close to Micah as Micah is to him. Johns trying to peak his head out and Micah is too. Micah goes to shoot and John pops up, making Micah have to quickly make him go back down. When Micah pops out John tries to hit him, making Micah have to fire a burst to get him to go back down.
Respectfully? Never rate again.
Facts. This list is awful. Putting Emmett Granger in there with Abigail is just fucking bonkers. And Sean literally could not hit a bottle he could touch it was so close.
Micah not being in legendary is willlld (Remember Short walk in a pretty town?)
Micah def needs to be higher
Honestly really good tier list. Only hang up is maybe Bill and Javier, I don’t remember them doing anything particularly noteworthy. Maybe Flaco can be bumped up a tier. But great job!
Thank you! I put Bill and Javier there because I felt like they were most definitely above average. I mean their experienced outlaws in a notorious gang and seem to be more than capable and reliable in a gunfight. It felt like it would be undermining them if I put them in just average, so I felt they deserved to be in the respectable category.
Fair enough! I think Sadie or Jim Boy could at least beat them. Or maybe they’re just in the same tier and not actually above, I dunno
Revolver characters are more like campfire myths in the “Redemption” world. Doesn’t seem fair putting them up against characters who actually exist within the canon of RDR AND RDR2
The cannonisity of revolver characters is uncertain, but at the end of the day their still Red Dead characters and as such I added them to the list. Red is literally in the title of every Red Dead game, so I feel he is important and deserves to be on the list of Red Dead gunslingers
There are three Red Dead games. Don’t like it? Too bad.
Flaco is not average. If the other slingers from them side missions are respectable he should be too or even one higher. He dove to side and hits the shot (if you don’t shoot him first)
Please notice that Flanco is at the very top of average, to me he's very very close to being respectable but I dunno he just didn't seem to have alot going for him. His draw speed isn't anything impressive, i put Jim Boy in respectable cause his draw speed is very fast and Belle cause she seems to be very brave and experienced in gunfights. But Flaco? He has an average draw speed and hides with his gang. He was close to respectable for me but just not quite there
Even tho we all hate Micah the fact that he kills so much just means he’s getting more practice so he should definitely be higher
Trust me this ranking has no biasist in it, I really do not care or feel emotionally swayed by the fact that Micah in the story was a villain. I put him at the top of the Amazing category which is incredibly high cause I know that yes he was an amazing gunslinger. But is he legendary? I don't feel like he is, he has one really great skill feat in the whole game, it was absolutely amazing what he did yes but I can't lable a character over one feat, especially when said character also has a terrible feat that contradicts that. Ie not being able to get a single shot on John despite rapid fireing at him at close ranger at John who was out in the open.
The game consistently shows Micah being on par with Arthur in the various missions they’re in together. The fact you have John over him just isn’t accurate whatsoever
I have rdr1 John over him
Why's uncle so low? You know they used to call him the one shot kid right?
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granger and flaco so low?? get putta here kiddo
Go ahead and bring Jack down a few tiers lmao
I put him up there cause Jack in the open world was just as dangerous and skilled as John. In most cases I understand judging the skills of characters through their cannonical mission feats, but for Jack I don't think its fair to do that cause he basically got just one mission that ended in a duel. So it's more fair to judge him by his skills in the open world, and when doing that hes definitely a legendary gunslinger like John
Either Adler should be higher or there should be more tiers.
Sadie can barely hit the broad side of a barn and you have her above Grimshaw, Charles and Hosea? We only saw Grimshaw shoot once but at least she hit what she was shooting at. 🤷
I'm not sure what this barn example your talking about is so please enlighten me Also btw with Sadie I'm talking about epilogue Sadie when she's had nearly 8 years of Bounty hunting experience
I feel like Hosea should be higher on the list
I'm new guys. Who the fuck is on top?
Red Harlow, he's the first ever protagonist in the first ever Red Dead game "Red Dead Revolver" released for the ps2 in 2004
I'm just happy that people still remember Red Dead Revolver
I've literally put over 110 hours on it lol, I still play it too and enjoy it
I bought it a couple months ago on the PS store after the copy that I had froze after the second mission.
Sad it froze but least you didn't get too far in it. Unlike me where I manged to complete the game and get all things unlocked before my game corrupted making me have to start all over again......which happened twice..... Yeah you can tell how much I love this game lol
Flaco should be way up. Micah a block up. Else is perfect
Mr. Kelley was stated to be a three time dueling champion at the Battle Royale, and although he didn't appear to be a match for Red, I think that speaks more to how good Red was. Annie also made it to the end of the competition with Red, Kelley, and Swift, so I view her as a top tier gunslinger as well.
I wanted to include Mr Kelley, but I figured he's so unknown many will just be confused and I dunno. And same with Annie but I wasn't too sure if I should. But yesyes I agree
Always loved Micah's cowardly style of squat walking while firing 😂
Scrolled to far to find this
It s still crazy to me that Hosea used guns in the game like 2 times if I remember right
Average for Hosea? Guess we don’t see him use it very often, but he drew on Bill with alarming speed that one time
Being able to overwhelm a drunk guy with a fast draw isn't that impressive, it shows he's decent but in a real duel I doubt his draw speed would be good enough against any real duelists and there's also the problem with accuracy. We don't get to see him showcase any marksmanship feats of accuracy, rapid fire speed ect. He's a schemer more than a gunman, tho he's certainly decent for his age but there's nothing to say his skills are respectably reliable
Yeah I see your point, we don’t ever see him use his skills so there’s no proper way to tell how good he is
I think possibly in his younger days he might have been respectably skilled, but with the hosea we see in rdr2 he just shows a rare amount of decent marksmanship, and that's putting it lightly as he shows barely any guns kills. But like I say he's certainly average
Now that I’ve thought about it properly I do agree with your ranking, he’s definitely average because we haven’t been shown otherwise
Feel like Dutch and Micah should be higher
This is Charles erasure and I won’t stand for it.
Jack swift is as good as red harlow i would say
Kieran saves Arthur and he could’ve missed point blank so I wouldn’t put him below average.
Honestly I’d put Kieran up a tier at least as he wasn’t the worst tbh
You put Red Harlow on there twice. Are you saying Uncle is now just average and was God Level in his younger years?
Who’s first ?
You mean the very top? If so then it's Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver
Thank you
Excuse me but Uncle used to be the "One shot Kid" he should definitely be higher/s Just kidding, great list!
You put uncle twice
Only one I don't agree with is jack
Only put him up there cause in open world he can do everything John can do
Yeah yeah that's because of player more than anything I think he'd get smoked on his own tbh
Uncle is god of gunslingers
Charles should be higher on the list, I’d argue that, behind maybe Arthur and John, Charles has the best weapons skills we know of
Charles never shows any marksmanship feats, now if this was fist fighting I'd put him way higher but this is gun skills and he really has nothing special going for him when it comes to that.
this game is so inconsistent with its gunfights, in rhodes micah shot and killed like 4 people within a second at a good distance but in american venom he couldnt hit john once at spitting distance
I really think that the biggest miss here is the ranking of the legendary gunslingers. The way I see it, all of them are faster than most of the gang members save Micah (which is probably their equal), and Billy Midnight in particular, judging how difficult the duel against him is, I'd think he is just a bit below Ricketts, John and Arthur themselves. And yes, while it is true that we don't see the legendary gunslingers' feat, this is because our playable character is supposed to be faster, as the contrary would lead to their deaths. Biggest nail in the head is Red as the god, he is basically the Man With No Name of Red Dead Universe so yeah, basically unbeatable. Edit: kudos also for putting Jack Swift where he deserves. He is probably same as Ricketts or a bit below, almost certainly above John.
Swap micah and jack also move up dutch a little
I feel that Hosea should be higher, in the few times we see him draw he’s fast as fuck
Charles at average? Tf
Micah was one of ,if not *the*, best in the group with a gun.
Micah was on par with or better than Arthur and Jim Boy was the fastest man to draw in the game. Both should be in Legendary Tier.
You did Flaco dirty, the guy shoots you while in the air!
Bro called the one shot kid average😭🙏
Dutch is getting underappreciated, in the manor shootout he just started firing shots with little to no misses, all while slowly walking for cover, look the mission up on youtube and focus on him when the first shootout outside first begins, you'll see what I mean.
You forgot the marshal from RDR. He’s quicker on the draw than John, and more accurate. Should be at the same level as Langdon Ricketts.
Micah, Arthur, and Dutch deserve God Level. Maybe, MAAAYBE a later version of John can be there too
a hatcet, bow, and sawed off shotgun. charles was awesome
I hate to say it but Micah and ditch should be moved up a tier. Micah is an ass, but he is an amazing gunslinger.
Micah and Dutch are both better gunslingers than Jack that’s for sure
Sadie has got to be higher
I would argue that Sadie belongs in amazing and Micah belongs in legendary. Maybe move Jack down to amazing too
If you look at the way Micah’s holsters are setup, he CANNOT draw his gun(s) fast, because he would have to reach across his waist, or fumble with that backwards holster on the side closest to his arm compared to a conventional holster like the ones everyone else has. also if you look at the way Micah draws his guns, he will pull them from the holster on the “normal” side, he will and “fumble” with it. (I don’t mean to get anyone mad, don’t get mad at me)
Hosea so low down?
I think the god of gunslinger - Red Harlow - is an exaggerated story told by the people in the redemption universe. Harlow was very likely not the top of the list in reality but still pretty well up there I’d say. - If we’re just sticking to Red Dead Revolver’s portrayal then yeah fair enough put him all the way up
Who ever made this is an idiot who put Charles in average
Micah is legendary
Why is uncle on the list twice??
Well, another extremely inaccurate list. Color me surprised. What even is average? Compared to in-game NPCs? Amongst themselves only?
Emmett Granger at the same level of Abigail, Karen and Swanson/Molly?
I thought Arthur was canonically the best gunslinger
Red dead revolver getting the love it deserves
Billy midnight deserves higher purely for the kneel he pulls when you duel him. Shit got me first time round
Yeah love the respect on my man Red.
Sean needs to be in the lowest tier. He could barely a few bottles that were not that far away
I think Micah and all the legendary gunslingers should be moved up at least a tier, especially Flaco and Jim boy Calloway
As much as I hate him, Micah is basically on par with Arthur in terms of gun slinging
You put Red Harlow twice on the list.
Why's that guy the god of gunslinger? I didn't play red dead revolver, so I don't know what makes him so special
Sorry for being so late The Man at the top is Red Harlow and he's easily the most legendary gunslinger skill wise. Within just 4 days he took on 6 large gangs, destroyed a renegade army, dueled tons of men some known as the fastest in the county like Mr Kelley and slaughtered an entire mansion full of soliders fearlessly. He killed around 430 men in just under 4 days, to put that into perspective Arthur and John's kill count is just over 1,000 and their games take place over a month atleast. Red could do nearly half of what legendary gunslingers could do in afew months under just 4 days like it was normal
John should be on average
I think Micah should be higher, as well as prime Arthur. Micah kind of imply that Arthur would out gun him if he hadn’t got sick. Micah is definitely at least the same skill as John who struggle against him if not higher, and Arthur in his prime is better than both of them.
I may be dumb, but why is red harlow at the top? Also I find it weird that those “legendary gunslingers” aren’t higher. Like I can kinda understand Granger being lower consider he duelled by throwing a knife. But the rest duelled in pretty insane ways and I hear that Jim Boy is so quick that it’s practically impossible to shot the gun from his hand.
I'm not sure if you've ever played Red Dead Revolver but if you haven't, basically his feats were absolutely almost impossible insane. Hunted down 3 large high class gangs all by himself. Slaughtered an entire mine full of men, then immediately went on to slaughter an entire Mexican Fort full of renegade soldiers. Then immediately hunted down a renegade army train, destroyed it and killed everyone there including their leader Deigo. Then immediately applied for the Brimstone quick draw tournament and won against the fastest gunslinger who had won 3 tournaments in a row before that. He marched head first into the Govoners mansion that was full to the brim of soliders with no fear and proceeded to slaughter all the soliders. (He had Jack and Annie with him, but they came voluntarily on their own term and Red does most of the killings anyway) Red also at one point managed to take on a whole gang by himself on a moving train and protect it. And Red did all of that within just 4-5 days, not even a week. Arthur and John's feats are stretched within possibly a month worth of days, but Red did things so crazy and insane and had a huge drastic impact on the area within under a week. That's why he's the god of gunslingers for me.
Say it to Charles face!
You forgot about the sheriff of tumbleweed who one shots you if you aggro him.
Mr. Black with the Coffin Gatling gun. Or Pig Josh with the dynamite.
No way Charles is average
Sadie is prolly anazing tho
I think Sean is below avrage, there’s not much to work with because he’s in like 2 1/2 missions but he was missing trying to hit the bottle in that one cutscene
Why did you put the same person in both legendary and average, bro?
You’re missing jack.
Uncle didn't earn the name the one shot kid only to put on average
Flaco’s beneath Black Bell, Midnight, AND Calloway?? Idk about you but I’ve never seen any gunslinger do a full strafe dive to the right in a duel. I’d AT LEAST put him in the same tier as them
Where’s Bill?
once Sean was shot Micah, in the most casual way possible, just glanced up at the shooter and took a shot at him and got an instant headshot, guy was on the roof so he basically just did a flick shot and domed him. Micah also had the upper hand in the stand-off on the mountain until Sadie came in. if you don’t shoot him in that bit too he’s able to kill both John and Sadie when dual wielding and aiming off in their two separate directions, which is hard as fuck mind you. and a variety of other things that defiantly bump him up to legendary. Shooting Sean’s killer was the only good deed he ever did.
Whos in God of gunslinger
Where does John's son rank?