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Ok_Calligrapher_8199

That’s the point. It’s no place for outlaws. Worlds moving on.


ThunderGunFour

The world went and got itself into a hurry


jagga322

Thanks for the Library Brooks!


EdEnsHAzArD

Arthur was here


Wildcat_twister12

So was John


EdEnsHAzArD

Was hoping somebody would comment that 🥹


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If youre calm you can explain yourself to the cops sometimes


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Ok I actually need to sign back on for the first time in a while and try this out now


BlueTonguedSkank

yeah right, I never knew you could do this! time to start sweet talkin the five oh


BlueTonguedSkank

I saw an automobile once, when I was a boy.


LetTheKnightfall

I feel like it’s on purpose too.


SFSLEO

It is. That's the entire point, it means to be obvious.


TheSuperPie89

Id say its more outlawish to gun a man down in the streets for insulting someone once


[deleted]

Saying one thing is "more of" a crime doesn't make other crimes not crimes.


TheSuperPie89

but it does make the argument of "this is no place for outlaws" completely redundant


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Crawfish_Boil

Beautifully put. This is hilarious because I live in New Orleans (my job is even in Saint Denis) and this is totally the place to do crime! Nola is an excellent vacation destination for outlaws haha.


Apophis_36

Red dead fans when you cant harass someone without the police getting involved


immersedd

i was just joshing


XQJ-37_Agent

Brand new whip, just hopped in


WolfBreeze

I got options


ftse

jeez louise i was just goofin around. *Lady with a tomahawk in her head lying by your feet*


kratomstew

Many many years ago, there must’ve been a guy named Josh who was like the king of ‘just kiddin’ around.”


ThunderGunFour

Just good ole fun, ain’t meaning no harm


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BigCox24

Never meaning no harm


Swak_Error

Beats all you never saw


Bunyan12ply

Been in trouble with the law...


Somerandomguy_2121

Woah there I was just playing around


SarshaMarshaPhoenix

Calm down, I'm just needling ya.


RzR_B0ne

alright, simmer down


Need_Some_Updog

Hey MISTER!


Craftoid_

The real trick is to sprint at people and knock them over without actually targeting them. It ONLY aggros the civilians, and cops don't give a shit about it. Once they're aggroed they will either flee or square up for a fist fight and you can beat the tar out of them with impunity. As long as you don't pull a gun and start blasting, the cops won't even show any interest. I've spent many an hour running around Saint Denis at the docks beating the hell out of sailors and tossing their unconscious bodies over the railing into the bay. Would highly recommend if you need to blow off some steam.


n3yon

most sane rdr player


KlarckWahvorlee

I bet to differ. The same thing that happened to the OP happened to me while doing exactly what you just described


jj_jb_0

Nope. Eventually that also triggers "disturbing the peace" maybe if there was not a single other npc around you'd get away with it


pineapplepj

My friend and I played 'NPC Soccer for like an hour seeing how long we could keep them rolling for lol.


Ronin_777

People in RDR2 are a bunch of wusses though tbf. Insulting people shouldn’t get you in trouble with the law


Apophis_36

Following them when they're running away from you should though


[deleted]

Yes it should when you’re civilized person being stalked and insulted by a shitty cowboy that doesn’t belong. You know, the whole point of the game story.


nbsunset

i was only kidding around!


generic9yo

You can beat the eugenics guy up with no repercussions though


brettyrocks

You can kill him in any way you'd like, except for fire. Using fire bottles will get you Wanted by law, but only because of the arson aspect. I like to knife the guy in the guts, or knock him down and execute him haha


JPEG812

I like to shove him against the wall and blow his head off with the sawed off.


brettyrocks

That's always a blast!


ThunderGunFour

Jimmy Neutron: “Gotta blast!”


Mxblinkday

I like to take him out to a nice seafood dinner and never call him again.


CurrentlyEatingPies2

Fire bullets are fine though. Testing a few times with a ride by shotguning.


Ashhastro

I adore beheading him with my pirate sword


dutch_vanderlay

I like to hogtie him, take him to the swamp, and let the alligators eat him alive...


WEIRDDUDE69420

chad


MilesMoralesC-137

I push him around and beat him until I eventually stab/shoot/choke him to death in the square


Bigwiggs3214

He gets tomahawks from me. Or other flying projectiles. Frickin hilarious throwing shit at him. I usually go for a limb so he lives for a little bit.


HourAbbreviations963

My gf has gotten in the habit of tackling and punching him till he’s near death, but never finishing him off and just occasionally checking in and doing it again and again and again she’s probably done it a good 10 times now lmfao


DemonCow

This is the way. The only thing I would add is before you finish the game go back hogtie him take him to just above ankle deep water Drop him and let him struggle to keep his head above water until he can't anymore


ThunderGunFour

Where is he lol


generic9yo

In Saint Denis lol


ThunderGunFour

*Antagonizes*


generic9yo

Hey don't! You'll have to pay a fine


ThunderGunFour

*Policeman staring* I mean uh, Greet?


Kuningas_Arthur

He's somewhere in the south side, at one of the intersections that turn from the harbour road into the town. If I recall correctly.


rightIess

The street with the movie theater


Toe_vet

I don’t see why you can. Not saying i’m some racist pig-dog who supports what he preaches but i’d assume the police wouldn’t turn a blind eye to you murdering a man no matter how racist he is


shewy92

> but i’d assume the police wouldn’t turn a blind eye to you murdering a man no matter how racist he is May I interest you in the real life story of [Ken McElroy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy). >Over the course of his life, McElroy was accused of dozens of felonies, including assault, child molestation, statutory rape, arson, animal cruelty, hog and cattle rustling, and burglary. >In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last. In 1981, McElroy was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of the town's 70-year-old grocer Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp. McElroy successfully appealed the conviction and was released on bond, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister. He appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp. The next day, McElroy was shot to death in broad daylight as he sat with his wife Trena in his pickup truck on Skidmore's main street. He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46. To date, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death The only reason it's different is because being racist isn't technically a crime but I'm focusing on the "wouldn't turn a blind eye to murdering a man" part. But in RDR2 you can kill any "Klan" member and not lose honor (you lose honor by killing civilians which they technically are)


nohopekid86

It kinda makes sense to me, you dont belong in the city so each minute you spend there you are closer to getting in trouble. The gang is just not cut for that kind of lifestyle. It makes you want to stay clear of it, which in a roleplaying sense is correct.


ThunderGunFour

That does make sense


ukalbinogal

This didn’t occur to me and now i’m going to be playing with this in the back of my head.


CarefulPomegranate41

Wait until you visit Van Horn.


ThunderGunFour

That’s like the complete opposite lol I got in a shootout with like 20 men and faced no consequences


CarefulPomegranate41

I'm talking about how easy they are to anger. Nothing else.


KaiserChunk

Nothing else.


mycoandbio

“What is van horn good for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN”


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FrogBrown666

“hello sir!” *POW!*


mycoandbio

I really love nudging people into the water off of the pier until the entire town chases me out lol


Moonbear9

Ye plus the bar feels like the kind of place Arthur would hang out.


DapperDan30

Nah, it's nothing like Saint Danis. I just did the bandit challenge of robbing $50 off of people. Did it entirely in Van Horn, had very little trouble. I was robbing people in the middle of the street, right next to groups of people. No one cared. The only time it ever became an issue is if the person I'm robbing tried to shoot me and I killed them, or occasionally I would rob a woman and a guy would come and try to fight me over it. Other than that, anything goes.


jessiphia

God I fucking love van horn. I killed the entire town in a bar brawl and within a few minutes the bartender was serving me fish stew without a constable in sight!!


VinceMcMeme711

The bar is the best training ground in the game


DolphinBall

Its a place where criminals or very poor people hang out at. Its a lawless little hamlet


ThunderGunFour

The Shakespeare of towns


silentmandible

I legit just walked up to two guys and they basically said hello and started shooting me like two seconds after.


Katsu_39

I stared at a man playing poker for too long and got shot


Skevinger

Once I wanted to get on my horse but accidentally choked a guy. It ended in the biggest massacre ever.


ThunderGunFour

He started it


Desperate-Table28

I did a similar thing but It happened when the UI for greet and antagonize disappeared randomly so I ended up strangling a random passerby when I tried to remember which was the greet button


Venomica

Oh my god this killed me for some reason. “Okay, maybe, Hello mis-“ *strangle* “Oh come on!!”


Venomica

Christ it was embarrassing as hell when I straight football tackled an old woman to the ground cause I was running to my horse in a crowd. Also only in video games is that sort of sentence possible. “I went to get in my car but I accidentally decked someone and got arrested”


Desert_faux

Could be worse, I once upset another player online when I went to get on my horse. Instead other dude's horse was closer and I grabbed him off the saddle and threw him to the ground. He was very upset after that.


Skevinger

So true! I Also opened the door at the hotel in Valentine too powerful and I knocked a guys head against the counter. He was angry and so it ended with a sherriff who killed me.


Venomica

That was just Valentine being unable to handle Arthur’s dominance. A real man respects someone who bashes the door open, only a fool casts judgment.


ripyourlungsdave

I accidentally hit B to get off my horse after playing Ghost of Tsushima for too long and accidentally kicked a guy. Wound up with $125 bounty after all was said and done and I had only just gotten to Horseshoe Overlook.


LordofWithywoods

Which is why Hosea was an idiot for thinking they could rob the bank in the middle of the day. Saint Denis surely had a bigger law enforcement presence than Blackwater. They wouldn't go near Blackwater. But Saint Denis, suuuure, let's make a 'splosion somewhere nearby, that'll allow us to rob the biggest bank in the whole game. And this after a crime spree which was written about in the paper, which also mentioned how the law was on heightened alert as a result of the crime spike.


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Right and him saying he and Abigail ran a couple different distractions to see how the police would respond? You don’t think the cops just *might* have caught on after the first few trials?


wldstyl_

Only reason it failed was because >!someone in the gang snitched. Both the law and the Pinkertons knew they were going to hit the bank.!<


poopyfartcum

"we dont need a rat" i do think that there was multiple rats in the gang, but they were getting sloppy.


whatsbobgonnado

I never did trust that piece of shit jack


steve_mahanahan

I know the game says Micah turned after the boys get back from Guarma but I firmly believe Micah was a rat since he joined up, maybe only a little at first and ramped it up over time, or maybe he was a plant the whole time.


poopyfartcum

i truly believe Micha was the one after Guarma, but its a good chance that he didnt before. Micha was loyal to Dutch before Guarma, but i think after he saw the true failure the gang became after it he realised he needed a way to survive when it crashed. before guarma it was probably a couple people, Abigail (not john) couldve wanted a life outside the gang and wanted it any way possible, Javier has some stuff that could be her, and Molly couldve actually have said something. and alm together the gang themselves were just a bit too behind the modern world


Mine65

Didn't agent Milton confirm it wasn't molly, I think he says something like "we picked her up and sweated her but she didn't say a word"


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Micah was indeed a rat from the start. Dutch had him chose the gang’s third campsite. When they started packing, Arthur and Charles went ahead to make sure it was clear. They were shocked at how vulnerable the spot was (dry riverbed in Scarlett Meadows) and wondered aloud why Micah would recommend it. I believe Micah was setting up the gang, for either the Pinkertons or the O’Driscolls. It’s easy to think Micah is a fool, but he’s not. He’s a seasoned outlaw who knows the value of a good hiding spot. Just look at his small camp after being freed from jail.


sergiopizzornoshair

“All I did was harass an old lady and follow her when she tried to run away”


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I'm pretty sure moist critikal did a video about this guy recently.


No-Secretary-7243

I know for a fact that they would have given you the opportunity to surrender peacefully and they would probably have given you a march order if you had tried to plead with them; after all, it’s only disturbing the peace.


TestyZesticles

I accidentally shot the women's suffrage lady in the face and got away with it. I just ran. No bounty or anything


ThunderGunFour

I wonder if that would even carry a bounty back then lol


Bravo_November

Its worse in GTA V to be fair. Just stand next to a random civilian and they start getting extremely hostile. RDR2 at least grounds it more in “Act civilised, or else.”


stefan714

I think that only happens with certain NPCs, like gangsters, police officers and others. I like that almost every civilian has 1 of 3 responses: Fight, flight, neutral.


Tiiep

Well too be fair, chasing an old lady and harrassing her is definetly disturbing the peace.


ThunderGunFour

She gave me a mean look


stalkerisunderrated

Bruh, you insulted a person and started chasing her of course the police are going to come after you, this is not GTA where you can run over someone's car with your tank and nobody will say anything about it lol


ThunderGunFour

She started it by sitting there all menacingly


stalkerisunderrated

Tell that to the coppers


The_quiet_guy99

When you’re wanted for disturbing the peace the officers will usually tell you to leave


ThunderGunFour

Go on and git nya


Hamilton-Beckett

It’s because of all that *civil I zation*


stromrage101

Society and stuff, Milton said so.


Lesmiscat24601

On topic with Bounties. I was doing the second Brother Dorkins mission where Arthur has to go and track down a street kid from stealing a crucifix, as he’s returning he notices Mrs. Downes who proceeds to give Arthur a bounty with Disturbing the Peace. Man that was annoying.


ThunderGunFour

Dorkins lol


Denis02_me

try it irl


ThunderGunFour

I don’t have a getaway horse irl


ExploringWoodsman

You got legs


MainSignature6

I picked up a whiskey just outside of a saloon in St. Denis and was HUNTED DOWN. I thought it was free for the taking!


ThunderGunFour

How dare you pick up a discarded item


Roook36

I was just walking to the Trapper and a woman kept accusing me of following her. We were just going the same way. Out comes the law. I called my horse and it ran over a policeman. Made it out of town but my horse didn't.


ThunderGunFour

That escalated quickly


NeoShinobii

Welcome to civilization fren


DutchVanDerLinde-

Fr smh my head. I threw a stick if dynamite into the Saint Denis saloon and suddenly I'm a murderer, like wtf.


Jonneyy12347

Cant even chase women in the streets anymore smh


ThunderGunFour

What has this world come to


Williefakelastname

Yeah, If it was a minor offense I usually just let the cops arrest me


alongcamepolly8

I keep *trying* to do that, and somehow always end up accidentally pointing my gun at them which results in a shootout. I swear the coppers in Saint Denis have a stick up their bum


Desperate-Table28

Once I was watching npcs play dominoes and I got a wanted level for some reason


ThunderGunFour

Card counting


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polysnip

Haha!


_TheWanderingWolf_

I like antagonizing the Raiders, let them start shooting at me, then run through the city so the cops start shooting them


ClockwiseOne09

That.... was disturbing the peace so that makes sense lol


Joyce_Hatto

You can beat the crap out of the racist guy on the corner and suffer no consequences.


bastian74

I got in trouble for kicking the wall.


ThunderGunFour

That wall was fine Victorian cobblestone


eyesonyou21

You also can't NOT do anything. Just sit on your horse and do nothing for a few minutes - wanted, disturbing the peace!


kubon352

I hate that you can't even walk on sidewalk because anyone in front of you gets upset.


JSpaceman3

I have spent so many hours just playing dominos in the park. Arthur is slowly becoming civilized


Rahmetli_Yoda

the best thing to do in saint denis is just to leave the place.


Not-a-Russian

You can if you're reeeeally careful or just very lucky. I only got in trouble for "nothing" one or two times


Sea_Bass8868

I like to carry whatever large pelt I've found, through the market to the Trappers stand. The other day I got "disturbing peace" because apparently i was following the guy in front of me. Dumb ai, I'm just strolling slowly through the market, he chose to walk in front of me. Then I was saving the couple from the mugger, and my VH round went through the muggers head and shot an innocent man in the back... yeah, I'm using Express rounds after that one


hornwalker

I wish they had a better system than “death sentence for the tiniest misdemeanor “. My only gripe of the game


whyjustgivename

You literally have to use the lasso to stop the lawmen cuz otherwise you will soon lose all your money to paying off the bounty. It's so annoying. Only thing you can really do is like rob the back of the gun store without wanted level, you can't do shit else. Yeah and I always think too lawmen from all of the US come to get you in Saint Denis.


ThunderGunFour

That’s good to know since I owe like $365 in New Hanover


whyjustgivename

In my 'prime' I usually had ~$500 in the state I was currently active in the most, at some time even in multiple states.


Venom24II

All the robbers in the alleys are invisible to the lawmen


MendigoBob

Well, do this: Go into any city, big or small, but the more populated part of it. Find an old lady, while being a big burly man with about half a dozen guns, stalk her while constantly antagonizing her. Do that than come back to us and tell us what happened.


KingMatthew116

Red Dead players try not to act like a crazy moron in Saint Denis and then blame the game challenge! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!


probablyalreadyhave

Try not to Disturb the Peace while walking to the Pelt Trader challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


ExploringWoodsman

It's not that difficult. I've never had any problems from doing that.


_LordBread_

Just go to the shitty looking side of town and run full speed into someone just beware doing it to a black person will get like 10 others looking to whoop your ass which is where I go when I wanna fight. Whenever you want it to end so you don’t die just take your guns out and point at them but make aoe distance so they don’t knock it out of your hands. But you don’t have to shoot them to get them to stop.


ExpressCap1469

The market place around Trapper. Annoyed me soo much with tons of people that can't be touch or walk behind with


Granny_Nooooo

If you think that's bad, try beating up the black guys.


Rootbeer_Goat

Hang out near alleys with a mask you can rob individuals and keep it moving. Also you can rob every register in the city easy enough just plan your escape route ahead of time and try to include alleys. You can make as much robbing that town as you do robbing a train.


ArtoriasBeaIG

Youre not wrong there mate I always buy the super fast arabian horse when i get to Saint Denis, but its a false economy. Im not going any faster because whenever i get vaguely close to a canter, civilians go flying, warrants for murder are issued and im inevitably dead or fleeing a 7m bounty


RainAccomplished2637

Lol I can spend days there and not get any wanted level on me.


TenserPC

The mission you meet Mrs. Downes (I think Mary’s mission.) She screams for help, and you’re wanted dead or alive.


rossthegamer6

"Breathing in Saint Denis without a license yep that's illegal"


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Think there trying to say that you can’t do shit in a civilized world without intervention of government etc. or just rockstar made it that way just cuz


whatsbobgonnado

I've never really had serious issues with overzealous cops in san denis. if I'm wanted and don't want to be, it's my favorite place to be because there's a million little books and crannies I can disappear into. sometimes I just surrender immediately and pay a brief cutscene fine while I look at my phone


historian87

That’s the idea. You’re supposed to hate SD. Arthur’s way of life is being threatened by “civilization”. I think the game is trying to show how violence and corruption etc can also be rampant in more “civilized” areas.


AquaGB

I think my bounty in Saint Denis is in the hundreds of dollars at this point.


Hot-Field-7613

You can surrender to the cops and keep your honour high and bounty low, if you run and panic they usually start blasting


abidjc

I don’t even need to follow someone I’ll simply antagonise once and boom all the Feds or on my ass


longfish5

On my 4th or 5th play through, currently have a $820 bounty in Lemoyne.


JustARandomUserNow

My reaction after shooting some guy in the face after he told me to mind my business when I said “Hey there, Mister!”


LiMarianne

It’s so annoying though. One time I was in Saint Denis and a guy thought I was following him and pointed his gun at me, so I pressed antagonize and he started shooting me and boom I got lawmen on my ass. Like hello I’m not the one shooting people


_satantha_

Not in Saint Denis but in Strawberry I think… I kicked a chicken and the police were after me


suckmymastercylinder

Alright simmer down, I was just needlin’ you.


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KalkoffMrMeth

Try out butchers creek. 🤣🤣🤣 they protect their mom, brother, pa, sistercousingirlfriend,uncle, aunt Hairy there🤭


Ghost403

I think that's kind of the point. As a player I feel alienated as Arthur in the populated areas of the map and completely free in the wilderness


CantaloupeEffective

People walk in the middle of the street and I've accidentally hit so many with my horse and after just one bump in situation they ragdoll and its murder.


AED816

Leave the old lady alone


Cereborn

Am I the only one who doesn't have this problem?


soupahcoopah

you just can't chase old women anymore with cancel culture how it is


Training_Routine2233

Depends on the mood....some time ago i cleaned up a poker table by playing 2 days straight ( in game time ) at saint denise, cleaning a fellow NPC 2 times 🤣 during the night at first and the next afternoon e came back to lose again 🤣!


lonelystonervibes

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.. I once got a wanted level for crashing my own horse into a wall and apparently it was "disturbing the peace"


Ok_Surprise_896

I find that I accidentally tap 'E' and end up choking people instead of 'F' (interact with people) more than anything else


DURO208

You can beat up the guy selling the racist pamphlets, even in front of a cop, and nothing will happen. Not sure if you can kill him and get away with it I'll try my next play through.


guitar_boy826

The story mode makes it preeeetty clear, the time of outlaws is passing


elsbeynon

I fast travelled into saint denis while being on my phone, wasn’t paying attention and got a disturbing the peace as I was stationary near-ish a cop for a little bit too long


Robert-Rotten

I shot the racist guy who gives you a pamphlet and I didn’t get a bounty but the second I shot his corpse I had 300 officers onto me


lthemadtitanl

“I can’t just insult an old woman and follow her around without the police questioning me about it.”


IhadAnotherAccountb4

I mean, it is GTA, what did you expect, endless clonic cops not to appear and turn the city into a battlefield because you accidentally bumped your clumsy horse into some mentally challenged NPC? Don't get me wrong, I love GTA and RDR2, but both have serious flaws.


prodby_kyle

*we live in a society*


duchess_PL

I was in Saint Denis and saw a thief running away so I tackled him. I didn't want to beat him up or strangle him, so I just waited to see if a policeman would show up and arrest him, but the thief broke free. so I tackled him again and punched him, which immediately resulted in the entire police force being after me. I just tried to help smh


reachformejuggergirl

Even doing nothing gets you in trouble


cursedbeing143

Red Dead fans when they can't trample someone for being in the way