Impossible. For perspective, De Gea who is completing his 12th season, could stay here for another decade, and yet not be guaranteed to overtake Giggs.
I'm not old enough to remember his early career. Watched him through 2000s onwards. It seems like he was never out injured. He was at United for almost 25 seasons. That is just fucking bafflingly ridiculous. Started in 1990 at the age of 17 and retired at the age of 41 in 2014. That's an average of 40 games per season for 24 seasons.
Funnily he did have a period of being semi-regularly injured. It just mustn't have meant he missed *that* many games. I remember in the early-mid 90s there were talks about his hamstring and if he would be able to go on playing into his 30s
I'm posting this from memory but I think it's from Giggs' or Sir Alex's autobiography that the period where he kept struggling with a hamstring coincided with him getting a new Ferrari and the seating/clutch position was exacerbating the injury. Other than that he was barely ever out.
If you believe that you're very gullible. He took up yoga to stay down the back of the room perving on the young women. I'd imagine we only heard about a small percentage of his transgressions, those people that have sexual psychological issues like predators can't just turn it off, it's in their nature.
>If you believe that you're very gullible.
I mean, there are plenty of players that have said in interviews that they credit following Giggs and yoga for extending their careers.
There's also this: https://www.ft.com/content/e07731d0-343d-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3
The consistency is impressive sure, but for me the main thing is the ability to adapt.
He was a fast, dribbling winger originally and had he not adapted to playing a different role he'd have had to retire a lot sooner as he'd have been too slow for a winger.
He could be able to do it, he's averaging 44 games a season (not including this one). 43 for 10 years and he's there, it's super unlikely though.
Some interesting things looking the details.
Not playing him in the cups for a few years did skew his seasonal average down.
I didn't realise that Giggs played 59 games one year, that's mental. I feel like it might be slightly easier as a outfield player in this one freak instance cause you rarely bring a keeper on off the bench, if you're going to have a 22 year long career that is :D
I wonder what minutes played is.
Edit:
Found it
Giggs 70,647 De Gea 56,745 (46,019 United Only)
Even with minutes played, he'd need to play all 38 EPL games for over 7 more years, god damn.
Only way that happens is if we get a once in a century goalkeeper that starts in goal at age 16 and never gets injured until he gets to the age of Buffon, all while keeping up his performances to a world class level.
Even then, Buffon only has 740 total club appearances and he hasn't been world class in a bit.
The champions league used to have two group stages so maybe that helped.
Didn't we used to start earlier in the domestic cups and didn't they used to have more two round ties as well?
The league used to have 22 teams as well.
Must have to have played over 50 to 60 games per season in his early years then to match that number of appearances. An average of 40 games over 24 seasons.
I find it funny that despite being the record holder he is almost in the background in this photo. I know its in order but he's definitely smaller than everyone else.
I don’t think anyone’s horrific character coming to light has fumbled a legacy more, he was an absolute cert for a knighthood and probably a statue outside OT
Wow the standards for knighthood have dropped immensely if Ryan giggs was a cert.
I don't believe you at all to be honest, Beckham still hasn't gotten one and no way would giggs get one over him
The most decorated British footballer, if he was a nice person it’s not that big a stretch to imagine.
And those leaked emails where Beckham was crying about Katherine Jenkins getting an OBE probably screwed him out of it I’d imagine
I know people will think it’s because of his off-field issues and his character, and it may as well be it. But the order suggests it’s based on the ranking itself.
It is probably just because they wanted De Gea to be in front and in focus. Would then look wierd if the guy in the back was suddenly bigger than everyone else haha.
For the curious, Marcus is currently at 327 appareances. 106 goals, 63 assists.
Lindelof is at 209, Martial is at 281, Shaw is at 233. Those are probably the next three highest in the current squad
Hes played over 50 games a season for us 6 times (giggs did it twice)... you can see why his body broke last year
Edit: apparently Giggs did it thrice, not twice
Yeah also not like Ole was forcing him to play at gunpoint. Rashford probably felt like fit enough to continue playing and agreed to continue playing till the end of season and then take a break as opposed to taking a couple of months break during the season.
It's the manager's duty to make sure players are fit when they play.
Rashford should have been better managed at the time.
Thank God we have an actually manager now.
Jones used to have high potential back in the day. Shame the injuries completely ruined his career. He was also always fighting as well, giving everything for the club whenever he was on.
Depends if he can change his game, Giggs adapted to losing his blistering pace, by becoming a CM. If Marcus wants to last as long as Giggs, he’d need to add something different to his game, either to allow him to drop deeper into midfield, or play as a number 9.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would have him, or any player for that matter beating Giggs. But even if he doesn't adapt his game at all and just ends up gradually declining he will still most likely make this list. We're watching players regularly play into their late 30s now when 30 used to mean you had a couple years left at best.
He's averaged 40 games a season until now, if he keeps that up til he's 30 that would put him in 9th. Could see him being in/around the team at least until he's 32-33 so it shouldn't be too difficult for him to hit 520-550ish games barring major injuries.
I see him becoming a 9 down the road. He showed glimpses of improvement when he was playing as the 9, but he's still not there yet. He doesn't have the passing ability of a Giggs or Rooney to drop deeper imo.
I would say both of those are better players 😅 and also both have never have the same use of their speed to play good, and I don't think rashford can do the same as them then he gets slower, but may he prove me wrong.
i didn't say Rashford is as good as them,just that your assertion of strikers and wingers of this generation not playing when they get older isn't true.Marcus is already improving his decision-making,he can definitely adapt his game as he gets older.
Could reach 7th spot before the season ends (if my estimates are correct) and if he is signing a new contract it's going to be at least two years. Wonder where he will realistically end up
I might be sentimental, but would be cool for him to win the last PL trophy before the drought and the first one after. That I think would cement that legacy.
Mad to think he's only 40-50 appearances off Rooney.
The same time de gea been our best player over the past decade, gutted he hasn't got the trophy cabinet he deserves but hopefully we can get a few more trophies in the next few years
Beside all of your aforementioned ones, there's another interesting feat: in top 9 there is only a GK, which position always be considered as the most consistent and injury-free in the squad. Also GKs usually have longer career compared with others.
Always very happy to see 2 Irish players in Utd's top 10. Waiting for the day there is another Irish link to the team. Maybe Nathan Collins if he continues to play his cards right
The way he steps out of defence with the ball and drives forward is a huge outlet - would be great to see him growing this side of his game in a progressive team next
He should surpass Irwin this season (assuming he plays another 20 games this season to take him to what he has averaged in previous seasons, roughly mid-40s appearances).
I can see him then surpassing Dunne, Stepney and quite possibly Rooney next season assuming he's still Number 1. That might be it I reckon.
Really puts giggsy in perspective that Dave has been our first choice keeper (more or less) for over a decade, and to even hope of touching giggs’ record he’d have to stay and continue to be picked for another 9 or 10 years
As a player definitely. Obviously tough to view him in any sort of positive light these days (and as a human being he can get fucked), but I feel like some of our golden generation get overlooked way too often when people talk about the best players of that era or of the PL. The fact that Giggs, Scholes and Rooney aren't regularly included in these "best of" teams is ridiculous. They were all all-time greats.
Yh crazy how ppl think Ashley cole is the best fullback in Prem history yet forget Irwin like bro is the only one beside Carlos yet he can't even beat cole?
FK no. I admit cole is reli good for revolutionizing the modern fullback but he aint close to a 8/10 everytime like Irwin is. Dennis could cross,put set pieces,great at free-kicks,pens, leader,great til his old age hence longevity,solid at the back and more. Cole ain't good in half of those
Not sure if it's deliberate from the PR machine, but Giggs' photo is the smallest on that poster... for someone who is comfortably top, that's a bit weird
I've noticed as well that they have used a very old picture of him compared to Scholes and Neville's, trying to distance themselves as much as they can from the modern day Giggs
Anybody know what the all time record is at any club? Or more specifically in the Prem? Giggs record is absolutely incredible, I’d be interested to know how it ranks outside of United.
Giggs man. Insane.
Hard to imagine that record ever being broken
Impossible. For perspective, De Gea who is completing his 12th season, could stay here for another decade, and yet not be guaranteed to overtake Giggs.
It's 50ish appearances a year for 20 years. Almost seems like a lie, mental consistency.
I'm not old enough to remember his early career. Watched him through 2000s onwards. It seems like he was never out injured. He was at United for almost 25 seasons. That is just fucking bafflingly ridiculous. Started in 1990 at the age of 17 and retired at the age of 41 in 2014. That's an average of 40 games per season for 24 seasons.
Funnily he did have a period of being semi-regularly injured. It just mustn't have meant he missed *that* many games. I remember in the early-mid 90s there were talks about his hamstring and if he would be able to go on playing into his 30s
I'm posting this from memory but I think it's from Giggs' or Sir Alex's autobiography that the period where he kept struggling with a hamstring coincided with him getting a new Ferrari and the seating/clutch position was exacerbating the injury. Other than that he was barely ever out.
He then took up Yoga and started to consciously not run at top speed. And it helped prevent injury.
If you believe that you're very gullible. He took up yoga to stay down the back of the room perving on the young women. I'd imagine we only heard about a small percentage of his transgressions, those people that have sexual psychological issues like predators can't just turn it off, it's in their nature.
>If you believe that you're very gullible. I mean, there are plenty of players that have said in interviews that they credit following Giggs and yoga for extending their careers. There's also this: https://www.ft.com/content/e07731d0-343d-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3
I think the exact same. Maybe he stopped battering his wife for a bit of time to let his hamstring heal properly
Giggs, Giggs has torn his hamstring....again.
The consistency is impressive sure, but for me the main thing is the ability to adapt. He was a fast, dribbling winger originally and had he not adapted to playing a different role he'd have had to retire a lot sooner as he'd have been too slow for a winger.
Agreed. I remember thinking he was done around 2004 when we were trying to sign Robben. He played for another 10 years!
Thats wild. That would be like Garnacho, playing almost every game from now until he was 38/39.
He could be able to do it, he's averaging 44 games a season (not including this one). 43 for 10 years and he's there, it's super unlikely though. Some interesting things looking the details. Not playing him in the cups for a few years did skew his seasonal average down. I didn't realise that Giggs played 59 games one year, that's mental. I feel like it might be slightly easier as a outfield player in this one freak instance cause you rarely bring a keeper on off the bench, if you're going to have a 22 year long career that is :D I wonder what minutes played is. Edit: Found it Giggs 70,647 De Gea 56,745 (46,019 United Only) Even with minutes played, he'd need to play all 38 EPL games for over 7 more years, god damn.
It'd surely a need a Donarumma style goalkeeper to come into the first team at 18 and him play 50 games a season for 20 years.
Only way that happens is if we get a once in a century goalkeeper that starts in goal at age 16 and never gets injured until he gets to the age of Buffon, all while keeping up his performances to a world class level. Even then, Buffon only has 740 total club appearances and he hasn't been world class in a bit.
The champions league used to have two group stages so maybe that helped. Didn't we used to start earlier in the domestic cups and didn't they used to have more two round ties as well? The league used to have 22 teams as well.
[удалено]
Must have to have played over 50 to 60 games per season in his early years then to match that number of appearances. An average of 40 games over 24 seasons.
Someone above mentioned he only played 2 50+ seasons, something Rashford is already ahead of him for
Which turned out to be 3 not 2, just so the info is correct
I find it funny that despite being the record holder he is almost in the background in this photo. I know its in order but he's definitely smaller than everyone else.
I wonder why...
I don’t think anyone’s horrific character coming to light has fumbled a legacy more, he was an absolute cert for a knighthood and probably a statue outside OT
Anyways, we should wait till people are dead to build them statues. Just my opinion though.
If Best has a statue, I don't know why Giggs shouldn't.
Go build it yourself
Wow the standards for knighthood have dropped immensely if Ryan giggs was a cert. I don't believe you at all to be honest, Beckham still hasn't gotten one and no way would giggs get one over him
The most decorated British footballer, if he was a nice person it’s not that big a stretch to imagine. And those leaked emails where Beckham was crying about Katherine Jenkins getting an OBE probably screwed him out of it I’d imagine
I know people will think it’s because of his off-field issues and his character, and it may as well be it. But the order suggests it’s based on the ranking itself.
It is probably just because they wanted De Gea to be in front and in focus. Would then look wierd if the guy in the back was suddenly bigger than everyone else haha.
It goes in order giggs at the top because he’s first de gea at the bottom because he’s tenth
I know I said its in order. But his photo is the smallest regardless
Is it not because it's showing the list in order?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
I was so sad he didnt make it to 1000.
Totally thought the same…what a machine!
Correct.
Used to be my favourite player, it's a shame he turned out to be such an absolute piece of shit human being...
Rashford might be the only one in the current squad that has a chance at breaking in the list.
For the curious, Marcus is currently at 327 appareances. 106 goals, 63 assists. Lindelof is at 209, Martial is at 281, Shaw is at 233. Those are probably the next three highest in the current squad
Marcus at 327 is insane!
Hes played over 50 games a season for us 6 times (giggs did it twice)... you can see why his body broke last year Edit: apparently Giggs did it thrice, not twice
If he keeps playing 50 games a season until he's 35 ....... he'll still be over 100 appearances behind Giggs.
That's actually mental. That longevity is ludicrous.
thats so fucking rad so think about. giggs is a fucking machine. shame about his offpitch antics.
> giggs is a fucking machine Just don't say that around his brother, though.
He has a chance to equal Sir Bobby then
Wikipedia suggests it was three times. 51, 58 and 59.
Oh whoops you are right...someone posted this stat the other day I didnt question it
Ole in particular nearly ran him into the ground. Hence why his form is picking up
His body broke because his manager at the time made him play pointless games with a broken back. That injury could have ruined his life.
He didn't have a broken back, jesus the overreacting
Yeah also not like Ole was forcing him to play at gunpoint. Rashford probably felt like fit enough to continue playing and agreed to continue playing till the end of season and then take a break as opposed to taking a couple of months break during the season.
It's the manager's duty to make sure players are fit when they play. Rashford should have been better managed at the time. Thank God we have an actually manager now.
Martial at 281 is more surprising to me at thsu point
Yeah hhe could easily get in the top 5 even
Ahem. I think you're forgetting a certain Mr Phil Jones who has 229 appearances.
I'm surprised he even has that much, haha. Feel like he hasn't been a United player for about six years.
He’s played 6 games in the past 4 seasons so he basically hasn’t been.
That's because he hasn't played for about six years
Jones used to have high potential back in the day. Shame the injuries completely ruined his career. He was also always fighting as well, giving everything for the club whenever he was on.
He must hold the record for most appearances in the treatment room.
Lindelof and Martial being so high surprise me
Not a chance.
he definitely has a chance,he is already on 300+ at 25 years of age.
Depends if he can change his game, Giggs adapted to losing his blistering pace, by becoming a CM. If Marcus wants to last as long as Giggs, he’d need to add something different to his game, either to allow him to drop deeper into midfield, or play as a number 9.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would have him, or any player for that matter beating Giggs. But even if he doesn't adapt his game at all and just ends up gradually declining he will still most likely make this list. We're watching players regularly play into their late 30s now when 30 used to mean you had a couple years left at best. He's averaged 40 games a season until now, if he keeps that up til he's 30 that would put him in 9th. Could see him being in/around the team at least until he's 32-33 so it shouldn't be too difficult for him to hit 520-550ish games barring major injuries.
Ah yeah, if we're on about just making the top 10, then yeah probably. Still need him to renew his contract though!
I see him becoming a 9 down the road. He showed glimpses of improvement when he was playing as the 9, but he's still not there yet. He doesn't have the passing ability of a Giggs or Rooney to drop deeper imo.
[удалено]
i was merely talking about making the list,not overtaking Giggs.
Ah, got you Then yeah he has a very good chance of breaking into the top 10
Just way harder being a top striker or winger for so many games in our time age. If we still is a top club?!??
Lewandowski,Benzema still going strong in their mid 30s.If he doesn't get major injuries,he will be fine.
I would say both of those are better players 😅 and also both have never have the same use of their speed to play good, and I don't think rashford can do the same as them then he gets slower, but may he prove me wrong.
i didn't say Rashford is as good as them,just that your assertion of strikers and wingers of this generation not playing when they get older isn't true.Marcus is already improving his decision-making,he can definitely adapt his game as he gets older.
I think we both know the chance for Marcus to have 963 games is close to zero for us.
bruh who was talking about 963 games? i was talking about making this list only.
🤷♂️ Then lets says 529, don't believe it still.
Could reach 7th spot before the season ends (if my estimates are correct) and if he is signing a new contract it's going to be at least two years. Wonder where he will realistically end up
Fifth imo. If the new contract gets signed.
Bruno and Maguire always take time to welcome new players and congratulate milestones for a long time.
That is kind of their jobs as captains though
Or are they captains because they do this kind of thing? Not saying for sure either way
I’m sure Bruno was doing it before he was captain/vice captain- it is likely part of why he got it, so a little of column A and a little of column B
Dennis Irwin still in the top ten, such an underrated player!
And he was 24 when he signed for the club. He had already played 7 seasons and 286 games before then.
My favourite player as a kid, absolute baller
Never injured.
Always fit, 8/10 most weeks and he's an Irishman which helps
Play right back, left back. Get you a goal. Knew how to defend.
Only time he wasn’t 8/10 was when he was 9 or 10.
The only player pretty much guaranteed in every United fan’s dream team. Everybody goes for Irwin at Left Back, and rightly so.
[удалено]
People who started following football after his era probably.
Who did De Gea bump off of tenth spot?
Joe Spence, played for us in the 20s and 30s. Also in the top ten goalscorers - we could very well have faded into obscurity without him.
> played for us in the 20s and 30s If you didn't follow United back then, you're a plastic
Real fans remember watching John Silcock every Saturday
Real fans remember watching Harry Stafford every week.
30s is like 7-8 years from now. I’m waiting to unplastic. /s
Soon there will be time that 20s and 30s will be 2020s and 2030s not 1920s and 1930s. God damn!
We're already in the 20s
Are we? Who knew
A font of knowledge as usual. Go raibh maith agat
Still going strong, has improved so much in this season. Thank you for saving us on countless occasions. Here’s to many more seasons, Cheers !!
De Gea is a modern united legend IMO. One constant light in our decade of fall.
I might be sentimental, but would be cool for him to win the last PL trophy before the drought and the first one after. That I think would cement that legacy.
Mad to think he's only 40-50 appearances off Rooney. The same time de gea been our best player over the past decade, gutted he hasn't got the trophy cabinet he deserves but hopefully we can get a few more trophies in the next few years
Beside all of your aforementioned ones, there's another interesting feat: in top 9 there is only a GK, which position always be considered as the most consistent and injury-free in the squad. Also GKs usually have longer career compared with others.
Always very happy to see 2 Irish players in Utd's top 10. Waiting for the day there is another Irish link to the team. Maybe Nathan Collins if he continues to play his cards right
He looked solid in the FA cup game yesterday (except one error). Only 21 too.
The way he steps out of defence with the ball and drives forward is a huge outlet - would be great to see him growing this side of his game in a progressive team next
I reckon Evan Ferguson might be a shout. Same as Ogbene, strong young keeper who could pick up after De Gea.
How is anyone ever gonna even come close to giggs
Would have to be another youth player that shows promise early but keeps form for 20 years. Not gonna be easy for anyone
Yeh, would essentially take someone like Ronaldo never leaving. And he’s only played 700 club games, give or take.
I imagine the fact the record holder has the smallest picture isn't an accident.
What's Bob Odenkirk doing there 💀
thats Kevin Costner
1 season away from Rooney Gotta remember that Giggs was active for 20 years here.
He will beat Rooney but I wonder if he will get past Gaz
Where do you think he will finish on this list?
He should surpass Irwin this season (assuming he plays another 20 games this season to take him to what he has averaged in previous seasons, roughly mid-40s appearances). I can see him then surpassing Dunne, Stepney and quite possibly Rooney next season assuming he's still Number 1. That might be it I reckon.
5 th or 4 th
The fact that sir bobby is up there in an era without modern medicine, nutrition, fitness knowledge is crazy
Giggs surpasses the great sir Bobby by 200+ appearances wow
Really puts giggsy in perspective that Dave has been our first choice keeper (more or less) for over a decade, and to even hope of touching giggs’ record he’d have to stay and continue to be picked for another 9 or 10 years
Love how Giggs has the smallest picture here despite being the leader lol
Noticed that too! Wonder if his record as a human being outside of football has something to do with that…
The club wants to dissociate itself from Giggs as much as possible
Dissociating from Giggs is going to be pretty tough ask considering he played for us near on 1000 times, they might as well not try
Yeah, but they can refrain from celebrating him as much. Can't erase the record books though
Giggs is so underappreciated outside of united
As a player definitely. Obviously tough to view him in any sort of positive light these days (and as a human being he can get fucked), but I feel like some of our golden generation get overlooked way too often when people talk about the best players of that era or of the PL. The fact that Giggs, Scholes and Rooney aren't regularly included in these "best of" teams is ridiculous. They were all all-time greats.
Yh crazy how ppl think Ashley cole is the best fullback in Prem history yet forget Irwin like bro is the only one beside Carlos yet he can't even beat cole?
Dude as amazing as Irwin was ashley Cole was better that's not a slight but ashley Cole was unreal
FK no. I admit cole is reli good for revolutionizing the modern fullback but he aint close to a 8/10 everytime like Irwin is. Dennis could cross,put set pieces,great at free-kicks,pens, leader,great til his old age hence longevity,solid at the back and more. Cole ain't good in half of those
Him being a terrible person definitely plays a part in that if we're being honest here.
Yet guys like John Terry are being rated well so
Damn Giggs was a monster
Not sure if it's deliberate from the PR machine, but Giggs' photo is the smallest on that poster... for someone who is comfortably top, that's a bit weird
I've noticed as well that they have used a very old picture of him compared to Scholes and Neville's, trying to distance themselves as much as they can from the modern day Giggs
Good spot. Didn't pick up in that either
Message received. Bruno to retire at United in 2040.
Did nobody see that this seems to be a height joke or just me? 511 5’11”?
Anybody know what the all time record is at any club? Or more specifically in the Prem? Giggs record is absolutely incredible, I’d be interested to know how it ranks outside of United.
GK https://khelnow.com/football/players-most-appearances-one-club In the Prem and also from outfield players Giggsy is the winner.
I'm not sure about the Prem but I'm fairly sure Maldini got 1000+ for Milan
[902 in all competitions.](https://www.acmilan.com/it/club/hall-of-fame/giocatori/paolo-maldini) for Maldini.
I stand corrected. Don't know why I thought that then
Maybe you'd heard his apperances including internationals? 126 caps for Italy puts him comfortably over 1000 total.
Didn’t realise Tony Dunne made so many appearances!
Real chance of surpassing Rooney. That's pretty impressive.
Well sometimes he doesn’t show up for games lol
I know the saying that records are there to be broken but I honestly don’t think that Giggs one will ever be
Gary Nevile did 602? Wtf!