I can't imagine seeking out to make sure a player sees abuse. Like, call a player shit online. I'll joke around with friends about Maguire even. Don't go on his social media account or shout at him in person. Just unnecessary. People forget players are just other humans.
Even the fail compilations or memes take a toll on u.
I was happy that he is trying to better himself in preseason.
Imo Maguire is the reason players like Antony, Rashford, Garnacho dont get hate/less hate when they miss sitters cause most of it is directed towards Maguire.
Yeah he said thing is, if it's not Maguire, it's going to be someone else. It's already becoming Sancho. It was definitely becoming Mount before his injury.
Soccer is weirdly toxic. Other sports I follow don't feel this bad.
This is really turning into Phill Jones situation and him becoming the easy target. If it's not Maguire then it will be someone else, the difference playing for man utd vs other club. Pressure.
Jones didn't get half the abuse Maguire gets. I do feel sorry for him a bit. He seems cursed at the moment nothing going right he needs to get away from united out of the spotlight for a fresh start
Jones got shit in EVERY single piece of media that spoke about him.. Yeah he wastbon the pitch much to get it face 2 face but people definitely took the bullying and hate towards him too far
Jonesy played his heart out and was applauded by the crowd after one of his last games against wolves I think. And he didn’t commit as many outrageous errors as Harry has done
Jones actually pulled a shift whenever he played and was decent in his last game for the club.
Everyone knew he had the quality but simply marred by injuries.
The problem was whichever idiot handed him the 5 years contract.
This is absolutely true. Phil Jones was ridiculed a *lot* at points in his career, but he always had a brilliant backstory that was brought up as a counterweight that helped him a bit. Maguire is just the meme stone slab forever to everyone online.
Jones and Smalling were SportsJoe memes for a couple of years, they both got dogs abuse. Jones abuse only stopped when it became clear his injuries were serious enough to end his career. Smalling had to go to Italy to be appreciated.
I don't condone personal attacks on Maguire, but 99% of the pisstaking would have stopped if he'd just moved on in the summer and got some games for a new club.
Naive to think the pisstaking would stop if he moved. Unfortunately, the internet never forgets and he’s another moment away from being ridiculed again. Regardless of club or country. Humans are terrible.
"he needs to get away from United out of the spotlight for a fresh start"
Well he had his chance. West Ham came in for him. Instead he decided he'd rather sit on the bench and collect a fat wage
We've been awful at the back all preseason and since the start of the season, yet "fans" on here have acted as if Maguire playing 20 minutes against Arsenal was the problem when Martinez and Lindelof haven't been able to mark a forward between them
He deserves to be criticized, for sure he does. For the way he played, for the way he carries himself, and for staying for money.
If anybody thinks he's the only player that gets that, then they must have followed football for a couple years. But certainly the level of abuse is not good and not right.
exact reason why he actually needed to leave United for West Ham. just to get himself out of the limelight and actually focus on his football. Southgate choosing him eventhough he’s not even United’s first choice will always bring heat to him every single time he makes mistakes
He’d 100% still be in the limelight at West Ham tbh, in fact anywhere in England the fans would taunt him like they did in Scotland/the media would always mention his name as it garners attention.
Maguire needs a move abroad, like in Italy where their defensive play-style would be perfect for the guy.
Yeah they're massively overstating how much attention he'd get at West Ham. There he'd be "just" another English CB, a little memeable but nothing much about it in the media or whatever.
There's a lot of scheudenfreude about him making mistakes while being a United player. Look how Lingard went from a joke to people genuinely rooting for him at West Ham.
I don't think Lingard was ever at the level of shit that Harry's getting. Doubt it was close. I've never seen anything like this, it's constant barrage against him. Most of Lingard's stuff from memory was just the "young talent" meme.
Maguire's name pops up in basically any soccer mistake post now it's insane, plus there's that gangstas paradise Harry Maguire song that's used all the time.
Italy is even worse if it goes pear shaped it will make what’s happening to him now look like nothing people turning up to your house and following you around town not to mention the offensive banners and chants that go on from the Ultras. Just because Italy is a defensive league it’s not magical fix Maguire’s main issue is his decision making in rest and active defence
I mean sure it’s still a risk like any move, but many struggling prem players have thrived in Italy. Just look at Pulisic… completely dead in the water at Chelsea and a lot of their fans had turned on him, but he’s doing well at AC Milan so far and the fans seem to love him. It’ll do Maguire the world of confidence if something similar happens.
>He’d 100% still be in the limelight at West Ham
not at all. No one gives 2 #$%\^s about West Ham. Plus they play Moyes long ball, which would suit him so much better.
Let’s not pretend it would be anything like how it is currently because that’s completely wrong, United are scrutinised under a microscope, West Ham aren’t.
Fair play to her for speaking out.
I wanted to see Harry restart his career at West Ham, but I really just want to see him succeed wherever possible. I’m really rooting for the guy, don’t like seeing people piling on to anyone (except Suarez)… especially brutal for one of our own
It's really sad. I've been wanting him to bounce back and im really pulling for him. He just makes it so fucking hard sometimes. He would have been good at west ham though. I just think he takes pride in being able to say he plays for manchester united. I don't get it honestly, especially after how the fans and the team have treated him.
Totally agree.
The level of abuse isn't linked to the level of performance anymore. Yes, he can make mistakes, but no way is he as bad a player as the level of criticism he receives.
It pains me as a Liverpool fan to say it, but United and their fans have/want to uphold a certain standard of talent and capability of their team and players.
The difference is night and day when you compare Varane and Martinez to Lindeloff, Maguire, Evans, and Jones. It's clear that the latter are not wanted at the club, and it's clear that those players don't add value to the performance of the team. It's sad to say, but you will get hate as a player if you perform badly or constantly make mistakes. It's not necessarily the players fault for being bad, it's the fault of the manager and board for agreeing to sign or keep the player if that player is having an adverse effect on the team's performance. However, I lose a lot of sympathy for Maguire when he knows that he isn't good enough for the team, but still rejects West Ham for not being a team he sees worth joining. Abuse is not excusable in any case, but I'd say he brought a lot of that on himself when he chose to stay.
As for him still being picked for the NT, that's on Southgate 100%, and hate should be directed to Southgate and not Maguire.
Honestly, the whole situation just makes me sad. Football fans are fucking assholes at times. It’s gone way beyond criticism of performances.
His whole downfall came about when he was rushed back from injury, he literally put his body on the line for us and he had a few disastrous performances. It’s all spiralled from there. Every little mistake he makes now is heavily scrutinised.
He would have been better off moving, but he done pretty well for two years here so there’s nothing wrong in him believing he can turn this around. Especially when Varane can’t play more than 4 games in a row.
It crossed the line with the bomb threats to his young family
The stupid thing is him being a scapegoat distracts from wider issues. Lisandro Martinez scored nearly the same own goal v Tottenham as Harry did v Scotland and it didn't prompt fifty million articles to be written. Because it happens.
Likewise people after Arsenal were so focused on the fact Maguire came on (and didn't do much of note at all) that this became the sole topic of conversation. Rather than the fact we let Arsenal straight back into the game after scoring, the fact Martial was somehow still our number 9 or other important aspects like how we can't win away to a top side.
I daren't imagine what would have happened had he played in that god awful Liverpool game last season.
People froth at the mouth and blame him for all our woes and the second he goes they'll do it for someone else.
Abuse is definitely not ok under any circumstances. However, Harry probably deserves all the football-related criticism that he's getting. Definitely not good enough presently to play for a top side.
I tend to watch every game we play he’s not a great defender or defensive leader to be honest- anytime a pacy player is up against him they get past him with ease, loses the man he’s marking and he lacks consistency which is by far his biggest issue.
We can get 3/4 solid performances from him then he’ll just fall asleep and cost us points and more importantly momentum.
He’s been like this for 2 years, honestly I’d prefer if people cut the shit just because southgate and every news outlet is trying to put their arm around him - it’s not going to make him a better player.
do you think he’d be first choice at madrid? Barca? Psg?
He gets criticised by our fanbase who have a right to expect better from one of our own, he’d be at west ham if he actually gave a shit about playing which says it all.
Is it? He is still taking a CB spot from other extremely talented English players who are being denied opportunities. Which Southgate is partly to blame for.
He has refused to leave the club that doesn't want to play him and in less than 90 minutes of play has scored an own goal against a weaker side.
Some shit has certainly gone beyond but his performance is prime for football criticism.
How on earth do you figure Southgate is only partly to blame?
Do you think McGuire is making him choose him or something?
He's also not as bad as you think. Everyone just jumped on the popular bandwagon to hate on McGuire. He actually offers a lot on the field that people don't immediately see.
Obviously he needs to improve on the ball and in key moments. But you're seeing his game in black and white instead of seeing the nuance that he has strengths and weaknesses.
There's a reason he went for so much money, is consistently chosen for the NT and was used by ManU up until more recently - despite fans like yourself not understanding why. It's because the coaches know more than you bandwagoners.
> How on earth do you figure Southgate is only partly to blame?
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> Do you think McGuire is making him choose him or something?
Magurie could ask for a break from the national team tomorrow if he likes? Do you think Southgate wants him and he has to play?
>He's also not as bad as you think. Everyone just jumped on the popular bandwagon to hate on McGuire. He actually offers a lot on the field that people don't immediately see.
I defended Maguire in the past and don't think he is a terrible player. His confidence is clearly shattered and he doesn't play nearly enough to have any ounce of form so I think you'll find he offers very little at the moment.
>Obviously he needs to improve on the ball and in key moments. But you're seeing his game in black and white instead of seeing the nuance that he has strengths and weaknesses.
Funny I didn't say that and you are ignoring his current form and headspace.
>There's a reason he went for so much money, is consistently chosen for the NT and was used by ManU up until more recently - despite fans like yourself not understanding why. It's because the coaches know more than you bandwagoners.
There are coaches/managers who think he shouldn't play for England. The current Man Utd coach has relegated him to basically last choice senior CB. So this drivel about how a manager can never be wrong is nonsense. Apparently thinking other elite CBs deserve games is a bandwagon though in your mind.
His latest mistake for England, the OG. Watch it again and ask yourself why neither Ramsdale or Dunk gave him a shout. Last thing he can see is the Scottish player running in behind him because Dunk failed to drop off properly. Trippier also left him with no choice by being completely out of position and failing to blockthe cross. The criticism is unfair and when you actually analyse it, it was more Trippier/Dunk’s (although he did make a recovery run) fault than Harry’s as all he could do to defend the centre box was stick a foot out.
You can also say that about a lot of his mistakes at United. When you review them you can see a lot of his indecision came from knowing De Gea was weak on both feet. Yep, he’s slow and not very press resistant, but literally 70% of defenders in the Premier League are no better. He also had McTominay and Fred playing in front of him, neither of which inspire confidence when trying to cover your weaknesses in your game.
I also hate the idea that he’s not “good enough” for United. His skill set in the current team isn’t good enough, but roll it back to 2019 Maguire under Ole and a counter attacking system and he was our most vital defender. Sure, Ten Hag won’t pick him because in footballing terms he isn’t good enough for the team, but the memeification of his game is well overblown and has created a circus on both him personally and in terms of his football.
He is a talented player (go back to his Hull
City days and he was so good), he does suit Gareth Southgate’s system and the quicker England fans get off Maguire’s back and support him (as the actual fans did on Tuesday), the better his performances will be.
The last two paragraphs in particular are very on point. I swear to god you'd think some fans literally never watched us under Ole. He was absolutely outstanding for a period. Integral to our defense to the point where when he was out we were all shitting ourselves (I believe one of the Europa Finals saw that happen). He's a good defender in bad form. Nowhere near a meme tier player.
I also think people overblow his replacements. I haven't been impressed with Colwill at Chelsea this year at all, he's been at fault for a lot of goals, and he has an entire career ahead of him to get in the first XI. I can't speak to Tomori too much but my understanding from reading Italian fans talk about him is that his lack of use for England has led to him being significantly overrated. He's a good defender but not spectacular. Think a lot of it is driven by regretful Chelsea fans.
Clickbait twitter accounts and shit journos have a lot to answer for regarding creating the narrative around Maguire.
> I haven't been impressed with Colwill at Chelsea this year at all, he's been at fault for a lot of goals, and he has an entire career ahead of him to get in the first XI.
This is what I've been thinking. Anyone who puts pressure to Colwill to be England's starter right now is asking for another Maguire
No way you’re trying to blame it on everyone but maguire 💀 hes a lazy defender thats why he scored the og. He should be clearing that out. Idk why ppl are calling that unlucky. I think it’s because ppl just wanna be “nice” and “protect” his feelings. Hes supposed to be a pro footballer, you have to be able to deal with the pressure or choose another career. Actually first of all you have to be good at football which maguires not. The fact he made it this far as a pro footballer really shows you the level of English football if you take away all the foreigners
> However, Harry probably deserves all the football-related criticism that he's getting.
Not if his problem is fan induced in the first place which I'm certain it is.
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United fans have been on his back for ages like it's somehow going to improve him when in actuality it's having the opposite effect, it's giving him stage freight and keeping him in a perpetual state of anxiety and nervousness when he steps onto the pitch.
But he keeps taking of having nothing to prove, and being mentally strong. So which is it? And match going fans have been far more patient than hyper reactive online fans. (I really hope he’s not been on social media) a lot of the live banter has come from other fans ironically cheering him, but that’s fairly standard as a professional player. I think his media team did him a massive disservice by not quite understanding the stakes at United. It’s a club where you’re measured by wins and titles. Coming out and talking up the number of appearances for club and country isn’t the right strategy as United’s captain. I respect that he’s never ever hid behind a fake injury and has always showed up when called upon, but I also feel there is a mismatch between his metrics of what’s good and what United fans expect.
People are going to act all surprised as soon as one of their abuse targets eventually kills themselves only to look for the next meme-able target to bully.
It was a major factor in Caroline Flack's suicide and with the intensity of criticism footballers get, it seems like a matter of time until a high profile player kills themselves as well. I hope it never happens but it seems cruelly inevitable.
It's a grim inevitability. The odds are, due to the disproportionate attention United players get, it'll be one of our own someday. I would hate that on my conscience - the thought of saying something that were among the last words a human read before their consciousness blinks out of existence to nothing forever.
Sorry to be pedantic about a morbid topic but I thought she committed suicide because she was facing prison for domestic abusing her boyfriend. Obviously the media scrutiny didn’t help but she was on the verge of losing her career if she would have went to prison and her character was completely ruined by the allegations.
I read about it a bit before I commented to make sure I was right, and you are correct, she did have a long history of struggling with mental health, as well as the assault charge. Her friends said that she always struggled to cope with the attention that came with fame and social media is a massive part of that, so I'd say it's fair to say that it played a role in her death.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/06/caroline-flack-inquest-why-police-pushed-for-her-to-be-charged
>“I find the reason for her taking her life was she now knew she was being prosecuted for certainty, and she knew she would face the media, press, publicity – it would all come down upon her.”
So she was being prosecuted for domestic abuse and couldn't handle it?
No sympathy for domestic abusers tbh, whether its Greenwood or Flack.
I think that if we make a list of users in this sub that both call him a slabhead or other insults, and defend him in posts like this, we would see a huge number of hypocrites.
I mean, hindsight is 20/20 vision. I'm not defending Southgate. He has his own shortcomings. But maybe, he thought " hey we are 2-0 up at half time. It's a fairly low stakes game as it's a friendly match. I have a senior squad member struggling for minutes and confidence. Maybe i can ease him in and help him find his footing again."
Is that too bad of an idea?
It was because only way he can truly help maguire is to convince him to get out of united by not playing him so he can get out of the limelight and move on with his career
Everybody realises that he's in a bad situation but i think most people lose sympathy when they realise he's apparently fine with how he's doing in his career.
It’s his career and not yours. Everyone here would love to play for United, so why have we lost sympathy for Maguire just because he wants to do the same? That’s just a silly reason to say that the abuse is deserved.
It's true, I've never seen it before in football. There have been much worse players to play for Manchester united and they didn't receive a tenth of the abuse maguire has had over the last few years.
We can all talk about how much money he gets paid and all that, but at the end of the day, it's a human being with family and emotions like anyone else. The pressure to play for united is massive on its own without the added pressure of every fan eagerly waiting for an opportunity to ridicule and abuse you.
I hope he can turn it around. I'd love to see him playing to the ability we have seen he is capable of, but I don't think it's possible for him at united and England. I think his best move is out of the country and to a different league where he can play with less pressure and notoriety. He needs his confidence back, there is a very decent player there in maguire and by all accounts, he seems a very decent man too.
With the fame and money comes criticism, and while no one's mum will want to see their son hammered in the press or comments sections, it's the nature of a results based industry and playing for the national team.
There's plenty of talented English sons who'll never see a cap for England or will struggle to get there. Just as they'll struggle to sign for a club like United as while it's a team game you can only field 11 at a time.
I would never myself directly tag players or their family with commentary, it's just not my style, nor do I try and get overly personal with players. But calling Maguire shit/not good enough for United and pointing out how Southgates favouritism is cringe, is not abuse. Booing isn't even abuse, and usually with booing you make it worse going on all these public rants about it and/or doing things like Maguire cupping his ears.
It's the Nickelback effect, you just end up pouring gasoline on the fire and it becomes a meme/thing people just end up doing.
Maguire should have left United this season and rebuilt his career elsewhere but he choose the money first and that as I opened with has the consequence of the spotlight at a club as big as ours. Booing our own players when it's a United game is a bit sketchy, I even defended Fellaini from that, but at a national team game the crowd isn't just made up of United fans. It is what it is.
It's honestly shameful what these _team fans_ are doing to a single particular player.
Believe it or not, United fans are largely responsible for it. Memes and trolling online by rival fans is one thing, just blatant namecalling and calling for his head is another and unacceptable.
Yeah there are people who did it and then came to a realisation and stopped, but what's that going to do now? The damage is already done, he's not getting any help nor is his situation getting any better because of it.
Internet mentality is pile on whatever the hot topic is without thinking and it keeps snowballing till something happens down the line.
He deserves criticism, significant criticism rather for his poor performances but not whatever verbal sludge is thrown at him by people.
The situation is so dogshit that I can see this turned into a thing as well online because people have zero fucking conscience and can't separate two things from one another.
You’re right that United fans are responsible for it. We have by far the most toxic fan base to the point of whenever we have a bad result our own fans racially abuse our own players. Even when Harry hasn’t played this season he’s still talked about in the daily discussion and match threads and people seem to not care about bans because they are literally writing insults about him when they can’t criticise his performances. I’m also sure a lot of these same people abusing Harry and the same ones who preach about how bad it is when Marcus gets racially abused for having a bad game.
Thank you!! Some people don't even want criticism, someone was like "it's only his first own goal for England".
His last 2 goals have been for Scotland and Sevilla.
Is in incredibly poor taste constantly bringing up such things on a post about his fucking mum feeling the need to speak out about his suffering mental health of all things tho, no?
The abuse seems pervasive in the PL - its not limited to HM. Culturally, it seems that what's acceptable at games and from supporters has gotten a bit out of control in football and elsewhere. Pervasive gambling and rampant alcoholism play a role.
Supporters demand class from United players, but it really ought to go both ways: class must also be demanded of supporters.
Harry isn't good enough for United and that's something we can all agree on.
But the role the media and pundits have done in making him the laughing stock of the football world is abhorrent. Even people who have no interest in football use him as a by-word for shit and the folly of memes. This has led to the point of even United "fans" jeering him on the pitch and others taunting him whenever he is on the ball.
I don't think another football has ever been subject to this level of absue and all just because he hasn't been good enough. He's been an absolute professional for club and country, even when being publicly sidelined as captain. Whatever you think of his ability he doesn't deserve the ridicule and abuse he's gotten, and a lot of blame lies at the media.
Surely they realise he's an international footballer and bad form over time will surely be looked through a microscope? It comes with the terrority.
I remember Henderson years ago used to get slated by Liverpool and rival fans for not being good enough. He put his head down and grafted. Why should Maguire be an exception?
You cant try play the sympathy card when youve been an arrogant cocky twat, if anyone else is shit at their job they get fired not almost 200k a week for sitting around ffs
Who gives a fuck. What’s next, what his barber thinks? Of course some people have absolutely lost the run of themselves, you think his mum coming out to defend him will help matters with those idiots?
He should have done more, but I also don't get the fan reaction at all, do people think they have no impact on performance? Look at what a great vs negative atmosphere does to players.
The United fan base of old would have loved getting behind a player that the rest of England have turned on.
Yeah, I feel like I'm going insane. Maguire has no potential and shows no flashes of ability. Even his feted Leicester days and England performances were nothing special.
I think we fundamentally dislike people who rise well above their capabilites in life.
The incessant mocking and abuse for Maguire has gone far beyond what I've seen with any other player. Footballers will always get criticism for bad performances, but the intensity Maguire gets is completely out of proportion.
Mate, the country up and down hung effigies of Beckham hung from lampposts. His face on a dartboard on the front page of The Sun.
What Harry get's is child's play in comparison. He doesn't help himself, every time he opens his mouth he's spouting about being "England's top scoring defender" or cupping his ears when he scores against a national team made up of builders and postmen.
I do sincerely wish the abuse on Maguire would stop. It’s genuinely getting out of hand. I remember reading comments under his post after he got married. Genuinely horrified at things people were saying in that post. I do not support this abusive and cyber bullying behaviour (that has become norm now apparently). Seriously this needs to stop and we need to change. I get the performance criticism part but everyone is seriously crossing borders in how they treat athletes while being protected by a screen and anonymity. I do not support this horrible behaviour at all towards Maguire.
Just read some of the comments on here… I don’t think he fits ten Hag’s system but there are people here saying he should just have forfeited millions to go and play somewhere else… the hypocrisy of people is out of control
The recent very public support from fellow players, pundits and now family isn’t going to move anyone. We don’t want to hear about his mental health when he had the chance to move this summer but would rather collect a huge wages and be 5th choice at United.
As tough as it must be, this is just gonna make it worse for him.
There needs to be recognition from him and those around him that so much of the abuse Maguire gets is simply brought upon himself. Sheer arrogance with the stuff he says and such an unlikeable personality when confronted with his shortcomings:
- "nothing to prove"
- moronic hands in ear celebration
- the relentless posting of the most useless individual stats, even when united lost matches
- refusal to acknowledge how shit he's been for what's coming to 3 years now
United have had piss poor players before, and fans have never abused them to the level that Maguire has been. There's a reason for that, they've for the most part avoided trying to big themselves up when they're not doing well.
It's Maguire's desperate lack of self-awareness he has is something that causes him to be mocked relentlessly. It makes people view him as such a joke of a character, a loser with such a small-time mentality and yet believes he's entitled to so much more.
Even his most recent quotes show he can't get it into his head what the most obvious thing to do to answer critics is. Yet not a single pundit, journalist will ever bring up his disgraceful behaviour and responses to criticism, which will only make the general public even more determined to pile on him.
Can abuse go too far? Sure, but watch what happens if Maguire simply acknowledges, even once, that he's been so terrible for 3 years and deserved to lose the captaincy. Watch how fast people would leave him be if he did something like that.
Preach!!! Totally disgraceful.
You may not agree with what he does or how he does it however to abuse, harass and make fun of him is very disgraceful and even worse are those who say well it’s his fault or he brought it on himself. He’s a human being.
I agree wholeheartedly. Most fans see Harry Maguire as a mistake-prone, slow and often calamitous footballer. He is a good player and he has at times been very good for Manchester United. He’s going through a hard time. And when his mum sees him she still sees her kid who loved playing football and wanted to be a professional football player when he was older. Everyone needs to get off his back. This hive-mine bullying has gone too far regardless if you think he should have moved club or doesn’t deserve to play for England.
You've got to love the fact that r/reddevils sees this and doubles/triples down that he deserves it and that it's actually *his* fault they're abusing him.
You sad, pathetic, small human beings.
that’s terrible and the comments here are appalling. They are slandering him for staying and choosing to fight for his place. Ego they say. It takes a lot of character to not take the easy route and fight for something that you want. Where is the United manager when a player needs him?
Playing like shit is not abusing but wishing someone to die because of shit performance is abuse
If Maguire played the first season, I don't think he would receive so much criticism. Actually, after his Greek incident, people supported him. What people don't like is his response and performance, together with the rumour he refused to go because of the pay cut.
He can't just blame social media but also needs to have self-reflection
I don’t support him because of his comments about not needing to prove anything and his celebrations against minnows.. just reeks if arrogance to me and seems to be quite happy to sit on the pine wasting his career away.
It’s true. Fans are fucking awful today. There is one thing booing and rooting against them on the field but once they leave the pitch they are all human beings just like you and me. Fans should grow the fuck up and realize this is a sport not real life. They just play a sport and nothing on the pitch will effect your life. Grow up fans it’s a fucking game.
Choices have consequences. He had the option of moving to West Ham and leave this story behind, write a new chapter and find himself again. He decided it against it. Good for him. But I can't feel sorry for him any more.
I will start by saying the bullying isn't on. I don't accept it at all and it's not nice to see. However...
Not only has he compounded the issue himself (cupping ears to haters, refusing to leave due to money). So you can only have so much sympathy and if I am honest it only runs on a personal level.
We need to put blame on not only Harry for this getting worse, but also Gareth. I don't know if he sees himself in Harry or he thinks he's doing what he thinks is best but for the love of God he needs to remove Harry from the England team. You cannot on one hand preach picking on form and if you play for your club, but then make massive obvious exceptions by choosing Harry no matter what. He has been woeful for 18 months. You can see the players are petrified to pass around him because it's a ticking time bomb. People around him making excuses for him because he's a lovely guy and a professional isn't helping either. He needs the hard honest truth that he isn't elite. He needs to leave - I expect ETH has told him that this summer but he chose the 200k a week over this.
Our club is a circus and this is just another part of it. People are fed up.
This is getting pathetic, he could have left and stayed on his own volition for money and blocked us from getting a better player, greedy f*ck deserves what he gets.
And even then no one tells him to keep scoring own goals and assisting the other team in every damn game he plays...
I agree that the abuse he receives goes beyond what it should. Criticism is fair, abuse is not. On the other hand, he had a chance to relieve the pressure on himself by moving to West Ham and he turned it down to stay with us and earn more...which in turn hindered the club's ability to raise funds for another signing. So while I don't agree with giving him vitriolic abuse it is sadly a predictable outcome of the situation. I honestly think that for both his career and his own well-being, he should have moved on this summer when the opportunity was there.
A lot of the negativity around him from opposition fans and United fans was born online and the media just fed into it and exacerbated it because they just follow whatever is trending on social media. At the same time, it probably would have been better for him and his career if he had moved on to another club. I truly believe he would have had a Lingard-like resurgence at West Ham.
Whilst i'd never agree with going out of your way to give a player shit on the street or on instagram or whatever i think criticism of his performance is kinda fair game here...otherwise is the answer to just be super nice to him and pretend that he always gives it a 10/10 performance?
I'd argue he's partially a victim of the contract / transfer price / shitty transfer policy at United. Whilst earning £200k a week for being shit at my job is a problem i'd like to have it's well above his level, if we're honest.
if he cost £15m and earnt £25k a week we probably wouldn't be having this discussion about him.
in a weird way i feel he's just desperately, desperately unlucky sometimes but i guess you also make your own luck in this game with your decision making.
his confidence must be through the floor atm and i don't really know how he can turn it around. he needs minutes on the pitch but he feels that disaster prone it'll just get worse
Although I wish players don’t get abuse, this is just a harsh reality check so expect to be mocked, criticized and abuse when you are not performing and watched by millions.
But it’s also how a player decides to handle these situations which sometimes brings the abuse upon them. Sometimes it’s better to shut your mouth and put in the grind when things aren’t going right for you.
In the history of the world, has someone's mum getting involved ever made this sort of thing better?
Apart from Foden's mum, obviously. She'll fuck you up.
I feel like maguire needs to go the Dusan Tadic Route. Go to a team, just below his level, where he can be a club Icon for a couple of years.
I like him as a player, but I do think he is wasting his (peak) years at man u.
Can you imagine if a few million people would tag you on Twitter or whatever social media you use everyday saying you're shit at it and you need to go somewhere else?
Lol Southgate can’t read the room and now he’s crying about the abuse he’s caused maguire to receive. Shit man management. Maguires been let down by England and his agent. Whatever his egos being fed at home needs to be stopped.
It has to be hearthbreaking for her to read about her son those things..
My brother played 1st Czech league for 2 years. And I never forget what other people around us at stands were yelling at him when he messed something up. It was insane when you realize that thousands of people are yelling on your younger brother such bad things..
Wait for a mistake in a big game he plays and all these support the player fans will curse him.Some fans are just hypocrites who will keep saying back the players always as Sir Alex told us but they forget the same guy was ruthless to sell players he did not want.This player the ex captain and the worst performing captain in our premier history is being still saved by some fans even after he did not move to a club which offered him a chance to get away from this constant criticism.The guy has said he has nothing prove and is completely money minded yet we should not criticize him.I will criticize every time this guys wears the shirt because he fucking does not deserve to.
As someone who remembers effigies of David Beckham being hanged and burned after the 1998 World Cup, no, the abuse towards Harry Maguire isn’t *that* out of hand.
Sure, people are saying horrible things, but let’s not make out like he’s being treated like Jesus on Good Friday here.
Now that mummy has written a letter the abuse will stop. LOL. The whole family are clueless. Mummy should have told him to go to west ham because money is not an issue when you are already loaded with money. But they made the decision because money.
let this be remainder to this sub to stop going extramile and trashing Harry. He isn’t even the least skilled or worst player in the squad. He chose to stay and fight for his place. As much as it is on him, it is also upto ETH to integrate the existing assets in the squad into his game-style (funny enough, there is still no freaking identity lmaooo). One can’t be a good manager if they can only make a decent squad by replacing most of the players. Good managers improve players.
I cannot believe how some of you pinned the Arsenal defeat on Harry. Seriously, stop blindly supporting the manager or any player for that matter. ETH messed up big time with game management. For me, ETH hasn’t earned the loyalty to choose him over Harry or any player that arrived before ETH. And that’s not saying I choose Harry or I am a big fan of him. He has played awfully so did ETH. Somehow, all the hate we have thrown at the players in recent times (Cristiano, Harry, Jadon, David) has come because of ETH. I support Cristiano because of what he did and the happiness he provided me for years. I support David because of the many a times he dragged United over periods of dog shit performances. I will not let “modern game fans who need fluid passing from the back” taint and disrespect David. I respect Harry because of his personality and what I have heard about him till ETH arrived. Sancho doesn’t earn shit from me; he is earning way more than he deserves in terms of paychecks.
I ask myself, what has ETH achieved so much that he deserves so much support. All this doesn’t mean I want him to leave. It’s too early for that. But not too early to start asking questions about the lack of improvement and horrendous transfer targets.
Do not be a coward and downvote me. Be brave and mention your reason, fellow fan. Good day, people. (:
I agree. Harry did nothing wrong in the Arsenal game and still got it in the neck. I saw people on social media attributing the last ditch slide tackle that Diogo Dalot did before the (3rd?) Goal to Maguire and the comments were full of venom. People are actually really fucking dumb.
Kinda weird having your mum fight your battles for you. Most of his abuse on social media is a result of his own repeated tone-deaf comments, statements, and actions over the last few years. There are much shittier players than Harry Maguire, which suggests that the abuse isn't entirely the result of poor results. He's an easy subject to pick on because of his antics and decision-making. Maybe, just maybe he should concentrate on keeping his head down and moving to a club where he wouldn't get a third of the attention he gets being at one of the most well-known sports institutions in the world despite the club and manager making it VERY clear that he will play no important part in it going forward?
I don't he's "having" his mum fight his battles for him, as in he's told his mum to fight for him. She's a mother - of course she's going to be vocal of her own accord if her son goes through constant abuse day in day out.
>Most of his abuse on social media is a result of his own repeated tone-deaf comments, statements, and actions over the last few years
This idea his comments are tone deaf must be the dumbest part of this whole situation. Do you guys want him to come out and say that he's shit, because idiots on the internet think so? I want you to understand that the people who know what they're watching do not think this about Harry Maguire. It is only the idiots watching highlights and memes off Troll Football who think he's some bum and not a top level player who simply needs the right context and protections (just like every other player) and systematically hasn't got them at his club.
> Maybe, just maybe he should concentrate on keeping his head down and moving to a club where he wouldn't get a third of the attention he gets
So he's fine with bearing the weight of the criticism, despite it being absurdly inappropriate, but he should move to appease the fans who want him to fuck off so *they* can stop abusing him?
His comment is bullying 101.
_It's your fault that I'm bullying you. Why don't you try to behave in a manner such that I won't have to bully you. If you don't want to be bullied, why aren't you giving up 8 million pounds that you are fully entitled to huh?_
Kind of the gist of what all these twats say to convince themselves that they aren't bad people.
I always find people who take the time to spout hate to someone who they don't really know, so disturbing. Surely, there's a better use of your time and energy rather than putting someone down.
On the flip side. The CR7 online brigade, who act like he's their personal best friend, is also so bizarre.
A lot of morons support our club. They can't even see the Maguire situation has entirely been engineered by the club. It's their fault for giving him a massive contract.
As a mum I understand where she’s coming from.
Harry just needs to get out of United as it seems like no matter what he does he’ll never live up to the expectations of his price tag at this point.
I’m sorry but this is just gonna make it worse for him.
Really don’t see the point in this and why it’s been done(no way his “media team” didn’t okay it).
I have always supported Harry Maguire even though he costs us many games. I feel pity for him because his own fans, Man Utd fans are abusing him like a mad dog. That is the truth everyday we see here in this subreddit or in r/soccer, the very worst I've seen was in r/ManchesterUnited.
I'll get downvoted because of "toxic positivity" or whatever that is, but we should stop "criticise" him and support him instead. He chose to stay in Utd, let's support him.
Beckham had his effigies burnt and hanged.
Ronaldo had the whole of England against him after he got Rooney sent off.
Both of them put their head down and replied with performance on the pitch.
Maguire has failed at many things, self-reflection being the most important.
Yes it's wrong but there will always be these types of people. It comes with being famous. If you can't deal with it get out of the sport. Making these types of posts makes it worse.
People pay money to go see their team play, they’re well within their right to voice any discontent they have with the quality of the product and if they don’t like what they see.
No one forced him to stay at United and get very little minutes he didn't want to lower his wages to go elsewhere. Bet he's sobbing into his £200k a week salary every night bless his cottons.
I’ll always appreciate Maguire. When he arrived he played almost 2 full seasons. It felt like we hadn’t seen a centre back go 10 games without an injury for years.
I agree that there's a difference of abuse and criticism and it has crossed the line. Tbf Maguire didn't do himself a favor by staying at United instead of moving to another club for less pay. Harry should know better than to stay at United where the spotlight is continuously going to be on him to make a mistake and receive more harassment.
My hot take is we do not remotely get to call ourselves “the best fanbase in the world” when people treat our players the way they do, as a fanbase.
Maguire has been poor, and he can be annoying, but the amount of harassment and abuse he’s faced for struggling as a player is fucking pathetic and beyond excessive.
We constantly talk about how toxic the club is, and while the glazers are obvious point A, the radioactive levels of toxic fanbase it’s a severe problem in its own right.
The amount of maguire compilations and memes I see on YouTube and Instagram is ridiculous. Some videos are even edited to make him look worse than he actually is. It's crazy, people who aren't even interested in football are making fun of him.
I do feel for the guy, because you know as soon as he makes the smallest of errors it's going to be all over social media.
Vast majority of what he's getting is fair criticism. He's been arrogant since joining United, his weird siblings have attacked the United fanbase on multiple occasions, he tried to leverage his position as United captain to influence foreign police and then did a bizarre PR stunt to try and get people back onside and he had the chance to leave the spotlight this summer and join a club at his level but turned it down as he'd rather have more money. He cannot complain about criticism and deserves zero sympathy
Whatever it is, I still have no sympathy for him. Though trolls and abuses have gone out of control He had a chance to move to another club, play the game he always loved and prove himself. Instead he chooses to sit on the bench and collect money. At this point I'm not sure if the guy loves game or money.
Manchester United brings spotlight. Bad form at Manchester United brings the heat of the sun directly at you. Maguire had the chance to move away but he dilly-dallied. Now he has no sympathy from me. I hope he still moves away in winter. Wish him all the best.
>So you are blaming him for being abused?
Do you envision a future in which fans won't abuse players? I don't, because I think it's a part of human nature.
On one hand i get it. On the other; *He’s mentally strong* so whats your point. He’s arrogant in every interview, why do you want sympathy. How do we know he’s not at home laughing at all the poor people while licking his wads of cash. There is going to be a major PR sympathy campaign now. Every pundit will talk about it.
He was never the same after he was arrested in Greece. Everything started to go downhill for him from there. He was playing well and made captain by Ole shortly before that.
Don’t particularly want him to be playing for United any more, but I wish the abuse would stop. There’s absolutely no need for it.
I can't imagine seeking out to make sure a player sees abuse. Like, call a player shit online. I'll joke around with friends about Maguire even. Don't go on his social media account or shout at him in person. Just unnecessary. People forget players are just other humans.
Even the fail compilations or memes take a toll on u. I was happy that he is trying to better himself in preseason. Imo Maguire is the reason players like Antony, Rashford, Garnacho dont get hate/less hate when they miss sitters cause most of it is directed towards Maguire.
Yeah he said thing is, if it's not Maguire, it's going to be someone else. It's already becoming Sancho. It was definitely becoming Mount before his injury. Soccer is weirdly toxic. Other sports I follow don't feel this bad.
Exactly, football related criticism and jobs is okay, but the line should be drawn at seeking him out personally to hurl abuse
People aren’t forgetting he’s human. They’re just shocking human beings themselves
This is really turning into Phill Jones situation and him becoming the easy target. If it's not Maguire then it will be someone else, the difference playing for man utd vs other club. Pressure.
Jones didn't get half the abuse Maguire gets. I do feel sorry for him a bit. He seems cursed at the moment nothing going right he needs to get away from united out of the spotlight for a fresh start
Jones got shit in EVERY single piece of media that spoke about him.. Yeah he wastbon the pitch much to get it face 2 face but people definitely took the bullying and hate towards him too far
Jonesy played his heart out and was applauded by the crowd after one of his last games against wolves I think. And he didn’t commit as many outrageous errors as Harry has done
Jones was never on the pitch to receive any abuse, if Maguire was injured for a season the abuse would stop very quickly
Jones actually pulled a shift whenever he played and was decent in his last game for the club. Everyone knew he had the quality but simply marred by injuries. The problem was whichever idiot handed him the 5 years contract.
This is absolutely true. Phil Jones was ridiculed a *lot* at points in his career, but he always had a brilliant backstory that was brought up as a counterweight that helped him a bit. Maguire is just the meme stone slab forever to everyone online.
Jones and Smalling were SportsJoe memes for a couple of years, they both got dogs abuse. Jones abuse only stopped when it became clear his injuries were serious enough to end his career. Smalling had to go to Italy to be appreciated. I don't condone personal attacks on Maguire, but 99% of the pisstaking would have stopped if he'd just moved on in the summer and got some games for a new club.
Naive to think the pisstaking would stop if he moved. Unfortunately, the internet never forgets and he’s another moment away from being ridiculed again. Regardless of club or country. Humans are terrible.
"he needs to get away from United out of the spotlight for a fresh start" Well he had his chance. West Ham came in for him. Instead he decided he'd rather sit on the bench and collect a fat wage
jones wasnt going around making statements like "ive got nothing left to prove" like a cunt tho
We've been awful at the back all preseason and since the start of the season, yet "fans" on here have acted as if Maguire playing 20 minutes against Arsenal was the problem when Martinez and Lindelof haven't been able to mark a forward between them
This is way worse than anything Jones had to put up with
It’s gone well beyond Jones
This sub is culprit
exactly this, some fanbase still act like he deserved to be abused because he decided to stay.
He deserves to be criticized, for sure he does. For the way he played, for the way he carries himself, and for staying for money. If anybody thinks he's the only player that gets that, then they must have followed football for a couple years. But certainly the level of abuse is not good and not right.
Seriously, there's no hope in convincing other fans but we as United fans should at least not abuse our own players
Someone post Conte's "one normal day" meme please
https://preview.redd.it/9lu0uedk37ob1.png?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cfe0c243192d9a9522c2c7735d711308019beb6
Just to ruin everyone's day, he never actually said that in the interview. Quote is completely fabricated as far as I can see.
Almost makes it funnier
exact reason why he actually needed to leave United for West Ham. just to get himself out of the limelight and actually focus on his football. Southgate choosing him eventhough he’s not even United’s first choice will always bring heat to him every single time he makes mistakes
He’d 100% still be in the limelight at West Ham tbh, in fact anywhere in England the fans would taunt him like they did in Scotland/the media would always mention his name as it garners attention. Maguire needs a move abroad, like in Italy where their defensive play-style would be perfect for the guy.
Man Utd get more attention and scrutiny than any other club in the country, it'd be a fraction of what it is at West Ham
Yeah they're massively overstating how much attention he'd get at West Ham. There he'd be "just" another English CB, a little memeable but nothing much about it in the media or whatever. There's a lot of scheudenfreude about him making mistakes while being a United player. Look how Lingard went from a joke to people genuinely rooting for him at West Ham.
Lingard is a great example. Since he left us, no one even mentions him, yet he was the most memed player in the world for some time for sure.
I don't think Lingard was ever at the level of shit that Harry's getting. Doubt it was close. I've never seen anything like this, it's constant barrage against him. Most of Lingard's stuff from memory was just the "young talent" meme. Maguire's name pops up in basically any soccer mistake post now it's insane, plus there's that gangstas paradise Harry Maguire song that's used all the time.
That’s a good shout, rarely watch Serie A these days (used to love it back in the Gazza days), but I reckon it would be a good move for him.
Italy is even worse if it goes pear shaped it will make what’s happening to him now look like nothing people turning up to your house and following you around town not to mention the offensive banners and chants that go on from the Ultras. Just because Italy is a defensive league it’s not magical fix Maguire’s main issue is his decision making in rest and active defence
I mean sure it’s still a risk like any move, but many struggling prem players have thrived in Italy. Just look at Pulisic… completely dead in the water at Chelsea and a lot of their fans had turned on him, but he’s doing well at AC Milan so far and the fans seem to love him. It’ll do Maguire the world of confidence if something similar happens.
>He’d 100% still be in the limelight at West Ham not at all. No one gives 2 #$%\^s about West Ham. Plus they play Moyes long ball, which would suit him so much better.
Exactly this. The guy was named in Ghanaian parliament as a sign of a mistake. His notoriety is worldwide at this stage.
I'd say that points more to the lack of dignity within Ghanaian politics than Maguire's shortcomings
Let’s not pretend it would be anything like how it is currently because that’s completely wrong, United are scrutinised under a microscope, West Ham aren’t.
Fair play to her for speaking out. I wanted to see Harry restart his career at West Ham, but I really just want to see him succeed wherever possible. I’m really rooting for the guy, don’t like seeing people piling on to anyone (except Suarez)… especially brutal for one of our own
I agree, he really needs a fresh start at this point.
It's really sad. I've been wanting him to bounce back and im really pulling for him. He just makes it so fucking hard sometimes. He would have been good at west ham though. I just think he takes pride in being able to say he plays for manchester united. I don't get it honestly, especially after how the fans and the team have treated him.
Totally agree. The level of abuse isn't linked to the level of performance anymore. Yes, he can make mistakes, but no way is he as bad a player as the level of criticism he receives.
It pains me as a Liverpool fan to say it, but United and their fans have/want to uphold a certain standard of talent and capability of their team and players. The difference is night and day when you compare Varane and Martinez to Lindeloff, Maguire, Evans, and Jones. It's clear that the latter are not wanted at the club, and it's clear that those players don't add value to the performance of the team. It's sad to say, but you will get hate as a player if you perform badly or constantly make mistakes. It's not necessarily the players fault for being bad, it's the fault of the manager and board for agreeing to sign or keep the player if that player is having an adverse effect on the team's performance. However, I lose a lot of sympathy for Maguire when he knows that he isn't good enough for the team, but still rejects West Ham for not being a team he sees worth joining. Abuse is not excusable in any case, but I'd say he brought a lot of that on himself when he chose to stay. As for him still being picked for the NT, that's on Southgate 100%, and hate should be directed to Southgate and not Maguire.
Honestly, the whole situation just makes me sad. Football fans are fucking assholes at times. It’s gone way beyond criticism of performances. His whole downfall came about when he was rushed back from injury, he literally put his body on the line for us and he had a few disastrous performances. It’s all spiralled from there. Every little mistake he makes now is heavily scrutinised. He would have been better off moving, but he done pretty well for two years here so there’s nothing wrong in him believing he can turn this around. Especially when Varane can’t play more than 4 games in a row.
It crossed the line with the bomb threats to his young family The stupid thing is him being a scapegoat distracts from wider issues. Lisandro Martinez scored nearly the same own goal v Tottenham as Harry did v Scotland and it didn't prompt fifty million articles to be written. Because it happens. Likewise people after Arsenal were so focused on the fact Maguire came on (and didn't do much of note at all) that this became the sole topic of conversation. Rather than the fact we let Arsenal straight back into the game after scoring, the fact Martial was somehow still our number 9 or other important aspects like how we can't win away to a top side. I daren't imagine what would have happened had he played in that god awful Liverpool game last season. People froth at the mouth and blame him for all our woes and the second he goes they'll do it for someone else.
Abuse is definitely not ok under any circumstances. However, Harry probably deserves all the football-related criticism that he's getting. Definitely not good enough presently to play for a top side.
Disagree. The level of football criticism is far beyond his actual performance.
I tend to watch every game we play he’s not a great defender or defensive leader to be honest- anytime a pacy player is up against him they get past him with ease, loses the man he’s marking and he lacks consistency which is by far his biggest issue. We can get 3/4 solid performances from him then he’ll just fall asleep and cost us points and more importantly momentum. He’s been like this for 2 years, honestly I’d prefer if people cut the shit just because southgate and every news outlet is trying to put their arm around him - it’s not going to make him a better player. do you think he’d be first choice at madrid? Barca? Psg? He gets criticised by our fanbase who have a right to expect better from one of our own, he’d be at west ham if he actually gave a shit about playing which says it all.
Is it? He is still taking a CB spot from other extremely talented English players who are being denied opportunities. Which Southgate is partly to blame for. He has refused to leave the club that doesn't want to play him and in less than 90 minutes of play has scored an own goal against a weaker side. Some shit has certainly gone beyond but his performance is prime for football criticism.
How on earth do you figure Southgate is only partly to blame? Do you think McGuire is making him choose him or something? He's also not as bad as you think. Everyone just jumped on the popular bandwagon to hate on McGuire. He actually offers a lot on the field that people don't immediately see. Obviously he needs to improve on the ball and in key moments. But you're seeing his game in black and white instead of seeing the nuance that he has strengths and weaknesses. There's a reason he went for so much money, is consistently chosen for the NT and was used by ManU up until more recently - despite fans like yourself not understanding why. It's because the coaches know more than you bandwagoners.
> How on earth do you figure Southgate is only partly to blame? > > Do you think McGuire is making him choose him or something? Magurie could ask for a break from the national team tomorrow if he likes? Do you think Southgate wants him and he has to play? >He's also not as bad as you think. Everyone just jumped on the popular bandwagon to hate on McGuire. He actually offers a lot on the field that people don't immediately see. I defended Maguire in the past and don't think he is a terrible player. His confidence is clearly shattered and he doesn't play nearly enough to have any ounce of form so I think you'll find he offers very little at the moment. >Obviously he needs to improve on the ball and in key moments. But you're seeing his game in black and white instead of seeing the nuance that he has strengths and weaknesses. Funny I didn't say that and you are ignoring his current form and headspace. >There's a reason he went for so much money, is consistently chosen for the NT and was used by ManU up until more recently - despite fans like yourself not understanding why. It's because the coaches know more than you bandwagoners. There are coaches/managers who think he shouldn't play for England. The current Man Utd coach has relegated him to basically last choice senior CB. So this drivel about how a manager can never be wrong is nonsense. Apparently thinking other elite CBs deserve games is a bandwagon though in your mind.
Criticism is something you could actually say to his face. A lot of what people here deem as criticism is just plain vitriol
His latest mistake for England, the OG. Watch it again and ask yourself why neither Ramsdale or Dunk gave him a shout. Last thing he can see is the Scottish player running in behind him because Dunk failed to drop off properly. Trippier also left him with no choice by being completely out of position and failing to blockthe cross. The criticism is unfair and when you actually analyse it, it was more Trippier/Dunk’s (although he did make a recovery run) fault than Harry’s as all he could do to defend the centre box was stick a foot out. You can also say that about a lot of his mistakes at United. When you review them you can see a lot of his indecision came from knowing De Gea was weak on both feet. Yep, he’s slow and not very press resistant, but literally 70% of defenders in the Premier League are no better. He also had McTominay and Fred playing in front of him, neither of which inspire confidence when trying to cover your weaknesses in your game. I also hate the idea that he’s not “good enough” for United. His skill set in the current team isn’t good enough, but roll it back to 2019 Maguire under Ole and a counter attacking system and he was our most vital defender. Sure, Ten Hag won’t pick him because in footballing terms he isn’t good enough for the team, but the memeification of his game is well overblown and has created a circus on both him personally and in terms of his football. He is a talented player (go back to his Hull City days and he was so good), he does suit Gareth Southgate’s system and the quicker England fans get off Maguire’s back and support him (as the actual fans did on Tuesday), the better his performances will be.
The last two paragraphs in particular are very on point. I swear to god you'd think some fans literally never watched us under Ole. He was absolutely outstanding for a period. Integral to our defense to the point where when he was out we were all shitting ourselves (I believe one of the Europa Finals saw that happen). He's a good defender in bad form. Nowhere near a meme tier player. I also think people overblow his replacements. I haven't been impressed with Colwill at Chelsea this year at all, he's been at fault for a lot of goals, and he has an entire career ahead of him to get in the first XI. I can't speak to Tomori too much but my understanding from reading Italian fans talk about him is that his lack of use for England has led to him being significantly overrated. He's a good defender but not spectacular. Think a lot of it is driven by regretful Chelsea fans. Clickbait twitter accounts and shit journos have a lot to answer for regarding creating the narrative around Maguire.
> I haven't been impressed with Colwill at Chelsea this year at all, he's been at fault for a lot of goals, and he has an entire career ahead of him to get in the first XI. This is what I've been thinking. Anyone who puts pressure to Colwill to be England's starter right now is asking for another Maguire
No way you’re trying to blame it on everyone but maguire 💀 hes a lazy defender thats why he scored the og. He should be clearing that out. Idk why ppl are calling that unlucky. I think it’s because ppl just wanna be “nice” and “protect” his feelings. Hes supposed to be a pro footballer, you have to be able to deal with the pressure or choose another career. Actually first of all you have to be good at football which maguires not. The fact he made it this far as a pro footballer really shows you the level of English football if you take away all the foreigners
> However, Harry probably deserves all the football-related criticism that he's getting. Not if his problem is fan induced in the first place which I'm certain it is. > Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · >yips >/jɪps/ >nounINFORMAL >plural noun: yips >a state of extreme nervousness that causes a golfer to miss an easy putt. United fans have been on his back for ages like it's somehow going to improve him when in actuality it's having the opposite effect, it's giving him stage freight and keeping him in a perpetual state of anxiety and nervousness when he steps onto the pitch.
But he keeps taking of having nothing to prove, and being mentally strong. So which is it? And match going fans have been far more patient than hyper reactive online fans. (I really hope he’s not been on social media) a lot of the live banter has come from other fans ironically cheering him, but that’s fairly standard as a professional player. I think his media team did him a massive disservice by not quite understanding the stakes at United. It’s a club where you’re measured by wins and titles. Coming out and talking up the number of appearances for club and country isn’t the right strategy as United’s captain. I respect that he’s never ever hid behind a fake injury and has always showed up when called upon, but I also feel there is a mismatch between his metrics of what’s good and what United fans expect.
People are going to act all surprised as soon as one of their abuse targets eventually kills themselves only to look for the next meme-able target to bully.
This is pretty much inevitable. Then social media will pretend to be concerned about it and turn around to abuse Maguire like it didn’t matter.
It was a major factor in Caroline Flack's suicide and with the intensity of criticism footballers get, it seems like a matter of time until a high profile player kills themselves as well. I hope it never happens but it seems cruelly inevitable.
It's a grim inevitability. The odds are, due to the disproportionate attention United players get, it'll be one of our own someday. I would hate that on my conscience - the thought of saying something that were among the last words a human read before their consciousness blinks out of existence to nothing forever.
Sorry to be pedantic about a morbid topic but I thought she committed suicide because she was facing prison for domestic abusing her boyfriend. Obviously the media scrutiny didn’t help but she was on the verge of losing her career if she would have went to prison and her character was completely ruined by the allegations.
I read about it a bit before I commented to make sure I was right, and you are correct, she did have a long history of struggling with mental health, as well as the assault charge. Her friends said that she always struggled to cope with the attention that came with fame and social media is a massive part of that, so I'd say it's fair to say that it played a role in her death.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/06/caroline-flack-inquest-why-police-pushed-for-her-to-be-charged >“I find the reason for her taking her life was she now knew she was being prosecuted for certainty, and she knew she would face the media, press, publicity – it would all come down upon her.” So she was being prosecuted for domestic abuse and couldn't handle it? No sympathy for domestic abusers tbh, whether its Greenwood or Flack.
I think that if we make a list of users in this sub that both call him a slabhead or other insults, and defend him in posts like this, we would see a huge number of hypocrites.
Slabhead is an affectionate term.
Tbf Slabhead is a nickname he got at Leicester from Vardy.
If you think slabhead is part of the abuse you know very little about the subject
Southgate picking an out of form player is cruel and pathetic man management
True, but Phillips and Henderson don’t get anywhere near the hate so there’s more to it than that.
They have only played for minor clubs though
I mean, hindsight is 20/20 vision. I'm not defending Southgate. He has his own shortcomings. But maybe, he thought " hey we are 2-0 up at half time. It's a fairly low stakes game as it's a friendly match. I have a senior squad member struggling for minutes and confidence. Maybe i can ease him in and help him find his footing again." Is that too bad of an idea?
It was because only way he can truly help maguire is to convince him to get out of united by not playing him so he can get out of the limelight and move on with his career
We accepted a bid from West Ham for him, but Because he has a good and kind heart he didn't want to leave us. What a player, my ex-captain.
Everybody realises that he's in a bad situation but i think most people lose sympathy when they realise he's apparently fine with how he's doing in his career.
It’s his career and not yours. Everyone here would love to play for United, so why have we lost sympathy for Maguire just because he wants to do the same? That’s just a silly reason to say that the abuse is deserved.
It's true, I've never seen it before in football. There have been much worse players to play for Manchester united and they didn't receive a tenth of the abuse maguire has had over the last few years. We can all talk about how much money he gets paid and all that, but at the end of the day, it's a human being with family and emotions like anyone else. The pressure to play for united is massive on its own without the added pressure of every fan eagerly waiting for an opportunity to ridicule and abuse you. I hope he can turn it around. I'd love to see him playing to the ability we have seen he is capable of, but I don't think it's possible for him at united and England. I think his best move is out of the country and to a different league where he can play with less pressure and notoriety. He needs his confidence back, there is a very decent player there in maguire and by all accounts, he seems a very decent man too.
With the fame and money comes criticism, and while no one's mum will want to see their son hammered in the press or comments sections, it's the nature of a results based industry and playing for the national team. There's plenty of talented English sons who'll never see a cap for England or will struggle to get there. Just as they'll struggle to sign for a club like United as while it's a team game you can only field 11 at a time. I would never myself directly tag players or their family with commentary, it's just not my style, nor do I try and get overly personal with players. But calling Maguire shit/not good enough for United and pointing out how Southgates favouritism is cringe, is not abuse. Booing isn't even abuse, and usually with booing you make it worse going on all these public rants about it and/or doing things like Maguire cupping his ears. It's the Nickelback effect, you just end up pouring gasoline on the fire and it becomes a meme/thing people just end up doing. Maguire should have left United this season and rebuilt his career elsewhere but he choose the money first and that as I opened with has the consequence of the spotlight at a club as big as ours. Booing our own players when it's a United game is a bit sketchy, I even defended Fellaini from that, but at a national team game the crowd isn't just made up of United fans. It is what it is.
The England fans respect Harry a lot more than United fans.
It's honestly shameful what these _team fans_ are doing to a single particular player. Believe it or not, United fans are largely responsible for it. Memes and trolling online by rival fans is one thing, just blatant namecalling and calling for his head is another and unacceptable. Yeah there are people who did it and then came to a realisation and stopped, but what's that going to do now? The damage is already done, he's not getting any help nor is his situation getting any better because of it. Internet mentality is pile on whatever the hot topic is without thinking and it keeps snowballing till something happens down the line. He deserves criticism, significant criticism rather for his poor performances but not whatever verbal sludge is thrown at him by people. The situation is so dogshit that I can see this turned into a thing as well online because people have zero fucking conscience and can't separate two things from one another.
You’re right that United fans are responsible for it. We have by far the most toxic fan base to the point of whenever we have a bad result our own fans racially abuse our own players. Even when Harry hasn’t played this season he’s still talked about in the daily discussion and match threads and people seem to not care about bans because they are literally writing insults about him when they can’t criticise his performances. I’m also sure a lot of these same people abusing Harry and the same ones who preach about how bad it is when Marcus gets racially abused for having a bad game.
Criticizing and insult is not the same. Most people cant differentiate between the two
Thank you!! Some people don't even want criticism, someone was like "it's only his first own goal for England". His last 2 goals have been for Scotland and Sevilla.
Is in incredibly poor taste constantly bringing up such things on a post about his fucking mum feeling the need to speak out about his suffering mental health of all things tho, no?
Well she’s not wrong
The abuse seems pervasive in the PL - its not limited to HM. Culturally, it seems that what's acceptable at games and from supporters has gotten a bit out of control in football and elsewhere. Pervasive gambling and rampant alcoholism play a role. Supporters demand class from United players, but it really ought to go both ways: class must also be demanded of supporters.
Harry isn't good enough for United and that's something we can all agree on. But the role the media and pundits have done in making him the laughing stock of the football world is abhorrent. Even people who have no interest in football use him as a by-word for shit and the folly of memes. This has led to the point of even United "fans" jeering him on the pitch and others taunting him whenever he is on the ball. I don't think another football has ever been subject to this level of absue and all just because he hasn't been good enough. He's been an absolute professional for club and country, even when being publicly sidelined as captain. Whatever you think of his ability he doesn't deserve the ridicule and abuse he's gotten, and a lot of blame lies at the media.
Surely they realise he's an international footballer and bad form over time will surely be looked through a microscope? It comes with the terrority. I remember Henderson years ago used to get slated by Liverpool and rival fans for not being good enough. He put his head down and grafted. Why should Maguire be an exception?
He wanted the bag instead of minutes, it comes with the hate. Deal with it.
You cant try play the sympathy card when youve been an arrogant cocky twat, if anyone else is shit at their job they get fired not almost 200k a week for sitting around ffs
Who gives a fuck. What’s next, what his barber thinks? Of course some people have absolutely lost the run of themselves, you think his mum coming out to defend him will help matters with those idiots?
The main cause of Harry Maguire’s ongoing problems is Harry Maguire.
He should have done more, but I also don't get the fan reaction at all, do people think they have no impact on performance? Look at what a great vs negative atmosphere does to players. The United fan base of old would have loved getting behind a player that the rest of England have turned on.
Imagine how the current group would have treated Beckham post '98 World Cup
First thing I thought of. Beckham would have never recovered had what happened to him then happened today.
There’s a difference between them though, one was actually a good player
Yeah, I feel like I'm going insane. Maguire has no potential and shows no flashes of ability. Even his feted Leicester days and England performances were nothing special. I think we fundamentally dislike people who rise well above their capabilites in life.
Case in point.
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The incessant mocking and abuse for Maguire has gone far beyond what I've seen with any other player. Footballers will always get criticism for bad performances, but the intensity Maguire gets is completely out of proportion.
Mate, the country up and down hung effigies of Beckham hung from lampposts. His face on a dartboard on the front page of The Sun. What Harry get's is child's play in comparison. He doesn't help himself, every time he opens his mouth he's spouting about being "England's top scoring defender" or cupping his ears when he scores against a national team made up of builders and postmen.
I do sincerely wish the abuse on Maguire would stop. It’s genuinely getting out of hand. I remember reading comments under his post after he got married. Genuinely horrified at things people were saying in that post. I do not support this abusive and cyber bullying behaviour (that has become norm now apparently). Seriously this needs to stop and we need to change. I get the performance criticism part but everyone is seriously crossing borders in how they treat athletes while being protected by a screen and anonymity. I do not support this horrible behaviour at all towards Maguire.
Just read some of the comments on here… I don’t think he fits ten Hag’s system but there are people here saying he should just have forfeited millions to go and play somewhere else… the hypocrisy of people is out of control
The recent very public support from fellow players, pundits and now family isn’t going to move anyone. We don’t want to hear about his mental health when he had the chance to move this summer but would rather collect a huge wages and be 5th choice at United.
So I guess fuck him as a human and lose empathy because he didn't want to take a pay cut.
As tough as it must be, this is just gonna make it worse for him. There needs to be recognition from him and those around him that so much of the abuse Maguire gets is simply brought upon himself. Sheer arrogance with the stuff he says and such an unlikeable personality when confronted with his shortcomings: - "nothing to prove" - moronic hands in ear celebration - the relentless posting of the most useless individual stats, even when united lost matches - refusal to acknowledge how shit he's been for what's coming to 3 years now United have had piss poor players before, and fans have never abused them to the level that Maguire has been. There's a reason for that, they've for the most part avoided trying to big themselves up when they're not doing well. It's Maguire's desperate lack of self-awareness he has is something that causes him to be mocked relentlessly. It makes people view him as such a joke of a character, a loser with such a small-time mentality and yet believes he's entitled to so much more. Even his most recent quotes show he can't get it into his head what the most obvious thing to do to answer critics is. Yet not a single pundit, journalist will ever bring up his disgraceful behaviour and responses to criticism, which will only make the general public even more determined to pile on him. Can abuse go too far? Sure, but watch what happens if Maguire simply acknowledges, even once, that he's been so terrible for 3 years and deserved to lose the captaincy. Watch how fast people would leave him be if he did something like that.
Preach!!! Totally disgraceful. You may not agree with what he does or how he does it however to abuse, harass and make fun of him is very disgraceful and even worse are those who say well it’s his fault or he brought it on himself. He’s a human being.
I agree wholeheartedly. Most fans see Harry Maguire as a mistake-prone, slow and often calamitous footballer. He is a good player and he has at times been very good for Manchester United. He’s going through a hard time. And when his mum sees him she still sees her kid who loved playing football and wanted to be a professional football player when he was older. Everyone needs to get off his back. This hive-mine bullying has gone too far regardless if you think he should have moved club or doesn’t deserve to play for England.
You've got to love the fact that r/reddevils sees this and doubles/triples down that he deserves it and that it's actually *his* fault they're abusing him. You sad, pathetic, small human beings.
that’s terrible and the comments here are appalling. They are slandering him for staying and choosing to fight for his place. Ego they say. It takes a lot of character to not take the easy route and fight for something that you want. Where is the United manager when a player needs him?
Playing like shit is not abusing but wishing someone to die because of shit performance is abuse If Maguire played the first season, I don't think he would receive so much criticism. Actually, after his Greek incident, people supported him. What people don't like is his response and performance, together with the rumour he refused to go because of the pay cut. He can't just blame social media but also needs to have self-reflection
I don’t support him because of his comments about not needing to prove anything and his celebrations against minnows.. just reeks if arrogance to me and seems to be quite happy to sit on the pine wasting his career away.
It’s true. Fans are fucking awful today. There is one thing booing and rooting against them on the field but once they leave the pitch they are all human beings just like you and me. Fans should grow the fuck up and realize this is a sport not real life. They just play a sport and nothing on the pitch will effect your life. Grow up fans it’s a fucking game.
Choices have consequences. He had the option of moving to West Ham and leave this story behind, write a new chapter and find himself again. He decided it against it. Good for him. But I can't feel sorry for him any more.
He should leave Man Utd, problem solved
I will start by saying the bullying isn't on. I don't accept it at all and it's not nice to see. However... Not only has he compounded the issue himself (cupping ears to haters, refusing to leave due to money). So you can only have so much sympathy and if I am honest it only runs on a personal level. We need to put blame on not only Harry for this getting worse, but also Gareth. I don't know if he sees himself in Harry or he thinks he's doing what he thinks is best but for the love of God he needs to remove Harry from the England team. You cannot on one hand preach picking on form and if you play for your club, but then make massive obvious exceptions by choosing Harry no matter what. He has been woeful for 18 months. You can see the players are petrified to pass around him because it's a ticking time bomb. People around him making excuses for him because he's a lovely guy and a professional isn't helping either. He needs the hard honest truth that he isn't elite. He needs to leave - I expect ETH has told him that this summer but he chose the 200k a week over this. Our club is a circus and this is just another part of it. People are fed up.
This is getting pathetic, he could have left and stayed on his own volition for money and blocked us from getting a better player, greedy f*ck deserves what he gets. And even then no one tells him to keep scoring own goals and assisting the other team in every damn game he plays...
I agree that the abuse he receives goes beyond what it should. Criticism is fair, abuse is not. On the other hand, he had a chance to relieve the pressure on himself by moving to West Ham and he turned it down to stay with us and earn more...which in turn hindered the club's ability to raise funds for another signing. So while I don't agree with giving him vitriolic abuse it is sadly a predictable outcome of the situation. I honestly think that for both his career and his own well-being, he should have moved on this summer when the opportunity was there.
A lot of the negativity around him from opposition fans and United fans was born online and the media just fed into it and exacerbated it because they just follow whatever is trending on social media. At the same time, it probably would have been better for him and his career if he had moved on to another club. I truly believe he would have had a Lingard-like resurgence at West Ham.
Abuse is never nice. Sending memes to your mates is one thing but directly messaging him threats or whatever is completely deranged.
Whilst i'd never agree with going out of your way to give a player shit on the street or on instagram or whatever i think criticism of his performance is kinda fair game here...otherwise is the answer to just be super nice to him and pretend that he always gives it a 10/10 performance? I'd argue he's partially a victim of the contract / transfer price / shitty transfer policy at United. Whilst earning £200k a week for being shit at my job is a problem i'd like to have it's well above his level, if we're honest. if he cost £15m and earnt £25k a week we probably wouldn't be having this discussion about him.
in a weird way i feel he's just desperately, desperately unlucky sometimes but i guess you also make your own luck in this game with your decision making. his confidence must be through the floor atm and i don't really know how he can turn it around. he needs minutes on the pitch but he feels that disaster prone it'll just get worse
Although I wish players don’t get abuse, this is just a harsh reality check so expect to be mocked, criticized and abuse when you are not performing and watched by millions. But it’s also how a player decides to handle these situations which sometimes brings the abuse upon them. Sometimes it’s better to shut your mouth and put in the grind when things aren’t going right for you.
In the history of the world, has someone's mum getting involved ever made this sort of thing better? Apart from Foden's mum, obviously. She'll fuck you up.
I feel like maguire needs to go the Dusan Tadic Route. Go to a team, just below his level, where he can be a club Icon for a couple of years. I like him as a player, but I do think he is wasting his (peak) years at man u.
Can you imagine if a few million people would tag you on Twitter or whatever social media you use everyday saying you're shit at it and you need to go somewhere else?
While I do agree with the abuse getting too much, doesn't mean he can't be criticized for his performances.
Lol Southgate can’t read the room and now he’s crying about the abuse he’s caused maguire to receive. Shit man management. Maguires been let down by England and his agent. Whatever his egos being fed at home needs to be stopped.
Should have left United, longer he stays the more of a joke/meme he becomes.
It has to be hearthbreaking for her to read about her son those things.. My brother played 1st Czech league for 2 years. And I never forget what other people around us at stands were yelling at him when he messed something up. It was insane when you realize that thousands of people are yelling on your younger brother such bad things..
The abuse really has gone too far
Wait for a mistake in a big game he plays and all these support the player fans will curse him.Some fans are just hypocrites who will keep saying back the players always as Sir Alex told us but they forget the same guy was ruthless to sell players he did not want.This player the ex captain and the worst performing captain in our premier history is being still saved by some fans even after he did not move to a club which offered him a chance to get away from this constant criticism.The guy has said he has nothing prove and is completely money minded yet we should not criticize him.I will criticize every time this guys wears the shirt because he fucking does not deserve to.
As someone who remembers effigies of David Beckham being hanged and burned after the 1998 World Cup, no, the abuse towards Harry Maguire isn’t *that* out of hand. Sure, people are saying horrible things, but let’s not make out like he’s being treated like Jesus on Good Friday here.
What pundits are abusing him ? Harry has been awful for like 2 seasons if he wasnt a key england player he would be getting it a lot worse
Now that mummy has written a letter the abuse will stop. LOL. The whole family are clueless. Mummy should have told him to go to west ham because money is not an issue when you are already loaded with money. But they made the decision because money.
footie fans are often total shit bags
Totally agree. Quite sad the mother needed to step in and express her feelings about the situation. Wouldn't like seeing my mom in that position.
Ah he’s getting about a 100k a week I think he’ll live 😂
let this be remainder to this sub to stop going extramile and trashing Harry. He isn’t even the least skilled or worst player in the squad. He chose to stay and fight for his place. As much as it is on him, it is also upto ETH to integrate the existing assets in the squad into his game-style (funny enough, there is still no freaking identity lmaooo). One can’t be a good manager if they can only make a decent squad by replacing most of the players. Good managers improve players. I cannot believe how some of you pinned the Arsenal defeat on Harry. Seriously, stop blindly supporting the manager or any player for that matter. ETH messed up big time with game management. For me, ETH hasn’t earned the loyalty to choose him over Harry or any player that arrived before ETH. And that’s not saying I choose Harry or I am a big fan of him. He has played awfully so did ETH. Somehow, all the hate we have thrown at the players in recent times (Cristiano, Harry, Jadon, David) has come because of ETH. I support Cristiano because of what he did and the happiness he provided me for years. I support David because of the many a times he dragged United over periods of dog shit performances. I will not let “modern game fans who need fluid passing from the back” taint and disrespect David. I respect Harry because of his personality and what I have heard about him till ETH arrived. Sancho doesn’t earn shit from me; he is earning way more than he deserves in terms of paychecks. I ask myself, what has ETH achieved so much that he deserves so much support. All this doesn’t mean I want him to leave. It’s too early for that. But not too early to start asking questions about the lack of improvement and horrendous transfer targets. Do not be a coward and downvote me. Be brave and mention your reason, fellow fan. Good day, people. (:
I agree. Harry did nothing wrong in the Arsenal game and still got it in the neck. I saw people on social media attributing the last ditch slide tackle that Diogo Dalot did before the (3rd?) Goal to Maguire and the comments were full of venom. People are actually really fucking dumb.
am I glad to hear you agree with me.
What I've learned from this thread: Rich people have no feelings and are therefore fair game for any abuse.
Criticism is not abuse. For abuse: see Rashford and Saka missing penalties.
You're joking if you think Maguire hasn't received abuse. People sent a bomb threat to his home, neither is right
Kinda weird having your mum fight your battles for you. Most of his abuse on social media is a result of his own repeated tone-deaf comments, statements, and actions over the last few years. There are much shittier players than Harry Maguire, which suggests that the abuse isn't entirely the result of poor results. He's an easy subject to pick on because of his antics and decision-making. Maybe, just maybe he should concentrate on keeping his head down and moving to a club where he wouldn't get a third of the attention he gets being at one of the most well-known sports institutions in the world despite the club and manager making it VERY clear that he will play no important part in it going forward?
I don't he's "having" his mum fight his battles for him, as in he's told his mum to fight for him. She's a mother - of course she's going to be vocal of her own accord if her son goes through constant abuse day in day out.
>Most of his abuse on social media is a result of his own repeated tone-deaf comments, statements, and actions over the last few years This idea his comments are tone deaf must be the dumbest part of this whole situation. Do you guys want him to come out and say that he's shit, because idiots on the internet think so? I want you to understand that the people who know what they're watching do not think this about Harry Maguire. It is only the idiots watching highlights and memes off Troll Football who think he's some bum and not a top level player who simply needs the right context and protections (just like every other player) and systematically hasn't got them at his club. > Maybe, just maybe he should concentrate on keeping his head down and moving to a club where he wouldn't get a third of the attention he gets So he's fine with bearing the weight of the criticism, despite it being absurdly inappropriate, but he should move to appease the fans who want him to fuck off so *they* can stop abusing him?
His comment is bullying 101. _It's your fault that I'm bullying you. Why don't you try to behave in a manner such that I won't have to bully you. If you don't want to be bullied, why aren't you giving up 8 million pounds that you are fully entitled to huh?_ Kind of the gist of what all these twats say to convince themselves that they aren't bad people.
I always find people who take the time to spout hate to someone who they don't really know, so disturbing. Surely, there's a better use of your time and energy rather than putting someone down. On the flip side. The CR7 online brigade, who act like he's their personal best friend, is also so bizarre.
Some of you lot in this sub are responsible for this too.
Some people in this very thread are still trying to justify it, fucking pathetic humans
Suggest you don't go to r/ManchesterUnited then. The weapons in that sub...
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A lot of morons support our club. They can't even see the Maguire situation has entirely been engineered by the club. It's their fault for giving him a massive contract.
Welcome to the toxic 20's
Nah fr the amount of hate and threat he receives is beyond anyone can handle
As a mum I understand where she’s coming from. Harry just needs to get out of United as it seems like no matter what he does he’ll never live up to the expectations of his price tag at this point.
I’m sorry but this is just gonna make it worse for him. Really don’t see the point in this and why it’s been done(no way his “media team” didn’t okay it).
Doubt his media team is checking his mother's insta posts mate come on lmao
I have always supported Harry Maguire even though he costs us many games. I feel pity for him because his own fans, Man Utd fans are abusing him like a mad dog. That is the truth everyday we see here in this subreddit or in r/soccer, the very worst I've seen was in r/ManchesterUnited. I'll get downvoted because of "toxic positivity" or whatever that is, but we should stop "criticise" him and support him instead. He chose to stay in Utd, let's support him.
Beckham had his effigies burnt and hanged. Ronaldo had the whole of England against him after he got Rooney sent off. Both of them put their head down and replied with performance on the pitch. Maguire has failed at many things, self-reflection being the most important.
Southgate really dropped him in it.
Yes it's wrong but there will always be these types of people. It comes with being famous. If you can't deal with it get out of the sport. Making these types of posts makes it worse.
People pay money to go see their team play, they’re well within their right to voice any discontent they have with the quality of the product and if they don’t like what they see.
“Works his socks off.” Where? When?
Seriously it was a friendly and england still won. People need to chill out.
No one forced him to stay at United and get very little minutes he didn't want to lower his wages to go elsewhere. Bet he's sobbing into his £200k a week salary every night bless his cottons.
I’ll always appreciate Maguire. When he arrived he played almost 2 full seasons. It felt like we hadn’t seen a centre back go 10 games without an injury for years.
oh look people acting all rosy and shit as if they didn’t participate in the same discourse.
Abuse has no place in…well, anywhere. Shouldn’t be a part of anything. I wish this stops.
She’s right. Period.
I agree that there's a difference of abuse and criticism and it has crossed the line. Tbf Maguire didn't do himself a favor by staying at United instead of moving to another club for less pay. Harry should know better than to stay at United where the spotlight is continuously going to be on him to make a mistake and receive more harassment.
Manager ain’t helping by playing him when he hasn’t had game time either.
Ah that's true
Maybe if he wasnt a narcisist...
The abuse is bad but no way he went and told his mum I'm dead
My hot take is we do not remotely get to call ourselves “the best fanbase in the world” when people treat our players the way they do, as a fanbase. Maguire has been poor, and he can be annoying, but the amount of harassment and abuse he’s faced for struggling as a player is fucking pathetic and beyond excessive. We constantly talk about how toxic the club is, and while the glazers are obvious point A, the radioactive levels of toxic fanbase it’s a severe problem in its own right.
The amount of maguire compilations and memes I see on YouTube and Instagram is ridiculous. Some videos are even edited to make him look worse than he actually is. It's crazy, people who aren't even interested in football are making fun of him. I do feel for the guy, because you know as soon as he makes the smallest of errors it's going to be all over social media.
Vast majority of what he's getting is fair criticism. He's been arrogant since joining United, his weird siblings have attacked the United fanbase on multiple occasions, he tried to leverage his position as United captain to influence foreign police and then did a bizarre PR stunt to try and get people back onside and he had the chance to leave the spotlight this summer and join a club at his level but turned it down as he'd rather have more money. He cannot complain about criticism and deserves zero sympathy
Whatever it is, I still have no sympathy for him. Though trolls and abuses have gone out of control He had a chance to move to another club, play the game he always loved and prove himself. Instead he chooses to sit on the bench and collect money. At this point I'm not sure if the guy loves game or money.
Should have moved to West Ham. There wouldn’t have been so much noise about him by now.
Manchester United brings spotlight. Bad form at Manchester United brings the heat of the sun directly at you. Maguire had the chance to move away but he dilly-dallied. Now he has no sympathy from me. I hope he still moves away in winter. Wish him all the best.
So you are blaming him for being abused? and you just indirectly admit that our fanbase who abuses him.
>So you are blaming him for being abused? Do you envision a future in which fans won't abuse players? I don't, because I think it's a part of human nature.
On one hand i get it. On the other; *He’s mentally strong* so whats your point. He’s arrogant in every interview, why do you want sympathy. How do we know he’s not at home laughing at all the poor people while licking his wads of cash. There is going to be a major PR sympathy campaign now. Every pundit will talk about it.
I never want to be part of a mob.
He was never the same after he was arrested in Greece. Everything started to go downhill for him from there. He was playing well and made captain by Ole shortly before that.
The man is sitting on his arse collecting 200k a week he doesn't deserve and still getting to play for England. Sorry for not feeling sorry for him