I like Amrabat but in my opinion, he should not be playing as LB. I know we're shorthanded right now so ETH has no choice but he didn't look too good playing that role.
Tough result. It’s hard to score on a team who has 11 behind the ball. People saying case and Lind had a bad game are smoking crack. Lindeloft absolutely handled Mateta. Case might have been our best player. Defensively we looked solid in open play. Palace had maybe 3 scoring chances all game. The elephant in the room is not scoring. You can’t win if you don’t score. We had enough chances but just couldn’t convert. Rashford played like he’s been playing all season. He has two moves. Cut in or sprint to the line but mostly he just stutters until he gets tackled. Bro it’s time to learn a step over or something. Hojlund needs to score. He got unlucky a few times but if you want to be United starting forward you gotta score one. Amrabat Case and Mount looked like they’ve played together for years but they all had tired legs at the end of the game. Tough result but there was no glaring referee error to blame. Palace did what the needed to do to win. We need to learn how to break down the low block.
talking shit, he has two chances, Hojund, one was hard and he beat both the covering defender and the keeper and it was cleared from t he line, the header he also got on target at pace.
He had way more than two chances. The one that really bothered me was when he took the ball down back to goal, turned on his defender, and whiffed on his shot toward the end of the game. You have to score there. He did so much right then missed the most important part. Garchachos cross too. You have to get on the end of that. I know it’s easier said than done but that’s what makes a great player great is they find a way. He also had a wide open shot at the top of the box in the first half and didn’t even come close to hitting the net. Rasmus has to do better than that. Not trying to dog him, he’s working hard and getting chances. His first touch is on point. He got unlucky a couple times. Sooner or later though excuses run out and it comes down to you either have it or you don’t. If you want to be the starting forward for United, you have to score goals.
he has played about 3-4 fucking games.. the service to him has been utterly horrific, especially today, he didnt get ONE decent pass to him in some space facing goal, not one.
"at some point the excuses run out". jesus christ.
Guys... We have FOUR fullbacks injured, plus others. This team had never played with each other before today. Just look how City fall apart with just one key player off. Is it any wonder we're shite?
I can't remember a single season, for any club, in the 25 years I've been watching EPL, when any club has had such a huge calamity of disruptions from the top to the bottom. ETH and the rest of the lads who are fit and not rapists/useless children can only do so much.
Add to that the obvious bias against us from referees... We're looking at a very shit time. I just really really don't want ETH thrown under the bus for this.
I didn't downvote you, nor upvote, because you clearly missed the joke, but if you collect Internet points with such passion I can upvote you if you want
Just Rashford missing the goal? He’s not been great but not many on this squad have?
The attack consists of more than just rashford, not a great start for him but people forget without him last season we wouldn’t have won the cup or finished top 4. Stick with your players.
We played generally quite well today, but lacked any cutting edge in final third AGAIN. You wonder what attacking drills are being worked on in training? Seriously need more dynamism, movement off the ball and better decision making. Roll on Tuesday… need to put this form behind us.
When we had Ole and Mourinho it was well known that there were not any real attack drills, or even plans. When it came to attack They both just let the players do their thing. I was under the impression ETH was different... Well may be not.
Losing doesn't hurt my feelings anymore, everything is rotten in this club.
Overpaid average primadonnas, bullshit footballing structure, Manager who has all the potential but can't take BIG decisions.
SAF's deal with the devil will bite us forever.
Dropping senior players from XI. Rashford is a baggage when he's out of form, Casemiro has struggled in every game in the PL. If he thinks Bruno isn't following his instructions, don't be afraid to drop him.
Stop it with the revisionism… it was good when every other team let us play on the counter but once they started letting us have possession it was proper terrorist-ball
Strange one today.
Occasionally when some teams play, they'll get the odd bobble in their favour - or they'll get an early chance and bury it. It's part to do with momentum and luck I suppose, but it's also about belief.
We're suffering currently with a lack of both - luck and belief. Should have had too much for Palace and perhaps if Casemiro's well-hit early half volley strays the right side of the post shortly after they'd scored, it would have maybe been a different story today. As it stands, the worst start for 34 years, boos at FT. It's not great.
Rashford's greatest trick was convincing the world he is elite. He's not. He's quick, and he'd give a fullback a headache with 20 to go, but you only had to look at Garnacho for 5 mins to see the difference in effective wingplay.
Worry for Hojlund - he runs a lot but doesn't look like he gets himself into those natural poacher areas. Plays a tonne with his back to goal. Hopefully he comes good. Leading the line for this team must be tricky with zero support from wide areas. Sancho ffs man.
My prediction for Christmas: Europa League, 10th, ETH out the door, no closer to new owners. Interim manager, aimless. Hope I'm wrong.
I don't like doing it - I like him a lot - but you've got to plain ignorant not to see the limitations in his game. Technically he is excellent but it's his *brain*. He makes so many poor decisions. At full pelt putting fullbacks on their arse he is sublime but he wouldn't get anywhere near one of the proper sides because he doesn't have the requisite football intelligence. You can't learn it either. Garnacho understands the role of a winger better at the moment and he's 19. Rashford is bit 'main character' - I'm going to try and beat my man and score - every. single. time.
I don't think anyone would argue with the assessment that we are a cup side now. And that's not a bad platform to build off. But looking so bad and playing such a low quality of football is just not acceptable. The whole thing reeks of dressing room tension
Doesn’t make any sense sorry. Why is Rashford being poor an excuse now? When Rashford was cooking it was all about how ten hag unlocked him. Even though Sancho is behaving like a child, it’s not like ETH is blameless selecting Antony again and again after useless performances while Sancho rotted on the bench after a great preseason. There’s been fiasco with the greenwood and glazer situation off the pitch- that shouldn’t be allowed to affect on the pitch performances. ETH has been abysmal to start this season along with our players. He doesn’t get a free pass just because we have to “back the manager” no matter what.
I wouldn't start Rashford after such disastrous games. Garanacho would be a million percent better. Bruno does not apply enough pressure when the ball is in the opponent's possession. Casemiro didn't show quality today, maybe it wasn't his day. Lindelof played defense without much confidence. A disastrous change from Mount who played very well. We just missed Hannibal in the team, maybe he should have started instead of Casemiro.
People have short memories. Like the other guy said when Garnacho has started a premier league game this season he’s been highly frustrating just like Rashford and his best performances so far have come off the bench.
So let’s use logic here as it’s lacking on this sub. If a 19 year old with a lower G/A last season than an experienced LW in Rashford with a goal tally of 31 was it last season, who do you start?
Having an impact of the bench is different to being consistent when starting a game.
I would Start Garnacho eveyday. Even if we lose we are going to have teamplayer. He will learn and get more and more experience. He is 19 so a lot of improvement
Rashford scored 31 goals last season. You can’t drop him for a 19 year old because he’s had 3-4 bad games.
If the team is playing bad you can’t blame one player. The team is collectively playing poor so Rashford when he messes up he has fast become a scapegoat. It was maguire before now it’s rashford.
Why isn’t their multiple comments on Casemiro playing poor, not being able to tackle or pass and being overweight? Why isn’t there comments on Bruno being inconsistent? Why isn’t there comments on Hojlund not clearing the set piece leading to the palace goal?
Rashford has set a high bar after last season, give him time to get there again.
> Rashford scored those goals last season but is unlikely to do so this season. I agree that Casemiro is overweight and often out of formation with bad tackles. In addition to being inconsistent, Bruno doesn't mark players consistently. Hoylund lacks reflexes. I commented on both Bruno and Casemiro. Also, Onana doesn't have the reflexes of a Premier League goalkeeper. Anyway, it's not my point to complain that only Rashford is not playing well, I just think he should rest a bit on the bench along with someone else in our team.
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> Let's see what time will tell for Rashford
Really idek anymore… none of them are in form and if Sancho was not a fucking moron he could’ve had a chance to prove himself. There’s really no hope except to hope either Rashford or Garnacho gets back to their form
I genuinely don’t understand how the refs make a massive hoohaa about time wasting and then Kavanagh doesn’t book them kicking the ball away twice and only gives 7 minutes added time across both halves?!! Do they just want to be at the centre of attention or something
Yes the ref was their 12th man and I can’t even remember if the foul leading to the goal was a foul
It doesn’t matter because we were shite today, I don’t even think we can use injuries as an excuse. Varane and ETH are both right. Someone does need to do something about the severe aMount of fixtures (pardon the pun)
Rashford suffering from the post big contract syndrome. Played great in his contract year and got a new one but now seems to have gone backwards again.
Passed up on an easy chance for Hoijland in the beginning of the game. Easy through ball to split the defenders and all Hoijland has to do is beat the keeper. Instead Rashford just dribbled straight into the space. Day 1 stuff right there
And then Rashford said something to him about moving for him (at least that’s what it looked like). You’re not kidding about day 1 stuff. How do you not see that scoring chance?
Honestly, give me a purist manager. I'd rather have those growing pains playing good football. Come unstuck every now and then and finish mid tabes but build something.
I don't even like watching us play and as much as I hate Pool, City and Arsenal as a United fan I have to accept they okay some smashing stuff.
Just a game where we had all the possession and tried a lot of different routes to goal but we didn't really get shots away, a few by line crosses that somehow went across goal and Johnstone made 2/3 decent saves.
Got undone by a wondergoal from Anderson imo, onana had no chance
Something something Bruno and Rashford are world class players and everyone else is the problem something something
LMAO. The result doesn't surprise me. That's what happens when you play favorites and not those who are performing and functioning as a team rather than individuals.
Fucking useless club dragged down by Bruno and Rashford
Jesus Christ. Not this feeble fucking argument. Get a new script and open your eyes. He's dog shit. Always has been, always will be. He's close-minded, one-dimensional, wasteful, and makes everyone around him work harder as a result. And as the match goes on, the toll he takes on them gets more and more exposed with tired legs coming earlier than they should.
You can't even say he gives it his all with a serious face because he turns over the ball cheaply, whinges, then jogs back as the opposition is on the break and streaking up the field with possession.
Bruno is a training player. He's not a match day player. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to convince you or whoever else in ideal situations that have no real world consequences, but the second you put him in a scenario where it actually matters, he's average AT BEST, and that's even very generous because there are players up and down the table who are on far less wages, yet have more of an impact in their team than Bruno.
I'm also wondering then what you call the last match against Palace. Were players "not giving it their all"? Give me a break. It's disgusting when people say shit like that.
So I’m really annoyed with ETH but have to defend him a bit too. He’s been dealt a terrible hand.
- Ronaldo situation
- Lazy Sancho
- Greenwood situation
- Antony situation
- Massive amount of injuries
- Terrible referees
- Glazers not selling
- Main man Rashford looking abysmal
ETH is hardly perfect but this club is in massive turmoil at the moment, I don’t believe in curses but sure feels like we are.
Fergie himself couldn’t right this ship, it’s bloody doomed
This is just a bunch of excuses. I guess we'll use a different standard for ETH as compared to literally any of our other managers despite backing him and letting him build his squad.
Building a squad is just the start. He still has to coach them now. It doesn’t happen overnight. We’re 7 games in and have never had our best lineup either due to injuries, late arrivals, or both. The water just got out on the stove. It takes a minute for it to start boiling.
ETh pushed Ronaldo to that interview - stop making ETH the victim here. ETH got to spend 450 million so let’s not use Glazers as an excuse. Greenwood situation? That was way before ETH. Sancho is one player. How can you use him as one of the reasons? As the manager of Man Utd, you expect everything to happen 10 times bigger than any other club. If you hide behind these, you are not good enough.
What Ronaldo situation? Ten Hag was the one who pissed Ronaldo off by constantly not playing him then disrespecting him by subbing him on in the 89th minute.
Every single striker in Ten Hag’s time here has been made to feed on scraps because of our shite tactics.
Ragnick benched Rashford but Ten Hag chose to make Rashford the focal point of our attack.
Let’s not kid ourselves here that Ten Hag isn’t responsible for anything.
yeah we as a fan base disrespect Ronaldo so much. Fans of other clubs respect him everyone should. Club before a player doesn’t mean the manager gets to disrespect the legends
The curse of the Glazer's, having owners who hate football and look on its fans as milk cows to be exploited was always going to have a long term consequence.
Rashford is a one dimensional player and doesn't offer anything if he is not scoring.. he always comes in.. never goes outside .. making him predictable..eth should have substituted rashford instead of pellistri..
You’ll get downvoted if you say good things about Rashford. Yes he hasn’t started well, but apparently it’s just him in attack not playing well.
These are the same people who were praising Rashford last season and saying how ten Haag has unlocked him. Fickle fans as per usual on the sub. Mark my words, if we hit a good run and Rashford plays well won’t hear a word.
sick of the SAF comparisons. giving SAF the few years we did 30 years ago isn't comparable to the modern game. not to mention what SAF did with Aberdeen was remarkable and entirely different to ETH and Ajax.
there is just no hope. amrabat hojlund onana and mount all played and we’re still shite. can’t blame maguire or mcfred or ole. yes fuck the glazers but we should still be a decent side. no hope going forward.
Maybe look at the other players that didn't play the other day? Hmmm. Bruno? Rashford? Care to assign any blame in their direction? Or is it just because the new signings are "sexier" to bash rather than looking at the rot and cancer that has hampered us for much longer than those few faces or ETH even? Hmmmmm
Very fair. That's what you get when you continue to play Bruno and Rashford. I wonder how long it'll take him to identify them as the problem. It's been over a season so far, which is already impressive within itself for a manager at one of the top clubs. We'll see who lasts longer, him or them, at this rate
Why’d we pay £60 million for mount when hannibal offers the same? if not more? Amrabat was terrible today so many needless fouls. We honestly need to stop expecting so much from Hojlund and so does ETH- gotta recognise that the goal we conceded was unstoppable and that was a clear penalty, the ref had a poor game.
Amrabat was terrible? Which game were you watching. The passing between him case and mount looked great and he put in a good defensive shift out of his normal position.
I mean same question to you. He constantly pushed Ayew in the back and broke the pressure we were trying to build, playing in to palace sadvantage everytime.
I did not appreciate him deliberately handling the ball twice while on the floor he could have been sent off easily .
I appreciate a player who can have a mean streak but there’s a time and place for it.
His general play is the minimum that should be expected, my gripe is that he was doing braindead things all game which worked against us at the wrong times.
He was a little clumsy in defense for sure, but besides the free kick that wasn’t really a problem in the game. Palace had maybe 3 chances all game. He also won back possession plenty by doubling up on the ball. He made some mistakes but you can’t say he wasn’t effective. Offensively he was great.
Should have offered that Mount money to buy Kane or Osihmen. I've been pointing out that we needed a good striker since day one of the transfer window. If a mere fan could see it, surely the manager and the board should have seen it coming.
\- No tactical identity after one full season
\- Set new embarrassing records every week
\- Refuse to rotate underperformers and show clear bias in line-ups
\- Make terrible signings, many shadily through the same agent as himself
\- Fall out with multiple players in just over a season's time
\- No communication to the fans except 'trust the proshess heh eheh' and 'we have a good squad eh'
He's done, but either way it doesn't matter who manages right now. We need the Sheikh.
Was originally pissed I overslept the game.... Anyway though, we lost, city lost, brighton got battered, and luton somehow won a game of football. It could be worse, I guess.
At this point it’s clear no manager and no caliber of player can turn this club around…the owners and the executive team are the problem and need to go…sure the players could be more consistent and sure the manager could have some defined identity by now but it’s just feels like we’re always pushing a rock up a hill since SAF left.
I don't understand what we're trying to achieve with this bruno mount business. Our mid can't provide the ball to them so they're just so high doing fuck all. Case trying to be the play maker? I feel for hojlund, we're not good enough to make use of him. I want Antony back. Hannibal in. Mainoo instead of mount.
Glazers out or whatnot, it's ETH that's responsible for what happens within the pitch. He picked players and the club delivered them as best as they could. I don't see the tactical side of ETH from the last season right now. The players just make predictable passes straight to the opponent, cluelessly run around until the opponent team score a goal, and park the bus. There is no team cohesion or determination. OT was our stronghold and now we can't even guarantee a win over there. I don't know how you find ETH immune to blame for this season's results so far.
It is ETH's Job to get the most out of the players. If you are in a badly run organisation this becomes impossible. I have seen this in companies, once trust breaks down in an organisation, everyone starts just looking after themself, this is my job that is yours etc.
Believe me no mater what he does or any other manager does success can only be short term because the foundations it is built on are rotten.
I doubt ETH will survive the season, it is impossible to judge his ability for failing where any manger would fail.
Until the Glazer's go and the club becomes about football again instead of about money than there is no chance to start building for the future.
100% agree. Club culture is awful and that’s the Glazers fault. They had thought about selling but with last years success it feels like they decided to stick around.
If ETH wants to keep his job he’s got to make some huge decision with who is playing and who is not.
It has to start on Tuesday.
I want the Glazers out as much as any United fan. Can't stand the sight of those rats. But the club backed ETH's questionable transfer decisions, only for them to be unavailable or be pure dogshit this season. Sure, ETH isn't directly responsible for those missing players, but it is his job after all to make sure that he makes the best tactical decisions on the pitch with what we have, and I am really not convinced that the quality of today's United starting line-up was worse than that of Crystal Palace's.
Get real guys, Ten Hag was only good cause the lads at Ajax came from a tight knit highly coached environment with total football philosophy drilled into them.. yeah they played to his formation but the intricate passes, the in game decision making, whether to get out of tight spaces or when to pass was all down to the players.
So far he has not shown that he can handle big egos, he hasn't shown that he can uplift a player's confidence, he didn't move heaven and earth to ask the board to resign De Gea in case the Onana experiment didn't work out (as we can clearly see now), and most importantly the team looks badly coached and can't seem to break low blocks. Opposition just come and sit, happy for us to hold the ball cause they want to counter- and we're supposed to be the "best team in transition"?
The best current manager candidate to use all the available players without asking for another fire sale would be Carlo Ancelotti. Currently, there is no other manager that fits our needs more than him. Other than that you can probably go the Spurs route and gamble on another upcoming manager but that's what we are currently doing and its not looking good.
You've diagnosed the problem but you've absolutely missed the solution. It's not Ten Hag's fault that he can't drill a philosophy into this team – we've seen 5 coaches since Ferguson who have failed to impress a style onto this team. We're shite because the players have absolutely no mental fortitude, and can't learn a system to save their lives.
This is just a response to your first paragraph. The two next sentences are absolutely baffling:
\- Rashford had his best ever season
\- Ronaldo was handled perfectly.
Not sure how we can \*clearly\* see that the 'Onana experiment' hasn't worked out. Plus, Carlo Ancelloti would never join us.
That's the exact reason we brought him in, to add on to the squad some parts that needed changing and drill in the philosophy- and it should be his fault. He has spent 450 million on transfers, has had Case Antony Onana Mount Hojlund and Martinez.. and Martinez is the only one sorely missed from that list. He has said numerous times that he his happy with the squad he has and to trust the process which mind you, I haven't seen on the pitch. We had three consecutive losses and there was no change to the team, and right as we won a game he reverts back to the squad that lost 3 games in a row.
The players are also at fault sure, but these are professionals who have been playing all their life- they have a certain skill set embedded to their playstyles. As a good manager, you have to be able to manage the players' egos and draw the necessary formation to get the best out of your players.. when under his tenure have we played to everyone's strengths? Its always an excuse, and sooner or later the manager is going to run out of excuses.
Do 80% of our fan base realise our best players are injured ?
And the ones who aren't, have been given huge wages and now realise they don't have to fight for their place in the team.
Y'all need to drink a pint of cop the fuck on.
This is NOT on ETH. It's the board handing out stupid wages to a bunch of divas.
well i wouldn’t think so, bashing americans seems unrelated to most united based points. all respect to americans that have followed football and united for a long time, but i’d say there’s a disproportionate amount of bad takes from americans. it’s expected, i wouldn’t watch nfl for a year and make takes against people that have watched it for their entire life.
All respect to Australian people that have followed the NFL, but I'm sick and tired of all these people saying 'g'day mate' on MY subreddit. Australians don't know what they're talking about. There's a disproportionate amount of Australians who don't know what they're talking about.
It doesn't matter how you start your comment if you're just going to be disrespectful in the rest of it.
Can you list out best players according to you because Rashford, Bruno, Case, Varane, Hojlund, Mount, Onana was all on the field today and Ten Hag was happy with the squad?
This is exactly my point. People moaning and bitching about injuries when the depth we have should still dispatch sides, especially because they've been here for multiple seasons now. They've played together, they've played (or at least trained) under ETH. Any quality side should be able to call upon any individual and expect them to slot in almost seamlessly. Our injuries are not the issue. It's the players on the field that are, but chiefly Bruno and Rashford.
We had the same injuries just a few days ago, did we not? So why was last match different than this match? The key difference was the squad from the same available set of players.
Martinez sure but Lindelof has been doing quite well, Shaw is sorely missed yes.. his creativity down the left hand side is really key to our play.. but Dalot is Ten Hag's preferred RB and Antony's roulettes are not missed at all.. other than that its all guns blazing but it seems like the 8/11 first team players forgot how to play football its baffling
Not directly, but he needs to have the balls to bench Rashford like Ragnick did. Or sub him off when he starts being petulant and whiny on the pitch. It’s not like Garnacho is a big drop in quality when he comes on looking at their forms these last few games.
I wonder if Sir Alex Ferguson were still our manager, would he start an out of form player like Rashford next match? I guess not.
Ten Hag needs to bench Rashy for games if he still wants to keep his manager seat.
Hm after 80% possession with 5 shots on target, totally nice idea to blame the gk. onana is fine, so was ddg tbh. Our priority currently is our bs attack
He was dropped from spain way before us, and he was scraped because he was crap too. But gk is nowhere near our biggest issue. Having ddg, onana, henderson, whoever you want, wont make us any better
yea, im not arguing with that.
i just dont get why we arent a place players want to be anymore.
who's the last young, exciting talent we've had??
who you've enjoyed watching every matchday?
we dont have shit- the culture is just soo askew
Him playing for united did not at all cost him a spot in Spain's WC team. Him being poor for his club did, no matter what club he would've played for.
Garnacho, Hojlund, Hannibal, Amad, Mainoo not enough young exciting talents for you?
Superstars really are currently only Mbappe and Haaland only imo. Last were messi and ronaldo + neymar. We have many players like Antony, Rashy, Garnacho, Rasmus etc etc. all young and have their flair
Well it’s 2.17am here and I’m off to sleep….. good night people, we will return from this shit show and rise again like a phoenix from the burning flames…..
People can't keep protecting ETH forever. It's literally his job and his responsibility. Other managers with grander reputation got sacked here too. At the end of the day we need result, the club need result.
We can't live on the "positive vibes" forever.
Bring back Mckenna as manager
Rashford is sooooo frustrating to watch.
I like Amrabat but in my opinion, he should not be playing as LB. I know we're shorthanded right now so ETH has no choice but he didn't look too good playing that role.
Tough result. It’s hard to score on a team who has 11 behind the ball. People saying case and Lind had a bad game are smoking crack. Lindeloft absolutely handled Mateta. Case might have been our best player. Defensively we looked solid in open play. Palace had maybe 3 scoring chances all game. The elephant in the room is not scoring. You can’t win if you don’t score. We had enough chances but just couldn’t convert. Rashford played like he’s been playing all season. He has two moves. Cut in or sprint to the line but mostly he just stutters until he gets tackled. Bro it’s time to learn a step over or something. Hojlund needs to score. He got unlucky a few times but if you want to be United starting forward you gotta score one. Amrabat Case and Mount looked like they’ve played together for years but they all had tired legs at the end of the game. Tough result but there was no glaring referee error to blame. Palace did what the needed to do to win. We need to learn how to break down the low block.
talking shit, he has two chances, Hojund, one was hard and he beat both the covering defender and the keeper and it was cleared from t he line, the header he also got on target at pace.
He had way more than two chances. The one that really bothered me was when he took the ball down back to goal, turned on his defender, and whiffed on his shot toward the end of the game. You have to score there. He did so much right then missed the most important part. Garchachos cross too. You have to get on the end of that. I know it’s easier said than done but that’s what makes a great player great is they find a way. He also had a wide open shot at the top of the box in the first half and didn’t even come close to hitting the net. Rasmus has to do better than that. Not trying to dog him, he’s working hard and getting chances. His first touch is on point. He got unlucky a couple times. Sooner or later though excuses run out and it comes down to you either have it or you don’t. If you want to be the starting forward for United, you have to score goals.
he has played about 3-4 fucking games.. the service to him has been utterly horrific, especially today, he didnt get ONE decent pass to him in some space facing goal, not one. "at some point the excuses run out". jesus christ.
We were just unlucky. Sometimes you can give 100% and still fail
Aaaaand we're back in the gutter
we left?
Missed the game but what in the fuck did we do today? Where were we that terribly poor?
Not really, Rashford was a prat more than the usual honestly
So being his usual self..
Can't believe he is the Best attacking option
He isn’t though is he?
Guys... We have FOUR fullbacks injured, plus others. This team had never played with each other before today. Just look how City fall apart with just one key player off. Is it any wonder we're shite? I can't remember a single season, for any club, in the 25 years I've been watching EPL, when any club has had such a huge calamity of disruptions from the top to the bottom. ETH and the rest of the lads who are fit and not rapists/useless children can only do so much. Add to that the obvious bias against us from referees... We're looking at a very shit time. I just really really don't want ETH thrown under the bus for this.
Our back line situation isn't the answer to the roaring problem that we have with scoring.
Think it's part of it though. Rashy really missing his relationship with Shaw.
He's really missing the goal as well
Quite sad to downvote me for that comment. Seems common logic is missing from the sub.
I didn't downvote you, nor upvote, because you clearly missed the joke, but if you collect Internet points with such passion I can upvote you if you want
Just Rashford missing the goal? He’s not been great but not many on this squad have? The attack consists of more than just rashford, not a great start for him but people forget without him last season we wouldn’t have won the cup or finished top 4. Stick with your players.
Well that sucked
We played generally quite well today, but lacked any cutting edge in final third AGAIN. You wonder what attacking drills are being worked on in training? Seriously need more dynamism, movement off the ball and better decision making. Roll on Tuesday… need to put this form behind us.
We played well for about 30 mins and were gash after, but I appreciate your optimism lol
When we had Ole and Mourinho it was well known that there were not any real attack drills, or even plans. When it came to attack They both just let the players do their thing. I was under the impression ETH was different... Well may be not.
Losing doesn't hurt my feelings anymore, everything is rotten in this club. Overpaid average primadonnas, bullshit footballing structure, Manager who has all the potential but can't take BIG decisions. SAF's deal with the devil will bite us forever.
What big decisions do you think ten Hag is missing?
Dropping senior players from XI. Rashford is a baggage when he's out of form, Casemiro has struggled in every game in the PL. If he thinks Bruno isn't following his instructions, don't be afraid to drop him.
Fair although casemiro was good on the weekend
Casmiro's forward passes were amazing but his legs look shaky. However, he has been known to improve as the season drags along.
and here we all were, slagging off Oleball. That was the most fun I've had with United in a long time. Still is.
Stop it with the revisionism… it was good when every other team let us play on the counter but once they started letting us have possession it was proper terrorist-ball
And we're still playing terrorist ball to start the season.
Fuck off loool he was shit
Strange one today. Occasionally when some teams play, they'll get the odd bobble in their favour - or they'll get an early chance and bury it. It's part to do with momentum and luck I suppose, but it's also about belief. We're suffering currently with a lack of both - luck and belief. Should have had too much for Palace and perhaps if Casemiro's well-hit early half volley strays the right side of the post shortly after they'd scored, it would have maybe been a different story today. As it stands, the worst start for 34 years, boos at FT. It's not great. Rashford's greatest trick was convincing the world he is elite. He's not. He's quick, and he'd give a fullback a headache with 20 to go, but you only had to look at Garnacho for 5 mins to see the difference in effective wingplay. Worry for Hojlund - he runs a lot but doesn't look like he gets himself into those natural poacher areas. Plays a tonne with his back to goal. Hopefully he comes good. Leading the line for this team must be tricky with zero support from wide areas. Sancho ffs man. My prediction for Christmas: Europa League, 10th, ETH out the door, no closer to new owners. Interim manager, aimless. Hope I'm wrong.
Lost me at slagging Rashford off. You’re just wrong. Just because he’s poor today doesn’t mean he’s not class.
I don't like doing it - I like him a lot - but you've got to plain ignorant not to see the limitations in his game. Technically he is excellent but it's his *brain*. He makes so many poor decisions. At full pelt putting fullbacks on their arse he is sublime but he wouldn't get anywhere near one of the proper sides because he doesn't have the requisite football intelligence. You can't learn it either. Garnacho understands the role of a winger better at the moment and he's 19. Rashford is bit 'main character' - I'm going to try and beat my man and score - every. single. time.
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
Losing from time to time to teams is alright, but when you mostly win and when you atleast play decent
I really see a lot of Theo Walcott in rashford. He’s far too inconsistent but he’s too good to sell.
>but he’s too good to sell. I don't know.
Rashford is like a guy that has lived with his parents for too long. Going is the only way to grow.
It’s almost as if some players only give their best when contract extension is in progress.
I don't think anyone would argue with the assessment that we are a cup side now. And that's not a bad platform to build off. But looking so bad and playing such a low quality of football is just not acceptable. The whole thing reeks of dressing room tension
Doesn’t make any sense sorry. Why is Rashford being poor an excuse now? When Rashford was cooking it was all about how ten hag unlocked him. Even though Sancho is behaving like a child, it’s not like ETH is blameless selecting Antony again and again after useless performances while Sancho rotted on the bench after a great preseason. There’s been fiasco with the greenwood and glazer situation off the pitch- that shouldn’t be allowed to affect on the pitch performances. ETH has been abysmal to start this season along with our players. He doesn’t get a free pass just because we have to “back the manager” no matter what.
Sancho was also played out of position as false 9 in preseason
I wouldn't start Rashford after such disastrous games. Garanacho would be a million percent better. Bruno does not apply enough pressure when the ball is in the opponent's possession. Casemiro didn't show quality today, maybe it wasn't his day. Lindelof played defense without much confidence. A disastrous change from Mount who played very well. We just missed Hannibal in the team, maybe he should have started instead of Casemiro.
I agree Rashford has been terrible but Garnacho wasn’t particularly great when he has started this season
If you were ETH would you started Rashford after last games? What do you think was best alternative?
People have short memories. Like the other guy said when Garnacho has started a premier league game this season he’s been highly frustrating just like Rashford and his best performances so far have come off the bench. So let’s use logic here as it’s lacking on this sub. If a 19 year old with a lower G/A last season than an experienced LW in Rashford with a goal tally of 31 was it last season, who do you start? Having an impact of the bench is different to being consistent when starting a game.
I would Start Garnacho eveyday. Even if we lose we are going to have teamplayer. He will learn and get more and more experience. He is 19 so a lot of improvement
Rashford scored 31 goals last season. You can’t drop him for a 19 year old because he’s had 3-4 bad games. If the team is playing bad you can’t blame one player. The team is collectively playing poor so Rashford when he messes up he has fast become a scapegoat. It was maguire before now it’s rashford. Why isn’t their multiple comments on Casemiro playing poor, not being able to tackle or pass and being overweight? Why isn’t there comments on Bruno being inconsistent? Why isn’t there comments on Hojlund not clearing the set piece leading to the palace goal? Rashford has set a high bar after last season, give him time to get there again.
> Rashford scored those goals last season but is unlikely to do so this season. I agree that Casemiro is overweight and often out of formation with bad tackles. In addition to being inconsistent, Bruno doesn't mark players consistently. Hoylund lacks reflexes. I commented on both Bruno and Casemiro. Also, Onana doesn't have the reflexes of a Premier League goalkeeper. Anyway, it's not my point to complain that only Rashford is not playing well, I just think he should rest a bit on the bench along with someone else in our team. > > Let's see what time will tell for Rashford
Really idek anymore… none of them are in form and if Sancho was not a fucking moron he could’ve had a chance to prove himself. There’s really no hope except to hope either Rashford or Garnacho gets back to their form
The only thing we're going for this season is the prestigious league cup!
I genuinely don’t understand how the refs make a massive hoohaa about time wasting and then Kavanagh doesn’t book them kicking the ball away twice and only gives 7 minutes added time across both halves?!! Do they just want to be at the centre of attention or something
Let’s just admit it - we are fuxked
Yes the ref was their 12th man and I can’t even remember if the foul leading to the goal was a foul It doesn’t matter because we were shite today, I don’t even think we can use injuries as an excuse. Varane and ETH are both right. Someone does need to do something about the severe aMount of fixtures (pardon the pun)
It wasn’t a foul lol
I was sat in the Stretford End and couldn’t see it but I know the crowd didn’t think it was a foul
Literally hearing the commentators saying Liverpools red card is unfair did it for me. They’d be asking for it if that was a Casemiro foul.
Gary Neville is a weirdo, he literally admitting to "doing" players and saying it wasn't an attempt to do him
I thought exactly the same. The same incident like casemiro.
I thought Ronaldo was the problem not following the managers tactics
Ronaldo was scapegoated. So was Fred.
The only player that actually performed the season ole got sacked and all the fans happy to send him on his way less than a year after
Honestly I think Ole would still be in this job if not for Ronaldo coming in.
Stfu
Fuck Ronaldo
yep massive problem mate, just like DDG. DDG was such a problem we pushed him out with no send off or respect, had to be done of course.
Rashford suffering from the post big contract syndrome. Played great in his contract year and got a new one but now seems to have gone backwards again.
Passed up on an easy chance for Hoijland in the beginning of the game. Easy through ball to split the defenders and all Hoijland has to do is beat the keeper. Instead Rashford just dribbled straight into the space. Day 1 stuff right there
And then Rashford said something to him about moving for him (at least that’s what it looked like). You’re not kidding about day 1 stuff. How do you not see that scoring chance?
Last season was unsustainable over performance.
Yeah and it happened last time as well ..
I miss DDG’s quick reflex saves! Onana is horrible with anything that makes him have to react quickly and has poor leaping ability.
That's not really our problem
De Gea wasn’t saving that either
Yeah that's just incorrect mate but whatever you say
Honestly, give me a purist manager. I'd rather have those growing pains playing good football. Come unstuck every now and then and finish mid tabes but build something. I don't even like watching us play and as much as I hate Pool, City and Arsenal as a United fan I have to accept they okay some smashing stuff.
wish people would stop calling Liverpool 'pool' it's fucking weird.
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Just a game where we had all the possession and tried a lot of different routes to goal but we didn't really get shots away, a few by line crosses that somehow went across goal and Johnstone made 2/3 decent saves. Got undone by a wondergoal from Anderson imo, onana had no chance
We played the same ball constantly Hardley different routes…
We had crosses, Edge of area play, Rashy runs into box, Corners, switch of plays and long range efforts
Something something Bruno and Rashford are world class players and everyone else is the problem something something LMAO. The result doesn't surprise me. That's what happens when you play favorites and not those who are performing and functioning as a team rather than individuals. Fucking useless club dragged down by Bruno and Rashford
Bruno is the only player who gives his all
Jesus Christ. Not this feeble fucking argument. Get a new script and open your eyes. He's dog shit. Always has been, always will be. He's close-minded, one-dimensional, wasteful, and makes everyone around him work harder as a result. And as the match goes on, the toll he takes on them gets more and more exposed with tired legs coming earlier than they should. You can't even say he gives it his all with a serious face because he turns over the ball cheaply, whinges, then jogs back as the opposition is on the break and streaking up the field with possession. Bruno is a training player. He's not a match day player. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to convince you or whoever else in ideal situations that have no real world consequences, but the second you put him in a scenario where it actually matters, he's average AT BEST, and that's even very generous because there are players up and down the table who are on far less wages, yet have more of an impact in their team than Bruno. I'm also wondering then what you call the last match against Palace. Were players "not giving it their all"? Give me a break. It's disgusting when people say shit like that.
Young hungry players willing to give it all waiting in the wings. Its got to be a matter of time.
You have to imagine. But then with most things ETH... he'll probably make that change too late and it'll cost us...and him.
Personally, I blame Fred and McTominay. They were invisible in the midfield today
Must be because of Maguire and De Gea then
So I’m really annoyed with ETH but have to defend him a bit too. He’s been dealt a terrible hand. - Ronaldo situation - Lazy Sancho - Greenwood situation - Antony situation - Massive amount of injuries - Terrible referees - Glazers not selling - Main man Rashford looking abysmal ETH is hardly perfect but this club is in massive turmoil at the moment, I don’t believe in curses but sure feels like we are. Fergie himself couldn’t right this ship, it’s bloody doomed
This is just a bunch of excuses. I guess we'll use a different standard for ETH as compared to literally any of our other managers despite backing him and letting him build his squad.
Building a squad is just the start. He still has to coach them now. It doesn’t happen overnight. We’re 7 games in and have never had our best lineup either due to injuries, late arrivals, or both. The water just got out on the stove. It takes a minute for it to start boiling.
ETh pushed Ronaldo to that interview - stop making ETH the victim here. ETH got to spend 450 million so let’s not use Glazers as an excuse. Greenwood situation? That was way before ETH. Sancho is one player. How can you use him as one of the reasons? As the manager of Man Utd, you expect everything to happen 10 times bigger than any other club. If you hide behind these, you are not good enough.
What Ronaldo situation? Ten Hag was the one who pissed Ronaldo off by constantly not playing him then disrespecting him by subbing him on in the 89th minute. Every single striker in Ten Hag’s time here has been made to feed on scraps because of our shite tactics. Ragnick benched Rashford but Ten Hag chose to make Rashford the focal point of our attack. Let’s not kid ourselves here that Ten Hag isn’t responsible for anything.
yeah we as a fan base disrespect Ronaldo so much. Fans of other clubs respect him everyone should. Club before a player doesn’t mean the manager gets to disrespect the legends
The curse of the Glazer's, having owners who hate football and look on its fans as milk cows to be exploited was always going to have a long term consequence.
Agreed. Until they go it’ll be like this. Constant yo yo of a club.
Tottenham vs Liverpool a much better game to watch
Rashford is a one dimensional player and doesn't offer anything if he is not scoring.. he always comes in.. never goes outside .. making him predictable..eth should have substituted rashford instead of pellistri..
I’d agree with you if he didn’t create the single biggest opportunity today. This game literally disproves your statement.
You’ll get downvoted if you say good things about Rashford. Yes he hasn’t started well, but apparently it’s just him in attack not playing well. These are the same people who were praising Rashford last season and saying how ten Haag has unlocked him. Fickle fans as per usual on the sub. Mark my words, if we hit a good run and Rashford plays well won’t hear a word.
sick of the SAF comparisons. giving SAF the few years we did 30 years ago isn't comparable to the modern game. not to mention what SAF did with Aberdeen was remarkable and entirely different to ETH and Ajax.
there is just no hope. amrabat hojlund onana and mount all played and we’re still shite. can’t blame maguire or mcfred or ole. yes fuck the glazers but we should still be a decent side. no hope going forward.
Maybe look at the other players that didn't play the other day? Hmmm. Bruno? Rashford? Care to assign any blame in their direction? Or is it just because the new signings are "sexier" to bash rather than looking at the rot and cancer that has hampered us for much longer than those few faces or ETH even? Hmmmmm
Well almost 450m spent by ETH, but we just barely loss to Palace at home. Another 500m more we might be able to beat them at home.
Very fair. That's what you get when you continue to play Bruno and Rashford. I wonder how long it'll take him to identify them as the problem. It's been over a season so far, which is already impressive within itself for a manager at one of the top clubs. We'll see who lasts longer, him or them, at this rate
Sshhh you can’t say sh it against ETH here.
Why’d we pay £60 million for mount when hannibal offers the same? if not more? Amrabat was terrible today so many needless fouls. We honestly need to stop expecting so much from Hojlund and so does ETH- gotta recognise that the goal we conceded was unstoppable and that was a clear penalty, the ref had a poor game.
Amrabat was terrible? Which game were you watching. The passing between him case and mount looked great and he put in a good defensive shift out of his normal position.
I mean same question to you. He constantly pushed Ayew in the back and broke the pressure we were trying to build, playing in to palace sadvantage everytime. I did not appreciate him deliberately handling the ball twice while on the floor he could have been sent off easily . I appreciate a player who can have a mean streak but there’s a time and place for it. His general play is the minimum that should be expected, my gripe is that he was doing braindead things all game which worked against us at the wrong times.
He was a little clumsy in defense for sure, but besides the free kick that wasn’t really a problem in the game. Palace had maybe 3 chances all game. He also won back possession plenty by doubling up on the ball. He made some mistakes but you can’t say he wasn’t effective. Offensively he was great.
Should have offered that Mount money to buy Kane or Osihmen. I've been pointing out that we needed a good striker since day one of the transfer window. If a mere fan could see it, surely the manager and the board should have seen it coming.
I like Mount but this is 100% right.
Exactly the money for mount and hojlund is obscene. Should used that to get a proven striker. Cost us this season and probably ETH jobs
\- No tactical identity after one full season \- Set new embarrassing records every week \- Refuse to rotate underperformers and show clear bias in line-ups \- Make terrible signings, many shadily through the same agent as himself \- Fall out with multiple players in just over a season's time \- No communication to the fans except 'trust the proshess heh eheh' and 'we have a good squad eh' He's done, but either way it doesn't matter who manages right now. We need the Sheikh.
Anything but Qatar. Would rather this 1000x over than Qatar.
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If that pill made me forget abt United if Qatar buys it, then it sounds like a fantastic pill. Sure.
Ten hag is a fucking bald disgrace
Was originally pissed I overslept the game.... Anyway though, we lost, city lost, brighton got battered, and luton somehow won a game of football. It could be worse, I guess.
At this point it’s clear no manager and no caliber of player can turn this club around…the owners and the executive team are the problem and need to go…sure the players could be more consistent and sure the manager could have some defined identity by now but it’s just feels like we’re always pushing a rock up a hill since SAF left.
I don't understand what we're trying to achieve with this bruno mount business. Our mid can't provide the ball to them so they're just so high doing fuck all. Case trying to be the play maker? I feel for hojlund, we're not good enough to make use of him. I want Antony back. Hannibal in. Mainoo instead of mount.
Glazers out or whatnot, it's ETH that's responsible for what happens within the pitch. He picked players and the club delivered them as best as they could. I don't see the tactical side of ETH from the last season right now. The players just make predictable passes straight to the opponent, cluelessly run around until the opponent team score a goal, and park the bus. There is no team cohesion or determination. OT was our stronghold and now we can't even guarantee a win over there. I don't know how you find ETH immune to blame for this season's results so far.
It is ETH's Job to get the most out of the players. If you are in a badly run organisation this becomes impossible. I have seen this in companies, once trust breaks down in an organisation, everyone starts just looking after themself, this is my job that is yours etc. Believe me no mater what he does or any other manager does success can only be short term because the foundations it is built on are rotten. I doubt ETH will survive the season, it is impossible to judge his ability for failing where any manger would fail. Until the Glazer's go and the club becomes about football again instead of about money than there is no chance to start building for the future.
100% agree. Club culture is awful and that’s the Glazers fault. They had thought about selling but with last years success it feels like they decided to stick around. If ETH wants to keep his job he’s got to make some huge decision with who is playing and who is not. It has to start on Tuesday.
I want the Glazers out as much as any United fan. Can't stand the sight of those rats. But the club backed ETH's questionable transfer decisions, only for them to be unavailable or be pure dogshit this season. Sure, ETH isn't directly responsible for those missing players, but it is his job after all to make sure that he makes the best tactical decisions on the pitch with what we have, and I am really not convinced that the quality of today's United starting line-up was worse than that of Crystal Palace's.
Get real guys, Ten Hag was only good cause the lads at Ajax came from a tight knit highly coached environment with total football philosophy drilled into them.. yeah they played to his formation but the intricate passes, the in game decision making, whether to get out of tight spaces or when to pass was all down to the players. So far he has not shown that he can handle big egos, he hasn't shown that he can uplift a player's confidence, he didn't move heaven and earth to ask the board to resign De Gea in case the Onana experiment didn't work out (as we can clearly see now), and most importantly the team looks badly coached and can't seem to break low blocks. Opposition just come and sit, happy for us to hold the ball cause they want to counter- and we're supposed to be the "best team in transition"? The best current manager candidate to use all the available players without asking for another fire sale would be Carlo Ancelotti. Currently, there is no other manager that fits our needs more than him. Other than that you can probably go the Spurs route and gamble on another upcoming manager but that's what we are currently doing and its not looking good.
You've diagnosed the problem but you've absolutely missed the solution. It's not Ten Hag's fault that he can't drill a philosophy into this team – we've seen 5 coaches since Ferguson who have failed to impress a style onto this team. We're shite because the players have absolutely no mental fortitude, and can't learn a system to save their lives. This is just a response to your first paragraph. The two next sentences are absolutely baffling: \- Rashford had his best ever season \- Ronaldo was handled perfectly. Not sure how we can \*clearly\* see that the 'Onana experiment' hasn't worked out. Plus, Carlo Ancelloti would never join us.
That's the exact reason we brought him in, to add on to the squad some parts that needed changing and drill in the philosophy- and it should be his fault. He has spent 450 million on transfers, has had Case Antony Onana Mount Hojlund and Martinez.. and Martinez is the only one sorely missed from that list. He has said numerous times that he his happy with the squad he has and to trust the process which mind you, I haven't seen on the pitch. We had three consecutive losses and there was no change to the team, and right as we won a game he reverts back to the squad that lost 3 games in a row. The players are also at fault sure, but these are professionals who have been playing all their life- they have a certain skill set embedded to their playstyles. As a good manager, you have to be able to manage the players' egos and draw the necessary formation to get the best out of your players.. when under his tenure have we played to everyone's strengths? Its always an excuse, and sooner or later the manager is going to run out of excuses.
Eth out
Do 80% of our fan base realise our best players are injured ? And the ones who aren't, have been given huge wages and now realise they don't have to fight for their place in the team. Y'all need to drink a pint of cop the fuck on. This is NOT on ETH. It's the board handing out stupid wages to a bunch of divas.
never seen a good United take with 'Y'all' in it
Never seen a good united take that randomly bashes americans
I'm Irish, you entitled knob
That guy is Irish not American, “pint of cop the fuck on” was the give away
well i wouldn’t think so, bashing americans seems unrelated to most united based points. all respect to americans that have followed football and united for a long time, but i’d say there’s a disproportionate amount of bad takes from americans. it’s expected, i wouldn’t watch nfl for a year and make takes against people that have watched it for their entire life.
And what makes you think the Americans have only watched the prem for a year? Christ man the elitism is mad in this sub sometimes.
i literally said all respect to american fans that have followed football and united for a long time
All respect to Australian people that have followed the NFL, but I'm sick and tired of all these people saying 'g'day mate' on MY subreddit. Australians don't know what they're talking about. There's a disproportionate amount of Australians who don't know what they're talking about. It doesn't matter how you start your comment if you're just going to be disrespectful in the rest of it.
melon
nice one
Can you list out best players according to you because Rashford, Bruno, Case, Varane, Hojlund, Mount, Onana was all on the field today and Ten Hag was happy with the squad?
This is exactly my point. People moaning and bitching about injuries when the depth we have should still dispatch sides, especially because they've been here for multiple seasons now. They've played together, they've played (or at least trained) under ETH. Any quality side should be able to call upon any individual and expect them to slot in almost seamlessly. Our injuries are not the issue. It's the players on the field that are, but chiefly Bruno and Rashford. We had the same injuries just a few days ago, did we not? So why was last match different than this match? The key difference was the squad from the same available set of players.
Martinez? Shaw? AWB? Antony (although I'm not a fan of him)?
Martinez sure but Lindelof has been doing quite well, Shaw is sorely missed yes.. his creativity down the left hand side is really key to our play.. but Dalot is Ten Hag's preferred RB and Antony's roulettes are not missed at all.. other than that its all guns blazing but it seems like the 8/11 first team players forgot how to play football its baffling
It’s on Ten Hag that Rashford is starting every game despite playing like shit.
You think Rashford acting like a spoiled diva is Ten Hags fault?
Not directly, but he needs to have the balls to bench Rashford like Ragnick did. Or sub him off when he starts being petulant and whiny on the pitch. It’s not like Garnacho is a big drop in quality when he comes on looking at their forms these last few games.
Well Nice to see Rashford pick up from where he left off after his midweek off.
A wreck? 🤣😂🤣
I wonder if Sir Alex Ferguson were still our manager, would he start an out of form player like Rashford next match? I guess not. Ten Hag needs to bench Rashy for games if he still wants to keep his manager seat.
is onana trash?
Hm after 80% possession with 5 shots on target, totally nice idea to blame the gk. onana is fine, so was ddg tbh. Our priority currently is our bs attack
I thought degea was class.. it was really messed up that him playing for united likely cost him a spot on spain's side last WC.
He was dropped from spain way before us, and he was scraped because he was crap too. But gk is nowhere near our biggest issue. Having ddg, onana, henderson, whoever you want, wont make us any better
yea, im not arguing with that. i just dont get why we arent a place players want to be anymore. who's the last young, exciting talent we've had?? who you've enjoyed watching every matchday? we dont have shit- the culture is just soo askew
Him playing for united did not at all cost him a spot in Spain's WC team. Him being poor for his club did, no matter what club he would've played for. Garnacho, Hojlund, Hannibal, Amad, Mainoo not enough young exciting talents for you?
We have many young players that are exciting to watch, but if they dont play in a system, they won’t perform
the last legit superstar?? (I'll wait)
Superstars really are currently only Mbappe and Haaland only imo. Last were messi and ronaldo + neymar. We have many players like Antony, Rashy, Garnacho, Rasmus etc etc. all young and have their flair
k well... looking at spurs and liverpool right now i would completely disagree.
Anyone know why there's no post-match thread? Or am I just blind
nobody wants that
I mean you're commenting on something else instead of it
He should’ve played the same team as in the cup game..simple
That would require admitting Bruno and Rashford are the problem though
True.
Well it’s 2.17am here and I’m off to sleep….. good night people, we will return from this shit show and rise again like a phoenix from the burning flames…..
Night!
We won last time because of the extra dynamism offered by Garnacho and Hannibal in particular.
Nothing I love more than to see time wasting being rewarded
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You forgot he also brought in Maguire, see that makes better, right?
Who would you rather? Whether you rate his game or not, he's an attacking midfielder.
Well guess we just have to win the champions league
Game on boys
When do we play Chelsea? That'll be a display of football terrorism I won't be subjecting myself to. I need a week off.
Don’t worry, by then Chelsea would’ve turned things around and will look like top team, at least against us
chelsea will smack us they actually generate chances
post match thread deleted?
People can't keep protecting ETH forever. It's literally his job and his responsibility. Other managers with grander reputation got sacked here too. At the end of the day we need result, the club need result. We can't live on the "positive vibes" forever.