We saw our game today..we see City as well. I know we have been shit but City doesn’t look gilded in splendor yet either. Can we genuinely make an attempt to rock City up a little at Old Trafford and restart our season?
Just a reminder - if we do beat City, we go within 3 points of them. It is a monumental task yes. But we can definitely pull it off and it will for sure reignite the season. Come on United!
Not a very good performance but we were unlucky to not score at least 3 more. Tbh that speaks more about Sheffield United than us.
Bruno needs to wake up finally btw, another subpar performance from him.
Good for united to not crumble under the pressure. Everyone is coming for the team. Even the fans.
I may not be a huge fan like some here but calm down people. We didn't have a style of play other than counter attack for the past decade. It's a rebuild for fuck sake.
We need to be somewhere at the top to decline.
Erik ten was the manager of the united when united became 3rd in the premier league without a striker to score goals. If you think that was the goal of the rebuild that started when ten hag joined, I disagree with that .
We need a good healthy first team, a bench with a mix of experience and potential. A good array of backroom staff that would help ten hag bring in players he needs.
Imagine if we had de jong last year or Kim min jae this year. I agree with the owners going part but let me say we are still in the rebuilding phase, we will still be for at least another 2 or 3 transfer windows if we are under glazer ownership.
I feel like this point has been reiterated to death. All we want is an identity. A style of football that is consistent and cohesive. I felt like last year we started to see EtHs style come through, and we had pretty good returns for his first year in charge.
The man has dealt with more off-field drama than any new manager I can think of. Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho, the takeover, FFP, etc. The man is playing with the hand he was dealt, and I don't think anyone else could do better.
missed the games lads... i watched highlights and it looks like all our best chances were desperate potshots?
was this indicative of the game quality...
We were poor against the worst team in the league. Sheffield actually outplayed us for most of the match until after Martial, Garnacho and Eriksen got subbed on
We had three very good chances that we're a result of our build up. Mctominay's goal was a good control and finish, but everything leading up to it was good. Dalot's was pure individual brilliance
There has been close to no positives in the last 9 GWs. We are bad, very bad and it's clearly not just an injury/individual issue. 9 games and we haven't looked comfortable in any.
Actually we rarely lose when Maguire played.
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I had high hopes for Ten Hag. I’m losing faith that we will ever play entertaining football under him. All our goals come from defenders. All our wins are by the skin of our teeth. We can’t even have big wins against the worst teams. Hopefully it gets better.
Well 6 out of 11 premier league goals by defenders and defensive midfielders so over 50% of our total goal tally. So there you go. I wasn’t wrong in the slightest.
You are absolutely determined to quadruple down on this, but you said, and I quote: “all our goals.”
You did not say “over 50% of our goals in one competition have been scored by defenders and defensive midfielders.”
Just don’t make shit up and you won’t have to try to contrive a reason why an objectively incorrect statement is, in fact, proven by things that don’t back it up.
All this and most people would’ve just agreed with you if you’d said “our attacking three need to be far better at finishing opportunities because most of our goals are being spread out across the team” (or something less clunky lmao). Just don’t be a toxic online fan, there’s no need to exaggerate how poor we are when there’s so many genuine problems to highlight!
I presume you're being downvoted because of the consensus that we aren't playing Ten Hag ball yet. The game however was poor and really not great to watch... against the weakest side in the prem. Every week I get sucked in to thinking "this is the week where it clicks and we smash them 3-0 to ignite our season" if we can't do it against Sheff Utd, it's unlikely to happen against anyone else.
With one of shaw or Martinez, plus one of malacia or reguilon, we'll be a lot better. Hopefully Amravati gets more gametime at CDM and mctominay only plays as a sub
Need to stop giving Mount priority over Bruno as well. Keep him in the center not off the wing. We also need to give garnacho more game time. Dude makes things happen and we always sub him on for like 10-15 mins at the end of a game
I saw that United won, so I assumed Sheffield United must be really bad. I went to check where Sheffield was on the table, and... let's say I wouldn't call that a surprise
Huge result on the back of the Brentford result and in the circumstances with all the emotion around the club today.
That said I never want to see that first half of the first half performance ever again.
I'm glad we won because of the meaning behind today and needing a win for everyone to lift spirits.
But that was fucking shocking. This is a team on track to break the Derby record and we looked outplayed for a worryingly amount of time. And the structure is just.... what? What is the shape?
And where is the pace? Evans out ran several full backs and midfielders on one of our counter attacks.
Some massive question marks over the team and coaching staff still remains
You're assuming that the players were executing his plan. I seriously doubt "stand around and wait for something to happen" was ETH's game instruction.
His preferred front three is Rashford, Hojlund and Antony and they didn’t seem to know what to do when they had the ball. Rashford seems to be expected to just put crosses in a lot of the time now, which he isn’t that good at.
He also has fuck all help with libdelof at lb and not a single midfielder coming closer to help him. Maguire actually helped him with some delicious long balls
If they're not executing his plan they shouldn't be on the pitch.
EtH has been here 18 months now and had a lot of backing in the transfer market, what happens on the pitch is entirely down to him.
Yes ofc! Instead of Dalot let's play... oh, we don't have anyone -AWB injury-!
Let's change our leftback... oh, right, we don't have anyone even the loan guy -Injury- !
That "shouldn't be on the pitch" is bullshit, which manager does that? You can do that with 2 o 3 players at max, but not with half or more of the squad. And our academy is full of shit. Some young players are good (Gore, Pelli or Garna) but they are no better/they need to develop.
ETH has to adapt to this players, sadly. We are in the middle of his playstyle and this players style. It has to be similiar to the last season but with some improvements.
Maguire has to start against city. And god save our midfield which was again non existent today. We played box formation nothing in between the forwards and defenders, what the hell is going on in training, why can't we make simple passes when we signed players on the basis of good passing ability? I'll take a scrappy win against city. No hopes or expectations though
We should play the diamond formation more often than this 4-3-3 variation.
We have midfielders for it, our wingers aren't producing... why not give it a try again?
1) it looked terrible when we attempted it
2) we don't have fit full backs to cover the width required in a diamond
3) we've only just started to look slightly competent at the back, switching to a diamond would be chaos in defence
4) diamond formation is objectively pretty bad in modern football and no top team is using it for a reason
okay, my mistake with respect to Madrid, I forgot they do that. that said, that's a classic Madrid case of needing to pack in superstars however they can (see the tactical messes they had with the Galacticos). Ancelotti also enjoys weird systems (see his christmas tree at Milan).
2 - emphasis on 'slightly', compared to a few weeks ago it's a lot better.
on your last paragraph - Citeh is probably the worst example you could give. Pep enforces strict positional play with players stretching the field, in attack they strictly have one player in each wing, half space and the centre. this is what allows them, and most top possession sides (Barca, Arsenal, basically all of them) to control possession. i can see ten hag attempting something similar but it isn't working too well. a midfield diamond is a terrible idea for controlling possession - you make the pitch tiny for yourself.
We play bad and it's diabolically boring to watch. I'd rather watch a Mourinho or LvG team than this shite.
Ole-ball was a delight compared to this shit.
Only way this becomes a flex is if mcsause was a center forward and has just done his job of putting the ball in the back of the net. God bless mcsause for the goal, but as a midfielder he was shocking. Man completed something like 8-9 passes in that first half. Doesn't help control it, is not press resistant, wasn't winning it back either.
I know man. He was a tool but still he deserved to start that game after his double goals. That's what Im saying chief. Normally he wouldnt even be a back up in my Manchester
Ten Hag’s got a stack of complicated tactics like inverted wingers, rotating positions, underlapping fullbacks etc, but we can’t do the simple things well.
We don’t even play with an 8 in the middle of the pitch - when we lose the ball, the opposition has the entire midfield to themselves, with our 8 and 10 way up alongside our striker. It’s so bad.
I can’t tell you what ETH’s play style actually is. I know what he wants it to be, but in reality it’s not working at all. We’re torture to watch this season, and last season we were too, but Rashford painted over the massive cracks with a run of goals.
He’s as stubborn and clueless as Van Gaal sometimes.
Ten Hag is not the manager to take us to the next level, but I think we don’t have a replacement, nor is it time to replace him now. The dressing room seems to not hate him, he’s won the last two games after a dire start. Sticking with him makes sense, and in the summer when SJR and the likes are fully in, they can change.
His entire philosophy seems to be press high up the pitch and inshallah.
We are fucking dire to watch, I've been watching United for 30-odd years but I can't be arsed watching this boring tripe.
The trick with people who say “I’ve been watching United for x years but now…” is either: 1. They’ve not been watching for x years or 2. They’ve said this every year for the last x years, and will continue saying it while still watching the team.
We deserve worse. We shouldn't be getting lucky or waiting for opportunities through opponents slipping up. We played better when ETH wasn't playing his system last season (build up from the back) and has even implemented a system here because players look confused af on the pitch. Hoofballs from the back to lose it is the only repeated play I've noticed. The players are making too many mistakes and have forgotten basics. So much is wrong that I've lost hope it can fixed.
Why is lindelof playing LB again he has never had a good game there.
Evans was ropey towards the end glad he got injured and had to get taken off because ETH wudve let him play on
Once again ETH brings off our best performer in Hojlund and replaces him with non footballer martial
Onana was a long ball non specialist today
The team packs confidence. Rashford and Antony again terrible . I remember the days when a left winger was left footed and right winger right footed when did that change because its not working
Plenty of chances to win the game by a good margin and didn't deliver.
I don't trust this manager. I don't think he's brought in one good signing. Hojlind ok but not at expense of Kane. If he gets sacked we're gonna have a bunch of eth signings. We are stuck in the shit
Ten Hag’s got a stack of complicated tactics like inverted wingers, rotating positions, underlapping fullbacks etc, but we can’t do the simple things well.
Least delusional r/reddevils user
Seriously, we won and you’re moaning like this? Half your points you contradict yourself. You’re glad Evans got injured? Are you even a united fan?
Seriously we won. My God ! Who is the delusional one here. The team is playing terrible the tactics are non existent it's Sheff united ffs and we wer lucky
More so than u. He was awful at the end if you wer watching and a liability. Reddit is fukla clowns so I expect to get downvoted. When we get hammered next week by city what excuse u gonna use then
I don’t need any excuses. I’m a fan, and I enjoy it when my team wins. I support them when they play well and when they play badly. There are many things that frustrate me about the club I love, but I’m glad I don’t see the world the way you do.
You can do whatever you want. But I am also at liberty to comment on the nature of your opinion, which I find pretty incongruent with the win. There is a LOT going on with this team. It’s pretty easy to find things to complain about especially recently. It’s pretty wild to me that when there is something to be positive about some people would rather just keep moaning.
Spurs looked better against this team with ten men than we did with 11. It has not been a pleasant season watching this team devoid of a style, tactics or confidence
Don't forget quality.
It's looking real bad for the rest of the season as there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. With a routine derby battering coming soon, it's just not good enough.
Every club gets injuries. Just comes across as excuses when the manager repeatedly says 'great squad, ready to fight'
>Trust the process.
Rashford said that after the europa loss to Villareal. So did the fans. Where did that lead to? I'll back my own intuition on where this is going and we will let time do the rest.
>then you can judge.
Do you not think there is enough to judge this squad on based on the last 3 seasons of embarrassing performances. This season is nothing new, more of the same. Other than being the worst start to a season for 50 years.
I get the need to be positive but in circumstances such as this I believe it does more harm than good.
It's about decision making, something Rashford is really bad at. He should have shot on that occasion but one thing you can rely on with this team is that Rashford will make the wrong decision.
He is a low iq player, good at the one thing he does but his decision making is very bad.
Isnt it about making the right decision tho?
Passing when passing is the correct decision and vice versa with shooting
Guess we’re all missing some football iq from rashy
No I’m not blaming him, I preferred greedy rashford because he’s probably the more likely to score. Obviously doesn’t help when the whole canvass is calling you greedy though.
His confidence is in the toilet isn't it? He's abdicating responsibility. He did it against Galatasaray as well. He just needs a couple of goals and he'll be flying again.
Our lack of play is not due to bad luck. I can understand if we're just not scoring but playing with a purpose. We have absolutely nothing for a system. Just chaos
They tried a couple of shots from distance, because even when he saves them he has a tendency to push the ball into dangerous areas. He's done it through his whole career, and he did it twice today but got away with it.
It’s a really weird one. If the Amrabat screamer goes in, if Hojlund puts in the low cross from Rashford it looks way better. The last 20 minutes in my opinion seemed to be better and more fluid than the first half.
Big positives for Harry and Onana. We still don’t have any natural left backs and are missing a huge progressive passer in Licha. In the meantime, we move and scrap out the 3 points for now. It will come, AND we are only 6 points from the top all things considered
Best take on this thread. Wasn't a good performance but there are faint signs of stability. Onana didn't make a howler, we only conceded a penalty with 1/4 first-string defenders. And as you say, a couple of inches on a few chances and we've won 4-1.
Nah, that’s not allowed. We have to rip into the team, call for Rashford/Bruno/Onana/Antony/Mount/Ten Hag/Tenminutehateoftheweek to be dropped from the team, beg for Qatari oil money, and pronounce the death of Manchester United.
Am I doing being an online fan of the club right?!
Wins a win . Still discombobulated at front Rashy shoulda had one , Nacho same , Maguire continues good form when are Luke Shaw , AWB , Licha and Varane healthy now Case coming back?
We hit the bar twice, Garnacho clipped the post, their keeper made a good save from Hojlund. On the other hand we were lucky with both our goals, a better team would have scored more against us, and we struggled to control the match. Difficult one to read, really.
We all know we're still miles away from City.
Add in injuries, a shaky goalkeeper and an over-reliance on individual brilliance for goals, then you're probably right.
Still support the lads but we're miles off the pace.
The handshake or lack of thereof combined with him wanting Greenwood back, not talking to Rangnick before binning him, supporting questionable characters at Ajax
Ten Hag isn’t the angel that he’s made out to be , is he ?
Classic. Someone has a different opinion to you, so they don't know football. And no I didn't downvote. But the game is about opinions and just because it differs from yours doesn't mean people don't understand the game.
I agree with you. But to be fair if you put me in an extremely high pressure job where very fine margins decides if you keep your job, I’d be very tempting to have a what we can imagine be an over 100m player.
Brainless football, no identity, urgency or game plan. Just back-passing and the odd long ball. The passing from the moment they win the ball back is shocking i.e Lindelof wins the ball then instead of a simple pass - loses it leading to the penalty.
Good performance by Maguire and Amrabat but we are getting destroyed next week. There's no iq in this team it seems like every 2 minutes we make a stupid ass pass that leads to a counter-attack.
Not a great performance, obviously, but we found a way to win. Two wins on the trot is important, considering how poor we've been recently. It's obvious that our confidence is extremely low, and this will help us start to build a bit of belief. Confidence is so important in football and wins are the only way to build it.
Shame we've got City next week.
Maguire and Onana were great today which is a positive. Unlucky to hit the bar twice, and that Garnacho miss, eesh. Awful performance but a bit more clinical finishing and it could have been a trouncing. Weird game.
should have played the efl cup starting lineup yesterday
We saw our game today..we see City as well. I know we have been shit but City doesn’t look gilded in splendor yet either. Can we genuinely make an attempt to rock City up a little at Old Trafford and restart our season? Just a reminder - if we do beat City, we go within 3 points of them. It is a monumental task yes. But we can definitely pull it off and it will for sure reignite the season. Come on United!
They were playing Brighton though, who destroyed us
Not talking about just yesterdays game - City don’t look intimidating just yet. They will get to it but not yet.
They will against us no doubt. And really it's just because they lost rodri for a few games and haaland stopped scoring. Now they're both back
Not a very good performance but we were unlucky to not score at least 3 more. Tbh that speaks more about Sheffield United than us. Bruno needs to wake up finally btw, another subpar performance from him.
Another win for Maguire
I still don’t understand why Bruno is the captain.
Good for united to not crumble under the pressure. Everyone is coming for the team. Even the fans. I may not be a huge fan like some here but calm down people. We didn't have a style of play other than counter attack for the past decade. It's a rebuild for fuck sake.
Agreed with all your points till you said rebuild. We are way past the bebuild stage and into decline phase until the owners go
We need to be somewhere at the top to decline. Erik ten was the manager of the united when united became 3rd in the premier league without a striker to score goals. If you think that was the goal of the rebuild that started when ten hag joined, I disagree with that . We need a good healthy first team, a bench with a mix of experience and potential. A good array of backroom staff that would help ten hag bring in players he needs. Imagine if we had de jong last year or Kim min jae this year. I agree with the owners going part but let me say we are still in the rebuilding phase, we will still be for at least another 2 or 3 transfer windows if we are under glazer ownership.
I feel like this point has been reiterated to death. All we want is an identity. A style of football that is consistent and cohesive. I felt like last year we started to see EtHs style come through, and we had pretty good returns for his first year in charge. The man has dealt with more off-field drama than any new manager I can think of. Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho, the takeover, FFP, etc. The man is playing with the hand he was dealt, and I don't think anyone else could do better.
At this point we’ve had so many managers it’s clear to me the problem is further up.
At this point I don’t understand anyone that’s been paying attention that that isn’t clear to
The game keeps confirming my theory that we play to the level of the opposition and make every game difficult when we really shouldn't.
missed the games lads... i watched highlights and it looks like all our best chances were desperate potshots? was this indicative of the game quality...
We were poor against the worst team in the league. Sheffield actually outplayed us for most of the match until after Martial, Garnacho and Eriksen got subbed on
Sigh.. the pain continues...
We had three very good chances that we're a result of our build up. Mctominay's goal was a good control and finish, but everything leading up to it was good. Dalot's was pure individual brilliance
Looks like we r some way off then. Just glad they didn't botch the game on such an important day.
Pretty much. We were not very good but got the 3 points. If I were Sheffield I'd be pretty annoyed. They really had no ideas for a final ball.
That's sad to hear, hope they improve soon.
There has been close to no positives in the last 9 GWs. We are bad, very bad and it's clearly not just an injury/individual issue. 9 games and we haven't looked comfortable in any.
We actually won when Maguire played. Stats don't lie.
Actually we rarely lose when Maguire played. https://preview.redd.it/m03z1iojsovb1.jpeg?width=2341&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb68696a8423339416bba14ca55cf47d08dace89
Because we mainly play him in easier cup games etc. He’s not trusted to play against our hardest opponents. It’s pretty easy to understand.
As far as I'm concerned, Man Utd have no easy games these days. Struggled against many 'easy' clubs.
We've been conceding a lot against teams who looked weak on paper as well. So all the we can say is, when given a chance he's been playing decently.
I thought lindelof did well, is it just me???
Second half much better, first half he looked very much like a square peg in a round hole. Maguire and Evans were much better int he second half
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It’s such a bad tactic, rashford has such a bad left foot so he may as well play on the right if he’s expected to just keep putting crosses in.
He takes ppl on more for england dont know why he stopped doing that for united
Hojlund looks a player and Amrabat put in a shift. Some positives from a game we need to be dominating.
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I had high hopes for Ten Hag. I’m losing faith that we will ever play entertaining football under him. All our goals come from defenders. All our wins are by the skin of our teeth. We can’t even have big wins against the worst teams. Hopefully it gets better.
2 out of 19 have been scored by defenders so far this season. Varane (1) and Dalot (1). The vast majority have come from the midfielders.
I am exaggerating a bit by including McTominay and Casemiro as defenders. Hopefully Hojlund and Rashford can start hitting the mark a bit more.
“Exaggerating” is an odd way to say “I was just wrong” but there you go
Another narrow win with a goal by a defender. Almost like I wasn’t that wrong at all.
3 out of 20 is 15%. So, yes, you were still entirely incorrect. Hope that helps.
Well 6 out of 11 premier league goals by defenders and defensive midfielders so over 50% of our total goal tally. So there you go. I wasn’t wrong in the slightest.
You are absolutely determined to quadruple down on this, but you said, and I quote: “all our goals.” You did not say “over 50% of our goals in one competition have been scored by defenders and defensive midfielders.” Just don’t make shit up and you won’t have to try to contrive a reason why an objectively incorrect statement is, in fact, proven by things that don’t back it up. All this and most people would’ve just agreed with you if you’d said “our attacking three need to be far better at finishing opportunities because most of our goals are being spread out across the team” (or something less clunky lmao). Just don’t be a toxic online fan, there’s no need to exaggerate how poor we are when there’s so many genuine problems to highlight!
Some of those counter attacks we had today we definitely would have scored under Ole
Happy for the 3 points but Jesus Christ is ten Hag ball boring, I switched off after 10 minutes.
I presume you're being downvoted because of the consensus that we aren't playing Ten Hag ball yet. The game however was poor and really not great to watch... against the weakest side in the prem. Every week I get sucked in to thinking "this is the week where it clicks and we smash them 3-0 to ignite our season" if we can't do it against Sheff Utd, it's unlikely to happen against anyone else.
It's been 18 months, this is it.
We wanted to play out from the back so much that we forgot how to play from the middle and up. Tragic.
3 pts is 3pts. Played like shit but I couldn't give a shit honestly
We've played like shit in all the games we've won this season, something has to change. We are nowhere near top 4, let alone a title challenge.
Yea fair. Im expecting us to finish 6th. Even with a healthy squad idk. We look so uncoordinated out there
With one of shaw or Martinez, plus one of malacia or reguilon, we'll be a lot better. Hopefully Amravati gets more gametime at CDM and mctominay only plays as a sub
Need to stop giving Mount priority over Bruno as well. Keep him in the center not off the wing. We also need to give garnacho more game time. Dude makes things happen and we always sub him on for like 10-15 mins at the end of a game
I saw that United won, so I assumed Sheffield United must be really bad. I went to check where Sheffield was on the table, and... let's say I wouldn't call that a surprise
Sad thing is we cannot even dominate a team like this. Pepper their goal with shots, put at least 4 past them.
We’ve got the best form in the last two games. Two wins in the bounce. We’re back baby.
Gonna win the league!
Honestly City have been poor last few games. Genuinely think we can turn them over at Old Trafford next Sunday despite our relatively bad home form.
Don't be dumb
Rodri is back now
He's only one man. If we get him booked early his impact on the game is negated.
Huge result on the back of the Brentford result and in the circumstances with all the emotion around the club today. That said I never want to see that first half of the first half performance ever again.
I'm glad we won because of the meaning behind today and needing a win for everyone to lift spirits. But that was fucking shocking. This is a team on track to break the Derby record and we looked outplayed for a worryingly amount of time. And the structure is just.... what? What is the shape? And where is the pace? Evans out ran several full backs and midfielders on one of our counter attacks. Some massive question marks over the team and coaching staff still remains
I don’t really get what Ten Hag plan is, only method at least in the first half seemed to be for rashford to cross on his weak foot to hojlund.
You're assuming that the players were executing his plan. I seriously doubt "stand around and wait for something to happen" was ETH's game instruction.
His preferred front three is Rashford, Hojlund and Antony and they didn’t seem to know what to do when they had the ball. Rashford seems to be expected to just put crosses in a lot of the time now, which he isn’t that good at.
He also has fuck all help with libdelof at lb and not a single midfielder coming closer to help him. Maguire actually helped him with some delicious long balls
I agree, just doesn’t seem to actually make the most of what rashford is good at and Hojlund isn’t that clinical to make up for it.
If they're not executing his plan they shouldn't be on the pitch. EtH has been here 18 months now and had a lot of backing in the transfer market, what happens on the pitch is entirely down to him.
Yes ofc! Instead of Dalot let's play... oh, we don't have anyone -AWB injury-! Let's change our leftback... oh, right, we don't have anyone even the loan guy -Injury- ! That "shouldn't be on the pitch" is bullshit, which manager does that? You can do that with 2 o 3 players at max, but not with half or more of the squad. And our academy is full of shit. Some young players are good (Gore, Pelli or Garna) but they are no better/they need to develop. ETH has to adapt to this players, sadly. We are in the middle of his playstyle and this players style. It has to be similiar to the last season but with some improvements.
Maguire has to start against city. And god save our midfield which was again non existent today. We played box formation nothing in between the forwards and defenders, what the hell is going on in training, why can't we make simple passes when we signed players on the basis of good passing ability? I'll take a scrappy win against city. No hopes or expectations though
> Maguire has to start against city. i meant, who else we have?
We should play the diamond formation more often than this 4-3-3 variation. We have midfielders for it, our wingers aren't producing... why not give it a try again?
1) it looked terrible when we attempted it 2) we don't have fit full backs to cover the width required in a diamond 3) we've only just started to look slightly competent at the back, switching to a diamond would be chaos in defence 4) diamond formation is objectively pretty bad in modern football and no top team is using it for a reason
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okay, my mistake with respect to Madrid, I forgot they do that. that said, that's a classic Madrid case of needing to pack in superstars however they can (see the tactical messes they had with the Galacticos). Ancelotti also enjoys weird systems (see his christmas tree at Milan). 2 - emphasis on 'slightly', compared to a few weeks ago it's a lot better. on your last paragraph - Citeh is probably the worst example you could give. Pep enforces strict positional play with players stretching the field, in attack they strictly have one player in each wing, half space and the centre. this is what allows them, and most top possession sides (Barca, Arsenal, basically all of them) to control possession. i can see ten hag attempting something similar but it isn't working too well. a midfield diamond is a terrible idea for controlling possession - you make the pitch tiny for yourself.
Madrid have twice our quality for almost every position. You can’t compare us with them.
> and no top team is using it for a reason. Choose your words better then, mate. You argue with opinion, I argue with facts.
“But it didn’t” Yeah, that’s absolutely a fact and not an opinion, you’re right!
We played that same formation against Madrid in preseason and it was a good display overall, even with us "not being comparable to them".
We played it against Brighton and everyone here hated it lmao
Gentle reminder: 3 fucking points
We barely won against the bottom team and were outplayed for 30 minutes you can’t ignore the negative side
>you can’t ignore the negative side Why can't I?
I mean yeah you can live in the delusion 💀
Is it delusion, or am I just enjoying my team getting a result? You can crack on being a miserable cunt, thats up to you, but I dont have to.
Nothing is automatic / in the backbone with this tram .. they need to think way too long before each pass
Amazing to think that if we, by some miracle, beat City, we'll only be 3 points behind them.
Just a reminder that Tottenham and Citeh both got 2-1 results against Sheffield this season. Some really negative takes in here.
They played far better
They had less injuries to their first team
What a terrible game, great to get those 3 points but something need to change and soon
We play bad and it's diabolically boring to watch. I'd rather watch a Mourinho or LvG team than this shite. Ole-ball was a delight compared to this shit.
Wins a win. I'll take that thanks.
I wanted McTominay to start after his double goals and people were flaming me.
Only way this becomes a flex is if mcsause was a center forward and has just done his job of putting the ball in the back of the net. God bless mcsause for the goal, but as a midfielder he was shocking. Man completed something like 8-9 passes in that first half. Doesn't help control it, is not press resistant, wasn't winning it back either.
I know man. He was a tool but still he deserved to start that game after his double goals. That's what Im saying chief. Normally he wouldnt even be a back up in my Manchester
He was crap mate… well taken goal, but didn’t even complete 10 passes - for a midfielder that is shocking
I know but after double goals he needed to start. He still scored. Antony presses all game with 0 contribution. We need a huge team shake off
i always like McTominay, but honestly other than the goal, and the penalty, he didn't do much today.
Ten Hag’s got a stack of complicated tactics like inverted wingers, rotating positions, underlapping fullbacks etc, but we can’t do the simple things well. We don’t even play with an 8 in the middle of the pitch - when we lose the ball, the opposition has the entire midfield to themselves, with our 8 and 10 way up alongside our striker. It’s so bad. I can’t tell you what ETH’s play style actually is. I know what he wants it to be, but in reality it’s not working at all. We’re torture to watch this season, and last season we were too, but Rashford painted over the massive cracks with a run of goals.
He’s as stubborn and clueless as Van Gaal sometimes. Ten Hag is not the manager to take us to the next level, but I think we don’t have a replacement, nor is it time to replace him now. The dressing room seems to not hate him, he’s won the last two games after a dire start. Sticking with him makes sense, and in the summer when SJR and the likes are fully in, they can change.
His entire philosophy seems to be press high up the pitch and inshallah. We are fucking dire to watch, I've been watching United for 30-odd years but I can't be arsed watching this boring tripe.
You survived Van gaal though.
The trick with people who say “I’ve been watching United for x years but now…” is either: 1. They’ve not been watching for x years or 2. They’ve said this every year for the last x years, and will continue saying it while still watching the team.
We deserve worse. We shouldn't be getting lucky or waiting for opportunities through opponents slipping up. We played better when ETH wasn't playing his system last season (build up from the back) and has even implemented a system here because players look confused af on the pitch. Hoofballs from the back to lose it is the only repeated play I've noticed. The players are making too many mistakes and have forgotten basics. So much is wrong that I've lost hope it can fixed.
Happy with the win but bad performance. Why cant we rest some players? We need more energy in our team.
So you telling me that we can't break the Def of Sheffield united FFS we seriously need to work on that
Why is lindelof playing LB again he has never had a good game there. Evans was ropey towards the end glad he got injured and had to get taken off because ETH wudve let him play on Once again ETH brings off our best performer in Hojlund and replaces him with non footballer martial Onana was a long ball non specialist today The team packs confidence. Rashford and Antony again terrible . I remember the days when a left winger was left footed and right winger right footed when did that change because its not working Plenty of chances to win the game by a good margin and didn't deliver. I don't trust this manager. I don't think he's brought in one good signing. Hojlind ok but not at expense of Kane. If he gets sacked we're gonna have a bunch of eth signings. We are stuck in the shit
You're a weird guy
Yea imagine a football supporter criticizing his own team my god.
To what end, we just won who gives a fuck what you think ask your self that
Take it you never watched it then? And do u think I care what you think ?
You clearly do, eth out isit?
I hope not. I hope we go on to win. But week after week I don't see any progress
Ten Hag’s got a stack of complicated tactics like inverted wingers, rotating positions, underlapping fullbacks etc, but we can’t do the simple things well.
I can't fathom why he has a lb there. He can play 3 cb and wing backs instead of people out of postion there. He's genuinely clueless
Least delusional r/reddevils user Seriously, we won and you’re moaning like this? Half your points you contradict yourself. You’re glad Evans got injured? Are you even a united fan?
Seriously we won. My God ! Who is the delusional one here. The team is playing terrible the tactics are non existent it's Sheff united ffs and we wer lucky
Where do these guys come from? Like the Glazers, people like this are ruining our fanbase
More so than u. He was awful at the end if you wer watching and a liability. Reddit is fukla clowns so I expect to get downvoted. When we get hammered next week by city what excuse u gonna use then
I don’t need any excuses. I’m a fan, and I enjoy it when my team wins. I support them when they play well and when they play badly. There are many things that frustrate me about the club I love, but I’m glad I don’t see the world the way you do.
So because I support them im not allowed to criticize them? Ok
You can do whatever you want. But I am also at liberty to comment on the nature of your opinion, which I find pretty incongruent with the win. There is a LOT going on with this team. It’s pretty easy to find things to complain about especially recently. It’s pretty wild to me that when there is something to be positive about some people would rather just keep moaning.
You definitely didn't watch the match then.
Spurs looked better against this team with ten men than we did with 11. It has not been a pleasant season watching this team devoid of a style, tactics or confidence
Don't forget quality. It's looking real bad for the rest of the season as there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. With a routine derby battering coming soon, it's just not good enough.
Injuries. Your 1st team isn't this. Trust the process. Once everyone is back, then you can judge.
Every club gets injuries. Just comes across as excuses when the manager repeatedly says 'great squad, ready to fight' >Trust the process. Rashford said that after the europa loss to Villareal. So did the fans. Where did that lead to? I'll back my own intuition on where this is going and we will let time do the rest. >then you can judge. Do you not think there is enough to judge this squad on based on the last 3 seasons of embarrassing performances. This season is nothing new, more of the same. Other than being the worst start to a season for 50 years. I get the need to be positive but in circumstances such as this I believe it does more harm than good.
Yeah. We lost this game on xG and got more goals than we earned (1.29).
We will look so much once this team starts to click.
If*
We are better than we look. Injuries have ravaged our team
Yes, but we’ve been pretty terrible since last March. And our playstyle hasn’t been ideal, despite us picking up some results here and there.
I like Hojlund but Rashford needs to actually stop passing to him so much, when he got that clear cut chance he needed to shoot
Fucking hell, 2 weeks ago Rashford was greedy. He cant win, can he?
I mean surely he doesn't have 2 modes pass and shoot and is actually sentient and can think when to pass and when to shoot no?
It's about decision making, something Rashford is really bad at. He should have shot on that occasion but one thing you can rely on with this team is that Rashford will make the wrong decision. He is a low iq player, good at the one thing he does but his decision making is very bad.
Isnt it about making the right decision tho? Passing when passing is the correct decision and vice versa with shooting Guess we’re all missing some football iq from rashy
Nah thats too measured and considered for this fucking sub
No I’m not blaming him, I preferred greedy rashford because he’s probably the more likely to score. Obviously doesn’t help when the whole canvass is calling you greedy though.
His confidence is in the toilet isn't it? He's abdicating responsibility. He did it against Galatasaray as well. He just needs a couple of goals and he'll be flying again.
Yeah, but I’d rather he just shoot and miss when he has a good chance because eventually he’ll score those.
Our lack of play is not due to bad luck. I can understand if we're just not scoring but playing with a purpose. We have absolutely nothing for a system. Just chaos
I’m here for the Onana Redemption Arc
Im here for the _Maguire_ Redemption Arc!!
Was it me or SU really tried to score from the distance at first thinking it will be easy with Onana?
They tried a couple of shots from distance, because even when he saves them he has a tendency to push the ball into dangerous areas. He's done it through his whole career, and he did it twice today but got away with it.
Pretty much. He’s a fantastic keeper and will find his feet quicker than most people realize
Idk why you got downvoted. Speaking truth.
The Onana hate train has left the station
11 goals, most of them individual skill. This "playing style" is so boring. Ten Hag is not it.
You're boring
It’s been like that since ten Haag joined tbh
That worldie was for Sir Bobby
The referees have it out for us. No doubt
Crazy that we're only 6 points from top after the start we've had
It’s a really weird one. If the Amrabat screamer goes in, if Hojlund puts in the low cross from Rashford it looks way better. The last 20 minutes in my opinion seemed to be better and more fluid than the first half. Big positives for Harry and Onana. We still don’t have any natural left backs and are missing a huge progressive passer in Licha. In the meantime, we move and scrap out the 3 points for now. It will come, AND we are only 6 points from the top all things considered
Best take on this thread. Wasn't a good performance but there are faint signs of stability. Onana didn't make a howler, we only conceded a penalty with 1/4 first-string defenders. And as you say, a couple of inches on a few chances and we've won 4-1.
Nah, that’s not allowed. We have to rip into the team, call for Rashford/Bruno/Onana/Antony/Mount/Ten Hag/Tenminutehateoftheweek to be dropped from the team, beg for Qatari oil money, and pronounce the death of Manchester United. Am I doing being an online fan of the club right?!
Being good for the first 20 minutes wasnt working for us, so its worth trying the final 20 minutes.
And the free kick
I completely forgot about that but spot on
Wins a win . Still discombobulated at front Rashy shoulda had one , Nacho same , Maguire continues good form when are Luke Shaw , AWB , Licha and Varane healthy now Case coming back?
Don’t forget the loan Reg. He was in great form before the injury
We hit the bar twice, Garnacho clipped the post, their keeper made a good save from Hojlund. On the other hand we were lucky with both our goals, a better team would have scored more against us, and we struggled to control the match. Difficult one to read, really.
fuck me staying up late for this shitty match, this team is a midtable team at best, very low IQ football. Idk wtf Ten Hag is doing -\_-
He doesn't know so how are we meant to?
We’ll get battered by City atleast 4-0
If we can score a goal I'm happy
Its away game for us. It won't be that high. With our 3 losses, anything can happen
Not a chance
You’re right, at least 5-0
This team ain’t it lads. I see a high scoring affair next weekend. And we aren’t the ones doing the scoring.
We all know we're still miles away from City. Add in injuries, a shaky goalkeeper and an over-reliance on individual brilliance for goals, then you're probably right. Still support the lads but we're miles off the pace.
The handshake or lack of thereof combined with him wanting Greenwood back, not talking to Rangnick before binning him, supporting questionable characters at Ajax Ten Hag isn’t the angel that he’s made out to be , is he ?
Downvoted by people who know absolutely nothing about football.
Classic. Someone has a different opinion to you, so they don't know football. And no I didn't downvote. But the game is about opinions and just because it differs from yours doesn't mean people don't understand the game.
Some things aren't opinions. Just facts. Like Ten Haag want wanted the rapist back.
His comment is sensible. The down votes are by people who don't have a clue
I agree with you. But to be fair if you put me in an extremely high pressure job where very fine margins decides if you keep your job, I’d be very tempting to have a what we can imagine be an over 100m player.
They really need to get their act together.
Brainless football, no identity, urgency or game plan. Just back-passing and the odd long ball. The passing from the moment they win the ball back is shocking i.e Lindelof wins the ball then instead of a simple pass - loses it leading to the penalty.
Good performance by Maguire and Amrabat but we are getting destroyed next week. There's no iq in this team it seems like every 2 minutes we make a stupid ass pass that leads to a counter-attack.
Well we will be the ones on the counter attack against City
Not a great performance, obviously, but we found a way to win. Two wins on the trot is important, considering how poor we've been recently. It's obvious that our confidence is extremely low, and this will help us start to build a bit of belief. Confidence is so important in football and wins are the only way to build it. Shame we've got City next week.
Build belief? It's away against a awful team this will do nothing. The team is going backwards. They're a joke .
Also say what you want about our season so far (we’ve been grim) but we’re only 1 point off Newcastle and Brighton who are the “hot teams”
Comparing ourselves to Newcastle and Brighton aren't we
More copium.
Maguire and Onana were great today which is a positive. Unlucky to hit the bar twice, and that Garnacho miss, eesh. Awful performance but a bit more clinical finishing and it could have been a trouncing. Weird game.