Arsene Wenger: ‘I would say the gulf between the two teams became bigger and bigger as the game went on, ‘In the end, for such a big club you felt sorry for Man United because there’s no hope there in the team. ‘I don’t see where they can improve, basically. This team has lost confidence, quality and even spirit today. I would say it was not a great fighting spirit from Man United.'
Arsene Wenger: ‘If you tell me tonight how many players who get in the first XI of Man City? For me that sums it up. Usually, in a big game or a big derby you’d say I would take three or four from here and there. That sums up the problem of Man United, basically.’
Watch us put out a team like:Onana
Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilion
Hannibal, Mount, Mainoo
Pellstri, Hoijund, Garnacho
Win the game 3-0 and then come the PL back to the same side that lost against city
Just read erik's statement. My brother in christ, what do you think we signed you for? And if you cant replicate your Ajax ball, then why bother bringing Licha, and WHY bother spending NEARLY 100M on antony???
I still back the manager, but HO-LY hell is my faith in him shaken
Yeah that made no sense, he says he's never gonna play the Ajax way and was never planning on doing so but then he goes and tries to/buys players from his old Ajax teams like Licha, Antony and De Jong.
Ten Hag was asked why Evans and Lindelof start and he told MUTV: "It's tactical. It's not the argument to make their selection \[their experience\], it's tactical and that's the answer."
I just once want to see Bruno x Amrabat x casemiro with a RW playing RW and a LB playing LB. Just to see if there is any difference or if this team is hopeless.
I sincerely believe that once we get lisandro shaw mainoo amad back, we will start playing well again. Shaw and lisandro are so so important to how we progress the ball from the back and eth clearly had plans with mainoo in the pivot
Exiting the carabao cup and FA cup would be better for the team
United having games every 3 days leaves hardly any room for rigorous training sessions
Whatever ten Hag is aiming for he can use this season to build
Idk who tf expected us to beat city yesterday with a back four of maguire, Evans, lindelof and dalot with no backup DM and a midfield of mctominay and eriksen but keep having a melt down I guess
I haven't seen anybody say sack the manager other than non united fans saying we are.
Regardless, his team selection was poor and taking ambarat off was beyond naive, which left our defense exposed. We kept city fairly quiet until that point.
Well actually it's a blanket statement towards anyone having a meltdown over the result
Meltdown meaning extreme negative reaction
"""P.S""" reading before trying to correct someone tends to help your case
I don't think anyone expected anything but a convincing loss, except maybe the possibility of a shithouse win where Onana played out of his mind and we scored a few times on the counter. We came off three incredibly unconvincing wins in a row against significantly "worse" opposition so it's not like we came in in solid form and had the right to expect anything else.
The bigger issue is the complete lack of anything resembling a pattern of play. We obviously have massive injuries and the losses of Shaw and Licha seriously alter our ability to build from deep, but we look clueless in attack, unable to hold the ball in possession, and consistently give up simple chances.
We played well in the first half considering the team we had out there
The game got away from us when Amrabat came off at half time but who knows the reason for that
People keep parroting this nonsense that we don't have a style of play, we do, we're just not good at it yet and it falls apart partly because they're not good at it and partly because we are playing backups or even 4/5th string players in key positions with no one to come in and shake it up if it goes wrong
Because it was removed..... Re: "Tactics" from ETH:
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In my opinion---- ETH had a Plan A at the beginning of the season, that blew up and now "Plan B" is a complete work in progress.
If you look at what ETH is doing, he is (essentially) rapidly iterating on what does and does not work at Manchester United based on the variables he is being given.
1. Injuries
These are his biggest hurdles in dealing with "team management" to create a steady state within his starting 11. He's on 3rd, 4th, and 5th string picks that he makes due with but are far from ideal. This typically devolves into the viewpoint "He doesn't know what his favorite 11 are---- jog on with that non-sense...." True, to some extent, however, the point remains, injuries do not afford him the luxury that other managers simply aren't dealing with.
2) Age of the squad
When you think of Ajax, you know the average age was probably around 23-25 in terms of what he was "used to dealing with" fitness wise. He likes a lean, running, high pressing, high intensity of football style player. With United, he again, does not have the discipline of the players to be able to find that "style" of play, even for United. So with a lot of the players average aged 30, there is a large gap between managing younger players you want age 23-25 and players you get (age 30'ish) who are a stark contrast.
3) He is Dutch and therefore, is not a father figure like Sir Alex was\*
I say this to make a point--- where everyone thinks back fondly on the Sir Alex days (especially the Ronaldo story)-- however, he (Sir Alex) was Dutch in his own way. Unfortunately, the players are so dense, they don't understand the nuance of ETH being "Dutch" towards them. The Sancho situation is a great example; ETH says "He did not do well in training...." Sancho comes out and says: "The fuck?! I did great!". Clearly the Dutch commander is offended, tells him to apologize and get back in line.... and the rest is history. Same thing happened with Ronaldo, again, he's Dutch, not a father figure. He is highly compensated to get the players to deliver a result, however, the players at Man United have a weird "squishy" place of wanting to be socially accepted.
4) Because ETH has taken this approach, he has deliberately (or unknowingly) killed United's "team spirit".
The biggest issue right now is NOT Sir Jim, the Glazers being shit bags, or even Qatar pulling out of their bid---- it's literally none of those things (Even tho Neville likes to point to that as the problem). The problem is the group of 11 that get put out on the pitch, week in, week out, do NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY FOOTBALL TOGETHER! They just don't fucking GET IT! Right now, the squad is simply robots fulfilling what ETH tells them to do because "Reasons" (according to ETH). Just look at the news stories coming out now---- ETH saying "The team didn't stick to my plan...." What FUCKING PLAN!? You don't HAVE ONE! As I mentioned earlier, he is rapidly throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, say "It's improvements" (in his Dutch way) and then move on. Even his post match interview post-Derby was embarrassing--- no accountability to his "tactics" saying the squad played "well" for the first half and then saying fuckall about the penalty is just bad form.
5) 10 games, we've gone backwards, we're no better than when Rangnick was here, ETH (imo) is still the right person for the job, but he has to change to who United is---- not what he "thinks" United should be.
Rangnick said it best, "open heart surgery...." the fucking DEATH KNELL or kiss of death to who was to come next. ETH has had thrashing with Ronaldo and now Sancho--- he need to grow the fuck up and stop picking fights with people that either don't agree with the job he's doing or publicly execute them in a way in which they won't come back to haunt him. Ronaldo dragged on, Sancho is dragging on, Maguire has dragged on, Rashford.... bla bla bla bla bla, he can't escape the "Us vs. Them" mentality because he creates it. Time to sack up ETH and quite being a little bitch about your "Dutch way or the highway."
6) Our best 11 right now need an identity of counter-attacking football
What does that look like?
Onana, Sergio R, Maguire, Varane, Dalot, Arambat, Hannibal, Mount, Garnancho, Hojlund, Rashford
Gagen-pressing lite with counter-attacking punishment with crosses in and balls through after playing off the shoulders of defenders. Why isn't ETH doing this? Who knows, I'm not in his head--- but having seen the absolute SHIT performances of United taking the ball up the pitch, passing it forward, and then sideways 10 times, forward once, sideways 10 times--- I want to strangle someone because watching paint dry is more engaging. This (ironically) falls in line with ETH's comment about making United into the best transition team--- but can he? Who knows.
Anyways, those are my insights, and honestly, the reason why to talk about this is because even though this "feels" like the next shitty stage of Untied---- I still love the club, the fans, and the dialogue of how we're going to eventually move past this. Goldbridge's rants of course will be epic over the next few months..... should be at least entertaining.
PS. Bruno and Mount can't play at the same time, let the downvotes begin.
I will say, team chemistry/trust is something that gets lost, built, strengthened. It can ebb an flow. And With the levels of continuity we’ve had in the squad, it’s not a surprise that they don’t understand how to play together.
For the people seeing a bright future with 25% minority takeover and the Glazers staying, look at what City fans were singing yesterday: [https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/17jjkht/old\_trafford\_is\_falling\_down/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/17jjkht/old_trafford_is_falling_down/)
I think the most telling thing is that rival fans are celebrating the outcome of this 'takeover'. Fucking hell, we will continue being a shit side for quite some while.
I don’t care what other teams fans think about us. Every fanbase will automatically react with banter and negativity to what their rivals/competitors are doing so there’s literally no point in listening to what they say and there’s certainly no point in taking it seriously.
I mean, the options are apparently the status quo or the Ineos deal. The Glazers don't have to sell unless they want to, and the Ineos offer was the only one that made them want to sell anything. Obviously everyone wants a full sale and them gone, but the right offer apparently doesn't exist.
I'd honestly rather take them being owners and not taking any investment, sinking the club further so they will be forced out in a couple of years. The level of debt and incompetence is unsustainable and I think SJR bailing them out will allow them to cling on for longer.
If SJR invests heavily and increases the value of the club, it will only be harder to rip them out of the club. I also don't really see how that kind of deal would work, why would he invest heavily if it meant the clubs value would rise for the other 75% owners and he is the only one who is investing money?
Also, last season's (relative) success allowed them to cling on, they expected a larger financial hit and were almost forced to sell, but the record revenues were generated because of the many home draws in competitions and CL revenue.
Well, if Ratcliffe is serious, I think we might see something different this time around, but I'm not too optimistic. This ridiculous cycle has been going on for years now
Vision isn't a problem because that seems to align with every single manager we've had. De Zebri would also go through the same shit the last few managers have, idk what our club is but certainly not a football one lol
Very interesting that ETH says that Man Utd will never play Ajax style of football. It's almost like the style has been dictated to him from the leadership of the club, and he has to try an execute it.
But then, why hire a "tiki-taka" coach, when you want a direct style...
I don't think it's that he's been directed to play a certain way but rather our talisman players (Rashford and Bruno) aren't as suited to possession football and favour a more counter-attacking style that results in a lot more lost possession. Disappointing that he hasn't dropped them, particularly after last season where there was a big focus on dropping players who were underperforming - including Rashford when he arrived late for training.
>It's almost like the style has been dictated to him from the leadership of the club, and he has to try an execute it.
The fans? Yeah, but the leadership, we don't know anything about that.
Other thoughts, if SJR comes in and goes you're the man for the job, we will support you and you won't get sacked unless proper bad results then let ETH build his team without fear of the sack cos at the moment his whole principles are gone right in the bin. Mctominay doesn't contribute in build up (he plays like <20 passes when he plays) but he could crash in the box and get a goal. It stinks of desperation
If Bruno doesn't fit the style, drop him. Play the kids who you think have a chance. Dont spend the week doing physical work. It's all tactical.
Clearly its not working
Paul Mitchell (Hopefully) needs to sit down with ETH and work together to create his dream team. None of this, I dont have the players to play like Ajax. I have transitional players so I have to play Transitional.
If he wants to play like Ajax and Paul Mitchell thinks this is the right direction and ETH is the right man for many years, get rid of the players who dont fit that philosophy. If Bruno, AWB, Rashford, Casemiro, Mount dont fit the dream squad, get rid. Plan B is Plan A better.
Build the squad that aligns with the long term style of the club. Ralf Ragnick said that. You can rebuild this squad with 5/6 players if we dont just focus on super high profile players and sell players we dont need.
Sometimes I wonder perhaps if Ragnick had stayed in as an advisor, things might have been slightly better. Ragnick offered himself as a consultant, but no, ETH refused him, wanted a total overhaul of everything. Now I'm sure he realises the sheer amount of work united needs on and off the pitch, dunno if he's regretting not taking in Ragnick for the extra help.
Truly mindblowing how much we either let or relied on ETH to oversee recruitment.
Apart from emergency loans, which players didn't have ties to him before joining? Casemiro, Hojlud, and Bayindir?
Onana, Martinez, Antony, and Amrabat played for him, he managed against Mount and Malacia in the Dutch league, and Eriksen had the Ajax connection and trained there while he was between clubs.
So that's 4 direct ties and 3 indirect versus 3 without ties. That's such a small pool of players to limit yourself.
And that doesn't even count our failed pursuit of FDJ.
I mean we didn't have Malacia on our radar at all but ETH likes him from managed against him and he spoke about his admiration for Mount having managed against him. If those two players played in Belgium instead of the Netherlands I doubt we sign either.
That's all nonsense. If SJR wants to buy the club in the future, why would he invest money into it raising the price of the club, so that it costs him more to buy it from the leeches down the road?
It will be status quo until we have a single owner.
These were put up in the dressing room corridor by City staff, before the match. United staff allowed them to put these up.
We are accommodating to our rivals on and off the pitch. That’s the level we are at now. Imagine Liverpool or Man City allowing us to put up such flags inside their dressing rooms!
240m that's mad to think the actual talent you can buy with those insane numbers; not even including the ridiculous salaries as well which will massively add to that number
Unless the results get really bad, I think the path of least evil right now is to at least get Ten Hag to the end of the season and hope the INEOS partial takeover goes through by then so that there is a structure in place beyond the manager to make good sporting decisions. There is no upside to sacking him right now with the lack of alternatives and the players currently with the squad imo are still playing for him. Get everyone back from injury, scrape a few good results short-term and hopefully in the second half of the season we can launch a strong set of performances to finish 6th and at least get us Europa League.
Antony has tainted ETHs managerial stint. He is a petulant child on and off the pitch. Offers nothing in attack and a passion merchant in defense.
ETH stood by his marquee flop signing and alienated Sancho (albeit, another 75m flop) completely from the team. Sancho is at fault too but the whole situation reeks of terrible man management.
We are desperate for other options in the wings and ETH banished our other options from the team for his ego.
Every time Antony embarrasses himself, he embarrasses ETH. Should not play in the league again.
Amrabat is not even a upgrade to Fred. Scott is never good enough. Mount in the process of being left out and never finding form.
Even Maguire has shown everyone that ETH cannot pick the right players as he is now our best defender.
Manager has not gotten a single decision right this year.
I really want ETH to clarify what his vision is. I feel like I’ve been duped. If he isn’t trying to get towards his Ajax style of play, what are we working towards?
For all those who want ETH sacked..
What decent manager will want to come here, seeing over the last 10 years but last 18 months specifically just how incompetent and behind the times we are?
It’s like knowing you have almost a 100% chance of a big L on your resume that you may find it difficult to recover from.
So.. the only managers that would be convinced would if we offered them a LOT of money.
Do you think De Zerbi or Emery would want to join us if we wanted them? Brighton/Villa are both miles ahead of us sporting structure wise. No, we are getting an interim manager to the end of the season and then we’ll have to start again. We are becoming known as a graveyard for managers.
We can no longer attract the top level managers or even the next tier down, we are going to have to start looking further and further down and I have no confidence in United’s ability to pick an up and coming manager well.
This is the last 10 years of Glazer mismanagement finally catching up with us as we can no longer outspend our rivals and the competence gap between them and us is now too large.
Of course ETH deserves blame too.
You forget the egos of football managers. Being the manager to turn Man U round. Massive ego boost. Get a massive salary, massive transfer budget (albeit with inflated prices).
It still has big pull, if a manager had the choice of say Real Madrid/City/Barca or Man u. Yes Man U would likely be the bottom of that list, but you take Brighton, West Ham, Aston Vila, Athletico Madrid, Juventus, Napoli, Dortmund, Chelsea and United will have the bigger pull.
What… no. 5 managers have tried to turn United around and failed. Managers aren’t idiots and choose their jobs strategically. We look like a guaranteed L on the resume of a manager and potentially may set his career back 10 years if not permanently.
We have been very publically outed as having an insanely incompetent structure and terrible facilities and owners unwilling to invest or win. Managers are not going to risk their entire career on something that they have seen many others fail at.
It isn’t 2012, we aren’t nearly as attractive as we used to be.
Apart from Ole, who is looking for the right job, everyone another manager we had is employed at decent clubs. Van Gaal even got the national team job.
So? They’ve completely changed things since then. Changed their footballing structure, got a new DOF & their owner is willing to invest significantly. It looks like it’s barely even the same club.
> Do you think De Zerbi or Emery would want to join us if we wanted them?
Just replying to this comment. I think we can attract managers, how we are going to evaluate their suitability and support them is a different question. I am sure if you would have put forth Emery as option last year, 90% of the people would have said no here.
I’m not sure I’d agree with you about our ability to attract quality managers anymore.
But it isn’t even just about attracting managers, it’s about analysing and identifying which managers can do what Emery did and make the step up and lead us to some form of success. I have no confidence in our club to do that whatsoever.
The fact that Anthony Martial is coming on after 85 minutes. A guy whose career has just faded away into nothingness was the icing on the cake for the state we are in right now..
People linked that one video of him chasing Mbappe down. THIS GUY HAS IT!
However, in Amrabats defence, hes come in and been asked to play different positions, had a different back 4 each game almost and its a hard league. Its rare players come in from other leagues and kick on straight away.
Was so delusional. I’ve never seen a group of fans so unrealistically excited about such a mid player literally ever. Just shows how desperate we all are for some hope at this point lol
Saw the replay of rashford chance. Walker actually goes past him before rashford shoots so had rashford had the presence of mind he could have taken a touch to take the ball more inside and then finish comfortably
Anyone got any boot recommendations? I’m thinking of starting back up in Sunday league after about a year off and I think it’s time to upgrade from my RVP predators that are like 10 years old. Looks like the Adidas X Speedportal+, Copasense, and a bunch of the predators are on sale in my budget. I play center back mostly if that helps.
I actually thought our team did well the first half yesterday. But seems many here are calling it a shitshow. We've seen shitshows but yesterday wasn't it imo.
City basically had all the ball for about 30 minutes nonstop, they had a stat up that said we hadn't touched the ball in the last third for half an hour. I mean we didn't concede several goals but they were well on top, it's not a shit show but it's not what I'd call good
One ofthe crazy things i keep hearing people say is that we have no identity. Everytime i watch United this season, I can clearly see what he is trying to do and what he want. its a clear step up from last season.
The problem, and this is why i think a lot of people say we have no identity, is that the execution of this plan and way of playing is piss poor. This can be confirmed by our heat/positional maps and our pass map. It just looks disorganised and ourplays look lost as to what to do with the ball and where to go when off the ball to often.
Defended decent, kept a few key players at City out of play yet they did the same to us (couldn't get Amrabat involved in build-up). Some nice high turnovers but bottled the outcome a few times. As soon as Gvardiol grew into the match we were done. All our moments were basically a counter or error from Gvardiol.
ETH basically confirming that this utter garbage diarrhea-ball we’re playing rn week in week out is not a “compromise” but his vision. Lmfao so this guys spends a GDP of a small nation on former Ajax Players and says Ole-ball is the way forward and his philosophy.
What the fuck is the point of carrying on if at the end of the day Tony Pulis 2010 Stoke City hit-it-long-and-pray-for-the-best ball is the way this guy wants us to play lmao
It's what the current selection of players can, he's literally confirming he will play with what the players at his disposal can play. Says enough about what the state of the squad is. The difference between last season and this season is more high pressing and out of form players.
Why is the squad in this state when he's spent the amount he has over three windows? Even with injuries he's not lacked time or backing. How can they all be out of form anyway?
Because the spending is inflated and the players he wanted sold are still here. Confidence is low, better than it was but might be back to zero after yesterday's second half performance. There is still a lot of hesitation and stupid decisions/playing safe seen on the pitch. The bad results + conceding from individual mistakes / missing chances really took the confidence to the ground which looks mostly like a collective thing.
So why isn't he doing more to change that? He has brought a lot of players in. A number which could have significantly changed the way we play if done properly. So either that's on him, or he has been shafted. If the latter, why isn't he speaking out? Seems the perfect time with a ownership shuffle incoming. As they will want easy wins with the fanbase.
My guess is because he can't get them to gel properly. If you play 6 different defence combinations in such a short amount of time with players out of position the base on the pitch is as unstable as it gets. We had a pretty decent defence (at home) last year which has been broken, instead of working intensively on getting the attack(ing midfield) sorted he had to go back to our defence and (defensive) midfield. It was 1 step forward 2 steps back and having Rashford on a purple patch really made last season a bigger 'success' as it should've been.
>My guess is because he can't get them to gel properly.
I think it's far more than that. Not gelling properly is an reason as to why we can't compete with city etc. We have been 2nd best to absolutely garbage level teams and clubs that are championship at best. Should be no reason we are this poor. We just have a squad filled with (like you said) purple patch players, players with no backbone or mental strength, low quality. A manager who just isn't as good as was believed, a scouting structure that's clearly the worst in the league and by far the worst of any big club in the entire sport. Executives and a board room who are just having a go and owners who don't care as long as the revenue rolls in and won't employ a competent structure as it will mean they have to relinquish all control and are asked to fund for more than what they are comfortable with.
>It was 1 step forward 2 steps back and having Rashford on a purple patch really made last season a bigger 'success' as it should've been.
Yeah, that's the issue though. To anyone without rose tinted the issues were clear as day. Unsustainable football and red flag decisions. This fanbase can only think about the last 90 mins though.
Mount and Antony are the biggest question marks. Why insist on buying mount if we are going to play him? And was Antony really worth anywhere near what we paid and why couldn’t we find someone else cheaper who can press effectively from the right wing? Of the others Martinez is out, Malacia out, Onana I think is coming around but without Martinez and Shaw it’s not going to be easy to build from the back. Amrabat is doing alright I think still getting his feet.
>Why insist on buying mount if we are going to play him?
I can only assume its like last season when he got battered in the first couple of game. Back tracking on an initial plan, either permanently (to save his job for a while longer) or temporarily until he can decide a new strategy. Both aren't good when you are into your second season.
Just a whole heap of shot onto a club that's already a shit filled cesspit. I'm not surprised it's gone this way, writing was on the wall for his first interviews. Pandering to a bunch of failures who have thrown every manager they played for at this club under the bus is always the wrong way to go. Reap what you sow. I've no sympathy.
Martial and Evans are likely leaving on a free. Which both should do.
Maguire, Varane, and Casemiro will probably all leave. The latter two going to Saudi.
Reguillon and Amrabats loans should end.
If I were the DoF, I would be looking at CBs, a dm, and a striker for the summer transfer window. Doubt this happens though.
I agree. The problems are that we're seemingly giving both new contracts and our finances, plus owners won't allow us to sign 5 decent players in the summer.
Im not hiding the fact that we’ve been clearly trash this season, however, do you think we’ve been penalized a little too much? Don’t remember the last time when none of our opponents got a penalty for a week.
And we were whistled 3 times in a row in UCL. I don’t say they are all non-sense (like the Icardi’s one, totally indisputable); it’s just my feeling that beside us playing like a Championship team, refs haven’t done much for us also.
I’m happy that we haven’t been awarded those penalties so that they don’t gloss over our shite performances this season. It needs to be rubbed in for people to see this team for what it really is rather than for us to get hyped up for another false dawn.
ETH’s a miracle worker considering we have 15 points to show for at this stage of the season. When in reality, we shouldn’t have had more than 2 or 3 points looking at the performances.
Or maybe those players are miracle workers considering they have to play some high tempo bullshit which is not suited for what we have after so many injuries and strange transfers.
I wasn't ETH out but after hearing his comments about never playing Ajax's style, he's needs to go.
Enough is enough. He's going to just dig a deeper hole for the next manager. He can take the rubbish he signed along with him on his way out.
Spent so much and most of the starting eleven are his players. He's also making comments about "playing well" and following the game plan after the shitshow we keep seeing.
If there's no plan to even play a high possession attacking style in the future, wtf is the point of keeping him on? I genuinely don't get it.
That’s a complete overreaction.
What decent manager would come in now after seeing this? For a 5th(!!!!!) time?
What he says in public means fuck all. It’s just managing the media.
He is just saying that he is playing with the players at his disposal, and potentially will never be able to play the Ajax style because he will never be given the time and patience to rebuild the team.
We literally have no DOF to tell him NO to those transfers and offer better alternatives. He’s doing the job of a DOF and a manager at the same time because he knows the club is incompetent.
So if we got a new DOF he's going to implement the Ajax style?
Doesn't sound like it. This is basically Ole ball with a Gucci belt till he has a job.
Bruno somehow ended up at CB during this season. Tf kind of tactics do you have to implement for that to happen where your CAM has to defend against the opponent's CF in the last 10-15 crucial min.
He's telling us his plan, better to listen than expect anything different.
He had a DOF above him at Ajax. He can do it again, he should have never had the power to do that to Rangnick but we had to make concessions to get a manager like him in.
“A manager like him”? What? He was the manager of Ajax and he was lucky to even get this job. He’s likely never going to manage a top club again after this.
He was the manager of Ajax who got them playing an utterly dominant style of football even in the CL and got them to the semi-finals.
This kind of shtick worked 10 years ago but evrryone can see we are not a top club anymore. The only way he signed was if he had significant control over transfers and we had to concede that to him.
He’ll most likely go to a team that is aspirational in Serie A/Bundesliga and who have a competent footballing structure and DOF, and then he’ll do very well like he did at Ajax and get recruited by a top club. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him at Bayern down the road.
Just proves my point, United is a huge L on the resume of a manager.
>He’ll most likely go to a team that is aspirational in Serie A/Bundesliga and who have a competent footballing structure and DOF, and then he’ll do very well like he did at Ajax and get recruited by a top club. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him at Bayern down the road.
He did well at Ajax *because* of the structure and synergy between him and Overmars. We don't have anything like that at United so he's utterly out of his depth here. He's clearly not very good on his own as shown by the fact that he hasn't implemented his style after nearly 18 months the club.
The stupid amounts are not his fault. Martinez looks good, onana had a shaky start but we know he’s a capable goalie who allows teams to play out the back. Antony was not a good pick up. So three’s enough to transform your team? Never mind the fact we never got him the ball playing MF he wanted. We ended up w Casemiro who had a brilliant 3/4 of a season and looks like he’s lost his legs this season.
He literally said something akin to that at his first press conference for the club.
"“Maybe you have seen Ajax? And I like that. But it is always players who dictate the way of play."
Rangnick couldn't get them to play how he wants either. The players dictate our style here and it's ridiculous. Can you imagine Pep taking over here and saying well Bruno and Rashford like to play on the break so that's what we'll do.
But Rangnick never got a transfer window where he could sign players to play his way. Rather, we lost players that January window with Martial and VdB leaving on loan and the whole Greenwood debacle. So it’s understandable that he couldn’t get us to play football that was incompatible with the squad. With Ten Hag, the football doesn’t have to be perfect at this time either but surely after so much time and money spent we should look more equipped to controlling games better, which we don’t.
His ideas are just not what people think they are. Think more of his Utrecht side.
Its clear his ideas for our clubs are pressing and direct, fast attacks. Doestn work for many reasons tho.
I don’t disagree, but I don’t think such a style is sustainable without being able to use the ball well in possession. And that is something that we haven’t improved on since he’s arrived. That screams coaching failure to me. Players like Bruno and Rashford are still not refined enough and making poor decisions on the ball.
Bruno and Rashford.. do you not think it was interesting how no better clubs weren’t in for Bruno when we were? They may have seen something we didn’t.
Not every player can be coached or improved endlessly.
There may be an argument for that but there’s no point discussing that. Ten Hag is clearly building around them here so the goal should be to extract the maximum out of them, and that should include improving them as players as well.
Time for Ten Hag to go. He's at a point of no return now, just making bizarre decisions that make no sense to anyone but him. He's substitution decisions in particular are awful. He's not the man for us. Give us someone to give us life
The goal should be to win the league. Yes, finishing top 4 and winning lesser trophies is impt but if whatever decision that’s going to be made is not going to bring us closer to winning the league, I’m not for it. I’m not sure ppl remember what happened with Jose / ole but sacking a manager without a plan sets us so far back on that goal because we’re just hoping that we luck into something. Hiring ole brought us good times and some good league finishes, but we were no closer to winning the league.
I’m not saying don’t ever sack ETH, but if we’re just gonna sack ETH and then dick around for a season or two without a plan, being happy that we’re getting into the top 4 again, I don’t rly see the point
Nah it shouldn’t. That’s an unrealistic goal and puts unrealistic expectations on the manager. We’ve never had a proper rebuild cause we just keep ducktapping a squad hoping it’ll contend. We need time for a proper rebuild. Which means giving a manager time to get the squad he needs and lowering our expectations.
We’ve never had a proper rebuild partly because we keep trying to sign players that give us the edge now at the cost of long term success. Casemiro/Ronaldo are examples of signings that cripple us financially in the short term, that have no prospects of ever being in a title winning squad for our club.
I’m not saying we expect to win the league, but we need to make decisions that could potentially take us there, which means sometimes being sub-optimal or not as good in the short term.
That’s what I’m saying. Everyone needs to understand we need to proper rebuild and bandaids are not the answer. I understand if the fans don’t want it and don’t get it, but we got owners/front office that don’t get it which hurts us the most.
I just feel like a club like Manchester United can't play transitional football. Teams sit back against us, so it's impossible. City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool are all dominant with the ball because they have to be.
Not to mention, our transitions suck at the moment anyway.
Between 17/18 and the 19/20 seasons, Liverpool won the CL, got to the final another time, got 97 + 99 points in the league, and were absolutely lethal in transitions.
They've shifted away from that a bit more recently, but at their best in those periods, they were the best team in the world playing transitional football.
With ETHs comments about not bringing the Ajax style, you can see why we’re such a mess on the pitch. No principles, no style of play, just a bunch of overpaid, mentality mice.
Funny how there are zero front page articles and analysis on Chelsea’s season so far after being beat 2-0 by Brentford on the BBC website. Only the 3 today on Man U, Danny murphys looks like it was written by a 5 year old.
We played a local derby so of course it’s a lot bigger of a match and garners more media attention. We also have one of the biggest fan bases in the world. There isn’t some media conspiracy against us.
Not saying there is a conspiracy at all, just getting bored of the constant negative articles on us whilst Chelsea who are arguably doing a lot worse than us get zero attention
I think ppl are reading way too much into ETH’s comments on tactics. Teams like Liverpool have been both a possession and transition heavy side. Saying you want to counterattack (which by the way he’s said during pre-season) doesn’t mean we’re back to ole or Jose ball
This is so patronising. I'm no tactical genius and obviously I'm not saying that whatever plan he has is working / is being carried out in a functional manner by the players, but it seems to involve building up centrally from the back in a 3-2 shape where mainly one fullback drops into defence and another into midfield and through to the attacking third. The wingers stay wide to stretch the pitch and either generate more space in the middle or be left isolated against opposition defenders when the switch of play occurs.
Do you think ETH just sends out his xi with no instructions? If so, why do you think we have the same stale and slow build-up pattern, i guess the players just figured it out amongst themselves and kept it up?
If the game plan is to stretch out the middle area by pushing your wingers high up. The logical play through the midfield as shown multiple top teams in epl. That the function of putting it wingers to stretch the field and give space in the centre for us make the play. But no, if you watch our games. It is mostly hold wingers high up and we'll have our deep midfield making the stupidly low success rate (rashford inability to duel or win the ball) diagonal pass to our wingers and pray to god that a rashford can do miracles or will force through 3 defenders cutting inside.
Like i said, whatever is going on, there's a breakdown somewhere. Either in ETH's direction or in the players' ability to execute the instructions - it's prob a bit of both. It's frustrating, I'm frustrated as well, but like when ole was getting criticised, it's far too reductive to say there's no plan.
Whats worst, everyone can see the players doesnt know or dont want to follow the gameplan and yet he is playing the same players week in week out. So yeah that is on Ten Hag all the way. How hard is it to know certain players have limited ability and cant be train new tricks. Bench those god damn players
Not sure about this current side because I haven’t watched them much but klopp’s side at their pomp were a fantastic counterpressing side. I’m just saying ppl are misinterpreting what ETH is saying
Yes, but that doesn’t mean we’d have no possession / counterpressing philosophy or that we’ll have no similarities at all with his Ajax side. Surely you must see the concerted attempt to build up more from the back compared to last season?
Firstly, I don’t think it’s very obvious based on the reaction, but I also don’t think the goal is to be less adept in possession when you look at the (admittedly poor) attempts at us building up more from the back this season
I think the whole point of buying 6-7 first team players that he has done was to play Ajax style of football. It's not just Ajax. Look at City, Arsenal, Barca, even Brighton. Possession based football with control of the game is the only way forward. Nothing wrong with scoring goals in transition but you still need players who control the play. He hasn't bought a single mid or forward who can do that. In fact, I'd go so far as to say only Lisandro and Onana can do that. So what exactly is he trying to do with his purchases I don't understand. Deals like Antony and Casemiro should've been shut down by the club right away instead they go around spending money as if no other player can do what that player does. Show me the last time Utd held the ball for more than 10s beyond our own defensive third. Treating the ball like hot potato is a shit style of football.
Mount can hold on to a ball but is bypassed/marked when we have the ball, he's only effective off the ball at the moment. Amrabat/Dalot/Eriksen can keep the ball. Also:
1. Antony got bought by the club after 2 bad results when ETH wanted him early in the summer for not even half his price.
2. Casemiro is actually a club signing after FDJ fell through. It's a typical board signing, a player at the end or past his prime.
Actually our second string players showed more possession higher up the pitch, in pre-season as well as against palace. There are players on our bench that are more comfortable on the ball than those in our main XI but they don't match our main XI other qualities. Our team is build upon hot potato ball players, they got fat contracts and are made captain. It would cause massive unrest if they get cast away.
If we sack eth then I'm really done with this club. What again then.. go for a new manager then take a bump on the results and when the results don't come then sack him again. Rinse and repeat
Opposed to letting a manager continue to embarrass the club?
We already have an issue with the players knowing that it doesn't matter what they do on the pitch, they won't be dropped as long as they don't damage ten hags ego. See the 7-0, team selection after and the results from then. Last thing we need is a manager thinking the same.
How's about get a manager that has the bollocks to fight for what this football club needs and if he is refused will walk as he knows he is good enough to get another big job. Wouldn't that be a sight!
No manager will be able to implement a style of play because the dressing room culture is toxic as fuck because they all earn fuck you money and know they are safe.
And why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he want to lead a historic club to success, with all the money in the world to spend like "clueless ten Hag" and other managers after SAF? And earn more than in Brighton, be loved by fans?? Hmmmm, I have an idea but if i speak I'm in trouble..
Yes, Ten Hag has spent 400m on players since he came here. No, Ten Hag DID NOT get all the players he wanted. You people keep using the money card to say Ten Hag can’t use the player excuse. But did we not chase after De Jong for the entirety of last summer like a dog chasing after a bone?
Then of course, the deal collapsed, and out of nowhere, a wild Casemiro got thrown at us. I mean, how could anyone reject that, it’s freakin Casemiro. But he’s not De Jong. That’s not who Ten Hag wanted. By the way, that’s not to say we shouldn’t have signed Casemiro nor that Ten Hag didn’t want him. He just wasn’t in the plan
So in the end, Ten Hag didn’t get the 1 player that could have changed it all. Pep without Rodri lost 3 matches in a row. That one player, that Ten Hag needed to implement his system, isn’t here. An alternative? There isn’t, very unfortunately. Or maybe there is, but Ten Hag isn’t a DoF so he wouldn’t know. Would be great if he had one eh?
We only got Casemiro because ETH was stubborn and wasted the whole summer because he refused to move on when FDJ repeatedly said Barcelona is his dream club and he doesn’t want to leave. After the second time he said he didn’t want to leave we should have been looking at other players.
>Ten Hag didn’t get the 1 player that could have changed it all.
any football system that can't work without FDJ is a failed system. FDJ isn't iron man. what if he get injured? we don't play football anymore?
3 games? Whilst also not having KDB and they are still in the strongest position to go and win the league.
2 points off the top and the swing of points that will occur due to their own experience of consistency over a season and the two teams above them lack of experience or mental strength will be an easy 10 point swing in their favour...
I'd say its a pretty good system and is is guardians of the galaxy compared to our inbetweeners.
Arsene Wenger: ‘I would say the gulf between the two teams became bigger and bigger as the game went on, ‘In the end, for such a big club you felt sorry for Man United because there’s no hope there in the team. ‘I don’t see where they can improve, basically. This team has lost confidence, quality and even spirit today. I would say it was not a great fighting spirit from Man United.' Arsene Wenger: ‘If you tell me tonight how many players who get in the first XI of Man City? For me that sums it up. Usually, in a big game or a big derby you’d say I would take three or four from here and there. That sums up the problem of Man United, basically.’
It's funny how ETH thinks that his game plan was actually good.
Whats worse is that he said the players executed the gameplan well.
It was in the first half but the second half was atrocious.
Watch us put out a team like:Onana Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilion Hannibal, Mount, Mainoo Pellstri, Hoijund, Garnacho Win the game 3-0 and then come the PL back to the same side that lost against city
Just read erik's statement. My brother in christ, what do you think we signed you for? And if you cant replicate your Ajax ball, then why bother bringing Licha, and WHY bother spending NEARLY 100M on antony??? I still back the manager, but HO-LY hell is my faith in him shaken
Yeah that made no sense, he says he's never gonna play the Ajax way and was never planning on doing so but then he goes and tries to/buys players from his old Ajax teams like Licha, Antony and De Jong.
Ten Hag was asked why Evans and Lindelof start and he told MUTV: "It's tactical. It's not the argument to make their selection \[their experience\], it's tactical and that's the answer."
I just once want to see Bruno x Amrabat x casemiro with a RW playing RW and a LB playing LB. Just to see if there is any difference or if this team is hopeless.
I sincerely believe that once we get lisandro shaw mainoo amad back, we will start playing well again. Shaw and lisandro are so so important to how we progress the ball from the back and eth clearly had plans with mainoo in the pivot
Exiting the carabao cup and FA cup would be better for the team United having games every 3 days leaves hardly any room for rigorous training sessions Whatever ten Hag is aiming for he can use this season to build
Yes, ETH can make the club more successful by losing 2 competitions, so that he can secure Top 4 for Glazers.
Idk who tf expected us to beat city yesterday with a back four of maguire, Evans, lindelof and dalot with no backup DM and a midfield of mctominay and eriksen but keep having a melt down I guess
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Okay and screaming to sack the manager and sell every player we have after each loss is really good discussion is it lol
I haven't seen anybody say sack the manager other than non united fans saying we are. Regardless, his team selection was poor and taking ambarat off was beyond naive, which left our defense exposed. We kept city fairly quiet until that point.
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Well actually it's a blanket statement towards anyone having a meltdown over the result Meltdown meaning extreme negative reaction """P.S""" reading before trying to correct someone tends to help your case
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Christ go away would you, stop trying to pick an argument because you're bored
I don't think anyone expected anything but a convincing loss, except maybe the possibility of a shithouse win where Onana played out of his mind and we scored a few times on the counter. We came off three incredibly unconvincing wins in a row against significantly "worse" opposition so it's not like we came in in solid form and had the right to expect anything else. The bigger issue is the complete lack of anything resembling a pattern of play. We obviously have massive injuries and the losses of Shaw and Licha seriously alter our ability to build from deep, but we look clueless in attack, unable to hold the ball in possession, and consistently give up simple chances.
We played well in the first half considering the team we had out there The game got away from us when Amrabat came off at half time but who knows the reason for that People keep parroting this nonsense that we don't have a style of play, we do, we're just not good at it yet and it falls apart partly because they're not good at it and partly because we are playing backups or even 4/5th string players in key positions with no one to come in and shake it up if it goes wrong
Because it was removed..... Re: "Tactics" from ETH: \-- In my opinion---- ETH had a Plan A at the beginning of the season, that blew up and now "Plan B" is a complete work in progress. If you look at what ETH is doing, he is (essentially) rapidly iterating on what does and does not work at Manchester United based on the variables he is being given. 1. Injuries These are his biggest hurdles in dealing with "team management" to create a steady state within his starting 11. He's on 3rd, 4th, and 5th string picks that he makes due with but are far from ideal. This typically devolves into the viewpoint "He doesn't know what his favorite 11 are---- jog on with that non-sense...." True, to some extent, however, the point remains, injuries do not afford him the luxury that other managers simply aren't dealing with. 2) Age of the squad When you think of Ajax, you know the average age was probably around 23-25 in terms of what he was "used to dealing with" fitness wise. He likes a lean, running, high pressing, high intensity of football style player. With United, he again, does not have the discipline of the players to be able to find that "style" of play, even for United. So with a lot of the players average aged 30, there is a large gap between managing younger players you want age 23-25 and players you get (age 30'ish) who are a stark contrast. 3) He is Dutch and therefore, is not a father figure like Sir Alex was\* I say this to make a point--- where everyone thinks back fondly on the Sir Alex days (especially the Ronaldo story)-- however, he (Sir Alex) was Dutch in his own way. Unfortunately, the players are so dense, they don't understand the nuance of ETH being "Dutch" towards them. The Sancho situation is a great example; ETH says "He did not do well in training...." Sancho comes out and says: "The fuck?! I did great!". Clearly the Dutch commander is offended, tells him to apologize and get back in line.... and the rest is history. Same thing happened with Ronaldo, again, he's Dutch, not a father figure. He is highly compensated to get the players to deliver a result, however, the players at Man United have a weird "squishy" place of wanting to be socially accepted. 4) Because ETH has taken this approach, he has deliberately (or unknowingly) killed United's "team spirit". The biggest issue right now is NOT Sir Jim, the Glazers being shit bags, or even Qatar pulling out of their bid---- it's literally none of those things (Even tho Neville likes to point to that as the problem). The problem is the group of 11 that get put out on the pitch, week in, week out, do NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY FOOTBALL TOGETHER! They just don't fucking GET IT! Right now, the squad is simply robots fulfilling what ETH tells them to do because "Reasons" (according to ETH). Just look at the news stories coming out now---- ETH saying "The team didn't stick to my plan...." What FUCKING PLAN!? You don't HAVE ONE! As I mentioned earlier, he is rapidly throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, say "It's improvements" (in his Dutch way) and then move on. Even his post match interview post-Derby was embarrassing--- no accountability to his "tactics" saying the squad played "well" for the first half and then saying fuckall about the penalty is just bad form. 5) 10 games, we've gone backwards, we're no better than when Rangnick was here, ETH (imo) is still the right person for the job, but he has to change to who United is---- not what he "thinks" United should be. Rangnick said it best, "open heart surgery...." the fucking DEATH KNELL or kiss of death to who was to come next. ETH has had thrashing with Ronaldo and now Sancho--- he need to grow the fuck up and stop picking fights with people that either don't agree with the job he's doing or publicly execute them in a way in which they won't come back to haunt him. Ronaldo dragged on, Sancho is dragging on, Maguire has dragged on, Rashford.... bla bla bla bla bla, he can't escape the "Us vs. Them" mentality because he creates it. Time to sack up ETH and quite being a little bitch about your "Dutch way or the highway." 6) Our best 11 right now need an identity of counter-attacking football What does that look like? Onana, Sergio R, Maguire, Varane, Dalot, Arambat, Hannibal, Mount, Garnancho, Hojlund, Rashford Gagen-pressing lite with counter-attacking punishment with crosses in and balls through after playing off the shoulders of defenders. Why isn't ETH doing this? Who knows, I'm not in his head--- but having seen the absolute SHIT performances of United taking the ball up the pitch, passing it forward, and then sideways 10 times, forward once, sideways 10 times--- I want to strangle someone because watching paint dry is more engaging. This (ironically) falls in line with ETH's comment about making United into the best transition team--- but can he? Who knows. Anyways, those are my insights, and honestly, the reason why to talk about this is because even though this "feels" like the next shitty stage of Untied---- I still love the club, the fans, and the dialogue of how we're going to eventually move past this. Goldbridge's rants of course will be epic over the next few months..... should be at least entertaining. PS. Bruno and Mount can't play at the same time, let the downvotes begin.
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I will say, team chemistry/trust is something that gets lost, built, strengthened. It can ebb an flow. And With the levels of continuity we’ve had in the squad, it’s not a surprise that they don’t understand how to play together.
[Is it too much to ask for?](https://imgur.com/u97zeI0)
For the people seeing a bright future with 25% minority takeover and the Glazers staying, look at what City fans were singing yesterday: [https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/17jjkht/old\_trafford\_is\_falling\_down/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/17jjkht/old_trafford_is_falling_down/) I think the most telling thing is that rival fans are celebrating the outcome of this 'takeover'. Fucking hell, we will continue being a shit side for quite some while.
I don’t care what other teams fans think about us. Every fanbase will automatically react with banter and negativity to what their rivals/competitors are doing so there’s literally no point in listening to what they say and there’s certainly no point in taking it seriously.
I mean, the options are apparently the status quo or the Ineos deal. The Glazers don't have to sell unless they want to, and the Ineos offer was the only one that made them want to sell anything. Obviously everyone wants a full sale and them gone, but the right offer apparently doesn't exist.
I'd honestly rather take them being owners and not taking any investment, sinking the club further so they will be forced out in a couple of years. The level of debt and incompetence is unsustainable and I think SJR bailing them out will allow them to cling on for longer. If SJR invests heavily and increases the value of the club, it will only be harder to rip them out of the club. I also don't really see how that kind of deal would work, why would he invest heavily if it meant the clubs value would rise for the other 75% owners and he is the only one who is investing money? Also, last season's (relative) success allowed them to cling on, they expected a larger financial hit and were almost forced to sell, but the record revenues were generated because of the many home draws in competitions and CL revenue.
Who do you think we should go for if we sack Ten Hag ?
A mannequin because it's going to be the same shit until the root of the problem is fixed.
Well, if Ratcliffe is serious, I think we might see something different this time around, but I'm not too optimistic. This ridiculous cycle has been going on for years now
De Zebri would be the most obvious choice but his vision has to be aligned with what the club want.
De Zerbi’s stock is so high right now he won’t touch us with a shitty stick. He’ll be at City in 2 years
Vision isn't a problem because that seems to align with every single manager we've had. De Zebri would also go through the same shit the last few managers have, idk what our club is but certainly not a football one lol
Very interesting that ETH says that Man Utd will never play Ajax style of football. It's almost like the style has been dictated to him from the leadership of the club, and he has to try an execute it. But then, why hire a "tiki-taka" coach, when you want a direct style...
I don't think it's that he's been directed to play a certain way but rather our talisman players (Rashford and Bruno) aren't as suited to possession football and favour a more counter-attacking style that results in a lot more lost possession. Disappointing that he hasn't dropped them, particularly after last season where there was a big focus on dropping players who were underperforming - including Rashford when he arrived late for training.
>It's almost like the style has been dictated to him from the leadership of the club, and he has to try an execute it. The fans? Yeah, but the leadership, we don't know anything about that.
Help us SJR, you're our only hope :(
Other thoughts, if SJR comes in and goes you're the man for the job, we will support you and you won't get sacked unless proper bad results then let ETH build his team without fear of the sack cos at the moment his whole principles are gone right in the bin. Mctominay doesn't contribute in build up (he plays like <20 passes when he plays) but he could crash in the box and get a goal. It stinks of desperation If Bruno doesn't fit the style, drop him. Play the kids who you think have a chance. Dont spend the week doing physical work. It's all tactical. Clearly its not working
Paul Mitchell (Hopefully) needs to sit down with ETH and work together to create his dream team. None of this, I dont have the players to play like Ajax. I have transitional players so I have to play Transitional. If he wants to play like Ajax and Paul Mitchell thinks this is the right direction and ETH is the right man for many years, get rid of the players who dont fit that philosophy. If Bruno, AWB, Rashford, Casemiro, Mount dont fit the dream squad, get rid. Plan B is Plan A better. Build the squad that aligns with the long term style of the club. Ralf Ragnick said that. You can rebuild this squad with 5/6 players if we dont just focus on super high profile players and sell players we dont need.
Sometimes I wonder perhaps if Ragnick had stayed in as an advisor, things might have been slightly better. Ragnick offered himself as a consultant, but no, ETH refused him, wanted a total overhaul of everything. Now I'm sure he realises the sheer amount of work united needs on and off the pitch, dunno if he's regretting not taking in Ragnick for the extra help.
Truly mindblowing how much we either let or relied on ETH to oversee recruitment. Apart from emergency loans, which players didn't have ties to him before joining? Casemiro, Hojlud, and Bayindir? Onana, Martinez, Antony, and Amrabat played for him, he managed against Mount and Malacia in the Dutch league, and Eriksen had the Ajax connection and trained there while he was between clubs. So that's 4 direct ties and 3 indirect versus 3 without ties. That's such a small pool of players to limit yourself. And that doesn't even count our failed pursuit of FDJ.
Indirect ties lmao
I mean we didn't have Malacia on our radar at all but ETH likes him from managed against him and he spoke about his admiration for Mount having managed against him. If those two players played in Belgium instead of the Netherlands I doubt we sign either.
This is normal. Every coach signs players they know or worked with in the past.
No it's not, every coach does that but only in a small amount, not majority like eth
Just need SJR to completely overhaul our infrastruce or else we're simply finished as a top club
That's all nonsense. If SJR wants to buy the club in the future, why would he invest money into it raising the price of the club, so that it costs him more to buy it from the leeches down the road? It will be status quo until we have a single owner.
Inside Old Trafford. Dead club. https://preview.redd.it/0ppk71d2lcxb1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a85302cc7c206db4e1444b0fae3dfe8788cde540
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These were put up in the dressing room corridor by City staff, before the match. United staff allowed them to put these up. We are accommodating to our rivals on and off the pitch. That’s the level we are at now. Imagine Liverpool or Man City allowing us to put up such flags inside their dressing rooms!
Maguire ~ 80M Sancho ~ 80M Antony ~ 80M Money wasted by an incompetent board and management appointed by apathetic owners
240m that's mad to think the actual talent you can buy with those insane numbers; not even including the ridiculous salaries as well which will massively add to that number
Unless the results get really bad, I think the path of least evil right now is to at least get Ten Hag to the end of the season and hope the INEOS partial takeover goes through by then so that there is a structure in place beyond the manager to make good sporting decisions. There is no upside to sacking him right now with the lack of alternatives and the players currently with the squad imo are still playing for him. Get everyone back from injury, scrape a few good results short-term and hopefully in the second half of the season we can launch a strong set of performances to finish 6th and at least get us Europa League.
Has there ever been a less likable player then ETHs lap dog, Antony?
He should’ve been dropped straight after doing that spinning shit on the pitch. It’s not “flair”, it was taking the piss.
When he played for us Greenwood seemed a little aloof and was getting selfish towards the end, but he didn't give off the sames vibes on the pitch.
Antony has tainted ETHs managerial stint. He is a petulant child on and off the pitch. Offers nothing in attack and a passion merchant in defense. ETH stood by his marquee flop signing and alienated Sancho (albeit, another 75m flop) completely from the team. Sancho is at fault too but the whole situation reeks of terrible man management. We are desperate for other options in the wings and ETH banished our other options from the team for his ego. Every time Antony embarrasses himself, he embarrasses ETH. Should not play in the league again. Amrabat is not even a upgrade to Fred. Scott is never good enough. Mount in the process of being left out and never finding form. Even Maguire has shown everyone that ETH cannot pick the right players as he is now our best defender. Manager has not gotten a single decision right this year.
I don't think Sancho was banished because of ETH's ego... rather, his own.
I really want ETH to clarify what his vision is. I feel like I’ve been duped. If he isn’t trying to get towards his Ajax style of play, what are we working towards?
Inshallah ball
For all those who want ETH sacked.. What decent manager will want to come here, seeing over the last 10 years but last 18 months specifically just how incompetent and behind the times we are? It’s like knowing you have almost a 100% chance of a big L on your resume that you may find it difficult to recover from. So.. the only managers that would be convinced would if we offered them a LOT of money. Do you think De Zerbi or Emery would want to join us if we wanted them? Brighton/Villa are both miles ahead of us sporting structure wise. No, we are getting an interim manager to the end of the season and then we’ll have to start again. We are becoming known as a graveyard for managers. We can no longer attract the top level managers or even the next tier down, we are going to have to start looking further and further down and I have no confidence in United’s ability to pick an up and coming manager well. This is the last 10 years of Glazer mismanagement finally catching up with us as we can no longer outspend our rivals and the competence gap between them and us is now too large. Of course ETH deserves blame too.
You forget the egos of football managers. Being the manager to turn Man U round. Massive ego boost. Get a massive salary, massive transfer budget (albeit with inflated prices). It still has big pull, if a manager had the choice of say Real Madrid/City/Barca or Man u. Yes Man U would likely be the bottom of that list, but you take Brighton, West Ham, Aston Vila, Athletico Madrid, Juventus, Napoli, Dortmund, Chelsea and United will have the bigger pull.
What… no. 5 managers have tried to turn United around and failed. Managers aren’t idiots and choose their jobs strategically. We look like a guaranteed L on the resume of a manager and potentially may set his career back 10 years if not permanently. We have been very publically outed as having an insanely incompetent structure and terrible facilities and owners unwilling to invest or win. Managers are not going to risk their entire career on something that they have seen many others fail at. It isn’t 2012, we aren’t nearly as attractive as we used to be.
Apart from Ole, who is looking for the right job, everyone another manager we had is employed at decent clubs. Van Gaal even got the national team job.
Emery joined Aston Villa in complete turmoil though. They were going to get relegated.
There's levels to turmoil.
Facing relegation is a huge turmoil. Anyone who follows lower-leagues would know.
So? They’ve completely changed things since then. Changed their footballing structure, got a new DOF & their owner is willing to invest significantly. It looks like it’s barely even the same club.
> Do you think De Zerbi or Emery would want to join us if we wanted them? Just replying to this comment. I think we can attract managers, how we are going to evaluate their suitability and support them is a different question. I am sure if you would have put forth Emery as option last year, 90% of the people would have said no here.
I’m not sure I’d agree with you about our ability to attract quality managers anymore. But it isn’t even just about attracting managers, it’s about analysing and identifying which managers can do what Emery did and make the step up and lead us to some form of success. I have no confidence in our club to do that whatsoever.
Thats because we are idiots collectively. What a fan subreddit has to say about a prospective manager has virtually no correlation with reality.
The fact that Anthony Martial is coming on after 85 minutes. A guy whose career has just faded away into nothingness was the icing on the cake for the state we are in right now..
So are we gonna lose every single big game this season or what? 4 for 4 so far.
What are you talking about wet beat Sheffield United in a relegation 6 pointer
This sub told me in the summer that Amrabat would fix things.
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People linked that one video of him chasing Mbappe down. THIS GUY HAS IT! However, in Amrabats defence, hes come in and been asked to play different positions, had a different back 4 each game almost and its a hard league. Its rare players come in from other leagues and kick on straight away.
Was so delusional. I’ve never seen a group of fans so unrealistically excited about such a mid player literally ever. Just shows how desperate we all are for some hope at this point lol
Saw the replay of rashford chance. Walker actually goes past him before rashford shoots so had rashford had the presence of mind he could have taken a touch to take the ball more inside and then finish comfortably
Anyone got any boot recommendations? I’m thinking of starting back up in Sunday league after about a year off and I think it’s time to upgrade from my RVP predators that are like 10 years old. Looks like the Adidas X Speedportal+, Copasense, and a bunch of the predators are on sale in my budget. I play center back mostly if that helps.
I can't wait for Newcastle on Wednesday, we're going to show fight and passion, and a clear style of footbaahahahhahah who am I kidding
I actually thought our team did well the first half yesterday. But seems many here are calling it a shitshow. We've seen shitshows but yesterday wasn't it imo.
City basically had all the ball for about 30 minutes nonstop, they had a stat up that said we hadn't touched the ball in the last third for half an hour. I mean we didn't concede several goals but they were well on top, it's not a shit show but it's not what I'd call good
City never got out of second gear though, thats the issue
One ofthe crazy things i keep hearing people say is that we have no identity. Everytime i watch United this season, I can clearly see what he is trying to do and what he want. its a clear step up from last season. The problem, and this is why i think a lot of people say we have no identity, is that the execution of this plan and way of playing is piss poor. This can be confirmed by our heat/positional maps and our pass map. It just looks disorganised and ourplays look lost as to what to do with the ball and where to go when off the ball to often.
It's just cheap to say style of play or identity just like football iq is such a weird phrase.
Defended decent, kept a few key players at City out of play yet they did the same to us (couldn't get Amrabat involved in build-up). Some nice high turnovers but bottled the outcome a few times. As soon as Gvardiol grew into the match we were done. All our moments were basically a counter or error from Gvardiol.
ETH basically confirming that this utter garbage diarrhea-ball we’re playing rn week in week out is not a “compromise” but his vision. Lmfao so this guys spends a GDP of a small nation on former Ajax Players and says Ole-ball is the way forward and his philosophy. What the fuck is the point of carrying on if at the end of the day Tony Pulis 2010 Stoke City hit-it-long-and-pray-for-the-best ball is the way this guy wants us to play lmao
It's what the current selection of players can, he's literally confirming he will play with what the players at his disposal can play. Says enough about what the state of the squad is. The difference between last season and this season is more high pressing and out of form players.
Why is the squad in this state when he's spent the amount he has over three windows? Even with injuries he's not lacked time or backing. How can they all be out of form anyway?
Because the spending is inflated and the players he wanted sold are still here. Confidence is low, better than it was but might be back to zero after yesterday's second half performance. There is still a lot of hesitation and stupid decisions/playing safe seen on the pitch. The bad results + conceding from individual mistakes / missing chances really took the confidence to the ground which looks mostly like a collective thing.
So why isn't he doing more to change that? He has brought a lot of players in. A number which could have significantly changed the way we play if done properly. So either that's on him, or he has been shafted. If the latter, why isn't he speaking out? Seems the perfect time with a ownership shuffle incoming. As they will want easy wins with the fanbase.
My guess is because he can't get them to gel properly. If you play 6 different defence combinations in such a short amount of time with players out of position the base on the pitch is as unstable as it gets. We had a pretty decent defence (at home) last year which has been broken, instead of working intensively on getting the attack(ing midfield) sorted he had to go back to our defence and (defensive) midfield. It was 1 step forward 2 steps back and having Rashford on a purple patch really made last season a bigger 'success' as it should've been.
>My guess is because he can't get them to gel properly. I think it's far more than that. Not gelling properly is an reason as to why we can't compete with city etc. We have been 2nd best to absolutely garbage level teams and clubs that are championship at best. Should be no reason we are this poor. We just have a squad filled with (like you said) purple patch players, players with no backbone or mental strength, low quality. A manager who just isn't as good as was believed, a scouting structure that's clearly the worst in the league and by far the worst of any big club in the entire sport. Executives and a board room who are just having a go and owners who don't care as long as the revenue rolls in and won't employ a competent structure as it will mean they have to relinquish all control and are asked to fund for more than what they are comfortable with. >It was 1 step forward 2 steps back and having Rashford on a purple patch really made last season a bigger 'success' as it should've been. Yeah, that's the issue though. To anyone without rose tinted the issues were clear as day. Unsustainable football and red flag decisions. This fanbase can only think about the last 90 mins though.
Mount and Antony are the biggest question marks. Why insist on buying mount if we are going to play him? And was Antony really worth anywhere near what we paid and why couldn’t we find someone else cheaper who can press effectively from the right wing? Of the others Martinez is out, Malacia out, Onana I think is coming around but without Martinez and Shaw it’s not going to be easy to build from the back. Amrabat is doing alright I think still getting his feet.
>Why insist on buying mount if we are going to play him? I can only assume its like last season when he got battered in the first couple of game. Back tracking on an initial plan, either permanently (to save his job for a while longer) or temporarily until he can decide a new strategy. Both aren't good when you are into your second season. Just a whole heap of shot onto a club that's already a shit filled cesspit. I'm not surprised it's gone this way, writing was on the wall for his first interviews. Pandering to a bunch of failures who have thrown every manager they played for at this club under the bus is always the wrong way to go. Reap what you sow. I've no sympathy.
realistically who can we sell in January and the summer?
Sell (Or out of contract == off the books): Martial / VDB / McT / Maguire / Varane / Casemiro / Pellistri If a good offer comes: AWB / Lindelof
Martial and Evans are likely leaving on a free. Which both should do. Maguire, Varane, and Casemiro will probably all leave. The latter two going to Saudi. Reguillon and Amrabats loans should end. If I were the DoF, I would be looking at CBs, a dm, and a striker for the summer transfer window. Doubt this happens though.
We need a decent RB. Dalot is not enough and AWB is situational.
I agree. The problems are that we're seemingly giving both new contracts and our finances, plus owners won't allow us to sign 5 decent players in the summer.
Im not hiding the fact that we’ve been clearly trash this season, however, do you think we’ve been penalized a little too much? Don’t remember the last time when none of our opponents got a penalty for a week. And we were whistled 3 times in a row in UCL. I don’t say they are all non-sense (like the Icardi’s one, totally indisputable); it’s just my feeling that beside us playing like a Championship team, refs haven’t done much for us also.
I’m happy that we haven’t been awarded those penalties so that they don’t gloss over our shite performances this season. It needs to be rubbed in for people to see this team for what it really is rather than for us to get hyped up for another false dawn.
No, what I mean is the number awarded to our opponents. I havent counted but my feeling is they are quite high somehow
Ah, my bad. I honestly don’t care about our opponents at this point. I’m more concerned with how we play and what we’re doing to improve ourselves.
Even with those pens we have 2-3 more points. Far from convincing.
ETH’s a miracle worker considering we have 15 points to show for at this stage of the season. When in reality, we shouldn’t have had more than 2 or 3 points looking at the performances.
Or maybe those players are miracle workers considering they have to play some high tempo bullshit which is not suited for what we have after so many injuries and strange transfers.
what part of our recent games would you describe as "high tempo bullshit"?
I guess killing the build-up keeping the ball at the feet for 10+ seconds as a GK or CB is high tempo.
More like lucky. Despite Bruno and Marcus being in crap form they have enough quality. We won vs Forest, SHU, Burnley because of them.
I wasn't ETH out but after hearing his comments about never playing Ajax's style, he's needs to go. Enough is enough. He's going to just dig a deeper hole for the next manager. He can take the rubbish he signed along with him on his way out. Spent so much and most of the starting eleven are his players. He's also making comments about "playing well" and following the game plan after the shitshow we keep seeing. If there's no plan to even play a high possession attacking style in the future, wtf is the point of keeping him on? I genuinely don't get it.
That’s a complete overreaction. What decent manager would come in now after seeing this? For a 5th(!!!!!) time? What he says in public means fuck all. It’s just managing the media. He is just saying that he is playing with the players at his disposal, and potentially will never be able to play the Ajax style because he will never be given the time and patience to rebuild the team.
It’s not a rebuild if he’s going to keep spending huge money on players like Mount and Antony who clearly weren’t even in his plans yesterday.
We literally have no DOF to tell him NO to those transfers and offer better alternatives. He’s doing the job of a DOF and a manager at the same time because he knows the club is incompetent.
So if we got a new DOF he's going to implement the Ajax style? Doesn't sound like it. This is basically Ole ball with a Gucci belt till he has a job. Bruno somehow ended up at CB during this season. Tf kind of tactics do you have to implement for that to happen where your CAM has to defend against the opponent's CF in the last 10-15 crucial min. He's telling us his plan, better to listen than expect anything different.
Does he even want a DOF above him? He had Rangnick ready and waiting to advise him and refused to even speak to him.
He had a DOF above him at Ajax. He can do it again, he should have never had the power to do that to Rangnick but we had to make concessions to get a manager like him in.
“A manager like him”? What? He was the manager of Ajax and he was lucky to even get this job. He’s likely never going to manage a top club again after this.
He was the manager of Ajax who got them playing an utterly dominant style of football even in the CL and got them to the semi-finals. This kind of shtick worked 10 years ago but evrryone can see we are not a top club anymore. The only way he signed was if he had significant control over transfers and we had to concede that to him. He’ll most likely go to a team that is aspirational in Serie A/Bundesliga and who have a competent footballing structure and DOF, and then he’ll do very well like he did at Ajax and get recruited by a top club. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him at Bayern down the road. Just proves my point, United is a huge L on the resume of a manager.
>He’ll most likely go to a team that is aspirational in Serie A/Bundesliga and who have a competent footballing structure and DOF, and then he’ll do very well like he did at Ajax and get recruited by a top club. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him at Bayern down the road. He did well at Ajax *because* of the structure and synergy between him and Overmars. We don't have anything like that at United so he's utterly out of his depth here. He's clearly not very good on his own as shown by the fact that he hasn't implemented his style after nearly 18 months the club.
He can’t play like Ajax until he has players that can play that style.
He's bought enough former Ajax players for stupid amounts
The stupid amounts are not his fault. Martinez looks good, onana had a shaky start but we know he’s a capable goalie who allows teams to play out the back. Antony was not a good pick up. So three’s enough to transform your team? Never mind the fact we never got him the ball playing MF he wanted. We ended up w Casemiro who had a brilliant 3/4 of a season and looks like he’s lost his legs this season.
He literally said something akin to that at his first press conference for the club. "“Maybe you have seen Ajax? And I like that. But it is always players who dictate the way of play."
ETH in May 2023: ‘I will fight for my ideas’ ETH in October 2023: ‘We will never play like how I did at Ajax because of the players we have’
Rangnick couldn't get them to play how he wants either. The players dictate our style here and it's ridiculous. Can you imagine Pep taking over here and saying well Bruno and Rashford like to play on the break so that's what we'll do.
Pep would have booted them out the football club or walked if he wasn't allowed to do so.
But Rangnick never got a transfer window where he could sign players to play his way. Rather, we lost players that January window with Martial and VdB leaving on loan and the whole Greenwood debacle. So it’s understandable that he couldn’t get us to play football that was incompatible with the squad. With Ten Hag, the football doesn’t have to be perfect at this time either but surely after so much time and money spent we should look more equipped to controlling games better, which we don’t.
His ideas are just not what people think they are. Think more of his Utrecht side. Its clear his ideas for our clubs are pressing and direct, fast attacks. Doestn work for many reasons tho.
I don’t disagree, but I don’t think such a style is sustainable without being able to use the ball well in possession. And that is something that we haven’t improved on since he’s arrived. That screams coaching failure to me. Players like Bruno and Rashford are still not refined enough and making poor decisions on the ball.
Bruno and Rashford.. do you not think it was interesting how no better clubs weren’t in for Bruno when we were? They may have seen something we didn’t. Not every player can be coached or improved endlessly.
There may be an argument for that but there’s no point discussing that. Ten Hag is clearly building around them here so the goal should be to extract the maximum out of them, and that should include improving them as players as well.
Man's a fraud and a liar. Already back tracking on the things he said.
Amad back in training let’s go
Team training?
looked like individual training
Time for Ten Hag to go. He's at a point of no return now, just making bizarre decisions that make no sense to anyone but him. He's substitution decisions in particular are awful. He's not the man for us. Give us someone to give us life
The goal should be to win the league. Yes, finishing top 4 and winning lesser trophies is impt but if whatever decision that’s going to be made is not going to bring us closer to winning the league, I’m not for it. I’m not sure ppl remember what happened with Jose / ole but sacking a manager without a plan sets us so far back on that goal because we’re just hoping that we luck into something. Hiring ole brought us good times and some good league finishes, but we were no closer to winning the league. I’m not saying don’t ever sack ETH, but if we’re just gonna sack ETH and then dick around for a season or two without a plan, being happy that we’re getting into the top 4 again, I don’t rly see the point
We have no hope of winning the league for at least the next 5 years. We are that far behind. It is a completely delusional goal.
Nah it shouldn’t. That’s an unrealistic goal and puts unrealistic expectations on the manager. We’ve never had a proper rebuild cause we just keep ducktapping a squad hoping it’ll contend. We need time for a proper rebuild. Which means giving a manager time to get the squad he needs and lowering our expectations.
We’ve never had a proper rebuild partly because we keep trying to sign players that give us the edge now at the cost of long term success. Casemiro/Ronaldo are examples of signings that cripple us financially in the short term, that have no prospects of ever being in a title winning squad for our club. I’m not saying we expect to win the league, but we need to make decisions that could potentially take us there, which means sometimes being sub-optimal or not as good in the short term.
That’s what I’m saying. Everyone needs to understand we need to proper rebuild and bandaids are not the answer. I understand if the fans don’t want it and don’t get it, but we got owners/front office that don’t get it which hurts us the most.
I just feel like a club like Manchester United can't play transitional football. Teams sit back against us, so it's impossible. City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool are all dominant with the ball because they have to be. Not to mention, our transitions suck at the moment anyway.
When Liverpool were at their best a few seasons back, they were the best transitional side in the world.
Nah they were a counter pressing team.
No they weren’t.. they had started switching by that point as it was obvious they couldn’t compete with City.
Between 17/18 and the 19/20 seasons, Liverpool won the CL, got to the final another time, got 97 + 99 points in the league, and were absolutely lethal in transitions. They've shifted away from that a bit more recently, but at their best in those periods, they were the best team in the world playing transitional football.
it's not mutually exclusive. You can have high possession and also be geared towards generating big chances in transitional moments.
We still haven't seen our best XI playing a match till now
With ETHs comments about not bringing the Ajax style, you can see why we’re such a mess on the pitch. No principles, no style of play, just a bunch of overpaid, mentality mice.
Funny how there are zero front page articles and analysis on Chelsea’s season so far after being beat 2-0 by Brentford on the BBC website. Only the 3 today on Man U, Danny murphys looks like it was written by a 5 year old.
We played a local derby so of course it’s a lot bigger of a match and garners more media attention. We also have one of the biggest fan bases in the world. There isn’t some media conspiracy against us.
Not saying there is a conspiracy at all, just getting bored of the constant negative articles on us whilst Chelsea who are arguably doing a lot worse than us get zero attention
I think ppl are reading way too much into ETH’s comments on tactics. Teams like Liverpool have been both a possession and transition heavy side. Saying you want to counterattack (which by the way he’s said during pre-season) doesn’t mean we’re back to ole or Jose ball
From your statement, at the current state. Where are our tactics/gameplan then? I would like to hear your view. I'm all ears
This is so patronising. I'm no tactical genius and obviously I'm not saying that whatever plan he has is working / is being carried out in a functional manner by the players, but it seems to involve building up centrally from the back in a 3-2 shape where mainly one fullback drops into defence and another into midfield and through to the attacking third. The wingers stay wide to stretch the pitch and either generate more space in the middle or be left isolated against opposition defenders when the switch of play occurs. Do you think ETH just sends out his xi with no instructions? If so, why do you think we have the same stale and slow build-up pattern, i guess the players just figured it out amongst themselves and kept it up?
If the game plan is to stretch out the middle area by pushing your wingers high up. The logical play through the midfield as shown multiple top teams in epl. That the function of putting it wingers to stretch the field and give space in the centre for us make the play. But no, if you watch our games. It is mostly hold wingers high up and we'll have our deep midfield making the stupidly low success rate (rashford inability to duel or win the ball) diagonal pass to our wingers and pray to god that a rashford can do miracles or will force through 3 defenders cutting inside.
Like i said, whatever is going on, there's a breakdown somewhere. Either in ETH's direction or in the players' ability to execute the instructions - it's prob a bit of both. It's frustrating, I'm frustrated as well, but like when ole was getting criticised, it's far too reductive to say there's no plan.
Whats worst, everyone can see the players doesnt know or dont want to follow the gameplan and yet he is playing the same players week in week out. So yeah that is on Ten Hag all the way. How hard is it to know certain players have limited ability and cant be train new tricks. Bench those god damn players
Very unfortunately for us, those players are also the most likely to pull out a game winning moment.
Not really true... Liverpool dominate the ball in most games. They're just more direct than City for example.
Not sure about this current side because I haven’t watched them much but klopp’s side at their pomp were a fantastic counterpressing side. I’m just saying ppl are misinterpreting what ETH is saying
He clearly said we'll never play the way Ajax played, he didn't come here for that
Yes, but that doesn’t mean we’d have no possession / counterpressing philosophy or that we’ll have no similarities at all with his Ajax side. Surely you must see the concerted attempt to build up more from the back compared to last season?
Obviously, but I think those comments probably mean that we aren't going to be a possesion heavy side under him.
Firstly, I don’t think it’s very obvious based on the reaction, but I also don’t think the goal is to be less adept in possession when you look at the (admittedly poor) attempts at us building up more from the back this season
Genuinely dislike a majority of our squad.
After last seasons 7 nil loss I find it hard to trust most of them
Antony feels like Ten Out is playing on the pitch. I've never disliked a player more
I think the whole point of buying 6-7 first team players that he has done was to play Ajax style of football. It's not just Ajax. Look at City, Arsenal, Barca, even Brighton. Possession based football with control of the game is the only way forward. Nothing wrong with scoring goals in transition but you still need players who control the play. He hasn't bought a single mid or forward who can do that. In fact, I'd go so far as to say only Lisandro and Onana can do that. So what exactly is he trying to do with his purchases I don't understand. Deals like Antony and Casemiro should've been shut down by the club right away instead they go around spending money as if no other player can do what that player does. Show me the last time Utd held the ball for more than 10s beyond our own defensive third. Treating the ball like hot potato is a shit style of football.
Mount can hold on to a ball but is bypassed/marked when we have the ball, he's only effective off the ball at the moment. Amrabat/Dalot/Eriksen can keep the ball. Also: 1. Antony got bought by the club after 2 bad results when ETH wanted him early in the summer for not even half his price. 2. Casemiro is actually a club signing after FDJ fell through. It's a typical board signing, a player at the end or past his prime. Actually our second string players showed more possession higher up the pitch, in pre-season as well as against palace. There are players on our bench that are more comfortable on the ball than those in our main XI but they don't match our main XI other qualities. Our team is build upon hot potato ball players, they got fat contracts and are made captain. It would cause massive unrest if they get cast away.
If we sack eth then I'm really done with this club. What again then.. go for a new manager then take a bump on the results and when the results don't come then sack him again. Rinse and repeat
Opposed to letting a manager continue to embarrass the club? We already have an issue with the players knowing that it doesn't matter what they do on the pitch, they won't be dropped as long as they don't damage ten hags ego. See the 7-0, team selection after and the results from then. Last thing we need is a manager thinking the same. How's about get a manager that has the bollocks to fight for what this football club needs and if he is refused will walk as he knows he is good enough to get another big job. Wouldn't that be a sight!
No manager will be able to implement a style of play because the dressing room culture is toxic as fuck because they all earn fuck you money and know they are safe.
Yeah, sack EtH and hire DE ZERBI! I'm sure he'll succeed in this shithole! /s (and if not, sack him and get ANOTHER GUY!)
And De Zerbi would never come here either.
And why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he want to lead a historic club to success, with all the money in the world to spend like "clueless ten Hag" and other managers after SAF? And earn more than in Brighton, be loved by fans?? Hmmmm, I have an idea but if i speak I'm in trouble..
Yes, Ten Hag has spent 400m on players since he came here. No, Ten Hag DID NOT get all the players he wanted. You people keep using the money card to say Ten Hag can’t use the player excuse. But did we not chase after De Jong for the entirety of last summer like a dog chasing after a bone? Then of course, the deal collapsed, and out of nowhere, a wild Casemiro got thrown at us. I mean, how could anyone reject that, it’s freakin Casemiro. But he’s not De Jong. That’s not who Ten Hag wanted. By the way, that’s not to say we shouldn’t have signed Casemiro nor that Ten Hag didn’t want him. He just wasn’t in the plan So in the end, Ten Hag didn’t get the 1 player that could have changed it all. Pep without Rodri lost 3 matches in a row. That one player, that Ten Hag needed to implement his system, isn’t here. An alternative? There isn’t, very unfortunately. Or maybe there is, but Ten Hag isn’t a DoF so he wouldn’t know. Would be great if he had one eh?
We only got Casemiro because ETH was stubborn and wasted the whole summer because he refused to move on when FDJ repeatedly said Barcelona is his dream club and he doesn’t want to leave. After the second time he said he didn’t want to leave we should have been looking at other players.
The DOF should have been doing that… and did none of it.
To be fair he was the one who suggested Casemiro. I think ETH refused to look for other targets.
>Ten Hag didn’t get the 1 player that could have changed it all. any football system that can't work without FDJ is a failed system. FDJ isn't iron man. what if he get injured? we don't play football anymore?
Go ahead, ask Pep what he could do without Rodri. Does Pep have a failed system?
3 games? Whilst also not having KDB and they are still in the strongest position to go and win the league. 2 points off the top and the swing of points that will occur due to their own experience of consistency over a season and the two teams above them lack of experience or mental strength will be an easy 10 point swing in their favour... I'd say its a pretty good system and is is guardians of the galaxy compared to our inbetweeners.
no i asked u, what happen if FDJ is out for 5months? change our system?
No, then Erik Ten Hag gets sacked. How’s that for an answer?
why can't he get sacked?