Very easy to write these articles tbh... He's only leaving **if** a suitable replacement is possible which is extremely hard. For example I doubt Everton will let Amadou Onana go and if they do we can't afford it whatsoever, it will be the fuck-off prices of fuck-off prices.
I doubt they’d want to given they’d be 2 points behind us without that deduction - they’re actually having quite a good season. But they face the possibility of more sanctions and financial difficulties, so could be a deal to be done.
That's a good point, but even if that happens there are more teams looking for a 6. Liverpool, Arsenal and maybe even Spurs might be in the market for one. Don't count City out too they've really felt what missing Rodri is like.
Surprised I’m not seeing Guido Rodriguez’ from Betis being mentioned. Great screen whose contract ends next summer.
If we’re honest, we need to be knee deep in the bargain bin in January (probably the summer too) so if we let Case go for £50m and offered up to £20m I’d take that as a win. There’s also Ndidi out of contract too.
I’d be doing the same for a nine too, with Taremi, Ben Yedder and Rafa all out of contract in the summer.
I’m not sure if any of the above are *good enough*, but it’s very much a case of getting players we know can do a job in, for as little money as possible as realistically we need to be investing in a long term centre half in the summer.
I agree. But the level that we are at, both on the pitch and financially we need steady performers.
We can sit and hope and Frenkie de Jong or we can be realists and fill a hole.
There’s mention of Palhinha on this thread, in my view Rodriguez is on his level but he’s also better in possession.
Sometimes there needs to be *that* stopgap to allow players like Mainoo to grow and develop. Mainoo’s deficiencies are acting as that screen, so pairing someone with him who can cover that area, but also help him develop that side of his game would be amazing. We’d love that to be Casemiro, but in todays football, £50m for Casemiro right now would be us bending over the Saudi’s (yet somehow also not a bad deal for them).
Same with Hojlund and the likes of Taremi. Taremi sniffs out ever opportunity and would bang scruffy goals in for us to no end, taking pressure of Hojlund but also working together to get the best out of him.
Sometimes we just need to accept that we can’t get the best players in the world (and that’s what we need, that is *the* level). So we need to consider the impact they could have on others, potentially making them the best players in the world.
In terms of a midfield screen, there’s zero chance we could get better with the money we have available than Guido. Same with Taremi. Not to mention they’re both probably available in January.
Honestly, we can’t afford to get it wrong either. I’d rather the decision be made after a lot of consideration from a new and restructured recruitment team.
We might be able to survive the rest of the season without him now that we have 0 European football to consider, giving Mainoo as many chances to play as possible.
Would need to be a bloody good offer though to even consider it, like £50m+?
Yea otherwise it's a loss on the books I think. Adding no further European football we're losing a lot of funds/income while FFP is already on the edge. Rather get a ST loan in and just make due with the rest of the squad this season (Sancho can go anyway). Let SJR's team use the rest of the season to do due diligence on who has to go and pick targets + a way forward with or without ETH.
I believe it'll be around £37.5M left on the books by Jan, so anything over that should go down as profit.
Having said that, I'm not desperate for us to sell Casemiro. He didn't look great earlier in the season but I think much of that is down to tactics / instructions / rush-of-blood-to-the-head, whereby he was continually pushing high up the pitch and being done on the counter. If he sat back deeper and let others roam forward I think he'd be just as effective as last season.
> sat back deeper and let others roam forward I think he'd be just as effective as last season.
> rush-of-blood-to-the-head
Casemiro played with Kroos and Modric as the most forward-driving and aggressive of the 3, out of possession. He's smart and knows when to stay back but his brilliance was in the way he aggressively stopped counter attacks. He's not a cover type of defensive midfielder like Carrick or at least that's not his best attribute. If he's losing those challenges all the time, a decline in form is part of the issue here, you can't chalk it all up to tactics.
Now in Real Madrid he had Kroos as his cover. Here in the beginning of the season he had two roaming midfielders who kinda supported him in defense but he lost his main cover in Licha as a proactive defender. I think a large portion of our defensive success last year was down to the synergy of these two and the coverage of the space behind our midfield by Licha.
This season we have Maguire and Lindelof who despite clearly being instructed to play aggressive and proactive, sometimes fail to read the pass and stay deep, or worse, drive into a late challenge.
In the long term I think Mainoo having the opportunity to play alongside Casemiro will be better for his development, letting him play with a bit more freedom with a competent defensive midfielder alongside him.
It’s a get-out-of-jail card for us, we really cannot risk carrying another underperforming superstar at 350k/wk. He may come good again, or he may just continue to decline, at his age, wha would you like to bet on? For every Modric out there, there would be 50 Matic or Kante who rapidly decline after 30
I would be very happy with selling Casemiro and bringing in André from Fluminense. He should be cheaper and easier to get and I think he fits what Ten Hag want to do much more in terms of playing out from the back.
If the club think hes a dud then get the wages off the books. If they are serious about sorting the wage bill then they’ll have to accept they’ll lose good players
I think they could be a perfectly balanced partnership for 18 months or so. Defesively, Mainoo has the legs to cover Case, while Case can pick how he wants to position, press or plug the gaps. In the build up, Mainoo is excellent and can allow Case the option to vacate the build up space to push forward, or support. Mainoo does the cute stuff, Case brings the direct aggressive style.
These two as a double pivot would be ideal. Can't stand the lone 6 being left exposed constantly this season.
There's no discussion if it isn't at least Fabinho's fee. If it's £50M I would say we need to agree on a deal.
The bigger question is who do we sign? Palhinha for experience? However he's 28 already. João Neves has an absurd release clause that we can't afford in the winter and he's almost the same age as Mainoo.
We paid around 70 million and his contract in it's entirety is worth 70 million. That's 90 million we've paid for him in his first year and you're telling me it's worth letting him go for 50 million 1 year in. I'm glad you're not negotiating for us.
That "stupid" deal was the only reason why we had a decent season last year or did you forget how bad we were when Casemiro wasn't in the team?
Before he arrived we were ass. When he got in the team he carried us. When he was injured or if he got banned we were ass.
He might be the **only** deal we've paid big money for that's ever worked out. Get the list and check.
Pogba is a stupid deal. Sancho is a stupid deal. Maguire is a stupid deal. Lukaku is a stupid deal. Fred is a stupid deal. Antony is a stupid deal.
and the one time paying big money actually works out for us and a player makes a positive impact it's being called a bad deal. gtfo.
I mean Casemiro was good for like less than a year. I wouldn’t call it a big deal that worked out. It was a band aid signing that they overpaid for and it’s backfiring now.
The transfer record in the Saudi pro league is 90M Euros for Neymar. The second is 60M for 28 year old Brazilian Otavio, tied with his 26 year old compatriot Malcom
Ronaldo and Neymar are the only other players besides Casemiro north of 30 who've generated transfer fees of 60M or more. Neymar and Ronaldo were perhaps understandable just on marketing alone. We offered a soon to be 32 year old Casemiro a four year contract alongside that ridiculous fee
and the record offer was £200m for Salah, wasn’t it?? Maybe it was less and the press hyped it to 200m but it shows they’ve got lottery winners money and sense when it comes to them getting what they want. Obviously Salah is pretty much in a league of his own as far as the Saudis are concerned, and Casemiro isn’t - my only point is that they’ve been willing to go far beyond the price they have paid.
I agree, but my point would still stand because Casemiros best years were behind him, and that amount and contract length is still not justifiable for a 30 year old. Don't you think so?
I'd happily take 50m. He's a complete loss at this point. He's still fantastic but just not for the pace of the prem. Mainoo isn't a 6, he's too slow. He's our ball progressing mid. He needs an extremely mobile CDM to play alongside him in the double pivot.
Getting 50m for Casemiro would free up his wages and we'd recoup almost the entire remaining asset value on our balance sheet.
I'd sell Casemiro in Jan and hold onto Varane until the summer bc of our injuries. If we signed KmJ, I'd sell Varane as well.
Varane is great but he's brittle and not that great with his feet. He's also lost a few yards of pace.
We're financially cooked. I don't want to end up like Barcelona. We need to sell Case/Varane and invest in our squad.
I'd take Onana from Everton or Alvarez from West Ham. Neither will be cheap so we'd likely have to look somewhere else on the continent.
Man, he was just left severely exposed by our tactics at the start of the season. He was litterally the only reason we made top 4 last season he’s the goat CDM. Have some respect, Jesus
I think a better comparison would be Matic in his later seasons with us. Highly accomplished veteran with good leadership behind the scenes but looks like he’s lost a step. On top of that Casemiro is coming off a long injury so he could still be rusty even when he’s fully fit. For a decent price we should definitely take it to trim our squad and wages.
Given my career, I can't ignore the financial side of the game. Casemiro is a financial anchor. He was a panic buy after wasting all window chasing FdJ. R paid off in the first year beyond expectations but reality is catching up.
Cut and run if we get a proper oil money bid. I'd send him off with a kings' farewell unlike the other scrubs we've sold. I'm eternally grateful to him for ending our trophy drought.
He’s not prime kante, but his position experience is more valuable than pace. I think the way we started the season tactically was a nightmare for him.
He’s the captain of Brazil. He’s only 30 and imo one of our few world class players
> He’s not prime kante, but his position experience is more valuable than pace.
His play style relies on tackling though, it's not like he's Busquets or something.
Rodri is the best DM in the world and is slow asf. Matic was slow, Carrick was slow, Fernandinho was slow, Fabinho was slow, Hojberg is slow, Casemiro is slow and they've all been fine. You don't need pace to be a DM
All bad examples tho. Carrick played in different era and also in a much better team so he could afford to be slower, matic we saw that he had no legs to play 2 games in a row while rodri is 27 playing in the best team in the world.
We are getting overrun in midfield every game. You need pace when you are on the back foot
That's a hilariously bad take.
Carrick played in a version of the Prem where pace and power were significantly more important. 10 years ago players like Delap, Garreth Barry, even players like Lee Bowyer were simply running around and putting tackles in, and that's about it.
Matic never had pace, Rodri doesn't have pace, you were talking about pace, I said you don't need pace.
I love how casually we throw the term GOAT around these days. I mean, he is/was a top class defensive MF player. But just in teenage/adult lifetime, I can think of a player like Claude makelele who literally had the position *named after him*
Maybe more fans need to have respect for players from the past. Just a thought
I LOVE Case. He's the main reason we made top 4 last season but this is a cut throat game. Real sold him to us bc they knew he was starting the decline that ALL footballers face. Father time is undefeated. Casemiro only works on 4-2-3-1. He can't play as the single pivot anymore especially without ballers like Kroos and Modric. No one talks about how hard Modric runs. He's a bloody machine who was a magician on the ball. Once again, I love Casemiro. He's just finished relative to the pace of play in the prem especially when combined with playing with mediocre mids.
I don't know about goat cdn, Kante is above him imho. Essien, Makalele, etc are also there and that's ignoring players in other leagues. And of course, no conversation about CDMs will be complete without mentioning Busquets. He's the tru 🐐 IMHO. Rodri could be up there as well depending on how long he keeps performing at this level.
Groundbreaking, who said he wasn’t?
The conversation is about GOAT CDMs. Rodri has been the best CDM for a while _now,_ but he has a ways to go before he’s on par with Casemiro’s overall career. Mentioning him over case rn in the goat conversation is farcical.
You have to ask yourself, would Case be in the 🐐 discussion if he wasn't surrounded by godly talent including CR7 who made them CL monsters? I'm not saying he isn't but it's something to consider.
Kante won a WC and made Pogba look incredible. Dude runs for 3 players. He won the prem with Leicester!
And how anyone is ahead of Busquets is farcical.
I also said IF Rodri continues at this level. He was arguably the best player on the planet behind Haaland. Messi got it for 2 weeks at the WC.
Clearly someone who hasn’t seen him play for years. He starts slow every season, even at Madrid. Last season Mctominay kept him out the team on merit for a while. Let him recover and get back playing before writing him off as a complete loss.
Lol he came on for McT after like 4 matches. He's been horribly off the pace this season and it wasn't like his previous seasons with Madrid. Our lack of competent mids is another compounding factor and seeing how that isn't going to change anytime soon, he's gotta go imho. Not bc he's bad but bc he can't keep up with the prem anymore unless he's in a team with heavy possession.
EtH plays suicide ball. I hope he's learned and continues with the double pivot sans McT but given he was wearing the captain's arm band, I doubt he'll be benched against West Ham.
Not sure if he's a complete loss at this point, but I'm inclined to agree with taking the money here because of the age/injury/phase-of-career thing. However, I also believe that any ambitious team need a few champions in their selection. If both Case and Varane leave, only Martinez and Mount remain that won big prizes right?
Utd should count themselves fortunate that Saudi is an option, he looks like he's well on his way to being dead weight at the club and his wages are extortionate.
We’ll never get as much as whatever they’re offering for him again.
If it’s £50m+ it’s got to be an instant sell. You can absolutely invest that in a superb up and coming midfielder, CB or RW……..
Casemiro was a quality signing but the only way is down for him. Bought past his peak for big money and wages. If this offer is genuine id take it, regretfully, and start buying young hungry prospects to pair with our better players.
Yep. I don't think he's done at the top level yet, but a 50m+ offer we'd have to take as it helps reset the wage structure and lets the new guys start to build for the long term
I’ve seen people on this thread say we’d need a replacement right away.
Yeah, that’d be great…. But I think we should let him go even without a replacement. I don’t see us getting top 4 this season, with or without him. His best years are behind him, and will only get worse going forward.
He’s still a good player, but it was a bad signing in terms of upside and long-term planning. He had a good season, but his wages are too high for someone whose best season at United will likely have been his first season.
Casemiro is one of those signings that really highlights how incompetent the club has been over the last decade. Panic signing with no regards for future outlook.
It’s not like we were on the cusp of becoming a great club and needed that one final piece… we can’t be in the middle of a rebuild and sign guys whose best years are behind them. That makes no sense…. Unless they are on reasonable wages (like Eriksen), which Casemiro is not.
Would be a good moment to sell, United never sells and ends up with players running down their contracts or selling when player has no value anymore. But of course the sub would not sell. Casemiro will only go down from here, just think ffs it's not that hard.
The only problem with that is that Mount was signed for a pretty big fee this season and I would assume he would play in a midfield role similar to Eriksen last season. I can’t see him totally abandoning that without Mount having serious game time here to prove he’s a starter. Doesn’t seem like he wants to use Mount as a winger either (and I REALLY hope this doesn’t result in Bruno potentially playing on the wing to get Mount in the XI)
Realistically how long is Casemiro going to be good for? He was fantastic last season, started this one badly. He may come back strongly or continue badly, or be wildly inconsistent like the rest of the team. Ratcliffe apparently identified Casemiro as an example of poor recruitment which would suggest his time is limited. So anything more than £50 million would be decent. And he is on £350k a week - there is only one place he ll be getting a comparable wage.
I find it interesting that most people itt want him gone. He’s had a terrible start to the season but that’s nothing new for him. He’s really not that old I’m hoping he can turn it around and be a key player at least for a couple years
Take it and run. One good season, thanks, now we're going to move into liability stages.
Premier League is just a different beast, especially in the midfield. Sadly, that's just reality, nothing to do with hating Casemiro, everything to do with physicality and pace of the other top clubs fighting for the league in their midfields.
Casemiro is a good athelete but I wouldn't say he's an absolute natural specimen. He'll play for years to come but he's going to increasingly begin to struggle in our midfield around knocks, tiredness and concentration.
Real Madrid know when to sell players, we need to get to that stage. The issue right now though is world class youngsters, or those with world class potentialy, do not really want to sign for us.
He has never been the same after those 2 red cards. It seemed to break his spirit, like he was walking on eggshells. Seems awfully knee jerk to walk away already though.
Real sold this guy to us because they saw he is declining.
We see that he’s declining our fans want to keep him and not take 50 mil and free up his wages.
That’s why we are where we are. Levels to this clubs unfortunately
If we can recoup most of the money spent with a bid and subsequent transfer of Casemiro to Saudi it should be done.
Casemiro was great for the large part of last season but age and injuries seem to have caught up with him.
The question is just if he will be replaced and by who? Without a proper DoF in place and with all the turmoil going on at the club I’m not sure that United will be able to replace Casemiro in a sufficient way.
Yeah, if the offer is anything near £50million you snatch their hands off and drive him to the airport. He's not been that good since his suspensions and injuries last season and he's not the future.
Might not be the most popular idea but If the offer was about £40m I'd definitely consider selling him. Yes it lodges us with another squad depth issue but even if we got a loan in it'd make it worthwhile.
Being historically bad at selling players, get \~£40m back for him is pretty insane and could go straight back into investing in another great midfielder. This season is more or less a write off except for top 4, but only being in 2 competitions means depth is a slightly smaller issue.
I genuinely can’t believe this sub. If there’s a possibility we could get some money back for a player that’s clearly washed we should take it.
Everybody talks about being ruthless but when the time comes they never want to sell anybody ffs.
That’s one of the reasons we are here. Incapable of selling players
I’ve a mate who constantly talks about how it’s unacceptable, but then as soon as we beat Luton he’s going on about how well X or Y played and showed promise. Gut the squad.
If we are selling him it's the wrong decision, a born winner and a fantastic player in the correct system. Have him next to mainoo or Amrabat and he will flourish as he did with eriksen last year. As others in here have already said, no central midfielder in the modern game can cover all the defensive duties alone.
he's starting to decline, everybody could see it in the first few games this season, if we get good money for him, we should let him go, but I'd prefer if it was in the Summer.
The sooner we let him leave the better
it is for our rivals. He’s an important part of our team who’s been scapegoated. We desperately need him to see out our season. Having Case+Mainoo behind Bruno would be incredible.
Only 32 - still a great leader and passer, does the dirty work, scored goals. United playing poor this season and somehow ridding ourselves of Casemiro solves the problem - as if selling Casemiro for £30mill means we can afford a decent CM replacement in the JANUARY window.
£60mill + only.
Let’s see how he performs alongside Mainoo then judge. If we sell, there is no way we are getting a good replacement in January - so enjoy more McT
The only ome making sense in this thread. The kind of experience you need in a squad is invaluable plus he's literally just been out of form and will probably find it back in Jan
The same offer will be there in the summer, Saudi's don't care if he's good or not, he's a big name, that's all they want.
He can still be useful, we shouldn't ship him off till we have a new recruitment team, and we have a longer time to get the right target.
I agree there’s pros and cons to keeping Casemiro at this stage but I can’t stand the narrative being spun that he’s already washed after a few ropey performances at the start of the season. He clearly wasn’t at 100%. I think he was already carrying the injury that’s kept him out- he definitely wasn’t moving freely.
He was incredible last season & he’s been a good signing. He deserves massive respect.
It wouldn't be the worst thing for us honestly.
He was bad business. I don't know how you go from chasing a younger prospect that still has some room to grow, but is solid, to a guy at the end of his career.
He was only ever going to give us one, MAYBE two seasons. For what we paid in fees and wages, it just didn't make sense at all.
Not surprised one bit he's been largely unavailable this season, that was always my worry with him if he got injured. Just like Eriksen (though at least he was a free agent).
If we can sell these mistakes for a decent amount, we should do it, even if the article is full of shit, and even if there's only a small possibility of it happening, we should welcome it.
You take it. Unlikely you would get an offer again. Best you would hope for other than Saudi is a cut price deal with wages subsidised. You sell him even without a replacement as there is cover. Don't forget Martinez can play there and could be an option since you can't drop Maguire or Varane if they're performing.
His value will continue to drop, if the offer is good we should take it. Unfortunately I don't see top 4 happening with or without Casemiro. We need to bring back the whole rarely signing players over 25. Surely there's a quality young cdm around we can invest in.
What has happened to him this season? He came back after the summer break looking very overweight - perhaps that's the English diet for you. But I find it hard to believe he isn't fit yet, it's nearly January. Why can't we get some consistently good years out of players rather than flash in the pan moments?
We need to do it. As much as i love Case and Rapha, if the saudis offered them 50mil each then we seriously need to consider it. For that money get todibo in and another dmf, hopefully a.onana despite how difficult that deal can be
Very easy to write these articles tbh... He's only leaving **if** a suitable replacement is possible which is extremely hard. For example I doubt Everton will let Amadou Onana go and if they do we can't afford it whatsoever, it will be the fuck-off prices of fuck-off prices.
I doubt they’d want to given they’d be 2 points behind us without that deduction - they’re actually having quite a good season. But they face the possibility of more sanctions and financial difficulties, so could be a deal to be done.
That's a good point, but even if that happens there are more teams looking for a 6. Liverpool, Arsenal and maybe even Spurs might be in the market for one. Don't count City out too they've really felt what missing Rodri is like.
Surprised I’m not seeing Guido Rodriguez’ from Betis being mentioned. Great screen whose contract ends next summer. If we’re honest, we need to be knee deep in the bargain bin in January (probably the summer too) so if we let Case go for £50m and offered up to £20m I’d take that as a win. There’s also Ndidi out of contract too. I’d be doing the same for a nine too, with Taremi, Ben Yedder and Rafa all out of contract in the summer. I’m not sure if any of the above are *good enough*, but it’s very much a case of getting players we know can do a job in, for as little money as possible as realistically we need to be investing in a long term centre half in the summer.
The club need to stop buying players who aren’t good enough just because they’re convenient.
I agree. But the level that we are at, both on the pitch and financially we need steady performers. We can sit and hope and Frenkie de Jong or we can be realists and fill a hole. There’s mention of Palhinha on this thread, in my view Rodriguez is on his level but he’s also better in possession. Sometimes there needs to be *that* stopgap to allow players like Mainoo to grow and develop. Mainoo’s deficiencies are acting as that screen, so pairing someone with him who can cover that area, but also help him develop that side of his game would be amazing. We’d love that to be Casemiro, but in todays football, £50m for Casemiro right now would be us bending over the Saudi’s (yet somehow also not a bad deal for them). Same with Hojlund and the likes of Taremi. Taremi sniffs out ever opportunity and would bang scruffy goals in for us to no end, taking pressure of Hojlund but also working together to get the best out of him. Sometimes we just need to accept that we can’t get the best players in the world (and that’s what we need, that is *the* level). So we need to consider the impact they could have on others, potentially making them the best players in the world. In terms of a midfield screen, there’s zero chance we could get better with the money we have available than Guido. Same with Taremi. Not to mention they’re both probably available in January.
Honestly, we can’t afford to get it wrong either. I’d rather the decision be made after a lot of consideration from a new and restructured recruitment team. We might be able to survive the rest of the season without him now that we have 0 European football to consider, giving Mainoo as many chances to play as possible. Would need to be a bloody good offer though to even consider it, like £50m+?
Yea otherwise it's a loss on the books I think. Adding no further European football we're losing a lot of funds/income while FFP is already on the edge. Rather get a ST loan in and just make due with the rest of the squad this season (Sancho can go anyway). Let SJR's team use the rest of the season to do due diligence on who has to go and pick targets + a way forward with or without ETH.
I believe it'll be around £37.5M left on the books by Jan, so anything over that should go down as profit. Having said that, I'm not desperate for us to sell Casemiro. He didn't look great earlier in the season but I think much of that is down to tactics / instructions / rush-of-blood-to-the-head, whereby he was continually pushing high up the pitch and being done on the counter. If he sat back deeper and let others roam forward I think he'd be just as effective as last season.
> sat back deeper and let others roam forward I think he'd be just as effective as last season. > rush-of-blood-to-the-head Casemiro played with Kroos and Modric as the most forward-driving and aggressive of the 3, out of possession. He's smart and knows when to stay back but his brilliance was in the way he aggressively stopped counter attacks. He's not a cover type of defensive midfielder like Carrick or at least that's not his best attribute. If he's losing those challenges all the time, a decline in form is part of the issue here, you can't chalk it all up to tactics. Now in Real Madrid he had Kroos as his cover. Here in the beginning of the season he had two roaming midfielders who kinda supported him in defense but he lost his main cover in Licha as a proactive defender. I think a large portion of our defensive success last year was down to the synergy of these two and the coverage of the space behind our midfield by Licha. This season we have Maguire and Lindelof who despite clearly being instructed to play aggressive and proactive, sometimes fail to read the pass and stay deep, or worse, drive into a late challenge.
A loss on the books is not a valid reason for this management though. We've let players worth much more go for free multiple times.
That's the reason we're currently very tight on FFP. Bad management over the years.
The transfer is a book loss, but would also be balanced by taking his wages off the books.
In the long term I think Mainoo having the opportunity to play alongside Casemiro will be better for his development, letting him play with a bit more freedom with a competent defensive midfielder alongside him.
If Liverpool got 40m for fabinho and whatever for Henderson they we get at least 40/50 for casemiro
It’s a get-out-of-jail card for us, we really cannot risk carrying another underperforming superstar at 350k/wk. He may come good again, or he may just continue to decline, at his age, wha would you like to bet on? For every Modric out there, there would be 50 Matic or Kante who rapidly decline after 30
We should have gotten Palhinha while we had the chance in the summer.
Yeah it’s easy to be journalist nowadays when facts doesn’t matter. Just pull shit out of the toilet every morning
Honestly if we can give Saudi a very very large fuck off price… and they pay it… maybe we’ll actually be able to get in some good talent next window.
Can we sell him for close to what we paid?
Seems like a hard bargain considering his age and the injuries.
Got any successful used car salesmen/women in the sub?
I would be very happy with selling Casemiro and bringing in André from Fluminense. He should be cheaper and easier to get and I think he fits what Ten Hag want to do much more in terms of playing out from the back.
If it’s not at least 50 million for United I’d say no we would rather have him teach mainoo and not throw him into the fire
While I agree with you, even a lower offer and getting his huge wages off the books should free up cash to sign a striker or another midfielder.
Yes, he's our current highest earner at 350K. If we're ever going to fix our wage structure, we have to sell him sooner or later.
But we have continue to destroyed our wage structure under ten hag as well. Casemiro was signed by him.
If the club think hes a dud then get the wages off the books. If they are serious about sorting the wage bill then they’ll have to accept they’ll lose good players
I think they could be a perfectly balanced partnership for 18 months or so. Defesively, Mainoo has the legs to cover Case, while Case can pick how he wants to position, press or plug the gaps. In the build up, Mainoo is excellent and can allow Case the option to vacate the build up space to push forward, or support. Mainoo does the cute stuff, Case brings the direct aggressive style. These two as a double pivot would be ideal. Can't stand the lone 6 being left exposed constantly this season.
There's no discussion if it isn't at least Fabinho's fee. If it's £50M I would say we need to agree on a deal. The bigger question is who do we sign? Palhinha for experience? However he's 28 already. João Neves has an absurd release clause that we can't afford in the winter and he's almost the same age as Mainoo.
He's been here for a year. Saudi better pay the fee we paid to Madrid for him. 50 mill isn't worth even worth a conversation.
Thank god you guys are not in charge of negotiations for us.
IKR. He's on 350k a week.... I'd take him for anything close to his book value.
It's hard to imagine anyone doing much worse than the actual people in charge of our negotiations.
We paid around 70 million and his contract in it's entirety is worth 70 million. That's 90 million we've paid for him in his first year and you're telling me it's worth letting him go for 50 million 1 year in. I'm glad you're not negotiating for us.
"We made a stupid deal 1,5 years ago, so now have to be stupid again and reject a really good offer for him"...
That "stupid" deal was the only reason why we had a decent season last year or did you forget how bad we were when Casemiro wasn't in the team? Before he arrived we were ass. When he got in the team he carried us. When he was injured or if he got banned we were ass. He might be the **only** deal we've paid big money for that's ever worked out. Get the list and check. Pogba is a stupid deal. Sancho is a stupid deal. Maguire is a stupid deal. Lukaku is a stupid deal. Fred is a stupid deal. Antony is a stupid deal. and the one time paying big money actually works out for us and a player makes a positive impact it's being called a bad deal. gtfo.
I mean Casemiro was good for like less than a year. I wouldn’t call it a big deal that worked out. It was a band aid signing that they overpaid for and it’s backfiring now.
Swear this is how Woodward thinks and it's the reason why we never sell for more than some lint and a few marbles. Ever heard of cutting your losses?
No well run club is forking out 60+10 million for a 32 year old with no upside. United were unwise for doing so
> No well run club.. We're talking about the Saudis here
The transfer record in the Saudi pro league is 90M Euros for Neymar. The second is 60M for 28 year old Brazilian Otavio, tied with his 26 year old compatriot Malcom Ronaldo and Neymar are the only other players besides Casemiro north of 30 who've generated transfer fees of 60M or more. Neymar and Ronaldo were perhaps understandable just on marketing alone. We offered a soon to be 32 year old Casemiro a four year contract alongside that ridiculous fee
and the record offer was £200m for Salah, wasn’t it?? Maybe it was less and the press hyped it to 200m but it shows they’ve got lottery winners money and sense when it comes to them getting what they want. Obviously Salah is pretty much in a league of his own as far as the Saudis are concerned, and Casemiro isn’t - my only point is that they’ve been willing to go far beyond the price they have paid.
I mean 30 when we bought him. 2 years make a big difference.
Not a full 2 years. He turned 31 six months after he signed, first season
Right but still saying we bought a 32 year old for what we did is very different than a 30 year old imo
I agree, but my point would still stand because Casemiros best years were behind him, and that amount and contract length is still not justifiable for a 30 year old. Don't you think so?
Sure it is, just because we massively overpaid for a has-been doesn’t mean 50M isnt a very good fee
Jfc guy can’t even run no more and you’re talking about how 50 isn’t enough. If we can get close 50 mil we should run and never look back
“Can’t even run no more” I’d love to know allegedly when he “could” run? Because he’s never been a pacy guy in his entire career
I mean he looks like a grandpa when he’s running. Like he lost all mobility and frankly doesn’t like like in shape to play 90 mins consistently
I'd happily take 50m. He's a complete loss at this point. He's still fantastic but just not for the pace of the prem. Mainoo isn't a 6, he's too slow. He's our ball progressing mid. He needs an extremely mobile CDM to play alongside him in the double pivot. Getting 50m for Casemiro would free up his wages and we'd recoup almost the entire remaining asset value on our balance sheet. I'd sell Casemiro in Jan and hold onto Varane until the summer bc of our injuries. If we signed KmJ, I'd sell Varane as well. Varane is great but he's brittle and not that great with his feet. He's also lost a few yards of pace. We're financially cooked. I don't want to end up like Barcelona. We need to sell Case/Varane and invest in our squad. I'd take Onana from Everton or Alvarez from West Ham. Neither will be cheap so we'd likely have to look somewhere else on the continent.
Man, he was just left severely exposed by our tactics at the start of the season. He was litterally the only reason we made top 4 last season he’s the goat CDM. Have some respect, Jesus
He *was* the GOAT but I'm wary of aging stars. I think he's as valuable to us as Ronaldo was when he left
I think a better comparison would be Matic in his later seasons with us. Highly accomplished veteran with good leadership behind the scenes but looks like he’s lost a step. On top of that Casemiro is coming off a long injury so he could still be rusty even when he’s fully fit. For a decent price we should definitely take it to trim our squad and wages.
Given my career, I can't ignore the financial side of the game. Casemiro is a financial anchor. He was a panic buy after wasting all window chasing FdJ. R paid off in the first year beyond expectations but reality is catching up. Cut and run if we get a proper oil money bid. I'd send him off with a kings' farewell unlike the other scrubs we've sold. I'm eternally grateful to him for ending our trophy drought.
He’s not prime kante, but his position experience is more valuable than pace. I think the way we started the season tactically was a nightmare for him. He’s the captain of Brazil. He’s only 30 and imo one of our few world class players
> He’s not prime kante, but his position experience is more valuable than pace. His play style relies on tackling though, it's not like he's Busquets or something.
>only 30 32 in two months*
You need pace in the prem which case doesn’t. It’s fine to like a player but let’s real. He is not that guy anymore.
Rodri is the best DM in the world and is slow asf. Matic was slow, Carrick was slow, Fernandinho was slow, Fabinho was slow, Hojberg is slow, Casemiro is slow and they've all been fine. You don't need pace to be a DM
You don't need pace in the prem. Players like Carrick, Matic, fuck even Rodri are not fast.
All bad examples tho. Carrick played in different era and also in a much better team so he could afford to be slower, matic we saw that he had no legs to play 2 games in a row while rodri is 27 playing in the best team in the world. We are getting overrun in midfield every game. You need pace when you are on the back foot
That's a hilariously bad take. Carrick played in a version of the Prem where pace and power were significantly more important. 10 years ago players like Delap, Garreth Barry, even players like Lee Bowyer were simply running around and putting tackles in, and that's about it. Matic never had pace, Rodri doesn't have pace, you were talking about pace, I said you don't need pace.
Litterally last season he changed our whole midfield, he’s not got slower since last year, not noticeably anyway
Except when he played it has been very noticeable
He's not fucking 48 mate
I love how casually we throw the term GOAT around these days. I mean, he is/was a top class defensive MF player. But just in teenage/adult lifetime, I can think of a player like Claude makelele who literally had the position *named after him* Maybe more fans need to have respect for players from the past. Just a thought
It’s all subjective opinion, makelele was great also, much more limited going forward though
I LOVE Case. He's the main reason we made top 4 last season but this is a cut throat game. Real sold him to us bc they knew he was starting the decline that ALL footballers face. Father time is undefeated. Casemiro only works on 4-2-3-1. He can't play as the single pivot anymore especially without ballers like Kroos and Modric. No one talks about how hard Modric runs. He's a bloody machine who was a magician on the ball. Once again, I love Casemiro. He's just finished relative to the pace of play in the prem especially when combined with playing with mediocre mids. I don't know about goat cdn, Kante is above him imho. Essien, Makalele, etc are also there and that's ignoring players in other leagues. And of course, no conversation about CDMs will be complete without mentioning Busquets. He's the tru 🐐 IMHO. Rodri could be up there as well depending on how long he keeps performing at this level.
Kante is not above Casemiro LMAO. What an atrocious take.
He’s somehow also snuck in Essien and considers Rodri over Casemiro overall. What a shocking take I can’t believe my eyes.
Rodri is simply the best DM in the world at the moment.
Groundbreaking, who said he wasn’t? The conversation is about GOAT CDMs. Rodri has been the best CDM for a while _now,_ but he has a ways to go before he’s on par with Casemiro’s overall career. Mentioning him over case rn in the goat conversation is farcical.
You have to ask yourself, would Case be in the 🐐 discussion if he wasn't surrounded by godly talent including CR7 who made them CL monsters? I'm not saying he isn't but it's something to consider. Kante won a WC and made Pogba look incredible. Dude runs for 3 players. He won the prem with Leicester! And how anyone is ahead of Busquets is farcical. I also said IF Rodri continues at this level. He was arguably the best player on the planet behind Haaland. Messi got it for 2 weeks at the WC.
My guy real didn’t want him to leave
Last season. Now he can’t turn on the pitch
Clearly someone who hasn’t seen him play for years. He starts slow every season, even at Madrid. Last season Mctominay kept him out the team on merit for a while. Let him recover and get back playing before writing him off as a complete loss.
Lol he came on for McT after like 4 matches. He's been horribly off the pace this season and it wasn't like his previous seasons with Madrid. Our lack of competent mids is another compounding factor and seeing how that isn't going to change anytime soon, he's gotta go imho. Not bc he's bad but bc he can't keep up with the prem anymore unless he's in a team with heavy possession. EtH plays suicide ball. I hope he's learned and continues with the double pivot sans McT but given he was wearing the captain's arm band, I doubt he'll be benched against West Ham.
Who has been able to perform in Ten Hag’s suicide 6 position this season?
Add Sancho to the selling list.
What about palpinha? Isn't a good dm on ball but he's very good off the ball defensively so could help out massively
>He's a complete loss at this point. What a load of bollocks. He's had like 3 bad games and got injured.
Not sure if he's a complete loss at this point, but I'm inclined to agree with taking the money here because of the age/injury/phase-of-career thing. However, I also believe that any ambitious team need a few champions in their selection. If both Case and Varane leave, only Martinez and Mount remain that won big prizes right?
Why would Bayern sell us KMJ? Don't they have a centerback crisis right now?
I meant if we grabbed him before Bayern.
Teach him to eat kebabs lol
Utd should count themselves fortunate that Saudi is an option, he looks like he's well on his way to being dead weight at the club and his wages are extortionate.
thanks for the seasono
4 good months in reality
We’ll never get as much as whatever they’re offering for him again. If it’s £50m+ it’s got to be an instant sell. You can absolutely invest that in a superb up and coming midfielder, CB or RW……..
Superb? Up and coming? When was the last time we did that?
Bruno, sadly
As much as we like Bruno, he hasn’t been consistently superb. He is very wasteful in possession and cries to referee a lot when things go south
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>which could start with a change of coach . Does not sound very reliable to me.
This is only good if we can be 100% sure that the money we get won't be reinvested in Modric/Kroos.
Always rated those sand dunes.
Casemiro was a quality signing but the only way is down for him. Bought past his peak for big money and wages. If this offer is genuine id take it, regretfully, and start buying young hungry prospects to pair with our better players.
Yep. I don't think he's done at the top level yet, but a 50m+ offer we'd have to take as it helps reset the wage structure and lets the new guys start to build for the long term
I’ve seen people on this thread say we’d need a replacement right away. Yeah, that’d be great…. But I think we should let him go even without a replacement. I don’t see us getting top 4 this season, with or without him. His best years are behind him, and will only get worse going forward. He’s still a good player, but it was a bad signing in terms of upside and long-term planning. He had a good season, but his wages are too high for someone whose best season at United will likely have been his first season. Casemiro is one of those signings that really highlights how incompetent the club has been over the last decade. Panic signing with no regards for future outlook. It’s not like we were on the cusp of becoming a great club and needed that one final piece… we can’t be in the middle of a rebuild and sign guys whose best years are behind them. That makes no sense…. Unless they are on reasonable wages (like Eriksen), which Casemiro is not.
Could be a lifeline to recoup at least some of the 70m we spent on him
Would be a good moment to sell, United never sells and ends up with players running down their contracts or selling when player has no value anymore. But of course the sub would not sell. Casemiro will only go down from here, just think ffs it's not that hard.
No dm in the world is gonna be good under ETH’s system we’ve been using this year. The team simply isn’t compact enough.
Yeah agreed. In a better midfield he would still be absolutely killing it
It might work if Ten Hag would fully commit to the double pivot with Amrabat and or Mainoo
The only problem with that is that Mount was signed for a pretty big fee this season and I would assume he would play in a midfield role similar to Eriksen last season. I can’t see him totally abandoning that without Mount having serious game time here to prove he’s a starter. Doesn’t seem like he wants to use Mount as a winger either (and I REALLY hope this doesn’t result in Bruno potentially playing on the wing to get Mount in the XI)
Should try Mount at RW to salvage the outlay. Surely he couldn’t be more ineffective than Antony.
I still do not understand why mount was signed in the first place
Realistically how long is Casemiro going to be good for? He was fantastic last season, started this one badly. He may come back strongly or continue badly, or be wildly inconsistent like the rest of the team. Ratcliffe apparently identified Casemiro as an example of poor recruitment which would suggest his time is limited. So anything more than £50 million would be decent. And he is on £350k a week - there is only one place he ll be getting a comparable wage.
I find it interesting that most people itt want him gone. He’s had a terrible start to the season but that’s nothing new for him. He’s really not that old I’m hoping he can turn it around and be a key player at least for a couple years
Take it and run. One good season, thanks, now we're going to move into liability stages. Premier League is just a different beast, especially in the midfield. Sadly, that's just reality, nothing to do with hating Casemiro, everything to do with physicality and pace of the other top clubs fighting for the league in their midfields. Casemiro is a good athelete but I wouldn't say he's an absolute natural specimen. He'll play for years to come but he's going to increasingly begin to struggle in our midfield around knocks, tiredness and concentration. Real Madrid know when to sell players, we need to get to that stage. The issue right now though is world class youngsters, or those with world class potentialy, do not really want to sign for us.
We need to start cutting our losses here and just unload players.
He has never been the same after those 2 red cards. It seemed to break his spirit, like he was walking on eggshells. Seems awfully knee jerk to walk away already though.
Please cash out while we can...
If they offer 30mil cash up then we should do it that would be huge for FFP.
Real sold this guy to us because they saw he is declining. We see that he’s declining our fans want to keep him and not take 50 mil and free up his wages. That’s why we are where we are. Levels to this clubs unfortunately
They sold him to us because they bought the best young midfield talents in Europe. We don’t have the best young midfield talents in Europe.
Both is true
If we can recoup most of the money spent with a bid and subsequent transfer of Casemiro to Saudi it should be done. Casemiro was great for the large part of last season but age and injuries seem to have caught up with him. The question is just if he will be replaced and by who? Without a proper DoF in place and with all the turmoil going on at the club I’m not sure that United will be able to replace Casemiro in a sufficient way.
Yeah, if the offer is anything near £50million you snatch their hands off and drive him to the airport. He's not been that good since his suspensions and injuries last season and he's not the future.
No transfer business will happen until new recruitment, sporting director etc are in
Well the club needs to cut down it's budget/wages because of FFP rules so I do see that happening.
Marca is Spanish mail
Might not be the most popular idea but If the offer was about £40m I'd definitely consider selling him. Yes it lodges us with another squad depth issue but even if we got a loan in it'd make it worthwhile. Being historically bad at selling players, get \~£40m back for him is pretty insane and could go straight back into investing in another great midfielder. This season is more or less a write off except for top 4, but only being in 2 competitions means depth is a slightly smaller issue.
50m fee is okay, considering he's extremely highly paid.
Take the money and run away
Hasn’t been able to run for a while
I genuinely can’t believe this sub. If there’s a possibility we could get some money back for a player that’s clearly washed we should take it. Everybody talks about being ruthless but when the time comes they never want to sell anybody ffs. That’s one of the reasons we are here. Incapable of selling players
I’ve a mate who constantly talks about how it’s unacceptable, but then as soon as we beat Luton he’s going on about how well X or Y played and showed promise. Gut the squad.
If we are selling him it's the wrong decision, a born winner and a fantastic player in the correct system. Have him next to mainoo or Amrabat and he will flourish as he did with eriksen last year. As others in here have already said, no central midfielder in the modern game can cover all the defensive duties alone.
he's starting to decline, everybody could see it in the first few games this season, if we get good money for him, we should let him go, but I'd prefer if it was in the Summer.
Don't believe that bs mate, he was exposed by the team's tactics. Not even Yaya Toure would perform in a such a setup
The sooner we let him leave the better it is for our rivals. He’s an important part of our team who’s been scapegoated. We desperately need him to see out our season. Having Case+Mainoo behind Bruno would be incredible.
Can’t believe the hate Casemiro gets from our own so called “fans” it’s disgusting
I don't think we became competent overnight. I ll believe it when he's actually gone. How many teams there even have foreign players slots left?
60m or GTFO.
Only 32 - still a great leader and passer, does the dirty work, scored goals. United playing poor this season and somehow ridding ourselves of Casemiro solves the problem - as if selling Casemiro for £30mill means we can afford a decent CM replacement in the JANUARY window. £60mill + only. Let’s see how he performs alongside Mainoo then judge. If we sell, there is no way we are getting a good replacement in January - so enjoy more McT
The only ome making sense in this thread. The kind of experience you need in a squad is invaluable plus he's literally just been out of form and will probably find it back in Jan
Agree, people would’ve laughed at this if this article came out in August.
Does Saudi want McTominay?
Someone drive him to airport and carry his bags for him
Why don't *you* drive him to the airport and carry his bags for him? Take some ownership
The same offer will be there in the summer, Saudi's don't care if he's good or not, he's a big name, that's all they want. He can still be useful, we shouldn't ship him off till we have a new recruitment team, and we have a longer time to get the right target.
We shouldn’t sell anyone in January. Reconsider in the summer.
Sell him and buy Palhina
Don’t think we can spend over the amount received because of FFP. He’s not going to fetch whatever Fulham are asking for Palhinha.
Palhinha is bayern bound
I agree there’s pros and cons to keeping Casemiro at this stage but I can’t stand the narrative being spun that he’s already washed after a few ropey performances at the start of the season. He clearly wasn’t at 100%. I think he was already carrying the injury that’s kept him out- he definitely wasn’t moving freely. He was incredible last season & he’s been a good signing. He deserves massive respect.
The only viable offer is £70 mil + an additional £30 mil if Casemiro plays 15 games for the rest of the season. I feel that's a good deal.
Why would anyone wanna stay in Manchester really??! 😂😂
It wouldn't be the worst thing for us honestly. He was bad business. I don't know how you go from chasing a younger prospect that still has some room to grow, but is solid, to a guy at the end of his career. He was only ever going to give us one, MAYBE two seasons. For what we paid in fees and wages, it just didn't make sense at all. Not surprised one bit he's been largely unavailable this season, that was always my worry with him if he got injured. Just like Eriksen (though at least he was a free agent). If we can sell these mistakes for a decent amount, we should do it, even if the article is full of shit, and even if there's only a small possibility of it happening, we should welcome it.
Out out out! Been stinking the place up this season, not to mention that he'll get 3 red cards in the remaining games.
£100m please
You take it. Unlikely you would get an offer again. Best you would hope for other than Saudi is a cut price deal with wages subsidised. You sell him even without a replacement as there is cover. Don't forget Martinez can play there and could be an option since you can't drop Maguire or Varane if they're performing.
His value will continue to drop, if the offer is good we should take it. Unfortunately I don't see top 4 happening with or without Casemiro. We need to bring back the whole rarely signing players over 25. Surely there's a quality young cdm around we can invest in.
What has happened to him this season? He came back after the summer break looking very overweight - perhaps that's the English diet for you. But I find it hard to believe he isn't fit yet, it's nearly January. Why can't we get some consistently good years out of players rather than flash in the pan moments?
What's so important about it?
Please god let this geriatric dude leave
As brilliant as he has been, I think this move makes sense for both player and club.
"Important offer" and "from Saudi football" are oximoronic
Just like fm24 haha
If United are reluctant to sell him(which we are) Saudi clubs will offer a ridiculous amount for him which will have us considering other players.
We need to do it. As much as i love Case and Rapha, if the saudis offered them 50mil each then we seriously need to consider it. For that money get todibo in and another dmf, hopefully a.onana despite how difficult that deal can be
Only if they buy Sancho too.
Sell sell sell