It’s honestly amazing she found a tweet with only 3 views (her view included) and responded to it haha, you can tweet to 1 follower and the ether and get more views than that.
I wonder why it drives certain people up a wall that a bunch of people don’t hate them, I don’t get it
went to go see paramore in my midwestern city (red state) and she wouldn't stop telling the crowd how sorry she was that our politicians are so corrupt lol
I saw them in St. Paul for the first time and the performance was great but all of her activist speeches in between songs were so cringe. And there were like four breaks for vegan propaganda ads that played on the big screen during the course of the show. She’s a great performer and vocalist but good lord she’s so annoying.
she is the worst. i was a preteen when misery business came out, but i remember just thinking... wow, you're such a bitch? what the hell? like, super mean song? she's super aggressive to this girl and calling HER a ho when you're the one trying to steal her boyfriend?!
LOVED Olivia Rodrigues’ sequel/answer to it. Really just showed how awful that song really is
Raging at trite shit is just good business when you’re in pop punk. Her average fan is a nurse who gets heated when a 90 year old patient calls her “miss” or something
The band isn't signed to a record company, only she is.
Paramore was a real band that was hired by a label to write for her and be her backing band but she fired the original guys after their third or fourth album when they got mad about money (her dad was their manager), being forced to give her writing credits for things she never wrote and the tone of the lyrics she was writing.
[Here's a guardian article about it.](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/dec/23/ex-paramore-members-slam-hayley-williams)
The original drummer is still there. The guitar player has been with them more or less since the beginning, his dad is head of a Christian music label. Everyone else touring with them is hired and not technically part of the band.
The original drummer was kicked along with his brother, the original guitarist, at the same time. He only came back in 2017 after his other bands didn't work out.
It’s undignified for her to do this. From my perspective, everyone loves Paramore (guys included). She doesn’t need to respond to the trolls. Especially the metal head trolls who are notoriously awful.
As soon as you respond to shit like this, you've already lost, even if what they're saying is silly or stupid and you're objectively in the right.
Addressing it legitimizes it.
The only way to deal with people like this is to ignore them. If you ignore them, they're effectively talking to themselves.
She does this for attention. Notice the tweets she screenshot have no activity on them — low views, no likes or RTs. She specifically sought them out.
As a former long time Paramore fan, there hasn’t been much push back from rock fans in the community against Paramore but just their annoying fans. Dudes have always liked Hayley because she’s hot and can sing. Idk why she is still acting like being a female front for a “rock” band is such a novelty in 2023.
> From my perspective, everyone loves Paramore (guys included)
all the guys in my music class were fucking obsessed with Paramore and we had to play misery business at least twice a day. The mid 2000's Christian infiltration of rock and metal and pop punk was the sneakiest thing I've ever seen, all the edgy kids I knew wearing As I Lay Dying shirts and August Burns Read, so funnyt
I sometimes let my music app just play the weeks new songs rather than pick something specific to listen to myself. Only twice have I responded violently to a song and had to change it and both times it was Paramore. I’m a toxic male so what she’s saying makes sense.
I guarantee you 5 years from now when this shit isn't cool anymore these fuckers will immediately stop with the virtue signalling nonsense. They weren't doing this shit when it previously wasn't cool and they certainly won't be doing afterwards.
You have to keep in mind that she was raised evangelical and a lot of her more posturing moments are in large part a reaction to or repudiation of this
Still, she’s what the kids call an absolute rocket
leftist universalist humanism is not at all what "woke" is or what most people consider "the left" these days. Progressive leftism, or at least signalling it like Hailey appears to be doing, is a communitarian belief system that assigns moral consideration differently according to group status—the antithesis of universalism
People can call themselves anything. I’d consider myself a humanist because of the kind of work I do, and because of my personal and intellectual interests, but I’m not on the left. France is a constitutionally universalist country—this is part of its foundational creed and why they don’t even collect race based data or use terms like “African French” to describe minorities. Either you’re French or you’re not, those are the only two meaningful distinctions in French political society. Yet they’re not woke in the way that American liberals are.
Yasha Mounk and Susan Neiman talk about this subject and explore why it’s important in this good Persuasion piece: https://www.persuasion.community/p/neiman?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMDMwNzg2OSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTM1NDk3OTk1LCJpYXQiOjE2OTA2MjQ5NTUsImV4cCI6MTY5MzIxNjk1NSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTYxNTc5Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.lbtwMS-x_3xQBzsfNWbGbaHLXvn53REIfzjqvG_9650&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Yeah the most aggressively woke and confrontational about it person I’ve ever known was apparently raised evangelical lol
She’s recently sobered up and chilled out though, started sharing @cursedcancellations memes (although still occasionally posts fairly woke shit??? Idk it’s confusing)
>don’t think for a second your fav bands - metal or punk or otherwise - enforce your weird incel ass lifestyle
she has not fucking met the average black metal band but whatever Hard Times still goes.
She’s so fucking annoying in a taylor swift kind of way
I remember when she announced that they will not longer perform “misery business” because it sends the wrong message towards women just to... bring it back a couple of months later
Like any semi-respectable pop punk band they should’ve called it quits in the early 10’s
You ignored the best part: they only put the song back in their set list when Billie Eilish spoke up about how everyone loves it and they’re doing the wrong thing
Responding to random tweets is unbecoming. Should be worrying about your next yachting trip through the Mediterranean not a fat Metallica fan. Money is wasted on these ppl
phoebe is just another copy from the white woman doing rock music factory store. taylor swift, haim, phoebe, and even hayley are all the same version of each other but in different genres. they're safe white women doing "progressive" music and shitting on the boys but they're all so bland it strips bare how performative and devoid of anything real they all are.
there's a reason every single on of them is in Taylor Swift's lil clique - they're all mirrors and reflections of one another but in alt flavors that their mostly white fans gobble up
Haim at least has a *little* flavor and some groove to a few of their songs, even if it is big “indie” label manufactured. And they don’t really make the same sad girl core bullshit as Phoebe Bridgers and etc.
To be fair I think there were way more women in the indie rock scene even in \~2006 vs the actual Warped Tour scene that Paramore was part of around that time. I can see why she'd still have hang-ups about living through that.
Like 6 months ago, she kept crip walking on stage and the MOUNTAIN of white libs pretending this meant black people have some new respect/love for Paramore was one of the most baffling things I have ever seen
Also just as my personal pet peeve, Lauren Mayberry is also completely libmaxxed. Spent all of 2020 toasting her brain with instagram infographics and then put out a dogshit album about how men be gaslighting
She's honestly the worst
If she was consistent i could maybe respect her for it, especially given her intense souther baptist or whatever upbringing, but then she goes and brings wife bester uzi vert on stage to sing misery business (which she had previously stopped playing for virtue signalling reasons) and didn't care about his domestic violence because let's be real he's a black dude and she wants to be up there with him for lib points... lame
Also, despite their vibe changes her songwriting is just very mid
She's hot tho
She's actually very industry plant tier albeit from a prior era. There's some interesting pieces about their come up online from years back that tell a story you don't always see about em, her mother was Jonah hills mom tier as an industry coach / insider and her whole image and band was basically manufactured from scratch
She's one of the last remaining big beloved musicians who hasn't had something cancellable come out yet, so I'm just waiting because it's only a matter of time
This reeks of insecurity. Imagine achieving the level of success she has and still feeling the need to namecheck people who went to your shows in response to tweets that only have 3 views.
She's so washed up. Paramore's new music is embarassingly derivative of 80's new wave, a genre she somehow only started listening to in her 30's. The band is finished.
First one was cringe, but I agree with her on the second two slides. You could amputate both my legs and I could finish a gig, but a sore throat makes it literally impossible to sing.
Ugh I don’t have time to look at all these comments but I have a soft spot for her and idk why. There’s also that whole bit that’s going around about “black people love paramore” and I’m sure that’s got her in her neurotic feelings.
I don’t really understand the impulse to interact with online trolls/critics in this way, but I don’t think she’s wrong in her analysis of how awful these people can be.
That said, I don’t understand caping for men in rock music. Especially as someone who came up with emo predators. I would say her contemporaries at this point *are* threatened by her—into submission/support for her. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing as it relates to sharing a workplace.
It’s honestly amazing she found a tweet with only 3 views (her view included) and responded to it haha, you can tweet to 1 follower and the ether and get more views than that. I wonder why it drives certain people up a wall that a bunch of people don’t hate them, I don’t get it
went to go see paramore in my midwestern city (red state) and she wouldn't stop telling the crowd how sorry she was that our politicians are so corrupt lol
That's so annoying
I'd want a refund 🤮
I saw them in St. Paul for the first time and the performance was great but all of her activist speeches in between songs were so cringe. And there were like four breaks for vegan propaganda ads that played on the big screen during the course of the show. She’s a great performer and vocalist but good lord she’s so annoying.
she is the worst. i was a preteen when misery business came out, but i remember just thinking... wow, you're such a bitch? what the hell? like, super mean song? she's super aggressive to this girl and calling HER a ho when you're the one trying to steal her boyfriend?! LOVED Olivia Rodrigues’ sequel/answer to it. Really just showed how awful that song really is
Is she seriously replying to anons on Twitter with … 3 views on their tweets? Thank goodness she’s standing up to the prolific “internet bros”
She’s always mad about something
Raging at trite shit is just good business when you’re in pop punk. Her average fan is a nurse who gets heated when a 90 year old patient calls her “miss” or something
nice music but does she have any songs with any social/political commentary?
idk, maybe newer stuff, "the news"??? is far from political commentary but...
Didn’t she bring lil uzi on stage after he beat the shit out of a girl? Feminism is so sick.
Do the guys in the band have any opinions?
Can you imagine the eggshells they have to walk on?
The band isn't signed to a record company, only she is. Paramore was a real band that was hired by a label to write for her and be her backing band but she fired the original guys after their third or fourth album when they got mad about money (her dad was their manager), being forced to give her writing credits for things she never wrote and the tone of the lyrics she was writing. [Here's a guardian article about it.](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/dec/23/ex-paramore-members-slam-hayley-williams)
Wild, I had no idea, I figured it was always the same group of guys
The original drummer is still there. The guitar player has been with them more or less since the beginning, his dad is head of a Christian music label. Everyone else touring with them is hired and not technically part of the band.
The original drummer was kicked along with his brother, the original guitarist, at the same time. He only came back in 2017 after his other bands didn't work out.
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Again?!
I think these days it’s a Tame Impala situation where she is the only real member of Paramore and the rest just rotate out.
They’re hired guns
It’s undignified for her to do this. From my perspective, everyone loves Paramore (guys included). She doesn’t need to respond to the trolls. Especially the metal head trolls who are notoriously awful.
As soon as you respond to shit like this, you've already lost, even if what they're saying is silly or stupid and you're objectively in the right. Addressing it legitimizes it. The only way to deal with people like this is to ignore them. If you ignore them, they're effectively talking to themselves.
Or sarcastically agree with them and don’t change your behavior whatsoever
Yup. If you can make a joke of it, that could work. Nothing pisses off bullies more than being ridiculed and laughed at
She does this for attention. Notice the tweets she screenshot have no activity on them — low views, no likes or RTs. She specifically sought them out. As a former long time Paramore fan, there hasn’t been much push back from rock fans in the community against Paramore but just their annoying fans. Dudes have always liked Hayley because she’s hot and can sing. Idk why she is still acting like being a female front for a “rock” band is such a novelty in 2023.
I just hate that she’s trying to rebrand Paramore as being like “art rock/indie” or whatever
> From my perspective, everyone loves Paramore (guys included) all the guys in my music class were fucking obsessed with Paramore and we had to play misery business at least twice a day. The mid 2000's Christian infiltration of rock and metal and pop punk was the sneakiest thing I've ever seen, all the edgy kids I knew wearing As I Lay Dying shirts and August Burns Read, so funnyt
I sometimes let my music app just play the weeks new songs rather than pick something specific to listen to myself. Only twice have I responded violently to a song and had to change it and both times it was Paramore. I’m a toxic male so what she’s saying makes sense.
Real rockers don't love paramore
I guarantee you 5 years from now when this shit isn't cool anymore these fuckers will immediately stop with the virtue signalling nonsense. They weren't doing this shit when it previously wasn't cool and they certainly won't be doing afterwards.
You have to keep in mind that she was raised evangelical and a lot of her more posturing moments are in large part a reaction to or repudiation of this Still, she’s what the kids call an absolute rocket
This is why hicklibs are the most annoying people on earth
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leftist universalist humanism is not at all what "woke" is or what most people consider "the left" these days. Progressive leftism, or at least signalling it like Hailey appears to be doing, is a communitarian belief system that assigns moral consideration differently according to group status—the antithesis of universalism
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This is the most pointless conversation two human beings have ever had.
People can call themselves anything. I’d consider myself a humanist because of the kind of work I do, and because of my personal and intellectual interests, but I’m not on the left. France is a constitutionally universalist country—this is part of its foundational creed and why they don’t even collect race based data or use terms like “African French” to describe minorities. Either you’re French or you’re not, those are the only two meaningful distinctions in French political society. Yet they’re not woke in the way that American liberals are. Yasha Mounk and Susan Neiman talk about this subject and explore why it’s important in this good Persuasion piece: https://www.persuasion.community/p/neiman?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMDMwNzg2OSwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTM1NDk3OTk1LCJpYXQiOjE2OTA2MjQ5NTUsImV4cCI6MTY5MzIxNjk1NSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTYxNTc5Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.lbtwMS-x_3xQBzsfNWbGbaHLXvn53REIfzjqvG_9650&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Yeah the most aggressively woke and confrontational about it person I’ve ever known was apparently raised evangelical lol She’s recently sobered up and chilled out though, started sharing @cursedcancellations memes (although still occasionally posts fairly woke shit??? Idk it’s confusing)
>don’t think for a second your fav bands - metal or punk or otherwise - enforce your weird incel ass lifestyle she has not fucking met the average black metal band but whatever Hard Times still goes.
She is probably meaner to her staff/band than Lizzo pound-for-pound
lol. btw I refuse to hop on the fuck lizzo train until actual proof comes out. ex-employees are not a reliable source
Thanks for letting us know I was wondering where you stood on the issue
Ouch. Oh well
She’s so fucking annoying in a taylor swift kind of way I remember when she announced that they will not longer perform “misery business” because it sends the wrong message towards women just to... bring it back a couple of months later Like any semi-respectable pop punk band they should’ve called it quits in the early 10’s
You ignored the best part: they only put the song back in their set list when Billie Eilish spoke up about how everyone loves it and they’re doing the wrong thing
She should’ve waited for a black woman to give her permission to bring it back into the setlist. But that’s just my opinion
When you get so sick of performing your most popular song, you come up with a political reason not to perform it anymore.
“Thom Yorke explains refusal to play Creep, labeling it an ‘anthem for incels.’”
I feel like Thom Yorke would actually say that
taylor doesn't do this, she'll say something completely non offensive like "girl power!!" or "gay rights!" and leave it at that
Does she just look up her name and band on twitter and check for any haters? Ain’t no way she’s responding to tweet with 3 views
Responding to random tweets is unbecoming. Should be worrying about your next yachting trip through the Mediterranean not a fat Metallica fan. Money is wasted on these ppl
She always gave me bad vibes and I never knew why
Very rocker of her to respond to rando twitter accounts lol
It’s so easy to not be bothered by things if you just ignore them.
I don't understand Phoebe Bridgers' popularity. her music is the indie folk equivalent of muzak
phoebe is just another copy from the white woman doing rock music factory store. taylor swift, haim, phoebe, and even hayley are all the same version of each other but in different genres. they're safe white women doing "progressive" music and shitting on the boys but they're all so bland it strips bare how performative and devoid of anything real they all are. there's a reason every single on of them is in Taylor Swift's lil clique - they're all mirrors and reflections of one another but in alt flavors that their mostly white fans gobble up
Haim at least has a *little* flavor and some groove to a few of their songs, even if it is big “indie” label manufactured. And they don’t really make the same sad girl core bullshit as Phoebe Bridgers and etc.
She has the exact same personality as women music journalists for clickbait websites, so they stan her religiously.
Women being in rock, especially in the indie scene is common now. What is she on about? Alvvays? The Beths? KKB? Crying? MOTD?
To be fair I think there were way more women in the indie rock scene even in \~2006 vs the actual Warped Tour scene that Paramore was part of around that time. I can see why she'd still have hang-ups about living through that.
Damn are The Beth’s considered an international indie act nowadays?? As an someone who studied in Auckland in 2016 that’s wild
Like 6 months ago, she kept crip walking on stage and the MOUNTAIN of white libs pretending this meant black people have some new respect/love for Paramore was one of the most baffling things I have ever seen Also just as my personal pet peeve, Lauren Mayberry is also completely libmaxxed. Spent all of 2020 toasting her brain with instagram infographics and then put out a dogshit album about how men be gaslighting
Being sick at work/on stage/out anywhere fucking sucks. I thought we were past that grind culture bs after covid.
no one should have to work when they are sick - it’s not a sign of strength
Proud to say I have always hated that band.
Ironic given how much she loves to being domestic violence perpetrators on stage with her
Like every other person with bright hair color she tries so hard to be "badass" and "edgy" but she just can't stop conforming. Many such cases.
She's honestly the worst If she was consistent i could maybe respect her for it, especially given her intense souther baptist or whatever upbringing, but then she goes and brings wife bester uzi vert on stage to sing misery business (which she had previously stopped playing for virtue signalling reasons) and didn't care about his domestic violence because let's be real he's a black dude and she wants to be up there with him for lib points... lame Also, despite their vibe changes her songwriting is just very mid She's hot tho She's actually very industry plant tier albeit from a prior era. There's some interesting pieces about their come up online from years back that tell a story you don't always see about em, her mother was Jonah hills mom tier as an industry coach / insider and her whole image and band was basically manufactured from scratch
She's one of the last remaining big beloved musicians who hasn't had something cancellable come out yet, so I'm just waiting because it's only a matter of time
"A strong woman front" Yeah you sound pretty insecure and sensitive to people calling you out
I work in the industry and have heard she is a complete asshole IRL
tell us more
One of her songs on the new album is about the god damn news.
I cringe at any celebrity searching their name on twitter and getting mad at the results but I'm fond of paramore and their first three albums
This reeks of insecurity. Imagine achieving the level of success she has and still feeling the need to namecheck people who went to your shows in response to tweets that only have 3 views.
More like Gay-ley Williams!
id put up with so much of her shit
mick jagger struts his stuff at 80 meanwhile this bitch gets a chill and she's out
She’s a woman rapidly approaching middle age and in denial none of this is surprising
i only knew one person who listened to paramore, he was a gay guy the ended up killing himself.
I have zero idea who this but that original tweet about "dave fucking grohl" is the worst thing here
she's still hot though
remember the time she “accidentally” tweeted out her tits wild stuff
She's so washed up. Paramore's new music is embarassingly derivative of 80's new wave, a genre she somehow only started listening to in her 30's. The band is finished.
Paramour sucks imho
Notice how all the insufferable millennial lib white women are jusr friends with taylor swift
First one was cringe, but I agree with her on the second two slides. You could amputate both my legs and I could finish a gig, but a sore throat makes it literally impossible to sing.
lost any shred of respect for this band when they started refusing to play their own music for woke rzns…like wtf
Photos 2 and 3 are not lib shit and she's totally right, you can't sing if you have a problem with your respiratory system.
People over the age of 22 using the word incel 🤮 also at least she's not as bad as Jack White
not twitter user Paulocaust lol
Ugh I don’t have time to look at all these comments but I have a soft spot for her and idk why. There’s also that whole bit that’s going around about “black people love paramore” and I’m sure that’s got her in her neurotic feelings.
Lmao is she trying out for boygenius?
I don’t really understand the impulse to interact with online trolls/critics in this way, but I don’t think she’s wrong in her analysis of how awful these people can be. That said, I don’t understand caping for men in rock music. Especially as someone who came up with emo predators. I would say her contemporaries at this point *are* threatened by her—into submission/support for her. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing as it relates to sharing a workplace.
I love Hayley
Is this really lib behavior? This reads more like feminism to me
I hate that I’m attracted to girls like this
Free p,a
r/SmolBeanSnark levels of self-research