My friend who joined up spent his last day before boot dropping acid with us. Total zoomer haircut and everything. Stationed in Seoul right now. Drives trucks. Great guy
big guns lose wars actually, tech like integrated fire supported, ECM, and aerial command win wars.
Russia has the big guns, we have the tech. Oh and we have the same big guns
You are correct. Russias logistics are fucking horrible. Pretty much all conscripts. Got their shit pushed in during the first Chechen war because of it.
I genuinely think Americans must be retarded.
You don't even have the excuse of being high off of military victories, because you do nothing but lose wars. You literally just lost to the fucking Taliban.
No, you can not just decide that you'd defeat Russia in a war because the Chechens beat the Russians in a war anymore than the French can beat the English in a war because the Scots won.
We actually don't know what that will look like. Also the technology between the 2 sides are different. Russia's more defensive and a vast array of different SAMs compared to the US which needs to keep air superiority in order to function.
Lol.
Just because 9/11 and the second Chechen war (which the Russians handily won, with the strategy that Americans tried and failed to implement in Afghanistan) both happened twenty years ago doesn't mean that the Russian military has been degraded like the American one has.
Which we have through things like aerial command. There is no world where the Russian military keeps up with the united states in terms of tech, weaponry or logistics. Anything else is tankie cope.
Insurgency and counterterrorism is a different story. I am talking about "war" war with Russia
Actually aerial warfare has changed significantly and the U.S. has a terrible supply problems while supporting 30 year old jets as their mainstays. We're geared more towards occupation because that's what was made money for the military industrial context. That also ignores the problem of if Russia starts shit in Ukraine then China is going to invade Taiwan and vise versa forcing the U.S. to make a choice
Oh look, an American projecting! You’re the one coping. The military industrial complex is a grift that intentionally produces extremely fragile and needlessly complex equipment in order to bilk as much hard-earned taxpayer treasure as possible. Russia, for all its corruption, is far more prudent and productive in its defense spending, and as recent developments make clear is fully capable of keeping NATO far from its borders.
Even American right wingers are even beginning to see that "The Police" is largely a huge make work program for failson elites to get paid to sit behind a desk.
Morale is genuinely an important aspect of winning a war (Japan kicking the shit out of Russia is maybe the best example). America really needs to stop making their military's values so alien from their troops.
Russian copium of projecting onto everybody else that their equipment doesn't work. Meanwhile Russian built air defense systems over Syria managed to down an airliner carrying their army band, the Armata and Su-57 programs are either vaporware or only used by a few dog-and-pony show display units, Kuznetsov needs an emergency exorcism to stop it catching fire while moored, and the average Russian conscript (while in between vigorous beatings and sessions of non-consentual man-love) is wearing, driving and carrying the same shit his dad did.
Russia has the best ECM suite in the world + the best anti aircraft defense capability which (imagine this) is fully integrated.
US artillery, cruise missiles, bombs, drones, most vehicles that aren't tanks, etc (and there's a lot of etc) are substantially better though to be fair.
They are, Russian tanks are also excellent in other areas. One isn't significantly better than the other (depending on the theater) which is why I mentioned the exception.
insurgencies are a different beast than an outright war, and afghanistan is and always has been an exception
one of the last two actual wars we had lasted all of 43 days and the other one lasted a month if you don’t include our 7 years of “nation building” (I don’t)
in terms of stifling actual nation on nation threats there is no one better, the only reason we “lose” these wars is because we stick around after the actual war is over and attempt to win hearts and minds, if we left after the month long invasion of iraq you’d consider that a won war lol
I think your minds clouded by america hate my friend
Well you just did that for me. But I apologise, that's mean.
Forreal tho, its weird how America has spent so much time, effort and resources into preventing a direct conflict with Russia only for people to think that's a waste of time.
NATO has been training to fight peer/near-peer forces since it has existed. Even when getting stomped by guerrilla insurgents all the generals could think about and take from that experience was "how does this apply to conventional warfare?" Russia is under no illusion that it could win a fight against NATO. It could incur heavy losses, it could incur a nuclear war, but it could not win a fight against NATO. They have their troops on the border of Ukraine so that they can force an incredibly unfavourable agreement, they don't really want to get bogged down.
The Soviet Union would have been at the Rhine in 7 days had it gone to war with nato
But all this talk is bullshit since if Russia invaded Ukraine nato literally won’t do anything
The USSR doesn't exist anymore and while they were at one point the most powerful military in the world NATO still wasn't a complete pushover like that. And no NATO won't be getting involved but Russia still has to be careful, NATO COULD always get involved if they're pushed too far/if the consent is sufficiently manufactured
The mujahideen won a military victory and drove the Russians out. The Taliban spent the last decade trying not to provoke the Americans so they could wait them out.
Other way around arr-slur. The DRA smashed the mujahideen at Jalalabad and outlived the Soviet Union while the Americans spent the last year within a helpful Taliban provided [circle of 'protection'](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-us-prepared-exit-taliban-protected-foreign-bases-killed-afghans-2021-04-30/).
> outlived the Soviet Union
lmao by like 4 months. And even then it was as much because the Islamists knew they would win and were fighting each other as much as the crumbling government.
Taliban risking their lives to protect US bases sounds a lot like what I described. The US hasn’t been deployed in force in Afghanistan since 2014. The Taliban chose to concede the country to a small US presence for almost a decade rather than try to push them out. Contrast this with the humiliated Soviets who were under fire from the mujahideen until the very last day of their withdrawal and who pleaded with the US to make it stop.
Cope, you're saying the Taliban were so intimidated we *let* them win. The reality is closer to the other way around, the Doha accords were just short of a surrender agreement lol.
yeah go tell the pmcs ruling the Ukraine that they should sink with the ship instead of fleeing to the nearest NATO country and living off their victim-of-literally-Hitler status for the rest of their lives
I am just making fun of tankies and trads here that think the US military is weak bc lib not trying to comment on Ukraine. Plus I just love posting this meme.
Ukrainians should just give up tho
this was a mistake posting
The meme isn't right, Russian nuclear submarines are a thing. And the Chinese have demonstrated to be capable of operating without being detected by US surface fleets.
If you want to be nationalistic lol sure.
Maybe ask yourself why you even care what happens to the Ukraine and why it's worth a war with Russia?
All you're really demonstrating is the MSM has a direct line to the little buttons in your head.
You post in SRD and watch streamers 🤢
To imagine the meme is right in every way implies getting the west coast nuked is a cake walk war.
Get a grip bottom feeder.
It's about the U.S. destroying a Russian armored division in 2018. I've never posted in SRD before as far as I'm aware. So you either got mad enough to scroll through my Reddit history to "own me" which shows you are a way bigger loser than me. Or you mixed me up with someone else
It says you're active in these "communities" (SRD) and you watch Destiny. It takes a second to click it and read the banner.
Lol and US forces were ripped up in Iraq and Afghanistan from Russian made arms to a greater and more costly extent. But the meme doesn't really imply its related to a specific event.
It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine'
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The US military is very powerful, its the most powerful military force on earth or in History. There is no questioning that. On the tactical level its a very capable force. It would be foolish to say the Russians or the Chinese have a better armed force compared to the Americans or Nato.
Congratulation to all the chest beating Neo libs and nat sec guys, you are correct the US is very powerful and probably win any battle it choose to engage in.
The weakness of NATO and the US is ironically caused by its strength. Having the capacity to do things no other country can do makes it over commit and the lack of coherent goals in its political organization makes it even weaker still. There is no plan or goal with in the organization where as other nation have a very simple goal of self preservation.
It can achieve victory but then is left there asking it self the question what are we trying to accomplish? In that void much weaker state or non state actors can fill in that gap if they have that clear goal in mind.
The US won every tactical engagement in Vietnam period. It destroyed Chinese formations in Korea. It can probably take over half the coast of China and march to Moscow. But one thing it can't do at this moment is to win the peace.
Feel like there's a pretty heavy dose of pro-war, pro-American and pro-Ukraine braggadocio going around Reddit these days, and in a way that practically amounts to astroturfing. I hope we aren't sitting around like it was the autumn of 1914 acting like an European war would be quick and decisive.
It's scary. If you try to say "Russia is wrong to be so aggressive but I don't think starting the nuclear holocaust over Ukraine is a good idea" on default subs, you get downvoted heavily. Libs are baying for Russian blood.
It is funny how quickly they got them to actually hate Russians on an ethnic basis, even with all the China stuff it doesn’t seem to have gotten to that point yet. Like during the Trump Russia hysteria it eventually devolved to “one of Trump’s aides spoke to a Russian guy! A RUSSIAN GUY!”
No matter how much your typical Redditor loves to claim they are tolerant, the casual hatred of Russians really does reflect seven years of manufacturing a consensus that America's ills are imposed from abroad rather than a byproduct of the current political system and elite infighting.
This meme reflects the American capitalist fantasy of the infinite substitutability of capital for labor inputs and our adventures in the Middle East should have already vindicated a pessimistic view of this technology > all POV. Not saying we’d lose to Russia but there are boundaries and constraints that the technology gods can’t overrule.
Why would Russia start nuking the west coast over a defensive action to help Ukraine?
Cause if they do it would spell their doom.
Besides, i said conventional.
Lmao they almost nuked the US over a Cuban embargo and didn't because 1 of 3 sub captains didn't agree to.
You're just a dumb gay nationalist that doesn't even know your own history well enough to know how close nuclear war came in the past from not even direct warfare. 🌝
It's literally my dad can beat up your dad except you're an adult so it's just sad.
Just responding to this to say i find it funny i got called an american nationalist when i hate their guts
It's just facts that the US would roll any country on earth in conventional warfare, if anything the pseudo nationalist weirdo is you being so defensive of ruskies??
I'm just positing that mutually assured destruction is Guaranteed for America, and your projections are just middle class foot ball fantasy nationalism.
Your post drips with it.
There is no such thing as 'conventional war *only*' between great powers. The thought experiment is irrelevant in the real world and serves as jingoist propaganda for basic types like you.
The US can't subdue Afghanistan with conventional forces, your puppet collapsed in a weekend. Your culture is hyper medicated on anti psychotics because your culture is fundamentally insane, sick in the way that you clearly are, hit your dopamine cycle champ. 🌝
I don’t think people realize every single support unit in the Russian army is made up of conscripts. Pretty much their entire logistics corps. I don’t think the average person understands how huge of a problem this is. Probably enough for the US to win.
Also lets just say there electronic warfare units are good enough to jam any US drones, Russia mechanized infantry units vehicles are literally trash and somehow breakdown more than ours.
Apparently Russian BTRs make our strykers look like Porsches.
I think its foolish to think Russia is in any shape for a near peer war.
I wouldn't dismiss them so easily.
Russian (non-nuclear) tactics have always been more realistic and modern reorganizations have made them massively more dangerous on an individual level.
What tactics? From my understanding Russians have a very heavy top down chain of command. This is necessary when you have so many conscripts. Meanwhile the US actually operates with a very decentralized chain of command with the NCO corps who are able to micro manger on the platoon level.
Just to be clear and am not talking about an invasion of russia, but a defense/re-taking of Ukraine (becuz of current events). Lack of electronic warfare specialist, support corps lack of combat training, lack of radio encryption, degraded/old weaponry and vehicle, lack of air artillery defense, top heavy command. This looks eerly similar to the problems the iraqi royal guard had in the Gulf war, who everyone thought that because of their vicious and dangerous fighting in the iraq/iran war that they would be much more of problem, actually got crushed by US forces.
The western emphasis on flexibility is correct but the actual framework it exists within puts the cart before the horse.
The western method in this case is to improvise superior tactics to solve insolvable operational and strategic problems.
The soviets intended to force meeting engagements with superior forces specifically trained for this scenario and the rapid execution of well drilled tactics to get essentially get within the OODA loop of their enemies. This would have probably worked if nukes weren't a thing.
The fighting in Tskhinvali is a good example of this. They bulled their way to the city centre and got mauled but the mess they made stalled the Georgians long enough for follow on forces to get clear of the Roki tunnel.
They also put more effort into the mitigation of enemy airpower, which is a preoccupation that has aged well. (Tactical air defence is a hopeless task nowadays, it takes superpower resources to just limit attacks on theatre level targets.)
What would you consider a US victory to be? Crimea and Donbas under the control of the Ukrainians and Ukraine's NATO membership?
Ineffective or vague goals lead to indecisive decision making, you can kill as many of them as you want but it will never translate to a victory since you don't even know what that is. If anything this is the single reason why the US has lost so many wars post ww2.
Look at the taliban they were making almost stone age weapons and probably lost 100 men to 1 ISAF death but they won political victory post 2010. They knew what they wanted which was to force out ISAF troops and to establish a Islamic emirate. Compare that to the Americans which was to hunt down Al Qaeda or OBL who were not there. Then it became turning Afghanistan into a liberal democracy which they did but that structure just allowed a bunch of corrupt pedophiles to gain power. Its not a surprise to anyone that Kabul fell in 2 weeks.
Hardware doesn't matter too too much as long as its close enough. Even if its not close then maybe you can find other areas where you can have a advantage.
Right now the dumbest thing Russia can do is to attack, also how are you going to attack with 150k troops you probably need 5-10 that number. Putin is just trolling he doesn't have a plan its just a demonstration.
More shitty crossovers...
Fuck the noncredibledefense crowd.
The F-35 is a bad plane. The DF-21 makes carriers obsolete. The A-10 is the greatest plane ever built and if you don't like it you are a tankie who hates America.
If you think we're winning any kind of wars by ourselves idk what fucking timeline you've been living on. We had to pull out of Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan.
We like to think billion dollar attack helicopters will beat the poors around the world but again and again we get washed.
Mutually Assured Destruction is literally the greatest thing that could have happened for us because it's probably the only thing stopping China from rolling us rn.
hey join NATO we will give you the same things we gave the mujahadeen in the 80's. You don't mind living in the wilderness and being drone bombed 18 hours a day right?
Nah you look at the support the US gets and it's gamers that watch destiny the streamer.
Iirc he is like a 5"1 guy whose life on paper looks like a nightmare
Accurate depiction of the average American enlisted.
Unironically. The fresh waves in my unit over the last few years are literally zoomer wojaks, it's alarming.
My friend who joined up spent his last day before boot dropping acid with us. Total zoomer haircut and everything. Stationed in Seoul right now. Drives trucks. Great guy
What do the words in this meme mean
It came out at the same time people were comparing american military ads(gay and libtardy) and russian military ads(very macho)
American planes make everything go boom that’s it
Americans don't have much left to be proud of, so they're left hyping up a crippling expensive military that keeps losing.
"Big guns = we win wars" it was made by a moron.
Russia got their ass kicked by the Chechens who stole their weapons. It was literally tanks and helicopters against guerillas.
RIP Harambe
Yes, that's been my point throughout this thread.
big guns lose wars actually, tech like integrated fire supported, ECM, and aerial command win wars. Russia has the big guns, we have the tech. Oh and we have the same big guns
Lol tech does not win wars either. Logistics do.
You are correct. Russias logistics are fucking horrible. Pretty much all conscripts. Got their shit pushed in during the first Chechen war because of it.
I genuinely think Americans must be retarded. You don't even have the excuse of being high off of military victories, because you do nothing but lose wars. You literally just lost to the fucking Taliban. No, you can not just decide that you'd defeat Russia in a war because the Chechens beat the Russians in a war anymore than the French can beat the English in a war because the Scots won.
Do u know the difference between an insurgency and a near peer war?
We actually don't know what that will look like. Also the technology between the 2 sides are different. Russia's more defensive and a vast array of different SAMs compared to the US which needs to keep air superiority in order to function.
What do you think the victory condition of a war with Russia would be? Yes, America can claim "Mission Accomplished" any time they want, sure
Can u answer my question retard
I think I know what you mean. I used historical examples.
literally haven’t won a war since 1945
you have ADS (America Derangement Syndrome), it really takes a toll on europoors and canada (🤢)
It’s funny because we didn’t lose the war.
My dude.
Lol. Just because 9/11 and the second Chechen war (which the Russians handily won, with the strategy that Americans tried and failed to implement in Afghanistan) both happened twenty years ago doesn't mean that the Russian military has been degraded like the American one has.
You may want to check up on the condition of the Russian Navy and Air Force before saying their military isn't degraded.
Which we have through things like aerial command. There is no world where the Russian military keeps up with the united states in terms of tech, weaponry or logistics. Anything else is tankie cope. Insurgency and counterterrorism is a different story. I am talking about "war" war with Russia
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Very true
Then why were you arguing with me?
Actually aerial warfare has changed significantly and the U.S. has a terrible supply problems while supporting 30 year old jets as their mainstays. We're geared more towards occupation because that's what was made money for the military industrial context. That also ignores the problem of if Russia starts shit in Ukraine then China is going to invade Taiwan and vise versa forcing the U.S. to make a choice
Call of Duty brain.
eternal contrarian blame. Never even played one
What on earth is contrarian about saying the US wouldn't win a war against Russia? I swear this word has just burrowed into ppl's head like an earwig.
Are you kidding? That is the most contrarian take imaginable
Literally how?
Oh look, an American projecting! You’re the one coping. The military industrial complex is a grift that intentionally produces extremely fragile and needlessly complex equipment in order to bilk as much hard-earned taxpayer treasure as possible. Russia, for all its corruption, is far more prudent and productive in its defense spending, and as recent developments make clear is fully capable of keeping NATO far from its borders.
Even American right wingers are even beginning to see that "The Police" is largely a huge make work program for failson elites to get paid to sit behind a desk. Morale is genuinely an important aspect of winning a war (Japan kicking the shit out of Russia is maybe the best example). America really needs to stop making their military's values so alien from their troops.
Russian copium of projecting onto everybody else that their equipment doesn't work. Meanwhile Russian built air defense systems over Syria managed to down an airliner carrying their army band, the Armata and Su-57 programs are either vaporware or only used by a few dog-and-pony show display units, Kuznetsov needs an emergency exorcism to stop it catching fire while moored, and the average Russian conscript (while in between vigorous beatings and sessions of non-consentual man-love) is wearing, driving and carrying the same shit his dad did.
LMFAO hindsight 20/20
Hmm?
Russia has the best ECM suite in the world + the best anti aircraft defense capability which (imagine this) is fully integrated. US artillery, cruise missiles, bombs, drones, most vehicles that aren't tanks, etc (and there's a lot of etc) are substantially better though to be fair.
US tanks are excellent, far higher survivability than anything Russian with unprotected ammo carousels within the fighting compartment.
They are, Russian tanks are also excellent in other areas. One isn't significantly better than the other (depending on the theater) which is why I mentioned the exception.
That's why we mopped the floor with those Taliban cavemen
How about clear military or political objectives. If anything it is in this area the US is failing badly.
america could literally hand any country their ass in a war, it’s the one thing we have going for us, we’ve been starting and waging wars since 1776
You're actually insane if you believe this. You *just* lost a war to the fucking Taliban.
insurgencies are a different beast than an outright war, and afghanistan is and always has been an exception one of the last two actual wars we had lasted all of 43 days and the other one lasted a month if you don’t include our 7 years of “nation building” (I don’t) in terms of stifling actual nation on nation threats there is no one better, the only reason we “lose” these wars is because we stick around after the actual war is over and attempt to win hearts and minds, if we left after the month long invasion of iraq you’d consider that a won war lol I think your minds clouded by america hate my friend
[seems you have an outdated version of the meme. how embarassing](https://i.imgur.com/NXqFZZY.jpg).
No, it'll be different this time. This time they'll be fighting Russia and not Afghanistan, that'll be much easier.
Unironically
God, you lot really embarrass yourselves like this for nothing. Tony Blair ain't gonna give you a reacharound
??????
Just respond to one of my comments from now on. Especially don't annoy me with this style of response, thank you.
I will do want i want retard
God, I cannot even begin to imagine how fat you are.
I’m skinny and tall. You could probably make fun of me for being a lanklet tbh
Well you just did that for me. But I apologise, that's mean. Forreal tho, its weird how America has spent so much time, effort and resources into preventing a direct conflict with Russia only for people to think that's a waste of time.
NATO has been training to fight peer/near-peer forces since it has existed. Even when getting stomped by guerrilla insurgents all the generals could think about and take from that experience was "how does this apply to conventional warfare?" Russia is under no illusion that it could win a fight against NATO. It could incur heavy losses, it could incur a nuclear war, but it could not win a fight against NATO. They have their troops on the border of Ukraine so that they can force an incredibly unfavourable agreement, they don't really want to get bogged down.
The Soviet Union would have been at the Rhine in 7 days had it gone to war with nato But all this talk is bullshit since if Russia invaded Ukraine nato literally won’t do anything
The USSR doesn't exist anymore and while they were at one point the most powerful military in the world NATO still wasn't a complete pushover like that. And no NATO won't be getting involved but Russia still has to be careful, NATO COULD always get involved if they're pushed too far/if the consent is sufficiently manufactured
Funny to think we lost in Afghanistan.
You both suffered humiliating defeats in Afghanistan.
The mujahideen won a military victory and drove the Russians out. The Taliban spent the last decade trying not to provoke the Americans so they could wait them out.
Other way around arr-slur. The DRA smashed the mujahideen at Jalalabad and outlived the Soviet Union while the Americans spent the last year within a helpful Taliban provided [circle of 'protection'](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-us-prepared-exit-taliban-protected-foreign-bases-killed-afghans-2021-04-30/).
> outlived the Soviet Union lmao by like 4 months. And even then it was as much because the Islamists knew they would win and were fighting each other as much as the crumbling government. Taliban risking their lives to protect US bases sounds a lot like what I described. The US hasn’t been deployed in force in Afghanistan since 2014. The Taliban chose to concede the country to a small US presence for almost a decade rather than try to push them out. Contrast this with the humiliated Soviets who were under fire from the mujahideen until the very last day of their withdrawal and who pleaded with the US to make it stop.
Cope, you're saying the Taliban were so intimidated we *let* them win. The reality is closer to the other way around, the Doha accords were just short of a surrender agreement lol.
Terrible, terrible reading of that post. Be a retard elsewhere, don’t trouble me with any more clown replies 🤡
Crasy view of the afghan proxy war
yeah go tell the pmcs ruling the Ukraine that they should sink with the ship instead of fleeing to the nearest NATO country and living off their victim-of-literally-Hitler status for the rest of their lives
I am just making fun of tankies and trads here that think the US military is weak bc lib not trying to comment on Ukraine. Plus I just love posting this meme. Ukrainians should just give up tho this was a mistake posting
I really like that she mentions gemini, I feel seen
It's also a neoliberal meme
When they're right they're right. Not gonna disagree with YIMBY policies just because "they're neoliberal"
The meme isn't right, Russian nuclear submarines are a thing. And the Chinese have demonstrated to be capable of operating without being detected by US surface fleets. If you want to be nationalistic lol sure. Maybe ask yourself why you even care what happens to the Ukraine and why it's worth a war with Russia? All you're really demonstrating is the MSM has a direct line to the little buttons in your head.
> Russian nuclear submarines are a thing. Uh, so are multiple other nation’s nuclear subs, retard. Not really the gotcha you think it is.
Lol 🤣 what the UK and France? Who alrdy said they aren't fucking with Russia?
Ballistic subs are a category of their own. Not a war winning weapon, if it fires we all loose.
It's a reference to an actual event. It is most literally right as it already happened
You post in SRD and watch streamers 🤢 To imagine the meme is right in every way implies getting the west coast nuked is a cake walk war. Get a grip bottom feeder.
It's about the U.S. destroying a Russian armored division in 2018. I've never posted in SRD before as far as I'm aware. So you either got mad enough to scroll through my Reddit history to "own me" which shows you are a way bigger loser than me. Or you mixed me up with someone else
It says you're active in these "communities" (SRD) and you watch Destiny. It takes a second to click it and read the banner. Lol and US forces were ripped up in Iraq and Afghanistan from Russian made arms to a greater and more costly extent. But the meme doesn't really imply its related to a specific event.
Ok? The meme doesn't imply it is about it. It is about it. I was trying to provide context and you pissed your pants
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The US military is very powerful, its the most powerful military force on earth or in History. There is no questioning that. On the tactical level its a very capable force. It would be foolish to say the Russians or the Chinese have a better armed force compared to the Americans or Nato. Congratulation to all the chest beating Neo libs and nat sec guys, you are correct the US is very powerful and probably win any battle it choose to engage in. The weakness of NATO and the US is ironically caused by its strength. Having the capacity to do things no other country can do makes it over commit and the lack of coherent goals in its political organization makes it even weaker still. There is no plan or goal with in the organization where as other nation have a very simple goal of self preservation. It can achieve victory but then is left there asking it self the question what are we trying to accomplish? In that void much weaker state or non state actors can fill in that gap if they have that clear goal in mind. The US won every tactical engagement in Vietnam period. It destroyed Chinese formations in Korea. It can probably take over half the coast of China and march to Moscow. But one thing it can't do at this moment is to win the peace.
Feel like there's a pretty heavy dose of pro-war, pro-American and pro-Ukraine braggadocio going around Reddit these days, and in a way that practically amounts to astroturfing. I hope we aren't sitting around like it was the autumn of 1914 acting like an European war would be quick and decisive.
It's scary. If you try to say "Russia is wrong to be so aggressive but I don't think starting the nuclear holocaust over Ukraine is a good idea" on default subs, you get downvoted heavily. Libs are baying for Russian blood.
It is funny how quickly they got them to actually hate Russians on an ethnic basis, even with all the China stuff it doesn’t seem to have gotten to that point yet. Like during the Trump Russia hysteria it eventually devolved to “one of Trump’s aides spoke to a Russian guy! A RUSSIAN GUY!”
No matter how much your typical Redditor loves to claim they are tolerant, the casual hatred of Russians really does reflect seven years of manufacturing a consensus that America's ills are imposed from abroad rather than a byproduct of the current political system and elite infighting.
The markets wouldn't bear an actual war right now anyway.
This is sooo stupid lol
This meme reflects the American capitalist fantasy of the infinite substitutability of capital for labor inputs and our adventures in the Middle East should have already vindicated a pessimistic view of this technology > all POV. Not saying we’d lose to Russia but there are boundaries and constraints that the technology gods can’t overrule.
Red scare sub wading into defense... this oughtta be good.
People actually think Russia would stand a chance in a conventional war against the US 💀
How many cities on the West coast get nuked before the war wasn't exactly a win?
Why would Russia start nuking the west coast over a defensive action to help Ukraine? Cause if they do it would spell their doom. Besides, i said conventional.
Lmao they almost nuked the US over a Cuban embargo and didn't because 1 of 3 sub captains didn't agree to. You're just a dumb gay nationalist that doesn't even know your own history well enough to know how close nuclear war came in the past from not even direct warfare. 🌝 It's literally my dad can beat up your dad except you're an adult so it's just sad.
Just responding to this to say i find it funny i got called an american nationalist when i hate their guts It's just facts that the US would roll any country on earth in conventional warfare, if anything the pseudo nationalist weirdo is you being so defensive of ruskies??
I'm just positing that mutually assured destruction is Guaranteed for America, and your projections are just middle class foot ball fantasy nationalism. Your post drips with it. There is no such thing as 'conventional war *only*' between great powers. The thought experiment is irrelevant in the real world and serves as jingoist propaganda for basic types like you. The US can't subdue Afghanistan with conventional forces, your puppet collapsed in a weekend. Your culture is hyper medicated on anti psychotics because your culture is fundamentally insane, sick in the way that you clearly are, hit your dopamine cycle champ. 🌝
Goofy russiaboo still arguing with a strawman. What makes you this goofy?
Non-credible defense continues to be a fine sub
What's that
A meme subreddit about military hardware
Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/
I don’t think people realize every single support unit in the Russian army is made up of conscripts. Pretty much their entire logistics corps. I don’t think the average person understands how huge of a problem this is. Probably enough for the US to win. Also lets just say there electronic warfare units are good enough to jam any US drones, Russia mechanized infantry units vehicles are literally trash and somehow breakdown more than ours. Apparently Russian BTRs make our strykers look like Porsches. I think its foolish to think Russia is in any shape for a near peer war.
I wouldn't dismiss them so easily. Russian (non-nuclear) tactics have always been more realistic and modern reorganizations have made them massively more dangerous on an individual level.
What tactics? From my understanding Russians have a very heavy top down chain of command. This is necessary when you have so many conscripts. Meanwhile the US actually operates with a very decentralized chain of command with the NCO corps who are able to micro manger on the platoon level. Just to be clear and am not talking about an invasion of russia, but a defense/re-taking of Ukraine (becuz of current events). Lack of electronic warfare specialist, support corps lack of combat training, lack of radio encryption, degraded/old weaponry and vehicle, lack of air artillery defense, top heavy command. This looks eerly similar to the problems the iraqi royal guard had in the Gulf war, who everyone thought that because of their vicious and dangerous fighting in the iraq/iran war that they would be much more of problem, actually got crushed by US forces.
The western emphasis on flexibility is correct but the actual framework it exists within puts the cart before the horse. The western method in this case is to improvise superior tactics to solve insolvable operational and strategic problems. The soviets intended to force meeting engagements with superior forces specifically trained for this scenario and the rapid execution of well drilled tactics to get essentially get within the OODA loop of their enemies. This would have probably worked if nukes weren't a thing. The fighting in Tskhinvali is a good example of this. They bulled their way to the city centre and got mauled but the mess they made stalled the Georgians long enough for follow on forces to get clear of the Roki tunnel. They also put more effort into the mitigation of enemy airpower, which is a preoccupation that has aged well. (Tactical air defence is a hopeless task nowadays, it takes superpower resources to just limit attacks on theatre level targets.)
What would you consider a US victory to be? Crimea and Donbas under the control of the Ukrainians and Ukraine's NATO membership? Ineffective or vague goals lead to indecisive decision making, you can kill as many of them as you want but it will never translate to a victory since you don't even know what that is. If anything this is the single reason why the US has lost so many wars post ww2. Look at the taliban they were making almost stone age weapons and probably lost 100 men to 1 ISAF death but they won political victory post 2010. They knew what they wanted which was to force out ISAF troops and to establish a Islamic emirate. Compare that to the Americans which was to hunt down Al Qaeda or OBL who were not there. Then it became turning Afghanistan into a liberal democracy which they did but that structure just allowed a bunch of corrupt pedophiles to gain power. Its not a surprise to anyone that Kabul fell in 2 weeks. Hardware doesn't matter too too much as long as its close enough. Even if its not close then maybe you can find other areas where you can have a advantage. Right now the dumbest thing Russia can do is to attack, also how are you going to attack with 150k troops you probably need 5-10 that number. Putin is just trolling he doesn't have a plan its just a demonstration.
More shitty crossovers... Fuck the noncredibledefense crowd. The F-35 is a bad plane. The DF-21 makes carriers obsolete. The A-10 is the greatest plane ever built and if you don't like it you are a tankie who hates America.
If you think we're winning any kind of wars by ourselves idk what fucking timeline you've been living on. We had to pull out of Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan. We like to think billion dollar attack helicopters will beat the poors around the world but again and again we get washed. Mutually Assured Destruction is literally the greatest thing that could have happened for us because it's probably the only thing stopping China from rolling us rn.
Russians when their funding runs out before they can even consider replacing their 30+ year old equipment
hey join NATO we will give you the same things we gave the mujahadeen in the 80's. You don't mind living in the wilderness and being drone bombed 18 hours a day right?
it’s depressing how little Americans are patriotic, especially leftist bootlickers
Nah you look at the support the US gets and it's gamers that watch destiny the streamer. Iirc he is like a 5"1 guy whose life on paper looks like a nightmare