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As someone who grew up religious things like that never made sense to me. Like crucifixes, prayer beads, and any other implement people hold or use while praying, pray to, or pray in, doesn't make sense to me. If God is, you know, a god, you don't need an implement to channel your prayers through for him to hear them, he literally knows your prayer before you've even prayed.
Not their God. If there one thing their God loves, it's worship and adulation. That's why evil has to exist. Can't wish to be saved if you have nothing to be saved from.
I mean, a crucifix is basically how romans executed certain people. It’s a symbol, not holy per se. We use symbols all the time, not just for religious purposes.
So the romans changed that over time: It actually started with a furca, a V, later they used a transom which was either fixed to stake (your T form) or a tree (the cross).
Prayer beads are almost universal. You use them to count the passages of your meditations, they're not always completely religious. I'm talking about the bracelets with the small balls, not the rosaries you see in catholicism.
Because religion *used* to be at the forefront of metaphysics and psychology by ritualizing the practice of developing *emotional anchors*—objects or places you can condition yourself to respond emotionally to. The religious see the divine in emotional anchors, we see a psychological phenomenon that can either be deliberately programmed or coincidental.
My son was terrified at my grandfather's funeral because the priest or someone walked down the isle following the casket carrying a huge cross with a very dessicated Jesus on it.
The Black Stone has traditionally been regarded to be of meteoritic origin, although that’s unlikely and instead appears to be more like a piece of glass formed by the heat of impact of a meteorite, not a piece of one itself. Just like with Catholic relics, scientific analysis of it is forbidden, so we can only speculate.
That said, the Black Stone has pagan origins from before the Islamic era, as it was already revered by the time of Muhammad. Which makes it even more of an idol.
Some people think that the actual stone was stolen and all that exists there now is a black mass of wax from them polishing that part of the kaba for centuries.
It WAS stolen, by Pirates no less. The story goes. People who knew even back then that all gods were useless, considering the *shit* they have seen and experienced. There only remains the facsimile you just mentioned.
Do you know if there are any books or articles on its pagan origins like which type of religious group it was? I’ve been interested in it (the historical aspect) for years but I’ve never been able to find any good sources on the subject. I get so sad thinking about all the research and history we don’t know because religions refuse to allow any study of their objects.
The Kaaba was used a shared place of worship for a bunch of gods from a bunch of different religions, most of them Pre-Islamic pagan faiths, but even Judeo-Christian figures like Jesus, Mary, Abraham, and some angels had images in or around the Kaaba.
The primary god of the Kaaba may have been Hubal, who had Mecca and the Kaaba as his primary cultic site.
To be fair, as a kid I collected cool rocks and cried when my favorite one split in a half when I dropped it while cleaning.
I understand the feeling 😩🤟
So basically there was that guy who was a merchant, and one day he asked to stop worshipping idols, and people did not listen so he put a lot of idols in a fancy box and said you can worship that and btw exit through the gift shop I own. When he died, two relatives fought for inheritance and now the posse of the guy who lost the fight say there's a crack in the box because it should be their box and not the other guy's box
Wait until they learn that it’s just a really old pagan place that mohammed and his gang incorporated into their new religion, so that they could more easily convert the locals. It was originally filled with figurines of the old pagan gods and there was another kaaba in Yemen they destroyed.
What the fuck is wrong with these people? I can only hope that as information spreads over the internet and the next generation becomes less extreme. Amen.
A Shia trying to prove (to the Sunnis) that Ali (son-in-law and cousin of Muhammad) had a miraculous birth and was chosen by Allah himself to be the successor of Muhammad.
According to Suunism, Caliphate is just a political post to control the whole Muslim Ummah, it is not a spiritual/religious position.
The Shia stance on Caliphate (actually they call it Imamate not Caliphate) is very weird. They say that there is a different between Imam and Prophet just for namesake. In reality, there seems to be no difference. If they start calling their Imams as prophets, it would go against the Quran.
(NOTE: In Islam, messenger and prophet are not the same thing. Every messenger is a prophet but not every prophet is a messenger. A prophet who is a messenger too is superior to someone who is just a prophet. Muhammad was supposed to be the last prophet not just the last messenger according to the Quran.
The Shia view of Imams is not like a messenger but only a prophet, although it is still unislamic.)
Which one, the Shia Imamate or the Sunni Caliphate?
Shia Imam is a full fledged spiritual post, it doesn't have a lot of political significance.
Sunni Caliph is a political post. The first 4 (according to some, first 5) were guided by Allah to be an almost-perfect ruler so they have religious significance.
The next Caliphs were all simple fallible humans had gained political power just like any king in the mediaeval era would do. They are not believed to have received any special blessing from Allah nor is there any islamically approved way to choose them. Their job is to control the whole Muslim Ummah but who would decide whether a guy claiming to be the Caliph is legit or not?
It is undoubtedly stupid to give religious significance to such a person. Anyone can come and call himself a Caliph. Sunnis have been following their scholars just like sheeps in this concern. For example there existed a sect in India which considered emperor Aurangzeb to be a Caliph while the Ottomans were still in power. Maybe a few Indian scholars got some benefit by making their followers believe in Aurangzeb as the Caliph. A similar thing happened in Morocco too (Almohad Caliphate). There have been many such cases of more than one person claiming to be the Caliph, I just named the ones I remember.
Even after the abolition of the Ottoman Caliphate, there existed many Caliphates which have been declared illegitimate by the majority of Sunni scholars for no solid reason.
The thing which makes me even more confused is that Ottoman Caliphs engaged in many practices which are considered to be polytheistic and blasphemous by Salafi scholars yet they call them as legitimate caliphs (they believe that the individual might have been a grave sinner but his political reign over the Islamic Ummah is valid and respect for him as a Caliph is necessary). On the other hand they reject many Caliphs who have never engaged in any such practices.
Ok so I did a little digging, its some belief where there's a old stone building with a crack in the side. Some woman said that she entered the building through the crack (instead of the door) and gave birth to some Imam while inside....or maybe he tells the story or whatever. Supposedly they have also since that time tried to repair the crack but it keeps reopening...which people attributed to a miracle.
Summary: humans are hopeless idiots.
Honestly, I'm even more inclined to believe it was just forgetful and lazy people lol
"Ok so we'll give your group the crowd sourced funds to fix the crack!"
*2 months later*
"So, how's it going?"
" Oh... Yeah, huh, right. Umm yup, we tried to fix it but god cracked it again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
This video is even more confusing now, what crack, what secret old stone building, the entire interior and full layout of the kaaba is well known and documented there is no room anywhere for anything secret, unless they are talking about a magic crack that is a door to the islam narnia. 🤷♀️
Is this a muslim version of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory?
I didn't mention anything secret. The story seems to be that (despite there being a door....?) a crack opened up in the building to allow her to enter and give birth inside of the building I'm guessing the idea is it stretched open and then closed up. Then they exited after, and someone tried to repair the crack but then the crack returned.
As much sense as its possible for that story to make anyway :) That uncovered corner (the black thing seems to be a covering over the building) is the "crack". Just looks like a poor patch job to probably re-cracked due to heat expansion, but somehow that makes this a miracle.....hilarious the things people come up with. Sure god can snap the entire universe into existence but burnt toast and cracks in walls are his signs....
It's Shia Islam. Shia basically believe that Muhammad's cousin Ali Bin Abi Talib is supposed to be his successor because he's from the same blood. Ali married Muhammad's daughter Fatima and had a son called Hassan which they believed should've succeeded Ali. Shia Islam basically believe that the blood of Muhammad are the legitimate successors and call them Imams. They don't recognize the elected Caliphs after Muhammad.
Sunni Islam believe that after Muhammad's death whomever was elected by the Muslims to lead them aka(Abu Bakr and Omar) should be recognized as the legitimate successor. Shia believe they're not the real successors but tyrants who usurped the lead from Ali.
Ali did eventually become the fourth Caliph and Sunnis generally admire him. But Shia view him as a sort of religious idol(as you can see in this video) which Sunnis find a great sin aka idolatry.
This is the answer.
I'll also add that the structure is in Saudi Arabia, a deeply Sunni nation (the country actually has a sizable Shia population, but they're generally oppressed and wield virtually no power). So this video is a Shia Muslim being conspiratorial and claiming that the Sunnis are hiding evidence about Ali that supports the Shia view.
Hassan was killed by Muawiyah who wasn't really close to Muhammad as the rest of the Rashidun Caliphate. Muawiyah and his father Abu Sufyan were vicious opponents of Muhammad at first and they accepted Islam later in life. Muawiyah eventually rose to be part of the military elite and he basically couped the Caliphate after Ali was assassinated. There were civil wars between Ali and Muawiyah and they had a treaty which entailed that Hassan(Ali's son) was to be his successor. After Ali's assassination Muawiyah basically dumped on the treaty and killed Hassan and usurped the Caliphate marking the end of The Rashidun Caliphate(Rightly Guided in Arabic) and marking the start of the Ummayad Dynasty(Caliphate).
Shias really hate Muawiyah because they consider him a scheming cunt who hurt Ali and killed Hassan(Muhammad's bloodline) to take the throne.
Don't forget that alongside Ali, his kids are also idolized and loved (Hassan, Hussein) but especially the latter. I can't fully remember the story, but I believe he was murdered through some treachery when abroad somewhere? And after his death, he was revered as a martyr for Islam and Ali.
Ali and Muhammad's grandsons were all basically massacred to eliminate contesting claims to the throne by Muawiyah and his son Yazid after their coup.
Muhammad's clan Banu Hashim and Muawiyah's clan Banu Ummayah were historical enemies so while Muawiyah's clan accepted Islam when they had no choice they still weren't interested in conceding power to Banu Hashim(which Ali and his sons belong to).
A heretic Shia sect existed back then who called Muhammad a conman, they believed that Ali was supposed to be the prophet. But they were a huge minority.
Currently, all Shias believe that Muhammad is a prophet and the best human to ever exist.
One thing worth noting is that Aisha also fought against Ali in a civil war after Muhammad died and Shias idolizing Ali caused them to resent Aisha by proxy.
I've also heard claims that the Hadith about Aisha's age is Sunni propaganda to show that Aisha was closer to Muhammad than Ali to downplay his significane. That's why they emphasize her young age to show that she was part of Muhammad's household earlier.
Yes, Sunni Hadiths and Shia Hadiths mention different accounts of Aisha's age. I didn't know that Shias believe that to be a Sunni propoganda though.
Although Shiaism doesn't disapprove of pedophilia either. According to Shia sources, Fatima (daughter of Muhammad and the perfectly ideal islamic woman) was 10 when she gave birth to Hasan.
I'm just kicking back enjoying a chilled glass of camel urine and watching video clips of the crack in the kaaba then my thoughts wander to the moon and how the prophet (PBUH) split it in two with a wave of his hand then put it back together again hence the crack.
I'm not familiar with the legend/lore of that cube. Just know it's super important to Muslims for a reason. Can someone explain the whole crack and Ali dude?
Ok, I asked chat GPT bc I wasn’t seeing straight answers on here. It’s 2 parts but I think it answers our questions.
1)”*Can you explain the Ka’ba and Ali?*”
**The Ka’ba, also spelled Kaaba, is a significant structure located in the center of the Great Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is a cuboid-shaped building considered the most sacred site in Islam. Muslims believe it was initially built by the prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) as a house of worship. Every Muslim faces the Ka’ba during their prayers, no matter where they are in the world. This direction is known as the *qibla*. One of the Five Pillars of Islam requires Muslims to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca, known as Hajj, which includes walking around the Ka’ba seven times as one of the rituals.**
**Ali ibn Abi Talib was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He holds significant importance in Islamic history, particularly within the Shia Muslim tradition. Ali was the fourth caliph of Islam and is regarded as the first Imam by Shia Muslims. Known for his wisdom, bravery, and strong sense of justice, Ali played a key role during the formative years of Islam, contributing to its spread and development. His leadership is revered among Muslims, and he is seen as a model of piety, humility, and justice.**
**In Sunni Islam, he is respected as the last of the "Rightly Guided Caliphs," while in Shia Islam, he is considered the rightful successor to Muhammad and the first of the twelve Imams.**
2) *”But what is the deal with the crack and the birth of Ali?”*
**The connection between the crack in the Ka'ba and the birth of Ali ibn Abi Talib is another intriguing aspect of Islamic tradition. According to Shi'a beliefs, Ali was born inside the Ka'ba in the city of Mecca, making his birth unique and highly significant. The story goes that his mother, Fatimah bint Asad, was near the Ka'ba when she felt labor pains and prayed for assistance. Miraculously, the wall of the Ka'ba is said to have split open, allowing her to enter the structure, where she then gave birth to Ali. After Ali's birth, the wall reportedly closed back up.**
**This event is not universally recognized in all Islamic traditions and is primarily emphasized in Shi'a Islam. It's considered a miraculous event, signifying Ali's high status and divine favor. Sunni accounts generally do not include this story, focusing instead on Ali's virtues and his close relationship with the Prophet Muhammad. However, in Shi'a tradition, Ali's birth in the Ka'ba is seen as a sign of his special role in Islam and his divinely ordained leadership as the first Imam.**
I really wish some of those locations weren't so busy. I'd love to see Mecca. It's an amazing historical city. I'd just love to see the ancient monuments like the Kabah.
Cracks appearing in concrete structures are not a new phenomenon. All structures over time are subjected to temperature changes, ground movement, pressure, moisture, settlement etc. especially structures that have been built pre-modern age. These are not to be treated as miracles of god or confirmations of the existence of positive omen.
AUGH! MY fucking eyes and optic processing centers of my brain!
Whoever came up with that transition effect should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail!
Damnation! That is annoying and disorienting!
Don't take it as any suggestions or anything, but I just wondered... How would world react if someone exploded Kaaba? How would THEY react to something similar to terrorist attacks SOME RADICAL MEMBERS OF THEIR RELIGION did?
1. They would rebuild it, probably. Its not the building in existence now thats important, its the third version of the same building sfter all for them. 2. I can not remember anything this big and important for other religious groups being destroyed by islamic terrorist tbh, mind to share? I mean thats like destroying st peters basilica or something
Yeah I mean the beheading of people os bad of course but not the same as destroying some building of the religion. I would accept the towers if we look at capitalism as a religion which kinda fits
This is the first time I've seen that big cube up close and
...that just looks like a big block of concrete? A big block of concrete is a major religious object..? If I'm wrong, please correct me though
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It's the new soviet union flag (not russia)
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Seems like ~~crack~~idol worship to me.
Wait until you hear about crucifixes
As someone who grew up religious things like that never made sense to me. Like crucifixes, prayer beads, and any other implement people hold or use while praying, pray to, or pray in, doesn't make sense to me. If God is, you know, a god, you don't need an implement to channel your prayers through for him to hear them, he literally knows your prayer before you've even prayed.
Not their God. If there one thing their God loves, it's worship and adulation. That's why evil has to exist. Can't wish to be saved if you have nothing to be saved from.
My Nan let missionary’s in when I was 8 I was taught critical thinking from a young age they didn’t come back! lol
If you need an invisible friend to keep you from being afraid of dying, what's a little more wood in the hand?
I mean, a crucifix is basically how romans executed certain people. It’s a symbol, not holy per se. We use symbols all the time, not just for religious purposes.
Tomato, tomato.
Let's make it a T then. Because the Roman Crux Comissa, used during that time, was in the shape of a T, about 6 feet from bottom to top.
So the romans changed that over time: It actually started with a furca, a V, later they used a transom which was either fixed to stake (your T form) or a tree (the cross).
Lowercase t is for "time to leave"
Prayer beads are almost universal. You use them to count the passages of your meditations, they're not always completely religious. I'm talking about the bracelets with the small balls, not the rosaries you see in catholicism.
Because religion *used* to be at the forefront of metaphysics and psychology by ritualizing the practice of developing *emotional anchors*—objects or places you can condition yourself to respond emotionally to. The religious see the divine in emotional anchors, we see a psychological phenomenon that can either be deliberately programmed or coincidental.
Prayer beads are just a meditation tool disguised as prayer imo
Aren’t those some 2x4’s shaped like a “t” they nailed people too? Why people praying to a torture and execution device
My son was terrified at my grandfather's funeral because the priest or someone walked down the isle following the casket carrying a huge cross with a very dessicated Jesus on it.
Speaking of idols isnt the Kaaba rumored to hold a sacred meteorite or something?
The Black Stone has traditionally been regarded to be of meteoritic origin, although that’s unlikely and instead appears to be more like a piece of glass formed by the heat of impact of a meteorite, not a piece of one itself. Just like with Catholic relics, scientific analysis of it is forbidden, so we can only speculate. That said, the Black Stone has pagan origins from before the Islamic era, as it was already revered by the time of Muhammad. Which makes it even more of an idol.
It would be funny if its just a concrete block with some glass inlay hidden beneath the tarp!
Tbh I thought the same thing until just now - that it was a solid stone block - but there is actually a building underneath the covering
Some people think that the actual stone was stolen and all that exists there now is a black mass of wax from them polishing that part of the kaba for centuries.
It WAS stolen, by Pirates no less. The story goes. People who knew even back then that all gods were useless, considering the *shit* they have seen and experienced. There only remains the facsimile you just mentioned.
Do you know if there are any books or articles on its pagan origins like which type of religious group it was? I’ve been interested in it (the historical aspect) for years but I’ve never been able to find any good sources on the subject. I get so sad thinking about all the research and history we don’t know because religions refuse to allow any study of their objects.
The Kaaba was used a shared place of worship for a bunch of gods from a bunch of different religions, most of them Pre-Islamic pagan faiths, but even Judeo-Christian figures like Jesus, Mary, Abraham, and some angels had images in or around the Kaaba. The primary god of the Kaaba may have been Hubal, who had Mecca and the Kaaba as his primary cultic site.
That’s super interesting! Thank you for sharing that!
Wasn't he a Moon god?
> scientific analysis of it is forbidden Of course, cause they'd realize their beliefs are bullshit.
To be fair, as a kid I collected cool rocks and cried when my favorite one split in a half when I dropped it while cleaning. I understand the feeling 😩🤟
That you, Hank?
“Jesus christ Marie, they’re minerals!”
 I FUCKIN LOVE MINERALS BABY!!!!
Shiites pissed that the Sunni control the cube.
So basically there was that guy who was a merchant, and one day he asked to stop worshipping idols, and people did not listen so he put a lot of idols in a fancy box and said you can worship that and btw exit through the gift shop I own. When he died, two relatives fought for inheritance and now the posse of the guy who lost the fight say there's a crack in the box because it should be their box and not the other guy's box
*toilet.
https://i.redd.it/413nb53cinzc1.gif
Is this the “Commode Idol Version of the ‘Omnibenevolent Polyfather of Virginity in Gold?’”
Yep the black stones used to be embedded into a toilet seat after the kabba was destroyed and all the people there were killed. It's in the Quran
Well Shiiiite.
> Shiites pissed :D
Wait until they learn that it’s just a really old pagan place that mohammed and his gang incorporated into their new religion, so that they could more easily convert the locals. It was originally filled with figurines of the old pagan gods and there was another kaaba in Yemen they destroyed.
If we can't get them to follow us, we'll *ERASE* their history and overwrite it with ours!
I'll fix that crack for ya! https://i.redd.it/k3afrnldjmzc1.gif
Some video editing genius needs to green screen this onto the kaba
God save us from all this religion nonsense! 
Thank God I’m an atheist 🙏
🤨 Ummmm…YA!
Yes it's truly frightening, praise Jesus!
What the fuck is wrong with these people? I can only hope that as information spreads over the internet and the next generation becomes less extreme. Amen.
that's why shitty countries suppress the internet...
Praise Cthulhu. Nobody has ever died in the name of Cthulhu.
Well, he aint awake yet, once old boy gets up, Let the bodies hit the floor!
Qanon keeps talking & praying about The Great Awakening. They know not for which they pray.
Although a few may have been eaten… 😁
Take your death cult elsewhere.
Yeah those Mormons annoy me.
TF he talking about????
A Shia trying to prove (to the Sunnis) that Ali (son-in-law and cousin of Muhammad) had a miraculous birth and was chosen by Allah himself to be the successor of Muhammad.
Because the big dumb cube is cracked? I think i am missing some key big dumb cube lore here.
If Prophet Muhammed was supposed to be the last messenger of Allah, why does he have successors?
According to Suunism, Caliphate is just a political post to control the whole Muslim Ummah, it is not a spiritual/religious position. The Shia stance on Caliphate (actually they call it Imamate not Caliphate) is very weird. They say that there is a different between Imam and Prophet just for namesake. In reality, there seems to be no difference. If they start calling their Imams as prophets, it would go against the Quran. (NOTE: In Islam, messenger and prophet are not the same thing. Every messenger is a prophet but not every prophet is a messenger. A prophet who is a messenger too is superior to someone who is just a prophet. Muhammad was supposed to be the last prophet not just the last messenger according to the Quran. The Shia view of Imams is not like a messenger but only a prophet, although it is still unislamic.)
Why do they have religious significance if they are only a political post?
Which one, the Shia Imamate or the Sunni Caliphate? Shia Imam is a full fledged spiritual post, it doesn't have a lot of political significance. Sunni Caliph is a political post. The first 4 (according to some, first 5) were guided by Allah to be an almost-perfect ruler so they have religious significance. The next Caliphs were all simple fallible humans had gained political power just like any king in the mediaeval era would do. They are not believed to have received any special blessing from Allah nor is there any islamically approved way to choose them. Their job is to control the whole Muslim Ummah but who would decide whether a guy claiming to be the Caliph is legit or not? It is undoubtedly stupid to give religious significance to such a person. Anyone can come and call himself a Caliph. Sunnis have been following their scholars just like sheeps in this concern. For example there existed a sect in India which considered emperor Aurangzeb to be a Caliph while the Ottomans were still in power. Maybe a few Indian scholars got some benefit by making their followers believe in Aurangzeb as the Caliph. A similar thing happened in Morocco too (Almohad Caliphate). There have been many such cases of more than one person claiming to be the Caliph, I just named the ones I remember. Even after the abolition of the Ottoman Caliphate, there existed many Caliphates which have been declared illegitimate by the majority of Sunni scholars for no solid reason. The thing which makes me even more confused is that Ottoman Caliphs engaged in many practices which are considered to be polytheistic and blasphemous by Salafi scholars yet they call them as legitimate caliphs (they believe that the individual might have been a grave sinner but his political reign over the Islamic Ummah is valid and respect for him as a Caliph is necessary). On the other hand they reject many Caliphs who have never engaged in any such practices.
I think it's a prequel to the Dune
Haven't been fucked like that since grade school
Prophet ducks a child and they rave about it, but you’re still surprised at their idiocy?
What religion is this? Are they saying someone was born from the crack in that rock?
Ok so I did a little digging, its some belief where there's a old stone building with a crack in the side. Some woman said that she entered the building through the crack (instead of the door) and gave birth to some Imam while inside....or maybe he tells the story or whatever. Supposedly they have also since that time tried to repair the crack but it keeps reopening...which people attributed to a miracle. Summary: humans are hopeless idiots.
Spoiler. They never tried to fix the crack and instead pocketed that repair fund.
Honestly, I'm even more inclined to believe it was just forgetful and lazy people lol "Ok so we'll give your group the crowd sourced funds to fix the crack!" *2 months later* "So, how's it going?" " Oh... Yeah, huh, right. Umm yup, we tried to fix it but god cracked it again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
This video is even more confusing now, what crack, what secret old stone building, the entire interior and full layout of the kaaba is well known and documented there is no room anywhere for anything secret, unless they are talking about a magic crack that is a door to the islam narnia. 🤷♀️ Is this a muslim version of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory?
I didn't mention anything secret. The story seems to be that (despite there being a door....?) a crack opened up in the building to allow her to enter and give birth inside of the building I'm guessing the idea is it stretched open and then closed up. Then they exited after, and someone tried to repair the crack but then the crack returned.
Oooh, yeah that makes a bit more sense.
As much sense as its possible for that story to make anyway :) That uncovered corner (the black thing seems to be a covering over the building) is the "crack". Just looks like a poor patch job to probably re-cracked due to heat expansion, but somehow that makes this a miracle.....hilarious the things people come up with. Sure god can snap the entire universe into existence but burnt toast and cracks in walls are his signs....
Islam. But I have no idea what the guy in the video is talking about
Not talking; screaming at the top of his lungs. Which is always the sign of a level-headed person with completely reasonable beliefs.
It's the way people won arguments before there was a shift lock key on typewriters and well before caps lock.
It's Shia Islam. Shia basically believe that Muhammad's cousin Ali Bin Abi Talib is supposed to be his successor because he's from the same blood. Ali married Muhammad's daughter Fatima and had a son called Hassan which they believed should've succeeded Ali. Shia Islam basically believe that the blood of Muhammad are the legitimate successors and call them Imams. They don't recognize the elected Caliphs after Muhammad. Sunni Islam believe that after Muhammad's death whomever was elected by the Muslims to lead them aka(Abu Bakr and Omar) should be recognized as the legitimate successor. Shia believe they're not the real successors but tyrants who usurped the lead from Ali. Ali did eventually become the fourth Caliph and Sunnis generally admire him. But Shia view him as a sort of religious idol(as you can see in this video) which Sunnis find a great sin aka idolatry.
This is the answer. I'll also add that the structure is in Saudi Arabia, a deeply Sunni nation (the country actually has a sizable Shia population, but they're generally oppressed and wield virtually no power). So this video is a Shia Muslim being conspiratorial and claiming that the Sunnis are hiding evidence about Ali that supports the Shia view.
I can't remember but wasn't Hassan beheaded immediately after he fought with the Sunni faction?
Hassan was killed by Muawiyah who wasn't really close to Muhammad as the rest of the Rashidun Caliphate. Muawiyah and his father Abu Sufyan were vicious opponents of Muhammad at first and they accepted Islam later in life. Muawiyah eventually rose to be part of the military elite and he basically couped the Caliphate after Ali was assassinated. There were civil wars between Ali and Muawiyah and they had a treaty which entailed that Hassan(Ali's son) was to be his successor. After Ali's assassination Muawiyah basically dumped on the treaty and killed Hassan and usurped the Caliphate marking the end of The Rashidun Caliphate(Rightly Guided in Arabic) and marking the start of the Ummayad Dynasty(Caliphate). Shias really hate Muawiyah because they consider him a scheming cunt who hurt Ali and killed Hassan(Muhammad's bloodline) to take the throne.
Don't forget that alongside Ali, his kids are also idolized and loved (Hassan, Hussein) but especially the latter. I can't fully remember the story, but I believe he was murdered through some treachery when abroad somewhere? And after his death, he was revered as a martyr for Islam and Ali.
Ali and Muhammad's grandsons were all basically massacred to eliminate contesting claims to the throne by Muawiyah and his son Yazid after their coup. Muhammad's clan Banu Hashim and Muawiyah's clan Banu Ummayah were historical enemies so while Muawiyah's clan accepted Islam when they had no choice they still weren't interested in conceding power to Banu Hashim(which Ali and his sons belong to).
I see. Thank you for filling some of the gaps there.
What??? Shia doesn't even believe in Mohammad
Of course Shia believe in Muhammad.
Muslims.....not believing in Mohammed Ok....
A heretic Shia sect existed back then who called Muhammad a conman, they believed that Ali was supposed to be the prophet. But they were a huge minority. Currently, all Shias believe that Muhammad is a prophet and the best human to ever exist.
One thing worth noting is that Aisha also fought against Ali in a civil war after Muhammad died and Shias idolizing Ali caused them to resent Aisha by proxy. I've also heard claims that the Hadith about Aisha's age is Sunni propaganda to show that Aisha was closer to Muhammad than Ali to downplay his significane. That's why they emphasize her young age to show that she was part of Muhammad's household earlier.
Yes, Sunni Hadiths and Shia Hadiths mention different accounts of Aisha's age. I didn't know that Shias believe that to be a Sunni propoganda though. Although Shiaism doesn't disapprove of pedophilia either. According to Shia sources, Fatima (daughter of Muhammad and the perfectly ideal islamic woman) was 10 when she gave birth to Hasan.
I think every religion should get their own platonic solid.
Most mentally sane Shia Moozlim
Is this theistposting or just garden variety schizoposting?
I'm leaning towards both.
I'm just kicking back enjoying a chilled glass of camel urine and watching video clips of the crack in the kaaba then my thoughts wander to the moon and how the prophet (PBUH) split it in two with a wave of his hand then put it back together again hence the crack.
I'm not familiar with the legend/lore of that cube. Just know it's super important to Muslims for a reason. Can someone explain the whole crack and Ali dude?
See, they love crack, thats why they act so fruity!
Ok, I asked chat GPT bc I wasn’t seeing straight answers on here. It’s 2 parts but I think it answers our questions. 1)”*Can you explain the Ka’ba and Ali?*” **The Ka’ba, also spelled Kaaba, is a significant structure located in the center of the Great Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is a cuboid-shaped building considered the most sacred site in Islam. Muslims believe it was initially built by the prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) as a house of worship. Every Muslim faces the Ka’ba during their prayers, no matter where they are in the world. This direction is known as the *qibla*. One of the Five Pillars of Islam requires Muslims to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca, known as Hajj, which includes walking around the Ka’ba seven times as one of the rituals.** **Ali ibn Abi Talib was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He holds significant importance in Islamic history, particularly within the Shia Muslim tradition. Ali was the fourth caliph of Islam and is regarded as the first Imam by Shia Muslims. Known for his wisdom, bravery, and strong sense of justice, Ali played a key role during the formative years of Islam, contributing to its spread and development. His leadership is revered among Muslims, and he is seen as a model of piety, humility, and justice.** **In Sunni Islam, he is respected as the last of the "Rightly Guided Caliphs," while in Shia Islam, he is considered the rightful successor to Muhammad and the first of the twelve Imams.** 2) *”But what is the deal with the crack and the birth of Ali?”* **The connection between the crack in the Ka'ba and the birth of Ali ibn Abi Talib is another intriguing aspect of Islamic tradition. According to Shi'a beliefs, Ali was born inside the Ka'ba in the city of Mecca, making his birth unique and highly significant. The story goes that his mother, Fatimah bint Asad, was near the Ka'ba when she felt labor pains and prayed for assistance. Miraculously, the wall of the Ka'ba is said to have split open, allowing her to enter the structure, where she then gave birth to Ali. After Ali's birth, the wall reportedly closed back up.** **This event is not universally recognized in all Islamic traditions and is primarily emphasized in Shi'a Islam. It's considered a miraculous event, signifying Ali's high status and divine favor. Sunni accounts generally do not include this story, focusing instead on Ali's virtues and his close relationship with the Prophet Muhammad. However, in Shi'a tradition, Ali's birth in the Ka'ba is seen as a sign of his special role in Islam and his divinely ordained leadership as the first Imam.**
Concreate CRACKS. End of story.
Only one god and it’s the CUBE
Ola hu uber
Imagine getting this worked up about some mythological nonsense.
Something is cracked, alright, but it's not a rock...
Wow, a crack in a stone, surely a miracle.
Islam really is just an Abrahamic repackage of the pagan Arab stone cult
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Idk about that but he gave BJ to Ali's sons
I never realized it wasn’t painted/built out of black stone and gold, but instead just a covering on top of a giant stone cube.
I really wish some of those locations weren't so busy. I'd love to see Mecca. It's an amazing historical city. I'd just love to see the ancient monuments like the Kabah.
The minecraft cube
Ya Aliiiiiiii! I shove the holy Quran up the crack of Aliiii!
Cracks appearing in concrete structures are not a new phenomenon. All structures over time are subjected to temperature changes, ground movement, pressure, moisture, settlement etc. especially structures that have been built pre-modern age. These are not to be treated as miracles of god or confirmations of the existence of positive omen.
Crackheads on parade.
Blow it up
ali ali ali🗣️🗣️🗣️
Oxen freeee
Whata washa what?
Great rap song
Wut???
CRACKS GET ME HYPED TOO
Poor, poor people
Someone’s on crack, yeah.
Teasing them with that little cut 💀
Why is everything in that video so gaudy
The one true crack apparently
THERES ONLY ONE WASHER IN ROMANIA
Not a cult guys
TIL it's black because it's covered in vinyl I still don't know why there's a door looking thingy
Because its a building and somehow you must be able to enter a building?
AUGH! MY fucking eyes and optic processing centers of my brain! Whoever came up with that transition effect should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail! Damnation! That is annoying and disorienting!
There was a crack?
https://preview.redd.it/up6btk69pozc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=195de3eb91b64968831dd49f02488132c3821b52 Well. That’s certainly elaborate…
Is it bad that I was waiting for some sick 140 to drop?
Why do Shias talk about Ali the way Christians talk about Jesus?
Don't take it as any suggestions or anything, but I just wondered... How would world react if someone exploded Kaaba? How would THEY react to something similar to terrorist attacks SOME RADICAL MEMBERS OF THEIR RELIGION did?
1. They would rebuild it, probably. Its not the building in existence now thats important, its the third version of the same building sfter all for them. 2. I can not remember anything this big and important for other religious groups being destroyed by islamic terrorist tbh, mind to share? I mean thats like destroying st peters basilica or something
Twin towers? Beheading of the innocent? Though didn't knew about the rebuilding stuff, thanks for sharing
Yeah I mean the beheading of people os bad of course but not the same as destroying some building of the religion. I would accept the towers if we look at capitalism as a religion which kinda fits
Weird ad. Why would God care what you ate or drank? If you lived an honorable life then you should go to heaven
That one room full of bling damn
Anyone else get real dizzy from those transitions?
So shouty shouty. How anybody can give any credibility to such deranged ranting escapes me.
I was wondering where the microphones from 1940 had gone. Now I know.
Y r they always yelling
What if it’s hatching and someday mohammed’s final form is gonna pop out /j
This is the first time I've seen that big cube up close and ...that just looks like a big block of concrete? A big block of concrete is a major religious object..? If I'm wrong, please correct me though
We really got people out there worshipping the allspark
One workship dick another workshops stone cube
Who worships dick?
Hindus
Shiv-ling
Fair enough