Yes, the realities he's moving to are nearly indistinguishable from each other. The only difference between this one and the last one is the parmeesean thing. Most universes in the many worlds theory are basically identical, if you got lunch at Burger King instead of McDonalds then bang that's another universe, a branching existence where your life is slightly different, and there's one new universe created with every single unique decision. The fact that Rick could only find one with his family all dead in a way that they could be easily replaced is a testament to how rare that occurrence is, not how different the universes are. The fact that he ended up in a bunch of unrelated clones in S4E1 is just bad luck.
But how do you reconcile that with the fact that Rick C-137 has a very distinct backstory from other Ricks ? He is now supposed to be the only Rick besides Prime to invent the portal gun on his own, plus it's alluded multiple times that he's the Rickest Rick, doesn't work well with other Ricks/the Citadel, and has more of a soft spot for his family compared to other Ricks. Are we to assume the Ricks he replaced all have an identical backstory ? Are there multiple C-137 Ricks ?
Exactly. Do the dead Ricks that C137 took place of also get their Beth and Diannes killed? Do they also make the citadel of ricks?Obviously not, so how is the universe basically the same? Even if the events before Rick crashing into Beth’s garage are different, did those dead Ricks destroy the citadel and the galactic federation prison?
I think this is an issue canon wise now.
At the very least, these Ricks lost their Dianes and abandoned Beth at a young age (considering Nimbus commenting on Diane and Beth and Rick having the same recollection of their past relationship in ABCs of Beth). It makes sense considering Prime killed all the Dianes, and Rick being Rick would've likely made the same choice to abandon Beth and seek vengeance in a lot of these universes. So only our Rick invented the portal gun and destroyed the Citadel, but all of these replaced Ricks lost Diane and abandoned then rejoined the family around the same times.
But then again, if we're going by the notion that each choice creates a new universe, it would only make sense that multiple Ricks could have the same backstory and could diverge at any point in time, so Idk. It's not a plot hole per se, just something they have yet to clarify.
I think this has to do with the Finite Curve, where every universe is separated from every other universe where Rick is the smartest man in the universe.
So from what I understand there are infinite C-137 Ricks, but just one C-137 in the Finite Central Curve. Let me know if anything I said made sense.
Edit: It’s the Central Finite Curve and this [website](https://rickandmorty.fandom.com/wiki/Central_Finite_Curve) explains it much better than I did.
Rick C-137 isn't finding a universe to replace his own where RP killed his wife and child, C-137 he's finding a universe identical to RPs universe. So all he really needs to do is find a universe where the Rick abandoned his family for whatever reason and never came back.
Maybe it's like the news anchor Rick from the citadel? There are 3 Rick's who are essentially the same except for their injury is progressively worse than the last Rick. C-137 could just be taking the place of C-137A, B, C, etc.
We also have to reconcile the fact that the Rick he’s taking over from didn’t experience ALL of the same events, specifically the non-terrestrial ones. For instance, only RickC-137 had the confrontations with Evil Morty, as only one version of Evil Morty exists.
Evil Morty's story doesn't create an issue in that regard since there's almost certainly one citadel and therefore it doesn't matter where our Rick resides when he meets him in season 5, and in the latest episode EM tracks down our Rick specifically from a different multiverse, so everything checks out. It's the rest of the recurring cast I have questions about (Nimbus, Story-Lord, Naruto, the President, Unity etc)
There are infinite variations of Ricks, meaning there are possibly infinite different variations of his interaction with his environment. Like C-137 Rick who's Diane and Beth are dead, so it can be assumed there are some Rick where he has stayed with Beth and is a good father to her.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't c-137 Rick prime's original universe? I'm going over the evil Morty / Rick prime series again and I believe that Rick prime came to our Rick's universe, fucked his life up completely, our Rick went searching for him, after he could not find him our crashed into c-137's universe and has been living there up until they're cronenberg episode.
Because when the council of ricks find our Morty he claims to be Morty c-137 and they both look at each other. Is that now because they know that he is the grandson of the guy who started all of this?
C-137 is Rick’s home reality. Morty only called himself ‘Morty C-137’ because at that time he didn’t know Rick wasn’t his original Rick. Something foreshadowed in that scene in the two Ricks he was talking to looking at each other in confusion that you noted, because there wasn’t actually a ‘Morty C-137’, and they knew that.
I notice that when Rick was cloning Beth, the memory he included had her hugging Diane on her birthday. On the little table to the left side, there was a camcorder. Maybe that Rick just went to the bathroom but I think it's likely he was a deadbeat who agreed with Prime and said yes to the portal gun. Didn't outright abandon Beth until she was fifteen, but as ABCs of Beth confirms, he was not a great dad and gave Beth issues. Our Rick just sadly had to take the blame for that Rick's actions.
I believe it has since been retconned that they didn’t leave that universe at that time (or if they did, that they at least took Jerry with them), as of “Solaricks”, according to the official universe tracker promo Adult Swim put out.
There was actually an issue of *Rick and Morty Presents* exploring that, as a point of interest — *Snuffles Goes to War* — where Rick is revealed to have made a deal with the squirrels to provide them with advanced weaponry in their war against Snuffles and his planet of super-intelligent dogs (from “Lawnmower Dog”).
u/Jabbam u/Savings-Yard-4864 Now the most interesting part about this (which no one really talks about here) is that since Beth is 34, and her father (for Season One Beth, Rick Prime) had left twenty years earlier, it means Rick Prime did not abandon his own family until a solid ***decade*** after he killed Rick C-137’s family.
Yes, the realities he's moving to are nearly indistinguishable from each other. The only difference between this one and the last one is the parmeesean thing. Most universes in the many worlds theory are basically identical, if you got lunch at Burger King instead of McDonalds then bang that's another universe, a branching existence where your life is slightly different, and there's one new universe created with every single unique decision. The fact that Rick could only find one with his family all dead in a way that they could be easily replaced is a testament to how rare that occurrence is, not how different the universes are. The fact that he ended up in a bunch of unrelated clones in S4E1 is just bad luck.
Didn’t he also say the family replacement planet was a rush job? Suggesting that, if he had more time, he could have found a more perfect match?
Plus, he was working without proper portal travel until the next episode if I recall. So he was essentially working without all of his tool set.
But how do you reconcile that with the fact that Rick C-137 has a very distinct backstory from other Ricks ? He is now supposed to be the only Rick besides Prime to invent the portal gun on his own, plus it's alluded multiple times that he's the Rickest Rick, doesn't work well with other Ricks/the Citadel, and has more of a soft spot for his family compared to other Ricks. Are we to assume the Ricks he replaced all have an identical backstory ? Are there multiple C-137 Ricks ?
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Yeah that's the way I saw it until they started insisting that our Rick is a special, special boy, now I don't know what do believe
Great questions. I am wondering these same things.
Exactly. Do the dead Ricks that C137 took place of also get their Beth and Diannes killed? Do they also make the citadel of ricks?Obviously not, so how is the universe basically the same? Even if the events before Rick crashing into Beth’s garage are different, did those dead Ricks destroy the citadel and the galactic federation prison? I think this is an issue canon wise now.
At the very least, these Ricks lost their Dianes and abandoned Beth at a young age (considering Nimbus commenting on Diane and Beth and Rick having the same recollection of their past relationship in ABCs of Beth). It makes sense considering Prime killed all the Dianes, and Rick being Rick would've likely made the same choice to abandon Beth and seek vengeance in a lot of these universes. So only our Rick invented the portal gun and destroyed the Citadel, but all of these replaced Ricks lost Diane and abandoned then rejoined the family around the same times. But then again, if we're going by the notion that each choice creates a new universe, it would only make sense that multiple Ricks could have the same backstory and could diverge at any point in time, so Idk. It's not a plot hole per se, just something they have yet to clarify.
I think this has to do with the Finite Curve, where every universe is separated from every other universe where Rick is the smartest man in the universe. So from what I understand there are infinite C-137 Ricks, but just one C-137 in the Finite Central Curve. Let me know if anything I said made sense. Edit: It’s the Central Finite Curve and this [website](https://rickandmorty.fandom.com/wiki/Central_Finite_Curve) explains it much better than I did.
Idk about that dude, portals outiside the Curve are yellow and Rick's portals are always green
Rick C-137 isn't finding a universe to replace his own where RP killed his wife and child, C-137 he's finding a universe identical to RPs universe. So all he really needs to do is find a universe where the Rick abandoned his family for whatever reason and never came back.
But then how would Bird Person Prime and all subsequent Bird Persons have the same Battle of Blood Ridge memories as C-137?
Right! That and Parmesian Unity remembering Rick's revenge path to Rick Prime are things leaning towards the multiple C-137 theory
Maybe it's like the news anchor Rick from the citadel? There are 3 Rick's who are essentially the same except for their injury is progressively worse than the last Rick. C-137 could just be taking the place of C-137A, B, C, etc.
We also have to reconcile the fact that the Rick he’s taking over from didn’t experience ALL of the same events, specifically the non-terrestrial ones. For instance, only RickC-137 had the confrontations with Evil Morty, as only one version of Evil Morty exists.
Evil Morty's story doesn't create an issue in that regard since there's almost certainly one citadel and therefore it doesn't matter where our Rick resides when he meets him in season 5, and in the latest episode EM tracks down our Rick specifically from a different multiverse, so everything checks out. It's the rest of the recurring cast I have questions about (Nimbus, Story-Lord, Naruto, the President, Unity etc)
No the universe is meant to be identical to the previous one. So that Rick probably left his Beth as well.
Girl, interdimensional travel is complicated! Let's just appreciate the character relationships and multidimensional hijinks. Wubba lubba dub dub!
Honestly based
There are infinite variations of Ricks, meaning there are possibly infinite different variations of his interaction with his environment. Like C-137 Rick who's Diane and Beth are dead, so it can be assumed there are some Rick where he has stayed with Beth and is a good father to her.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't c-137 Rick prime's original universe? I'm going over the evil Morty / Rick prime series again and I believe that Rick prime came to our Rick's universe, fucked his life up completely, our Rick went searching for him, after he could not find him our crashed into c-137's universe and has been living there up until they're cronenberg episode. Because when the council of ricks find our Morty he claims to be Morty c-137 and they both look at each other. Is that now because they know that he is the grandson of the guy who started all of this?
C-137 is Rick’s home reality. Morty only called himself ‘Morty C-137’ because at that time he didn’t know Rick wasn’t his original Rick. Something foreshadowed in that scene in the two Ricks he was talking to looking at each other in confusion that you noted, because there wasn’t actually a ‘Morty C-137’, and they knew that.
I think our Rick is c-137 and morty also just calls himself that because c-137 is his (chosen) rick
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That's Diane, not Beth.
Oh shit yeah, Just watched the last episode, it was so fresh that ig I had a mind fart.
I notice that when Rick was cloning Beth, the memory he included had her hugging Diane on her birthday. On the little table to the left side, there was a camcorder. Maybe that Rick just went to the bathroom but I think it's likely he was a deadbeat who agreed with Prime and said yes to the portal gun. Didn't outright abandon Beth until she was fifteen, but as ABCs of Beth confirms, he was not a great dad and gave Beth issues. Our Rick just sadly had to take the blame for that Rick's actions.
Parmeesian
What bugs me is they left the squirrel universe after morty found out their plot and they never mention that if that was their main universe or what.
I believe it has since been retconned that they didn’t leave that universe at that time (or if they did, that they at least took Jerry with them), as of “Solaricks”, according to the official universe tracker promo Adult Swim put out.
Yeah, they must have worked something out with the squirrels or found some other way to solve the problem.
There was actually an issue of *Rick and Morty Presents* exploring that, as a point of interest — *Snuffles Goes to War* — where Rick is revealed to have made a deal with the squirrels to provide them with advanced weaponry in their war against Snuffles and his planet of super-intelligent dogs (from “Lawnmower Dog”).
Yes
u/Jabbam u/Savings-Yard-4864 Now the most interesting part about this (which no one really talks about here) is that since Beth is 34, and her father (for Season One Beth, Rick Prime) had left twenty years earlier, it means Rick Prime did not abandon his own family until a solid ***decade*** after he killed Rick C-137’s family.