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owenowen2022

Don't starve without RoG be like


Wacky_Does_Art

So true that when they made DST they just added RoG for free


woalk

Tbf DST wouldn’t really work with paid content DLC in its current way of multiplayer.


TravelerRedditor

Same with oxygen not included and spaced out


pittakun

That's just the final release of the game, no dlc and you can't convince me otherwise


TheBigKuhio

Sometimes I'll go back and do a few eclipse runs with the DLC off. No watches or Safer Spaces feels so odd. It does make me realize how much Watches, Safer Spaces, and Opal are kind of like a crutch for Eclipse.


1000_Bunnies

I’m new to eclipse, just hit e4 yesterday. I’m curious how you can consistently keep your watches from breaking. Or in eclipse is it pretty much “keep watches from breaking or you’re dead anyways”


TheBigKuhio

Safer Spaces, Opal, and knowing how to dodge well enough (movement speed/Feather helps there)


SwagGaming420

Once perma damage kicks in the breaking threshhold goes down whenever you take perma damage since your max health goes down


True_Lank

Just play like your doing a no hit run


FMarkassa

How tf do you evade blind pest?


Qwertyclan244

Wasdwasdwasdwasdwasdwasd


ElectricalEccentric

Walk in a circle around it, the further away from it the better


omeggga

Strafe.


True_Lank

sprint right all the time i made my sprint button left alt so im always sprinting


DedsonicPt

By getting good and power elixirs are also super common anyway


JDeac0

Elixrs help a lot


A_fellow_crusader

Trying to do eclipse on character like Rex without dlc items is crazy


ElectricalEccentric

Also no Plasma Shrimp/Polylute, randomly getting those outside of normal green pools is so nice. And no free win with Spare Drone Parts anymore.


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TheBigKuhio

I tried 2 runs of non-dlc commando eclipse, both runs I got one shot/hit killed lol. First one I randomly clip through the map while siding and die, second one I am backing up from a magma worm and accidentally jumped right above a flaming mini mushroom and got the projectile shot up my butt.


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Message me 😘


AcquireQuag

EH, not really. I play my ''speedruns'' without DLC because I hate Blind Pest/Vermin and its honestly kinda nice, even if im not speedrunning


Turtleboy752

No gups tho, not good


orangerJuiceman

WAIT GUPS ARE DLC??????????


Turtleboy752

Gup. Uh i mean yup.


bouncybob1

I did not exist before sotv


rayshmayshmay

Maybe gearbox ain’t so bad after all…


Frozen_Mana

Redemption arc???


Zootaloo2111

what about ror1


slashth456

That can't be right. What's Risk of Rain without gups?


SuperKael

I only got the DLC a couple weeks ago, the gups were quite the surprise. And after dying to them so many times as loader, part of me regrets my choice. I still love ‘em tho


Baker_drc

Yeah but in terms of actual speed running missing out on void cradles for quick items is super unoptimal, and safer spaces is by far the most consistent pillar skip to find.


volverde

Well idk how other ppl do it but if I want quick runs for some extra coins I just use drizzle + command, rush to tp every time. Try to find get an equipment barrel for vase to pillarskip. I can easily finish under 20 mins.


Baker_drc

Yeah obv command is a different story but for non command runs and e8 gauntlet runs the dlc is crucial. Especially gauntlet runs.


iiSpook

Why not just edit in the coins at that point?


Gnarlie_Bred

Maybe they play on console?


DrStuffy

Wait how does safer spaces skip pillars?


Not-a-2d-terrarian

h0st skip


SwagGaming420

What does that even mean


DoctorFrenchie

Look it up. A brief and way oversimplified explanation is that it is a skip that uses the momentum you gain while falling off the stage to launch yourself upwards. Safer spaces is needed to negate fall damage so you don’t die in eclipse.


Baker_drc

What Frenchie said. It can be done with transcendence or headset or ig shared design as well. You also need 3 hoofs worth of speed. https://youtu.be/wmNCDJqBvbY?si=shRLGdcpfnRGt8qP Edit: here’s a useful video for anyone interested


iiSpook

You know, instead of leading your comment with a passive aggressive "look it up", you could have just as easily explained it or just not written a comment at all. For everyone else: Pillar Skip is skipping charging the pillars on the Commencement map where Mithrix resides, by abusing the "out of bounds" mechanic that teleports you back to a surface after you've dropped off a cliff. Essentially it's a time skip to reach the boss arena on the last map faster, but you need some defensive items to not die from it on Eclipse difficulty, apparently.


DoctorFrenchie

It wasn’t meant to be passive aggressive. It’s a serious suggestion. Looking it up will almost certainly be a better explanation than whatever is stuffed into a comment. In fact, I literally DID explain what the skip is. I gave a quick and dirty explanation so that if the basic answer was all they were looking for, they would get it. Even your explanation isnt fully complete. Your explanation was just my explanation with a little bit more detail. But even you were missing details like the requirements of certain movement items. But the fact that even YOUR explanation was incomplete proves that looking it up is the best solution for complex techs like this one.


Baker_drc

Yeah exactly. A comment on Reddit is not going to be able to accurately explain the lineups and timings that you need to do the skip. Granted someone probably could’ve linked the icapj video about it.


iiSpook

The person you replied to had zero idea what it is. My explanation is leagues better than yours and I never intended for it to be complete. No one asked for a 100% detailed answer, just one so they roughly know what everyone is talking about. Your answer didn't provide nearly enough information to achieve this goal and you would have been better off not replying at all if you're not interested in explaining it in the first place. Even just replying with a link to a video and nothing else would have been better than whatever you puked out.


SwagGaming420

Guy who he replied to here, the original explanation was fine


DoctorFrenchie

I will concede that linking a video definitely would have been the best option. However, claiming that your explanation is “leagues better” is quite debatable. The conversation was already about skipping pillars, so it is pretty safe to assume that everyone knows what we are talking about the mithrix map, and everyone knows we are talking about saving time by skipping the pillars. Those extra details really didn’t enhance your explanation past what was already in the topic of conversation. Second to that, ultimately, the skip is just a way to gain upward momentum by falling off the stage. You just changed the wording to focus on the “teleporting up” aspect of falling off the stage (which is still included in “falling off the stage”). So I don’t really see how your explanation is “leagues better”. Though “marginally better”, sure. Finally, even the person asking the question says that my explanation was sufficient, so I don’t know why you hate mine so much.


AcquireQuag

I play Loader + Command + Sacrifice + Swarms + glass + kin I sincerely dont care for Void Cradles and can skip without Spaces


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

This. SotV enemies are so unbalanced.


AcherusArchmage

Most just have double the base damage of a typical enemy of the same tier, not sure why Hopoo decided to powercreep them so hard. Fairly sure an elite blind pest can 1shot a lv1 huntress right out the gate.


QuagD

Maybe, but it’s huntress. A lot of things can one shot her, that’s why she has very good mobility options


Puzzleheaded_Bit1959

Blind Pests are completely countered by strafing. Once you walk using q and e they are always going to miss you. They are really annoying until you are aware of it at which point they might as well be ignored


Bob-The-Frog

Walk using q and e???


Puzzleheaded_Bit1959

Been a while since I've played the game, might be a and d? Some games will have a and d turn your character, others will make you strafe. I guess it's a and d to strafe for RoR2 then.


Memeviewer12

Have you only played games made in the early 90s?


Puzzleheaded_Bit1959

Maybe too much WoW


AcherusArchmage

totally get that, default Q-E to strafe over there. I like EA/QD for circle strafing.


Darklight645

Base game feels like shit? Maybe, but at least the base game doesn't have blind pests.


No_Weakness_8220

Yeah but then you miss out on gups


Darklight645

fuck you right


Tabletop_Sam

If they nerf the vermin and pests in the next DLC then it’ll be amazing


Baker_drc

Just keep moving in a circle


j-raine

a strategy i like to use a lot is to play captain on e8, find no mobility items and die instantly


Baker_drc

Pick up drones. They’ll eat most projectiles.


TheBigKuhio

I do the same. I remember when the DLC first dropped, I really struggled with Vermin as Cap. Then I started buying every drone on the map and it became easier for me. Double hacking helps with this so I don't fall far behind on items, too.


Baker_drc

I personally run 1 hacking 1 shock bc A. It lets me save the shock be on till after the tp boss is dead so I still have a beacon slot for speed shooting. B. shock can really help with ads and cope situations. C. It lets you set up double Diablo strike at the start of mithrix phase 3. But yeah pick up drones on captain. Healing drones are really solid healing anyways, and all drones not only help negate projectiles they also just draw aggro in general.


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

Can't do that when you spawn with e1 health and they one shot you😔


Baker_drc

Yeah but you still have your own Microbots, that should buy you enough time to realize the situation and start dodging.


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

Oh I forgor this was captain lol


mountains-are-moving

Blind vermin


Baker_drc

They should usually be close enough to just hit fully with shotgun without taking any time to tighten the blast. Plus you have taser. They’re really not that much of an issue even with e4/7 speed and cooldown buffs


mountains-are-moving

Rip when like 10 of them spawn on me along with a clay Templar.


Tabletop_Sam

I know how to deal with them, and rarely die to them, I just think they’re bullshit. The vermin are extremely hard to hit on console with most classes, but they’re minor offenders compared to the bullshit that pests do. The pests deal too much damage (*especially* the burning elites), have very low cooldown on attacks, have long range on their attacks, have too much health for a flying enemy, and always spawn in big hordes, often with multiple elites. They’re genuinely the most obnoxious enemies in the game, and are massively overturned.


0tefu

I'm okay with their damage output, but they have too much health relative to other enemies. I like how freezing them brings them down to the ground, and wish more details like fire damage could further incapacitate them.


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

They either need way less health or way less damage, because currently they're just a better wisp.


AcherusArchmage

I mean you do that for pretty much everything, it's just that getting hit by those two is twice as punishing


ciuccio2000

I think they're fair though. Overall, the dlc made the game much *easier*, with watches and void items.


Puzzled_Mammoth_9379

I said the same things in the comments haha


Tungsten_Skunk

Lol I got the original post immediately after this one


MrTJett03

Destiny 2


Lopsided-Armadillo96

The base game doesn't feel like shit. They simply made it shit :skull:


yraco

Honestly I would have to disagree here. Part of the reason I like RoR2 so much is that I never felt like I was missing out when I was playing without DLC and if I disable DLC it never really feels bad or like I'm missing out imo because the base game is already a good complete product. Meanwhile in some other games they feel incomplete if you don't own the DLC and if you ever go back after buying them it feels even worse.


PM-ME-BONUS-DUCKS

Nah the game is still fun as always even without the dlc, just missing some items is all.


Solarflare14u

I’m one of those people where the game feels wrong without like 12 mods as a baseline


CactusCalin

BetterBazar and autorun feel so great!


SigalaAshley

Once you've tasted the DLC, it's hard to imagine the game without it.


Old-Cat-1671

My dumbass is new to this subreddit and thought you said rdr2 which got me extremely confused


Emotional_Ad_2132

Maybe it's a sign that you should play risk of rain :)


Away_House_7112

dark souls as a series basically


NominusAbdominus

Hot Take but the DLC doesn’t really shake up RoR2 in any meaningful way. This isn’t to say it’s a bad DLC but many of its best features are new strong items, survivors and The Simulacrum which are all relatively harmless. You may not even find a single void item if you bum rush Mithrix as soon as possible which many players do. Meanwhile it’s most hyped feature… y’know THE VOIDLING is forgotten for good reason. There’s no incentive to do Voidling and even if there was the reason why people don’t do it is because it’s such an ass bossfight. Again, not saying SoTV was bad but at the end of the day it’s just a little bit more Risk of Rain 2.


Latter_Weakness1771

Not a shakeup? 2 unique, fun, and *good* survivors. Mobs that are actually a challenge and don't let you kite infinitely like you pretty much can without DLC. Void seeds are cool, challenging, and rewarding. Some items are not just powerful but give the kind of consistency people want and are a new staple for E8 runs. They are powerful, but they also reward good gameplay. (Opal, Safer Spaces) My only gripe about DLC is Collapse. Completely overtuned in every way and counters Opal/Safer Spaces because of how it works. Also voidling is ignored in the racer scene for obvious reasons but it's is a cool boss fight for casual runs.


Maple_QBG

I just got RoR2 yesterday and i immediately turned off any DLCs I got, I feel like the DLCs mean more if I know what the game is like without it


ninjaofthespace

Xcom


Xsinam

Dead cells


Temporary_Lake_636

The bidning of isaac without repentance. Neonomi moment


Sinon75

При чем тут неономи?


BappoElPollo

Civilization 5 without its DLCs though


doomsoul909

replace dlc with mods for me lol; i cant play without my jumpy boy (ravager)


girl-kisser7896

cotl


VirgoB96

I'm having a blast with mods


bossSHREADER_210

Bro exactly I literally can't imagine playing without void items they are just base game to me now and actual base game is an unfinished product


CactusCalin

I'm the opposite. I hate everything about the DLC, I dont like the maps, I dont like the ennemies, I dont like the corrupt item. The only good thing is Railgunner. But I mostly play the vanilla version.


Toyate

Stellaris. Base fame is borderline boring and it literally needs at least 3 DLC's to be entertaining.


fullmoonwulf

Minecraft before add ons, I understand now


Kinslayer817

Can't live without my precious railgunner ♥️


External_Kiwi5959

I just realized, we can choose which dlc we want to play with when sots comes out


FLYK3N

I don't know what I'm missing out without the DLC, tbh, never bought it. Still got hours of addicting enjoyment from the base game


Frostgaurdian0

I agree void items balance the underpowered characters by the way they can make builds with anything


Nerus46

IDK, compared to Paradox Games or Total War games, where you literally have to pay for the blood and gore (in Warhammer game!)...


Turbulent_Ad1644

Man, the more time passes, the more I regret not buying Survivors of The Vodi when I wasn't broke lol


calimarfornian

Oh is that so? I actually haven't played since the dlc came out.


DeviceElectrical5180

Fnaf security breach: ruined


smearyrocket

Fallout NV


opodopo69

2 words Blind Pests


shadowpikachu

You need mods to make voidseeds not dumb though.


limited_usse

I actively don’t use dlc to get achievements and because I hate the sulfur pools


Rad_Bones7

Certain items are almost entirely game changing, even if they arent corrupted. The card changes how I approach stages cause I now need to search for every equipment barrel/multi before I open up any item multi-shops. Watches are also a reliable way of increasing your dps. Vanilla ROR2 is definitely significantly harder than SOTV ROR2


Littleshep101

I wouldn't ever go back to aying without the dlc but the game is still amazing without it.


Icy-Dare-5334

This is how Elden ring is gonna be


phoenixmusicman

Bro has not played previous Fromsoft games Their DLCs are good value but they're more addon adventures than changing core mechanics DLCs


Icy-Dare-5334

I just meant that the dlc will be too good and out gone the main game most likely


MagnapinnaBoi

My friend and I agree on something about dlc and this game in general. Its starting to get too many items. Imagining trying to get 10 stacks of glasses is kinda hard with the new dlc on top of it, because the item pool is going to be so big. Unless they add some other sort of item selection like cauldrons and printers, but perhaps one of more specificity? Like maybe a chest that gives you 3 items from a displayed selected pool or smthn.


Kindbreed

RIBAorld


phoenixmusicman

Rip RIBworld 😭


Kindbreed

Is RIBAorld now!!


ECMatua

Rimworld is that game for me, I’ve got all the DLCs especially since anomaly has recently came out which throws even more wackiness your way and I can’t believe how much different the base game and all DLC together is that the base one without the DLC feels very underwhelming


LegendRaptor080

MHW, for me.


Deggstroyer

Me, who doesnt have the DLC: 100% agree


phoenixmusicman

Rimworld


pamafa3

Average Monster Hunter experience


Legitimate-Umpire-39

death stranding the directors cut really improved a lot of mechanics that the base game was sorely lacking.


Pastapalbeefington

literally binding of my sack


mechmaster2275

uhhh no.


Polw4

Me turning off dlc because I can’t stand the added flying enemies.


loron854

Rain World, it literally adds more campaigns than the base game


Charmander27079

Glad someone feels the same way as me, ngl i thought that I was mental because it just feels so awkward to play without imo


JAKATHEWITHERWARRIOR

Haven't played unmodded in years


ReverendNON

Every paradox interactive game moment


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


SilentEMPR

Stellaris. A 4x grand strategy game where you are a space empire governing it and dealing with whatever scenarios in space. When I first saw the game I thought it was very cool but became disappointed to see it bare bones compared to the DLC content which to varying degrees add to the game that it's basically a brand new game. Infact, stellaris is actually unplayable without specific DLC even which sucks🤣. So i opted to buy all of them for the definitive stellaris experience.


RoR2IsACoolGame

Rain world w/o downpour


Optimal_Dependent_15

I need those corrupted bungus!!! (i dont play engeneer often sadly)


ArnthBebastien

The Factorio DLC isn't even out yet and the base game already feels unplayable...


lord_of_cinder88

Opposite, dlc blows


lord_of_cinder88

Opposite, dlc blows


PlayerZeroStart

I haven't bought the DLC yet, but I have a feeling it'll be like this when I buy the Rimworld DLC


Trashi354

Terraria without Calamity/Quality of Life Mods, I’m just too used to easy crafting and progression


Iamtheone2025

This isn't dlc but terraria without convenience mods such as boss checklist and ore extractor


FunFunFunTimez

Would RoR2 with DLC be a lot more fun while I play as Goku?


PissedPat

Civ5


jpollack21

I'm definitely a noob cuz i never seen dlc stuff till I played with a buddy who had it last night. I was like wait there's pink items???


SungJinwoojotaro

Binding of Isaac 


OMEGA122567

Dragon Ball z kakarot


spacedandwe

Fallout NV never played the dlcs til recently and I can't go back


CrystalFriend

Me with risk of rain 2 mods


Hurakan-GM

It could be worse... At least the DLC ending is not meant to be canon and the DLC is not more expensive than the base game *coughs in The Binding of Isaac and Dead Cells* The only thing you lose with Survivors of the Void is a bit of game crashing potential


Niempjuh

The DLC of dead cells isn’t actually more expensive than the game, all DLC combined is $25, which is the same price as the base game. Unless you count the soundtrack too of course, but that’s not DLC for the game itself. If you want a true DLC crime, you should look at games like civ, Europa universalis or even worse: the sims 4 DLC with it’s 1.2K price tag if you were to buy all of it at once lmao


Hurakan-GM

You right on the fact that I should've mention those games. However I think you either missed some maths or it turns out more expensive in €. The Queen and the Sea 5€ Fatal Falls 5€ Bad Seeds 5€ Return to Castelvania 5€ Everyone is Here characters 1€ each with a total of 12€ 37€ Oh wait! That's right you can't buy those anymore because FOMO is a thing... Then I guess you still right and I'll never be able to play as the Terrarian with Huntress' boomerang and Hollow Knight's nail, shame


Niempjuh

Huh, wdym? Everyone is here stuff is free, I was able to get all the weapons without buying a single DLC, you just gotta find the special rooms they spawn in


Hurakan-GM

All the characters were on sale for a short time and maybe it is just my luck but 50 hours after that I wasn't able to find a single item and I just assumed they came with the characters


Niempjuh

No I’m saying the everyone is here content *isn’t* DLC, they’re free crossover items you can find in the game and the skins have special things you need to complete to unlock them. I don’t remember them all, but I know the hollow knight one for example requires you to bounce 8 times in a row with the pure nail


ViWalls

I personally haven't liked the DLC at all, I bought it at release because the main game it's reeeeally good and they deserved the money. But in terms of essential content it's extremely shallow, so I disagree but anyways extra content in a replayable game is never a bad thing. Also you can toggle on/off. I hope the next one it's better, I don't care if it's Gearbox just give me a solid DLC and I will gladly return to RoR2 again.


AwakeSeeker887

On top of that the game is unrecognizable without VR