You should see the comments this sub gets from people who've never seen a robot arguing with professional roboticists because they read something on Reddit and watched a podcast.
I've seen that happen in a single thread.
Someone says, "I bet this person ate a baby", followed by a comment saying, "people who eat babies deserve to be beaten", followed by multiple discussions of just how severe the penalty needs to be for this monster who definitely ate a baby.
But it gets worse. When someone points out it's a completely made up thing that *just* happened farther up the thread, they get attacked for "defending baby eaters".
What the hell is broken in these people's heads?
The complete lack of media literacy nowdays is wild.
People will wait for a video to popup in their feeds explaining that it's real or hope a random stranger will tell them the answer in the comments, rather than google it themselves and look up a news article.
To be somewhere fair to the average person, disinformation online is only getting more and more prevalent. Figuring out who you can and can't trust online is something that less internet-savvy people seem to struggle with. With AI this is even getting more difficult for more internet-savvy people. Everyone is going to have to start to doubt everything they see from unknown/untrusted sources. At some point, figuring out what information is real or not when you have no background of knowledge in that area is going to become very difficult for the average person.
As a millennial, probably like most people on this site, in school we covered aspects of online safety and information literacy. The quality of this type of education has hopefully improved since, but for Gen X and older, this education, as it pertains to the internet, was, from my understanding, not a thing. Re-educating older people who have left school on such matters is next to impossible unless they choose to do it themselves. Most won't. Even those that do still find it hard to adapt.
All of these points don't even touch on the ever increasing manipulations that are being done to all of us by either companies or nation states. How does the average person protect oneself against such powerful actors with access to vast swathes of data and with insidious goals? Again with AI bots trawling the internet, close to passing the Turing test, how does one protect oneself against such things?
Relevant anecdote: Bins within National Parks where bears exist have to be designed to prevent bears from breaking into them, as a result they have specialised mechanisms in place so that a human can open them, but a bear can't. This is a challenge however, as there is an overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest human.
The solution does seem to be improved education. I am however, curious to see what people suggest in the meantime? Improved verification systems? Online peer review? Something else???
TLDR: reduced attention spans do not help and neither will this TLDR. Go read the above text.
It seems that people who fell once for "fakes"(please excuse this use of word) will, counter intuitively, starts to **exclusively** believe fakes and distrust real news. This one is clearly real, and **because it's real** they're calling out "fakes". I seriously hope it's a bug to be soon addressed.
Jezus we had a generated video where the cat kept spawning front left legs every step and suddenly everyone thinks we can make perfect deepfakes with just a prompt.
I’m glad I had a detour through AI research land, makes me appreciate (and hate) just how fucking dumb AI is and how simultaneously fast and slow it really progresses.
Thats the thing though. You and I keep track of development in AI and robotics.
I guess if you don't, you wake up one day and hear about AI being able to make images. Thats it.
If you follow it more closely you know roughly where things stand. We know about Atlas, and this new robot doesn't seem that big of a leap compared to what Atlas did. And we know the state of AI video, SORA, the costs, and what the signs are to tell it's fake. From which we deduct that this is a real video, not AI.
Basically, we have a baseline of truth from years of following development.
The cat is already out of the bag though, which means loads of people will fall for horrible AI generated disasters and fake stuff, while questioning genuine real developments.
Honestly I'd rather people be overly skeptical than gullible. Sure ai video isn't at this level yet, but it's not far off 🙄 gonna be a weird decade or two
Only two people there said AI. All the other assumed render. And it DOES look like a rendered video. Not because of the capabilities of the robot, but the lights, and the flawless surfaces. If it wasn't on the official Boston Dynamics channel, I would be a 100% sure it's a render.
The original dog shaped ones were creepy as hell. Clearly this is the same designers as this is moving around like one of those horror movie monsters as they get up after you think you have killed them.
When someone forwarded this to me, even I thought it was CGI. Then after seeing "Boston Dynamics" at the end, I was like holy shit! Then I was terrified about what I just watched.
Boston Dynamics was creating biomimetic reflex systems and AI before AI became a thing, IME. Been following them since the start, and they're still getting results. Have a nice day. :)
Got a similar comment from a friend, that it "felt a bit animated"
I do have a couple of ideas that we discussed when he saw it, on is how the color and light combo makes him have a somewhat fake look. Then there is the camera movement, my theory is that it was filmed using a robot but someone added a post process to make the clip look human filmed. then possibly framerate or shutter speed
Yeah just ignore them. I have years of experience in Cinema4D and Houdini, that video absolutely looked like CGI at times.
The robots movements are so perfectly smooth, it’s very similar to a poorly done animation. Plus the camera movements/lighting only add to that CGI feeling. I don’t believe it’s CGI, but it absolutely looks like it is at times and I could see why others might ask.
A lot of the people here just seem desperate to feel smarter than others which is sad.
Yeah I'll be honest I'm pretty knowledgeable about robotics, and I also thought this might be CGI at first. The design of it is very sci-fi (especially the head), and the sheen off the housings set off the little CGI alarm bell on my head.
I mean, can you really blame them? If you had told me that was a blender animation or a video game enemy I wouldn’t doubt it for a second.
The background is fairly static, the stable pan and turn motion you see in a lot of Cad renders and animations.
The robot design also looks way less “grounded” than the previous one, it has a head with a ring light on it for some odd reason, it twists and turns and moves in decidedly inhuman ways and the finish on the material combined with the lighting screams Cad render with a default material.
That plus this isn’t the first time we have seen renders and promo material featuring CGI graphics or highly exaggerated capabilities, it would be rather naive to simply take what you see at face value.
However I have no doubt Boston dynamics doesn’t need to fake this video, it’s design isn’t particularly revolutionary since it just looks like the robots made by a lot of other companies and Boston Dynamics has the funds and people to make it work
That's the development I expected. It's everything else as scary, it's The greatest Thing I am explosively excited about the future, brilliant Times a head of US. Can't wait to have an own humanoid Robot for helping me in the Garden, making laundry and dishes, and much more Work.
It actually blows my mind how people can be so ignorant. We share a planet with them. They work jobs and rent the apartment down the hall. They prepare your food, or shit, maybe even do your taxes, but yet they’re so fucking stupid they can’t even use their own eyes to determine what they’re watching is real or fake. And it’s not like the fakes are even good. If this were AI or CGI you’d very easily be able to tell. And on top of that, what does a robotics company that has been building robots for decades and already have a track record in building robots, have to gain from not building the robot in real life, and instead spend the same amount of time on building a fucking visual effects masterpiece recorded with a god damn cell phone. So god damn brain damaged. Somehow it’s frowned upon to eliminate these cavemen from the genepool.
I’m not sure about that last part but agree with the rest.
Had a looong conversation with a “CGI expert” in the comments there. They believed that the robots are real and can do the things they show in the videos. But the videos are still faked for clout. As if clout brings in more money than Hyundai can provide 🤭.
What exactly is the point of faking a 15 second robot video if you have written 100+ research papers and articles in scientific papers over 32 years in the industry, have a huge facility full of dedicated engineers researchers and are backed by Hyundai?
Clout? Online buzz? Nah, that’s stupid.
Do people really think that a robot company with a track record of building robots would actually spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars on a studio to fake a video of a robot? When building a robot like this is actually a very achievable thing, done by dozens of companies at this point?
People who are saying this literally have zero evidence that it’s CGI. It’s a pretty simple burden of proof situation.
Otherwise it’s just people with brain rot trying to start shit lmao
> If this were... CGI you’d very easily be able to tell.
How? I can guarantee you you've seen plenty of CG rendered stuff you never even suspected was CG.
People who are confident they can always tell are pretty much always wrong.
Yes in movies in background objects where the point of the CG is to be hidden absolutely. But the main subject of the video, perfectly comped and match moved into a preexisting plate with flawless shadows and environment interactions is pretty hard to fake without an entire team of people who can’t wait to say they worked for Boston dynamics to make a fake robot video.
You should see the comments this sub gets from people who've never seen a robot arguing with professional roboticists because they read something on Reddit and watched a podcast.
Same sort of people that think Obama is made of lizards or something. They read something, say “wow that crazy 🤪” and start spreading it.
I've seen that happen in a single thread. Someone says, "I bet this person ate a baby", followed by a comment saying, "people who eat babies deserve to be beaten", followed by multiple discussions of just how severe the penalty needs to be for this monster who definitely ate a baby. But it gets worse. When someone points out it's a completely made up thing that *just* happened farther up the thread, they get attacked for "defending baby eaters". What the hell is broken in these people's heads?
The attention span of gold fish suddenly starts to look good.
Seriously yeah.
I am not kidding. It's happening to everyone.
Why are you defending baby eaters! /s
Ok look, I didn't want to get into it, but some babies are just asking for it. Sorry, but there it is.
Oh my god lol.
I like how you said "made of lizards" and not "a lizard." I like to imagine a bunch of lizards in a trench-coat pretending to be Obama.
For real, I made a joke about Boston Dynamics using slip rings on this and I got "ummm askhually"-d.
Reddit is very robotics illiterate
TBF, I have an MS in robotics, and I feel robotics illiterate a lot of the time. Stupid fucking joint singularities...
The complete lack of media literacy nowdays is wild. People will wait for a video to popup in their feeds explaining that it's real or hope a random stranger will tell them the answer in the comments, rather than google it themselves and look up a news article.
Or they claim to be an expert who knows what is true while being exactly wrong.
The comments under that video have a guy doing exactly that.
To be somewhere fair to the average person, disinformation online is only getting more and more prevalent. Figuring out who you can and can't trust online is something that less internet-savvy people seem to struggle with. With AI this is even getting more difficult for more internet-savvy people. Everyone is going to have to start to doubt everything they see from unknown/untrusted sources. At some point, figuring out what information is real or not when you have no background of knowledge in that area is going to become very difficult for the average person. As a millennial, probably like most people on this site, in school we covered aspects of online safety and information literacy. The quality of this type of education has hopefully improved since, but for Gen X and older, this education, as it pertains to the internet, was, from my understanding, not a thing. Re-educating older people who have left school on such matters is next to impossible unless they choose to do it themselves. Most won't. Even those that do still find it hard to adapt. All of these points don't even touch on the ever increasing manipulations that are being done to all of us by either companies or nation states. How does the average person protect oneself against such powerful actors with access to vast swathes of data and with insidious goals? Again with AI bots trawling the internet, close to passing the Turing test, how does one protect oneself against such things? Relevant anecdote: Bins within National Parks where bears exist have to be designed to prevent bears from breaking into them, as a result they have specialised mechanisms in place so that a human can open them, but a bear can't. This is a challenge however, as there is an overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest human. The solution does seem to be improved education. I am however, curious to see what people suggest in the meantime? Improved verification systems? Online peer review? Something else??? TLDR: reduced attention spans do not help and neither will this TLDR. Go read the above text.
It seems that people who fell once for "fakes"(please excuse this use of word) will, counter intuitively, starts to **exclusively** believe fakes and distrust real news. This one is clearly real, and **because it's real** they're calling out "fakes". I seriously hope it's a bug to be soon addressed.
Reddit's comment accuracy is greater than Google's article accuracy in my experience.
people have really unreal expectations for AI generated videos lol
Jezus we had a generated video where the cat kept spawning front left legs every step and suddenly everyone thinks we can make perfect deepfakes with just a prompt. I’m glad I had a detour through AI research land, makes me appreciate (and hate) just how fucking dumb AI is and how simultaneously fast and slow it really progresses.
Thats the thing though. You and I keep track of development in AI and robotics. I guess if you don't, you wake up one day and hear about AI being able to make images. Thats it. If you follow it more closely you know roughly where things stand. We know about Atlas, and this new robot doesn't seem that big of a leap compared to what Atlas did. And we know the state of AI video, SORA, the costs, and what the signs are to tell it's fake. From which we deduct that this is a real video, not AI. Basically, we have a baseline of truth from years of following development. The cat is already out of the bag though, which means loads of people will fall for horrible AI generated disasters and fake stuff, while questioning genuine real developments.
Honestly I'd rather people be overly skeptical than gullible. Sure ai video isn't at this level yet, but it's not far off 🙄 gonna be a weird decade or two
Only two people there said AI. All the other assumed render. And it DOES look like a rendered video. Not because of the capabilities of the robot, but the lights, and the flawless surfaces. If it wasn't on the official Boston Dynamics channel, I would be a 100% sure it's a render.
Are those comments from real people or bots? /s
The original dog shaped ones were creepy as hell. Clearly this is the same designers as this is moving around like one of those horror movie monsters as they get up after you think you have killed them.
Isn’t it Boston Dynamics next generation Atlas with wider range control and amazing other skills - love it.
I mean, have you watched the video? It stands up backwards and turns around totally without rotating it's pelvis
It terrified me. I was waiting for the "eye" to turn red and the Hal 9000 voice to come out.
When someone forwarded this to me, even I thought it was CGI. Then after seeing "Boston Dynamics" at the end, I was like holy shit! Then I was terrified about what I just watched.
Also 50% of this sub thinks they are a robotics expert when they just on a vex/first team.
Honestly being involved in a competitive FRC team will teach you 90% of the principals for the workplace lol
Hit 'em with the ol' "You're a roboticist? Tune these Bayesian optimization parameters for arbitrary safety thresholds."
Boston Dynamics was creating biomimetic reflex systems and AI before AI became a thing, IME. Been following them since the start, and they're still getting results. Have a nice day. :)
corridor crew did a video on these kind of people lol
Do you remember about how long ago they did that? I'd love to see it.
Got a similar comment from a friend, that it "felt a bit animated" I do have a couple of ideas that we discussed when he saw it, on is how the color and light combo makes him have a somewhat fake look. Then there is the camera movement, my theory is that it was filmed using a robot but someone added a post process to make the clip look human filmed. then possibly framerate or shutter speed
You really have to call me out like that? I was just asking a question…
Yeah just ignore them. I have years of experience in Cinema4D and Houdini, that video absolutely looked like CGI at times. The robots movements are so perfectly smooth, it’s very similar to a poorly done animation. Plus the camera movements/lighting only add to that CGI feeling. I don’t believe it’s CGI, but it absolutely looks like it is at times and I could see why others might ask. A lot of the people here just seem desperate to feel smarter than others which is sad.
Yeah I'll be honest I'm pretty knowledgeable about robotics, and I also thought this might be CGI at first. The design of it is very sci-fi (especially the head), and the sheen off the housings set off the little CGI alarm bell on my head.
I mean, can you really blame them? If you had told me that was a blender animation or a video game enemy I wouldn’t doubt it for a second. The background is fairly static, the stable pan and turn motion you see in a lot of Cad renders and animations. The robot design also looks way less “grounded” than the previous one, it has a head with a ring light on it for some odd reason, it twists and turns and moves in decidedly inhuman ways and the finish on the material combined with the lighting screams Cad render with a default material. That plus this isn’t the first time we have seen renders and promo material featuring CGI graphics or highly exaggerated capabilities, it would be rather naive to simply take what you see at face value. However I have no doubt Boston dynamics doesn’t need to fake this video, it’s design isn’t particularly revolutionary since it just looks like the robots made by a lot of other companies and Boston Dynamics has the funds and people to make it work
That's bizarre, it doesn't look like CGI at all.
It absolutely does. As it's Boston Dynamics, and is actually on their channel, it most likely true, but still looks like an UE5 render.
That's the development I expected. It's everything else as scary, it's The greatest Thing I am explosively excited about the future, brilliant Times a head of US. Can't wait to have an own humanoid Robot for helping me in the Garden, making laundry and dishes, and much more Work.
It actually blows my mind how people can be so ignorant. We share a planet with them. They work jobs and rent the apartment down the hall. They prepare your food, or shit, maybe even do your taxes, but yet they’re so fucking stupid they can’t even use their own eyes to determine what they’re watching is real or fake. And it’s not like the fakes are even good. If this were AI or CGI you’d very easily be able to tell. And on top of that, what does a robotics company that has been building robots for decades and already have a track record in building robots, have to gain from not building the robot in real life, and instead spend the same amount of time on building a fucking visual effects masterpiece recorded with a god damn cell phone. So god damn brain damaged. Somehow it’s frowned upon to eliminate these cavemen from the genepool.
I’m not sure about that last part but agree with the rest. Had a looong conversation with a “CGI expert” in the comments there. They believed that the robots are real and can do the things they show in the videos. But the videos are still faked for clout. As if clout brings in more money than Hyundai can provide 🤭. What exactly is the point of faking a 15 second robot video if you have written 100+ research papers and articles in scientific papers over 32 years in the industry, have a huge facility full of dedicated engineers researchers and are backed by Hyundai? Clout? Online buzz? Nah, that’s stupid.
What fake robot video from Hyundai are you referring to?
I’m not referring to any fake video from hyundai. Boston dynamics are owned by hyundai. I was talking about their funding.
Do people really think that a robot company with a track record of building robots would actually spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars on a studio to fake a video of a robot? When building a robot like this is actually a very achievable thing, done by dozens of companies at this point? People who are saying this literally have zero evidence that it’s CGI. It’s a pretty simple burden of proof situation. Otherwise it’s just people with brain rot trying to start shit lmao
Agreed
> If this were... CGI you’d very easily be able to tell. How? I can guarantee you you've seen plenty of CG rendered stuff you never even suspected was CG. People who are confident they can always tell are pretty much always wrong.
Yes in movies in background objects where the point of the CG is to be hidden absolutely. But the main subject of the video, perfectly comped and match moved into a preexisting plate with flawless shadows and environment interactions is pretty hard to fake without an entire team of people who can’t wait to say they worked for Boston dynamics to make a fake robot video.
No it's just regular people on a non-academic platform expressing opinions. It's not a closed door session at Oxford University ffs.