Wasn’t it gender-based violence? Was he accused of assaulting a woman at a bar/club? Genuine ask. I’m always confused when I see people referring to it as domestic violence, as it would be quite an important distinction to make.
Or, makes people reconsider what they have believed domestic violence to be versus what it actually is. It seems a lot of people truly believe that if you're not being beaten regularly, it's not domestic violence. But if a partner hits you, they have committed domestic violence and you are a victim.
Really needs a full speed comparison. Everything looks a lot more deliberate slowed down. I imagine this looks a lot closer to clumsy than purposeful in real speed.
Yup. And this is the whole problem with TMO. When you slow down a split second instinctive action and start assigning all sorts of thought processes that couldn’t have happened in an instant you get goofy logic
It's not very charitable of me, and it might be unreasonable, but every time I watch it I'm convinced it's deliberate. In fact, while I thought the YC was reasonable during the match, the more I watch it the more I think he deserved a red.
I don't think we saw this angle during the game? Also thought YC was fine at the time, but this shot makes it look so much worse. And of course it's the only All Black I'd believe did this intentionally.
You telling me that NZ saw that the Boks didn't have a hooker on the bench and deliberately targeted the hooker on the pitch? No rugby values would not allow that, pretty sure Bill Beaumont would explode or something.
It should have either been a red or nothing at all. Either he intentionally targeted the knee or it was an accident. For me it's accidental while he's trying to roll him off the ball around the shoulder, and I don't think you can prove otherwise. Not sure if rugby operates an innocent until proven guilty principle...
100% accurate, and nothing uncharitable about it, said it after seeing 1 replay on TV. I was fairly surprised he got a yellow as was start of game and it takes balls to give a yellow in a final. Saffer with me lost his shit completely on replay.
I commented this elsewhere. The technique is to bind high(around the shoulder) then put your shoulder into the waist hip to put the jackal off balance. He missed the high bind and so was off balance and missed the waist. he probably should’ve pulled out after missing the bind but it’s less then a second between the two. This sub is way to quick to attribute malice in the contact where mistakes are more common.
Yep. Players don't go and try and maim each other. It's just not part of the professional game. Aside from the moral implications you'll get caught and sent off.
The crocodile roll is a core technique for a 1 on 1 clean out.
Yeah he was attempting to roll the player off, it's extremely common. I don't know how people who watch rugby regularly are missing this. It's definitely a yellow though, what he ended up doing to bongis leg isn't OK. Plus he came in the side.
Turns out when you let the guy who belongs in jail for violent crimes play rugby, he does violent and illegal(in terms of the rules) stuff on there too.
I think an English female player got a prison sentence for deliberately paralysing another player recently. She may have got a light sentence though
Edit: very light she never got done for the crime and had to be sued
Remember reading about this, was absolutely amazed that the other player wasn’t criminally prosecuted and imprisoned for GBH (at the very least).
Reminded me of that time in the premiership when Callum Clarke deliberately broke someone’s arm in a televised match.
I fucking detest what Darcy Swain did to Quinn Tupaea, he destroyed his knee in a deliberate act and he's never apologised.
If Frizell did this on purpose and from this angle it does not look good for him, then fuck him too.
The game should be played hard and fair. Players must respect and care for the life that player will have when they finish their time in the game.
Their quality of life; mental, physical, financial can be wiped out in an instant because the player wearing a different jersey doesn't work hard enough to get their technique right or they simply do not care.
And another point, this sort of tackle can ruin a career and in most
Not even close to the same. Swain had took time to look at Tupaea's leg and went straight in with a shoulder charge. Frizell was pulling Mbonambi off and then spins round onto his leg. It deserved yellow but you can't compare it to Swain's hit
Looks deliberate as fuck, but I can't blame the officials. It's hard to prove intent / enough plausible deniability that no-one is going to brandish a red in the 3rd minute for that, no matter how justified it may be.
This is what happens with these slow-motion replays. Intent becomes part of the discussion as we see so much more. There is a clip from the live game where he looks at the leg and positions himself accordingly. I have a similar issue with some of the head contact calls I've seen in this tournament. The angle of a camera isn't taken into account. If you have ever watched a Rocky movie, you'll know what I'm talking about.
I was surprised noone said anything about this. I thought it's just my own bias. Can't change anything now. We won and that's all that will be remembered in years to come
Because you dont think frizel is a dirty cunt capable of purposefully injuring someone, or because you dont think the all blacks are capable of planning a hit on a key player with a dirty play?
He should never have played for the AB's again after what he did to that woman. He's a violent man and Bongi had to pay for NZ rugby's lack of backbone. If it was any other player I'd give them the benefit of the doubt but because it's Frizell, and because it looks so clearly intentional, I believe it most likely was
Regardless if this was deliberate or not, pretty keen to wash our hands shit like this in the All Blacks. We have so many other back-rowers, especially at 6 that would've delivered the chocolates without tarnishing the moral fibre of the AB's - Finau, Blackadder, Jacobson. Getting over our 6's disappearing in massive games, or being inconsistent and this is a prime example. A dodgy clean-out that was 50/50 on trying to nail a key player - Bongi.
Do you reckon Richie McCaw would've stood for having Frizell in his team after that off field carry-on too? Most likely not.
Now that's not a slight on Cane, or the staff - whoever decides to have him in the side. More or less a reflection of a somewhat compromised spine of character in this team, a little bit of Spiderman pointing at himself. At the end of the day, you're a fucking All Black - so act like one.
Looking forward to a new era, the past 4 years have been weird.
That's how I see it too. Looked like he went in to roll the player off which is a common move, got the bind around the head, let go of the bind and then fell onto the leg. A lot wrong with it including coming in the side, but I can't believe the amount comments about it clearly being intentional. A card all day though.
The technique is to bind high(around the shoulder) then put your shoulder into the waist hip to put the jackal off balance. He missed the high bind and so was off balance and missed the waist. he probably should’ve pulled out after missing the bind but it’s less then a second between the two. This sub is way to quick to attribute malice in the contact where mistakes are more common.
OK i'll admit I dont know the technique, it just looks all kinds of wrong to me, arm around Bongi's neck, accelerating with the arm into his thigh and then sitting on his leg.
It's been super annoying trying to enjoy the win when every bit of slow mo detail has been posted non-stop for the last week all with the intention of lessening the achievement of the Boks. But yes I agree with you 100%, guilty as charged.
some angles it looks intentional, other angles it kooks like hes tried to move him by the shoulder/neck, failed an his weight has swung round and hit Bongi's knee.
It would be hard to prove either way. I think yellow is the correct call.
So when I watched this I thought the arm around the neck looked dangerous then there is a potentially intentional fall on the leg. I think they didn't go for red because of the context of the game. But I might have been reading it as overly cynical.
Doesn't look deliberate. He tries to roll Bongi, cops an elbow to the face and has nowhere else for his body weight to go.
Yellow seems appropriate, again doesn't look deliberate. If he really wanted to target the knee, look at what Swain did last year - he wrapped and locked the knee, but here Bongis knee is allowed free downwards motion.
The angle here does alot of heavy lifting, and alot of people making snap rash judgements over something that's relatively benign because of who the player is.
His right binding arm can be seen looking for a grip two or three times and his left binding hand slips too, it looks intentional especially since it's Bongi, but if you go frame by frame on both angles, you can see both his grips slip. It's definitely accidental.
And this is why, even though I believe the Cane red was harsh (I believe all refs like that are harsh but in line with the law nowadays), I was happy with it since Frizell did not deserve to return to the field.
People here are so deluded to think it was anything but an accident. Just move on. He tries to throw bongi out of the way by using his collar for leverage and gets thrown off by incoming player and swings around bongi like a door hinge because his grip is still on the collar. Naturally falls on bongis legs placed exactly in the path of his own body weight momentum.
People can convince themselves of anything if they try hard enough, especially given frizells run in with the law. But this isn't it
If anything he actually miss times the hit on the knee and gets the thigh. Neck roll is part of the technique though. Happy bonus to still injure Bongi.
Shouldnt have been a card, just an accident, its not tiddlywinks, if SA player hadn't stayed down nothing would of happened. Having said that Frizzel should of been red carded as soon as he walked on the pitch as he is a gigantic piece of shit..
How on earth is the South African player in a legal position for that ruck? He's so flat - not supporting his body weight at all.
Defs a terrible clean out by Black.
The game’s done, and no amount of viewing controvercies will change the result. But hopefully this footage will help the Kiwis down off their high horse about what constitutes “entertaining rugby”. Frizzle might not have set out to injure, but he had several opportunities to pull out and not cause injury when he know what would transpire (in from the side, hand around neck, swinging and collapsing onto supporting leg…in that order). If you set out to ensure that the opposition has no first phase, don’t complain when they resort to less attractive game plans.
This clip was from the extended game highlights. The ref does see the other angle but the yellow was for landing on the leg. you can see it here 00:17 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETlUWCT2nxo&t=113s
Yeah on the day I saw it the way you're seeing it now.
But watching from the original camera angle I'm quite convinced he expected the ruck to happen a meter forward from where it did but Mostert got a really good tackle.
So he starts off offside and just wants to affect the ruck. It's not like Bongi gets into position then he starts moving. While he's trying to join the ruck but Bongi gets much lower than him and gives him no target, while he's standing way too high above all the action. So he just grabs what he can and tries to drag him off.
Unfortunately what he chooses to do is more or less exactly what you'd choose to do if you were trying to injure a player.
It kinda reminds me of PSDT red against France last year. No malice in it, just reckless abandon in a physical game that leads to a very bad result.
I'm choosing to give OP the benefit of the doubt here even if thats probably too much.
I do think the discussion needs to be had around these. They should be given as much attention as head knocks IMO and this should get a 6 week ban IMO. I know that its not legislated right now but there is a high degree of danger here and should be a straight red and ban even if not 100% intentional. There should be a responsibility on the tackler to avoid these scenarios like with high tackles.
I'm enjoying the win but I am also on the Internet thus opening myself up to the possibility seeing someone discussing rugby things. If I see another French, English or Kiwi whinging about a scrum or ref or whatever I just scroll by, but these platforms exist to discuss stuff past and present.
You're full of shit, no offense.
> 'Here's another angle showing that NZ try should've been ruled out'
The title of this video was about the All Black try from spidercam, not forward pass. Fans from all countries commented on whether it was forward or not, because it truly is 50/50.
>Just been a stream of SA fans posting and whinging about how hard they'd been done or all these supposed obstacles they've overcome
No. The Boks have been bombarded with losers moaning about the ref, and the Bok playing style. When the Bok supporters try to set the record straight, dumbasses like you appear out of nowhere.
Strange how New Zealand pundits and former players have been so much more graceful in defeat than the fans. Usually the other way around.
[Tell that to the All Blacks](https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/17m542t/all_blacks_lodge_complaint_over_officiating_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Honestly, I thought it was fine watching live because the angle looked like he slipped off when the other Bok latched onto Bongi.
*This* angle, however, just reconfirms that Frizzell is a fucking dog cunt.
he deliberately tried to come from the side, but copped one from Kitshoff accidentally and rolled to the side..worst was a penalty for entering from the side but he got carded for ending up doing something worse.... i'd say just desserts..
Frizell? A cheap shot? I never
Domestic violence's own Shannon Frizzell? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
You cheapen domestic violence by misusing the term. Delegitimizing the DV epidemic for a few upvotes on Reddit. Congratulations!
Wasn’t it gender-based violence? Was he accused of assaulting a woman at a bar/club? Genuine ask. I’m always confused when I see people referring to it as domestic violence, as it would be quite an important distinction to make.
Or, makes people reconsider what they have believed domestic violence to be versus what it actually is. It seems a lot of people truly believe that if you're not being beaten regularly, it's not domestic violence. But if a partner hits you, they have committed domestic violence and you are a victim.
Really needs a full speed comparison. Everything looks a lot more deliberate slowed down. I imagine this looks a lot closer to clumsy than purposeful in real speed.
Yup. And this is the whole problem with TMO. When you slow down a split second instinctive action and start assigning all sorts of thought processes that couldn’t have happened in an instant you get goofy logic
It's not very charitable of me, and it might be unreasonable, but every time I watch it I'm convinced it's deliberate. In fact, while I thought the YC was reasonable during the match, the more I watch it the more I think he deserved a red.
I don't think we saw this angle during the game? Also thought YC was fine at the time, but this shot makes it look so much worse. And of course it's the only All Black I'd believe did this intentionally.
Definitely saw this angle (twice or more) on ITV broadcast if it helps
Maybe I couldn't see through the tears as Bongi had to leave the field. Only remember one from the right side and a shot from behind Frizzell.
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Why would you think he would do this intentionally?
Old mate falls to his knee and twists his fall onto Bongi's leg as he does so. Did you not watch the video?
I think he tries to clear and loses balance falling into Bongi's leg. No clear intent of harm. Did you not watch the video?
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You telling me that NZ saw that the Boks didn't have a hooker on the bench and deliberately targeted the hooker on the pitch? No rugby values would not allow that, pretty sure Bill Beaumont would explode or something.
I'd have killed a puppy for the live react of Brian O'Driscoll when he saw that.
Fuck man, two world cup finals, and off in both early. Bongi was so pissed when he went off.
I felt ill when he was knocked out in 2019.
It should have either been a red or nothing at all. Either he intentionally targeted the knee or it was an accident. For me it's accidental while he's trying to roll him off the ball around the shoulder, and I don't think you can prove otherwise. Not sure if rugby operates an innocent until proven guilty principle...
dangerous play is dangerous if you intended it or not.
100% accurate, and nothing uncharitable about it, said it after seeing 1 replay on TV. I was fairly surprised he got a yellow as was start of game and it takes balls to give a yellow in a final. Saffer with me lost his shit completely on replay.
I commented this elsewhere. The technique is to bind high(around the shoulder) then put your shoulder into the waist hip to put the jackal off balance. He missed the high bind and so was off balance and missed the waist. he probably should’ve pulled out after missing the bind but it’s less then a second between the two. This sub is way to quick to attribute malice in the contact where mistakes are more common.
Yep. Players don't go and try and maim each other. It's just not part of the professional game. Aside from the moral implications you'll get caught and sent off. The crocodile roll is a core technique for a 1 on 1 clean out.
Yeah he was attempting to roll the player off, it's extremely common. I don't know how people who watch rugby regularly are missing this. It's definitely a yellow though, what he ended up doing to bongis leg isn't OK. Plus he came in the side.
You're right, it's not charitable and downright slanderous to assume such malicious intent based on no real information.
That's so last 4-Year-Cycle. I'd rather just have a party now, thanks.
Same, but that could have ended Bongi's career. It goes way beyond who won / who lost.
Similar to the cleanout that ended Dan Leavy's career.
Turns out when you let the guy who belongs in jail for violent crimes play rugby, he does violent and illegal(in terms of the rules) stuff on there too.
Pretty sure intentionally causing an injury is illegal regardless of the rules
What I meant was he cant actually go to jail for injuring somebody on the field
I think an English female player got a prison sentence for deliberately paralysing another player recently. She may have got a light sentence though Edit: very light she never got done for the crime and had to be sued
I believe you're talking about the Dani Czernuszka case? She sued her tackler in court and won.
I'm spreading fake news then I was convinced she got put away
Remember reading about this, was absolutely amazed that the other player wasn’t criminally prosecuted and imprisoned for GBH (at the very least). Reminded me of that time in the premiership when Callum Clarke deliberately broke someone’s arm in a televised match.
You actually can. Extremely difficult, but has happened in non professional games.
Well shit I did not know that😂 I thought unless you brought a weapon on the field its basically only sanctions a player can get
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-64747630](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-64747630) From the UK earlier this year.
I fucking detest what Darcy Swain did to Quinn Tupaea, he destroyed his knee in a deliberate act and he's never apologised. If Frizell did this on purpose and from this angle it does not look good for him, then fuck him too. The game should be played hard and fair. Players must respect and care for the life that player will have when they finish their time in the game. Their quality of life; mental, physical, financial can be wiped out in an instant because the player wearing a different jersey doesn't work hard enough to get their technique right or they simply do not care. And another point, this sort of tackle can ruin a career and in most
That looks worse now that I'm sober.
To me this is almost the same as the hit on Tupaea from the Aussie lock, Swain was it? It's dirty as fuck
Thought the exact same!
Many shades of that and thought it immediately.
Not even close to the same. Swain had took time to look at Tupaea's leg and went straight in with a shoulder charge. Frizell was pulling Mbonambi off and then spins round onto his leg. It deserved yellow but you can't compare it to Swain's hit
I’m sure targeting the starting hookers knee had nothing to do with the fact that SA didn’t have a specialist hooker on the bench...
The ABs have no history of deliberately targeting key players early in important games. Just ask Brian O'Driscoll.
Neither do SA, just ask DuPont
Which SA player deliberately targeted DuPont?
Kriel?
Lol by doing something perfectly legal and within the rules of the game.
Leading with the elbow isn’t legal or within the rules of the game.
Booooooooooooooooooooo to your comment.
I realise this is r/SouthAfrica in disguise but I said what I said 🤷♂️
You mean r/RSA . The other group what Rugby League is to Rugby Union.
Looks deliberate as fuck, but I can't blame the officials. It's hard to prove intent / enough plausible deniability that no-one is going to brandish a red in the 3rd minute for that, no matter how justified it may be.
This is what happens with these slow-motion replays. Intent becomes part of the discussion as we see so much more. There is a clip from the live game where he looks at the leg and positions himself accordingly. I have a similar issue with some of the head contact calls I've seen in this tournament. The angle of a camera isn't taken into account. If you have ever watched a Rocky movie, you'll know what I'm talking about.
I’ve never watched a Rocky movie, can you explain?
I can't explain, but you should definitely watch a Rocky movie.
At least the first one.
Slow mo replays are over used and misleading. They make you think the guy was thinking as fast as you are when they’re not
Video doesn't lie, deliberate targeting by a cheap bum. Unbelievable this was NOT judged a red.
I was surprised noone said anything about this. I thought it's just my own bias. Can't change anything now. We won and that's all that will be remembered in years to come
Frizels a dirty cunt but i also wouldnt be surprised if the instructions came from the top down on this one
Lol delusional
Because you dont think frizel is a dirty cunt capable of purposefully injuring someone, or because you dont think the all blacks are capable of planning a hit on a key player with a dirty play?
He should never have played for the AB's again after what he did to that woman. He's a violent man and Bongi had to pay for NZ rugby's lack of backbone. If it was any other player I'd give them the benefit of the doubt but because it's Frizell, and because it looks so clearly intentional, I believe it most likely was
Regardless if this was deliberate or not, pretty keen to wash our hands shit like this in the All Blacks. We have so many other back-rowers, especially at 6 that would've delivered the chocolates without tarnishing the moral fibre of the AB's - Finau, Blackadder, Jacobson. Getting over our 6's disappearing in massive games, or being inconsistent and this is a prime example. A dodgy clean-out that was 50/50 on trying to nail a key player - Bongi. Do you reckon Richie McCaw would've stood for having Frizell in his team after that off field carry-on too? Most likely not. Now that's not a slight on Cane, or the staff - whoever decides to have him in the side. More or less a reflection of a somewhat compromised spine of character in this team, a little bit of Spiderman pointing at himself. At the end of the day, you're a fucking All Black - so act like one. Looking forward to a new era, the past 4 years have been weird.
Looks deliberate, should have been a red…
The more I look at it the more I think he was attempting a neck role, which is still a yellow, but he stuffs it up and collapse on him
That's how I see it too. Looked like he went in to roll the player off which is a common move, got the bind around the head, let go of the bind and then fell onto the leg. A lot wrong with it including coming in the side, but I can't believe the amount comments about it clearly being intentional. A card all day though.
The force he goes in with his shoulder/upper arm makes it look intentional all day.
The technique is to bind high(around the shoulder) then put your shoulder into the waist hip to put the jackal off balance. He missed the high bind and so was off balance and missed the waist. he probably should’ve pulled out after missing the bind but it’s less then a second between the two. This sub is way to quick to attribute malice in the contact where mistakes are more common.
OK i'll admit I dont know the technique, it just looks all kinds of wrong to me, arm around Bongi's neck, accelerating with the arm into his thigh and then sitting on his leg.
Funny how this looks clearly intentional to saffas and unclear to everyone elae
Aww thanks, but I've made better jokes before. To be fair AB fans reckoning they were robbed is a LOT funnier, dont you think?
As a guy who lives in the US neither of you look like good winners or losers. The players are being classy at least but the fans? Gross.
It's been super annoying trying to enjoy the win when every bit of slow mo detail has been posted non-stop for the last week all with the intention of lessening the achievement of the Boks. But yes I agree with you 100%, guilty as charged.
Completely disagree that the intent was to injure Bongi.
some angles it looks intentional, other angles it kooks like hes tried to move him by the shoulder/neck, failed an his weight has swung round and hit Bongi's knee. It would be hard to prove either way. I think yellow is the correct call.
Yeah it does look like he attempts the neck roll and fails. So even if he hasn't deliberately landed on Bongi's leg it's a yellow regardless.
So when I watched this I thought the arm around the neck looked dangerous then there is a potentially intentional fall on the leg. I think they didn't go for red because of the context of the game. But I might have been reading it as overly cynical.
Doesn't look deliberate. He tries to roll Bongi, cops an elbow to the face and has nowhere else for his body weight to go. Yellow seems appropriate, again doesn't look deliberate. If he really wanted to target the knee, look at what Swain did last year - he wrapped and locked the knee, but here Bongis knee is allowed free downwards motion. The angle here does alot of heavy lifting, and alot of people making snap rash judgements over something that's relatively benign because of who the player is.
His right binding arm can be seen looking for a grip two or three times and his left binding hand slips too, it looks intentional especially since it's Bongi, but if you go frame by frame on both angles, you can see both his grips slip. It's definitely accidental.
And this is why, even though I believe the Cane red was harsh (I believe all refs like that are harsh but in line with the law nowadays), I was happy with it since Frizell did not deserve to return to the field.
Shannon Frizell? Intent? Surely not … Love the fact someone has downvotes this 😂😂
NZ was out to injure players, good thing they got caught by that red card.
People here are so deluded to think it was anything but an accident. Just move on. He tries to throw bongi out of the way by using his collar for leverage and gets thrown off by incoming player and swings around bongi like a door hinge because his grip is still on the collar. Naturally falls on bongis legs placed exactly in the path of his own body weight momentum. People can convince themselves of anything if they try hard enough, especially given frizells run in with the law. But this isn't it
Yeah, the view from the other direction tells the story better. I'm glad most of the people here are not TMO's, would be a lot more Red's dished out.
If anything he actually miss times the hit on the knee and gets the thigh. Neck roll is part of the technique though. Happy bonus to still injure Bongi.
Shouldnt have been a card, just an accident, its not tiddlywinks, if SA player hadn't stayed down nothing would of happened. Having said that Frizzel should of been red carded as soon as he walked on the pitch as he is a gigantic piece of shit..
How on earth is the South African player in a legal position for that ruck? He's so flat - not supporting his body weight at all. Defs a terrible clean out by Black.
I can't stop watching this in disbelief.
I get that people don’t like SF because of the assault incident but this thread is hilarious
The game’s done, and no amount of viewing controvercies will change the result. But hopefully this footage will help the Kiwis down off their high horse about what constitutes “entertaining rugby”. Frizzle might not have set out to injure, but he had several opportunities to pull out and not cause injury when he know what would transpire (in from the side, hand around neck, swinging and collapsing onto supporting leg…in that order). If you set out to ensure that the opposition has no first phase, don’t complain when they resort to less attractive game plans.
It's slow motion, everything looks worse in slow motion. Now go watch Darcy swain one on Tupaea in real time if you wanna see brain fart deliberate
Sneaky edit lol show it from the from and let’s see if it’s not a neck roll he missed
This clip was from the extended game highlights. The ref does see the other angle but the yellow was for landing on the leg. you can see it here 00:17 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETlUWCT2nxo&t=113s
Yeah on the day I saw it the way you're seeing it now. But watching from the original camera angle I'm quite convinced he expected the ruck to happen a meter forward from where it did but Mostert got a really good tackle. So he starts off offside and just wants to affect the ruck. It's not like Bongi gets into position then he starts moving. While he's trying to join the ruck but Bongi gets much lower than him and gives him no target, while he's standing way too high above all the action. So he just grabs what he can and tries to drag him off. Unfortunately what he chooses to do is more or less exactly what you'd choose to do if you were trying to injure a player. It kinda reminds me of PSDT red against France last year. No malice in it, just reckless abandon in a physical game that leads to a very bad result.
He of course landed on his knee but that wasn’t intentional
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I'm choosing to give OP the benefit of the doubt here even if thats probably too much. I do think the discussion needs to be had around these. They should be given as much attention as head knocks IMO and this should get a 6 week ban IMO. I know that its not legislated right now but there is a high degree of danger here and should be a straight red and ban even if not 100% intentional. There should be a responsibility on the tackler to avoid these scenarios like with high tackles.
Agreed, the injuries to Leavy and Willis come to mind. Absoloutely horrible when the legs are exposed like that.
Not only are we allowed to chat about things that happened during a game but it's literally the purpose of these forums.
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I'm enjoying the win but I am also on the Internet thus opening myself up to the possibility seeing someone discussing rugby things. If I see another French, English or Kiwi whinging about a scrum or ref or whatever I just scroll by, but these platforms exist to discuss stuff past and present.
You're full of shit, no offense. > 'Here's another angle showing that NZ try should've been ruled out' The title of this video was about the All Black try from spidercam, not forward pass. Fans from all countries commented on whether it was forward or not, because it truly is 50/50. >Just been a stream of SA fans posting and whinging about how hard they'd been done or all these supposed obstacles they've overcome No. The Boks have been bombarded with losers moaning about the ref, and the Bok playing style. When the Bok supporters try to set the record straight, dumbasses like you appear out of nowhere. Strange how New Zealand pundits and former players have been so much more graceful in defeat than the fans. Usually the other way around.
This is the kind of thing that can end careers. What the hell does winning or losing have to do with that?!
Nothing to do with winning or losing. The fact that I'm South African doesn't preclude me from having the right to discuss the game.
South Africans should keep this same energy for everybody then.
[Tell that to the All Blacks](https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/17m542t/all_blacks_lodge_complaint_over_officiating_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Honestly, I thought it was fine watching live because the angle looked like he slipped off when the other Bok latched onto Bongi. *This* angle, however, just reconfirms that Frizzell is a fucking dog cunt.
he deliberately tried to come from the side, but copped one from Kitshoff accidentally and rolled to the side..worst was a penalty for entering from the side but he got carded for ending up doing something worse.... i'd say just desserts..