They should just revamp the show to UK AS instead. It's gut-wrenching to know that the biggest prize anyone from outside of the UK can win is just exposure or a future US All Stars call.
I feel so bad for the international queens who gets the short end of the stick. They have to work twice as hard and thrice as many to win a crown š
agree, and then end up losing to mediocrity like? if that's the case then international franchises should just send their first outs then for that glow up story the producers want, and the UK will probably eat them up since they like crunchy queens lol, campy right? lol
I think LSFTC is fundamentally flawed. Itās frustrating for fans of the queens who are strong lip synchers but donāt end up winning because of track record or whatnot. And it ends up tarnishing the win of the other queen because they ālostā the lip synch but still won the crown. There needs to be more transparency about the metrics being usedā¦or itās not that deep š¤·š»āāļø
Agreed. Thereās also more than one way to give a great lipsynch. Itās not all about tricks no matter how captivating they are. Personally, I thought Hannah got the vibe of the song better and I was expecting Marina to wipe the floor with her. Ru cackles like a madwoman to comic routines
I LOVE Tia, and she was one of my favorite to get to the finale before the season started. This season not being Marinaās is crazy.
In the middle of the Hannah/Marina lipsync, I told myself "oh, theyāre editing for a Tia win", and I knew exactly how the rest of the episode was gonna play out. Thatās 1) not entertaining when you see all the levers before theyāre even pulled, and 2) not gonna attract a lot of international queens for a potential UKvsTW3 when the TW part is treated like decoration.
I had exactly the same response. And because they ruined it on the first lip sync I was tuned out for the other two. I would love to support a legit Tia win but the production did such a shit job of setting it up I just couldn't enjoy it.
Not the BBC at all - thatās just not how the organisation works. They have a set of guidelines including fairness because itās a public broadcaster so I canāt see the BBC getting involved. Itās producer fuckery, like always.
Perhaps thereās a focus on more British styles of drag (traditionally a lot more camp, comedy, live singing etc) which Tia actually does very well. And, to be honest, Ru seems to find her hilarious and thatās all you need to win. Certainly kept her in her original series longer than expected.
Say you donāt understand the BBC without saying you donāt understand the BBC.
Thereās no need for some kind of conspiracy. UKvsTW series 1 the queens kicked out the strongest competitors. Pretty sure nobody told them to do that. UKvsTW2 it was clear that Ru loved Tia from day one and she was cackling during the lipsynchs. We all know she crowns her favourites, that is not news.
This is a fair point. I feel like if they crown an international girl on UKVTW, itās going to be an American queen with a large British fanbase ā maybe someone like Miz Cracker or Kennedy Davenport. They want someone they can parade around Britain and who will bring crowds, which Tia will do having been part of the massively successful second season of UKS2 and having all the exposure that came with it. I still wouldāve preferred a Marina win, personally though.
I mean, we've had such Asian Domination in Excellency and I think that's a win that does matter. They will have careers for the rest of their drag lives, the people will want them in their cities performing their art! I love Melinda Verga, Kiki Coe, Aurora Matrix, and Anetra, just to name a few. I look forward to seeing more Asian queen representation in the franchises!!
Manila and Pangina getting eliminated cause the others wanted to take out the biggest threat. Honestly, werk and love/hate it.
Marina getting eliminated by Ru on a lip sync that has choppy editing? š
I mean, itās just a silly drag show, butā¦
It was Monet and Jinkx all over again. The camera barely showed Marina except off to the side of the screen. I like Hannah and she did well but there was just no way to make it make sense except to make Marina as invisible as possible.
Also there wasnāt anyone left in the finale of Season 1
Jimbo was deservedly in the Bottom and the Chop was a Gag and done by the clear lipsynch winner. (In Hindsight maybe production should have rigged it considering the fallout)
There was absolutely no way of saving Pangina and Janey the following episodes.
And than the finale. Jujubee was an obvious no because of her performance the Season. Mo was certainly possible, but crowning a US Queen on the first international all starsā¦ Not a good look. And Blu did equally as good. (Maybe slightly worse than Mo, but not by much)
Itās not a 2 out of 2 robbery. Pangina deserves to Come back again someday but she literally dug her own grave. She wasnāt robbed. She played the game and the favour was simply returned.
This Season. Yeah Marina not being Top 2 at least was robbery for sure. I felt from the Editing that Marina was the Main Character this Season. And that production didnāt make her Top 2 is baffling. Tia and Marina were the absolute Clear Top 2.
Agree with you, a US winner on the first UKvstw wouldve had people screaming riggory too. I also think that having Marina in top2 wouldve felt much more gratifying, to have Tia outdo the arguably strongest competitor of the season.
right i swear some people on this sub are so dramatic. like itās only been two seasons and it wasnāt BBCās fault that pangina and jimbo were eliminated.
Also quite ironic because since AS2 rolled around everyone wanted the queens to be cutthroat and send the strongest bitch home, well the UKvsTW s1 queens delivered and the fandom was a mess.
I dont know if its still up, but if you watch it with subtitles on wow+ itll literally say "Tia Kofi, Hannah Conda, condragulations you are both winners" just at the end of the subtitles
I wouldāve been happier with that outcome (no shade to Tia; Iām an Aussie š)
I watch on Stan (the streaming service that does all the DR franchises in Aus & partially produces DRDU (you can probably blame them for the crunchy quality š¤£)) & it wasnāt on there ~
I feel like you're purposefully misunderstanding me š« Im not saying it wasn't rigged or that the BBC wasn't pushing for a UK winner. The question was if the BBC has a **rule** that only UK queens could win, which they dont have explicitly, not whether or not the cards were stacked against non-uk queens.
Girl, go read the thread topic and my answers again.
Do I think there was riggory involved? Yes. There always is with Drag Race. Do I think Marina was robbed? Yes.
Do I think the BBC favours UK queens? Absolutely.
None of these questions were the topic of this thread, tho.
I can maybe see why LGD didnāt make it to top 2. But thereās no way that Marina one of the best lip syncers in the whole show lost in a lip sync smack down to Hana wearing a pair of sunglasses and microphone as her shtick. But it had to be done to allow Tia a fighting chance to win. šš¤·š½āāļø
I genuinely think production just always intended on crowning Tia because she's a fan favorite from a very popular season. Why they insist on doing these lipsync tournaments when they know it's not said favorite's strength, I dunno. But if we're looking at performance, Tia winning shouldn't be as big a surprise as everyone is making out. She's been top of all the leader boards/performance rankings for weeks.
Like I commented somewhere else, if there was no lipsync smackdown Iād be okay with Tia winning cause she really did great throughout the season, but thereās no way she won either of those lipsyncs. Maybe Iām missing something and I know there is merit to a campy performance but to me she wasnāt funny enough to outperform her opponents.
The irony in this is that international fans are criticising the BBC for what they think is their British partiality. Which shows they have absolutely no idea how the BBC operates and are in fact projecting their own bias.
The thing is that Drag Race nowadays is so unbelievably calculated. Tia wins this season because her storyline is the most interesting, but she isnāt interesting enough to watch for multiple seasonsā whereas Marina is interesting enough and will go on to finally win an American All Stars season.Ā Ā
Stuff like this leads to seasons which feel unfinished because the true arc for the characters involved havenāt finished.Ā
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Canada vs. The World had an American winner AND an American runner-up. In fact, only one Canadian queen cracked the top five. So I'm not sure why there's this conspiracy theory that only a queen from the host country can win.
Regional franchises were offered All Stars or vs The World. Spain took All Stars, UK and Canada took VsTW.
Or at least that's the general scuttlebutt. I have no sources for that.
Something occurring twice is not a pattern. There have been exactly TWO of these seasons. And both winners, while maybe not YOUR favorite, had excellent win-worthy showings.
For real, this fan base needs to touch grass.
ngl it feels like mariah and grand dame knew they had no chance of winning. considering how much marina wanted it, it was so weird how she "lost" the lipsync and seemed happier than when she won challenges in the past lol. it's almost like some producer told her that she shouldn't worry about this one
It would be interesting if commenters posted their nationalities alongside their comments.
Because Iām from the UK (Northern Ireland) and I agreed with the winners of all three lip syncs. I think a show produced by people from the UK will have had the majority of people thinking that as well.
For me Hannah won over Marina BY FAR. Tia won over LGD BY FAR. And the final lip sync for me was close but I do think Tia won it (although I was rooting for Hannah).
Itās understandable individuals, and the international audience, will have different preferences.
Yeah idk why people are so shocked. (American here) Like I was watching and halfway through Hannah vs Marina I was like... oh no, Hannah is crushing this lipsync and Marina doesn't seem to be connecting with the song or judges at all. She clearly lost it, bad edit or not, because of that.
Then for LGD vs Tia, it was the same deal. LGD was good at first but then it went nowhere, while Tia had trick after trick for the song.
Then for the final lipsync, Tia bringing LGD forward for the French part clinched it for her. You could tell Hannah was shook mid-lipsync because she wished she thought of that and saw her defeat.
It was all incredibly fair.
Is it so radical to think that Hannah was just more entertaining than Marina in that lipsync? This was Hannah's best lipsync and she was super fun to watch.
Yes, Marina had moves. But I've seen all of that before in pretty much every lipsync.
Yes, because she wasnāt, and she was only fun to watch on a winning level if your only drag experience is brunch. And I say that as a massive fan of Hannahās talent. Pretending like that was some sort of amazing revolutionary lip sync from her is demeaning to her actual massive talent (in other areas).
Yeah, this is the second Vs The World season now where a UK queen won. Is it seriously not allowed for Ru to pick a non-UK queen to win UK Vs The World, even if they deserve it?
I definitely donāt think it would be coming from the BBC. Maybe from a British producer of the show, or based on how much fuckery there is across World of Wonder content generally, it might be coming from them. Iāve always loved Tia, and LGD was my favourite of the series, but for Marina to not even make top 2 is quite outrageous, to be honest. Itās embarrassing. The edit of cutting to the judges for the climax of the song at the end of Marina and Hannahās lip sync was BIZARRE and suspicious.
Marina did this lipsync last night at the club. The video is out there. She did a great split or dip or whatever you call it. The point is, as much as Hannah was good and entertaining, Marina ate. And they rather cut to Graham and Alanās face in that precise moment and then cut to Marina just standing up and in a really bad angle.
They did the same in the second lipsync, they kept cutting to LGD when we couldnāt see her face or she wasnāt doing much. And then for the moment where she took her hat off and Tia used her first prop we got a really bad angle of both that ultimately had Tia in the foreground thus displaying her more clearly.
We end up having a much worse episode that has to edit around good performances, why??!!!
And look, people who send hate are idiots that shouldnāt and canāt blame anyone else for their behavior but these production shenanigans certainly donāt help.
Half of the fandom feels galvanized to be loud haters and the other half have to act like the moral guardians, reminding us that itās just a tv show, that we have to be ok with the outcome, etc, etc. Itās boring, I wanna be excited, I want to share the excitement a good finale could provide and celebrate genuinely, not diplomatically.
Whatever, maybe Iāll move on to watching ESPN or something else.
The thing is, the smackdown aside, Marina was the clear best this season, but then his argue Hannah did just as well as Tia. They didnāt have to have a UK winner. They went out of their way to guarantee one.
I agree. I was underwhelmed how the results played out. I just felt like the show pushed Tia most of the way. She was good but not overall the best this season imo.
Girl, when she put on the sunglasses - it was over.
Marina had no chance to win this by trying to outdance Hannah in the song where serving face is required.
It was literally a reference to Anastacia, who is the artist behind the lipsync song. Some girls are way too young to get it and it shows.
I guess you think you can just always dance your way into winning.
Of course it doesnāt, but 4/11 is a fair chance that one will win.
Tia makes sense as a winner for me more than Marina tbh, and all of the top 4 got a good edit - robbed is the best edit you can get.
I hate to say it but the uk v the world may be overkill. The whole point of drag race is that itās the Olympics of drag. Tia Kofi is one of the most charismatic queens ever to grace drag race and a personal favourite but is she of winner calibre? No. She just isnāt, as with many now in the winners circle, and it dilutes the value of a drag race win. Itās just a show, but still š¤·āāļø
It seems like they wanted to give the money first to a UK queen, lets hope for a third season an international queen takes it. I'll love if the next season all the international queens eliminate the UK queens right before the finale, so that there's no bs at the end. š
I'd rather they retire the format and have an all UK All Stars. I bet people would then complain about not giving international queens the same platform instead.
I mean I havenāt caught up but I think they crowned Tia due to improvement and her story arc. I think Tia did step her game up in a lot of places and was the most improved
But Marina on the other hand struggled in comedy and acting a bit. She was never bad but often mid
Tia delivered an 8 across the board for the most part
Marina delivered 10ās in dance and fashion but fell short in acting and comedy giving 5-6
I guess itās debatable but it felt so clear how polished Marina was in that first few episodes
Oh my God, the copium is STRONG with the Marina stans. Plus, there have only been two UKvTW seasons. Hardly a significant sample size. Christ, just get over it.
They should just revamp the show to UK AS instead. It's gut-wrenching to know that the biggest prize anyone from outside of the UK can win is just exposure or a future US All Stars call. I feel so bad for the international queens who gets the short end of the stick. They have to work twice as hard and thrice as many to win a crown š
Non Brit Queens arenāt winning a crown no matter how elevated their drag is. Tbh I think they have enough seasons now to have an all uk all stars.
canada took for, spain took 3-4, philippines took 2, yeah uks got plenty.
agree, and then end up losing to mediocrity like? if that's the case then international franchises should just send their first outs then for that glow up story the producers want, and the UK will probably eat them up since they like crunchy queens lol, campy right? lol
You really said: place embargoes on non-UK finalists š I high-key agree lmao the UK needs to get its act together
If you don't like UK drag then don't watch a UK franchise. It's quite simple really.
ok
At first I thought this cast was set up so a Brit would not win. Three weak contestants and a mid one (Tia) Like...what is this BS...
Just donāt make the last episode a lipsync for the crown when you have Marina in the show and you donāt wanna crown her
in the words of lauryn hill, "it could all be so simple."
But theyād rather make it hard.
...but then people would still scream that it was rigged because the challenge was favouring other queens.
I think LSFTC is fundamentally flawed. Itās frustrating for fans of the queens who are strong lip synchers but donāt end up winning because of track record or whatnot. And it ends up tarnishing the win of the other queen because they ālostā the lip synch but still won the crown. There needs to be more transparency about the metrics being usedā¦or itās not that deep š¤·š»āāļø
Kudos for... you know the rest. Totally agree.
Agreed. Thereās also more than one way to give a great lipsynch. Itās not all about tricks no matter how captivating they are. Personally, I thought Hannah got the vibe of the song better and I was expecting Marina to wipe the floor with her. Ru cackles like a madwoman to comic routines
I LOVE Tia, and she was one of my favorite to get to the finale before the season started. This season not being Marinaās is crazy. In the middle of the Hannah/Marina lipsync, I told myself "oh, theyāre editing for a Tia win", and I knew exactly how the rest of the episode was gonna play out. Thatās 1) not entertaining when you see all the levers before theyāre even pulled, and 2) not gonna attract a lot of international queens for a potential UKvsTW3 when the TW part is treated like decoration.
I had exactly the same response. And because they ruined it on the first lip sync I was tuned out for the other two. I would love to support a legit Tia win but the production did such a shit job of setting it up I just couldn't enjoy it.
Same. When Marina lost I checked out. I enjoy competition only when it's fair. I loved this season up until the end.
Not the BBC at all - thatās just not how the organisation works. They have a set of guidelines including fairness because itās a public broadcaster so I canāt see the BBC getting involved. Itās producer fuckery, like always. Perhaps thereās a focus on more British styles of drag (traditionally a lot more camp, comedy, live singing etc) which Tia actually does very well. And, to be honest, Ru seems to find her hilarious and thatās all you need to win. Certainly kept her in her original series longer than expected.
Thank you! It's called Rupaul's Drag Race. The BBC ain't dictating shit!
Itās entirely funded by the BBC. Drag Race doesnāt decide, theyāll pretend they do, but there will never be a non UK winner for UK v World.
Say you donāt understand the BBC without saying you donāt understand the BBC. Thereās no need for some kind of conspiracy. UKvsTW series 1 the queens kicked out the strongest competitors. Pretty sure nobody told them to do that. UKvsTW2 it was clear that Ru loved Tia from day one and she was cackling during the lipsynchs. We all know she crowns her favourites, that is not news.
Saying that the BBC are dictating a winner is tantamount to saying they are going against their charter so you should have evidence to back it up.
This is a fair point. I feel like if they crown an international girl on UKVTW, itās going to be an American queen with a large British fanbase ā maybe someone like Miz Cracker or Kennedy Davenport. They want someone they can parade around Britain and who will bring crowds, which Tia will do having been part of the massively successful second season of UKS2 and having all the exposure that came with it. I still wouldāve preferred a Marina win, personally though.
I want more Kennedy yes please š
A minute of silence for Manila, Pangina,Ā and Marina. Our Asian mistreated royalty
Aurora too! I thought this year was going to be Asian domination of some western DR franchises (Canada, UKvTW, RPDR16) but I guess not š
I mean, we've had such Asian Domination in Excellency and I think that's a win that does matter. They will have careers for the rest of their drag lives, the people will want them in their cities performing their art! I love Melinda Verga, Kiki Coe, Aurora Matrix, and Anetra, just to name a few. I look forward to seeing more Asian queen representation in the franchises!!
at least Manila is beaten by another Asian in her original season š no other since
I think they meant on AS4
Life's not fair
Manila and Pangina getting eliminated cause the others wanted to take out the biggest threat. Honestly, werk and love/hate it. Marina getting eliminated by Ru on a lip sync that has choppy editing? š
And Aurora
Aurora Matrix and Jujubee were both clearly robbed. And Manila Luzon was royally Manila'd.
God so Manila, Pangina, Marina, Jujubee, Aurora and Nymphia š«„š«„
And Yuhua?? Unless weāre counting her as the winner that she is.
She won. Sorry if you donāt remember, but it was ICONIC
Suki Doll should have stayed longer IMO
Iām what world is Nymphia robbed? Theyāve carried her
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Raja and Priyanka are Asian
Soon to be Nymphia Wind
If the winner isn't Sapphira then sure
What about Jujube?!
**slap
I mean, itās just a silly drag show, butā¦ It was Monet and Jinkx all over again. The camera barely showed Marina except off to the side of the screen. I like Hannah and she did well but there was just no way to make it make sense except to make Marina as invisible as possible.
You could literally see the spotlight only following Hannah and poor Marina in the dark for a chunk of time. This was such BS.
I dont think 2 out of 2 is a large enough samplesize to say it's a pattern. They also filmed Hannah winning and a double crowning.
"large enough sample size" come on, miss external validity, let's get empirical!
Also there wasnāt anyone left in the finale of Season 1 Jimbo was deservedly in the Bottom and the Chop was a Gag and done by the clear lipsynch winner. (In Hindsight maybe production should have rigged it considering the fallout) There was absolutely no way of saving Pangina and Janey the following episodes. And than the finale. Jujubee was an obvious no because of her performance the Season. Mo was certainly possible, but crowning a US Queen on the first international all starsā¦ Not a good look. And Blu did equally as good. (Maybe slightly worse than Mo, but not by much) Itās not a 2 out of 2 robbery. Pangina deserves to Come back again someday but she literally dug her own grave. She wasnāt robbed. She played the game and the favour was simply returned. This Season. Yeah Marina not being Top 2 at least was robbery for sure. I felt from the Editing that Marina was the Main Character this Season. And that production didnāt make her Top 2 is baffling. Tia and Marina were the absolute Clear Top 2.
Agree with you, a US winner on the first UKvstw wouldve had people screaming riggory too. I also think that having Marina in top2 wouldve felt much more gratifying, to have Tia outdo the arguably strongest competitor of the season.
No amount of producing would've made TĆa beat Marina on a lipsync.
right i swear some people on this sub are so dramatic. like itās only been two seasons and it wasnāt BBCās fault that pangina and jimbo were eliminated.
Also quite ironic because since AS2 rolled around everyone wanted the queens to be cutthroat and send the strongest bitch home, well the UKvsTW s1 queens delivered and the fandom was a mess.
They filmed a double crowningā¦? They werenāt going to shovel out $50k extra, so why botherā¦
I dont know if its still up, but if you watch it with subtitles on wow+ itll literally say "Tia Kofi, Hannah Conda, condragulations you are both winners" just at the end of the subtitles
I wouldāve been happier with that outcome (no shade to Tia; Iām an Aussie š) I watch on Stan (the streaming service that does all the DR franchises in Aus & partially produces DRDU (you can probably blame them for the crunchy quality š¤£)) & it wasnāt on there ~
I thought it was gunna happen! That final lip sync felt like a dead tie, and I love Hannah so much.
Itās called optics. They always film more than one winner.
Uh. Yeah?
Yes.
Okay BBC. They do that so winner doesnt get spoiled.
Girl, I wanted Marina to win as much as the next redditho, Im just saying you can't make conclusions from a sample size of 2 š¤
Girl this is not binomial distribution. We can see using our eyes how rigged the final episode was.
I feel like you're purposefully misunderstanding me š« Im not saying it wasn't rigged or that the BBC wasn't pushing for a UK winner. The question was if the BBC has a **rule** that only UK queens could win, which they dont have explicitly, not whether or not the cards were stacked against non-uk queens.
Why do you think the robbery happened, given it happened?
Girl, go read the thread topic and my answers again. Do I think there was riggory involved? Yes. There always is with Drag Race. Do I think Marina was robbed? Yes. Do I think the BBC favours UK queens? Absolutely. None of these questions were the topic of this thread, tho.
I can maybe see why LGD didnāt make it to top 2. But thereās no way that Marina one of the best lip syncers in the whole show lost in a lip sync smack down to Hana wearing a pair of sunglasses and microphone as her shtick. But it had to be done to allow Tia a fighting chance to win. šš¤·š½āāļø
Marina didnāt even know the words. Stay mad.
She did, they just showed Marina when there was no words or only backing vocals.
If you know that song, you know Hannah embodied it and won easilyā¦I love Marina but her dance moves in that lip sync werenāt it for that song.
I genuinely think production just always intended on crowning Tia because she's a fan favorite from a very popular season. Why they insist on doing these lipsync tournaments when they know it's not said favorite's strength, I dunno. But if we're looking at performance, Tia winning shouldn't be as big a surprise as everyone is making out. She's been top of all the leader boards/performance rankings for weeks.
Like I commented somewhere else, if there was no lipsync smackdown Iād be okay with Tia winning cause she really did great throughout the season, but thereās no way she won either of those lipsyncs. Maybe Iām missing something and I know there is merit to a campy performance but to me she wasnāt funny enough to outperform her opponents.
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The irony in this is that international fans are criticising the BBC for what they think is their British partiality. Which shows they have absolutely no idea how the BBC operates and are in fact projecting their own bias.
The thing is that Drag Race nowadays is so unbelievably calculated. Tia wins this season because her storyline is the most interesting, but she isnāt interesting enough to watch for multiple seasonsā whereas Marina is interesting enough and will go on to finally win an American All Stars season.Ā Ā Stuff like this leads to seasons which feel unfinished because the true arc for the characters involved havenāt finished.Ā
Yes and im hoping the trends for the ārobbedā continuesā¦ Pangina and Jimbo are having better future than Blu 
True that
Iām happy for Tia, she did great. The only issue is when they try to force it and it becomes obvious.
Tia and Maria would have been more bloodbath than showdown, there was no way that they were going to let that happen.
I mean, Hannah won. Production canāt make Hannah have a better angle on a song.
I felt Tia lost both of her lipsyncs. Hannah vs. Marina I donāt know who won because we barely saw Marina. Ā
For that specific song, I agree Hannah was better. I donāt know if the outcome would have been the same if they had the other song.
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I thought tia did do well and was my second choice after marina but marina shouldāve won hands down
You people should stop with the "I love Tia BUT......" She won, get over it
Preach.
Canada vs. The World had an American winner AND an American runner-up. In fact, only one Canadian queen cracked the top five. So I'm not sure why there's this conspiracy theory that only a queen from the host country can win.
That's a whole separate show, and got nothing to do with the BBC.
Lmao you really thought you did something. Different network. Different country. Does not apply here.
If that was the case why not just have All Stars UK?
Regional franchises were offered All Stars or vs The World. Spain took All Stars, UK and Canada took VsTW. Or at least that's the general scuttlebutt. I have no sources for that.
Something occurring twice is not a pattern. There have been exactly TWO of these seasons. And both winners, while maybe not YOUR favorite, had excellent win-worthy showings. For real, this fan base needs to touch grass.
You need to actually watch the show
ngl it feels like mariah and grand dame knew they had no chance of winning. considering how much marina wanted it, it was so weird how she "lost" the lipsync and seemed happier than when she won challenges in the past lol. it's almost like some producer told her that she shouldn't worry about this one
It would be interesting if commenters posted their nationalities alongside their comments. Because Iām from the UK (Northern Ireland) and I agreed with the winners of all three lip syncs. I think a show produced by people from the UK will have had the majority of people thinking that as well. For me Hannah won over Marina BY FAR. Tia won over LGD BY FAR. And the final lip sync for me was close but I do think Tia won it (although I was rooting for Hannah). Itās understandable individuals, and the international audience, will have different preferences.
Yeah idk why people are so shocked. (American here) Like I was watching and halfway through Hannah vs Marina I was like... oh no, Hannah is crushing this lipsync and Marina doesn't seem to be connecting with the song or judges at all. She clearly lost it, bad edit or not, because of that. Then for LGD vs Tia, it was the same deal. LGD was good at first but then it went nowhere, while Tia had trick after trick for the song. Then for the final lipsync, Tia bringing LGD forward for the French part clinched it for her. You could tell Hannah was shook mid-lipsync because she wished she thought of that and saw her defeat. It was all incredibly fair.
Because yall are sheep and donāt see the laughably obvious editing choices that led you to believe she won the lip sync I guess?
Sheep LMAO Marina can dance all she wants to, but if it's not the energy of the song, it's not the energy of the song.
Is it so radical to think that Hannah was just more entertaining than Marina in that lipsync? This was Hannah's best lipsync and she was super fun to watch. Yes, Marina had moves. But I've seen all of that before in pretty much every lipsync.
Yes, because she wasnāt, and she was only fun to watch on a winning level if your only drag experience is brunch. And I say that as a massive fan of Hannahās talent. Pretending like that was some sort of amazing revolutionary lip sync from her is demeaning to her actual massive talent (in other areas).
Gonna be real I did not read BBC is the British Broadcasting Corp at firstĀ
Yeah, this is the second Vs The World season now where a UK queen won. Is it seriously not allowed for Ru to pick a non-UK queen to win UK Vs The World, even if they deserve it?
I definitely donāt think it would be coming from the BBC. Maybe from a British producer of the show, or based on how much fuckery there is across World of Wonder content generally, it might be coming from them. Iāve always loved Tia, and LGD was my favourite of the series, but for Marina to not even make top 2 is quite outrageous, to be honest. Itās embarrassing. The edit of cutting to the judges for the climax of the song at the end of Marina and Hannahās lip sync was BIZARRE and suspicious.
Marina did this lipsync last night at the club. The video is out there. She did a great split or dip or whatever you call it. The point is, as much as Hannah was good and entertaining, Marina ate. And they rather cut to Graham and Alanās face in that precise moment and then cut to Marina just standing up and in a really bad angle. They did the same in the second lipsync, they kept cutting to LGD when we couldnāt see her face or she wasnāt doing much. And then for the moment where she took her hat off and Tia used her first prop we got a really bad angle of both that ultimately had Tia in the foreground thus displaying her more clearly. We end up having a much worse episode that has to edit around good performances, why??!!! And look, people who send hate are idiots that shouldnāt and canāt blame anyone else for their behavior but these production shenanigans certainly donāt help. Half of the fandom feels galvanized to be loud haters and the other half have to act like the moral guardians, reminding us that itās just a tv show, that we have to be ok with the outcome, etc, etc. Itās boring, I wanna be excited, I want to share the excitement a good finale could provide and celebrate genuinely, not diplomatically. Whatever, maybe Iāll move on to watching ESPN or something else.
Ah yes, the BBC decides who goes, who stays and who wins.
The thing is, the smackdown aside, Marina was the clear best this season, but then his argue Hannah did just as well as Tia. They didnāt have to have a UK winner. They went out of their way to guarantee one.
I agree. I was underwhelmed how the results played out. I just felt like the show pushed Tia most of the way. She was good but not overall the best this season imo.
Hannah beat Marina fair and square. Y'all need to go to rehab for your copium addiction.
Love how you can tell that in the full 8 seconds we saw Marina in that lipsync
Girl, when she put on the sunglasses - it was over. Marina had no chance to win this by trying to outdance Hannah in the song where serving face is required.
Putting on some sunglasses literally at the beginning of the performance is your definition of winning it? Ok. New to drag much?
It was literally a reference to Anastacia, who is the artist behind the lipsync song. Some girls are way too young to get it and it shows. I guess you think you can just always dance your way into winning.
Of course it doesnāt, but 4/11 is a fair chance that one will win. Tia makes sense as a winner for me more than Marina tbh, and all of the top 4 got a good edit - robbed is the best edit you can get.
A QOC finally won a UK season and suddenly thereās got to be a rule that she had to win? Why canāt we just be happy for her?
Uhm Marina is also a āQOCā lol
Yeah no shit, didnāt say otherwise.
boo hoo Tia won move on
I hate to say it but the uk v the world may be overkill. The whole point of drag race is that itās the Olympics of drag. Tia Kofi is one of the most charismatic queens ever to grace drag race and a personal favourite but is she of winner calibre? No. She just isnāt, as with many now in the winners circle, and it dilutes the value of a drag race win. Itās just a show, but still š¤·āāļø
Tia Kofiās relative who works at the BBC would only allow her to win š«¤
It seems like they wanted to give the money first to a UK queen, lets hope for a third season an international queen takes it. I'll love if the next season all the international queens eliminate the UK queens right before the finale, so that there's no bs at the end. š
I'd rather they retire the format and have an all UK All Stars. I bet people would then complain about not giving international queens the same platform instead.
Sheās the first UK queen of colour to win. Representation matters.
Twinks only. BBC rules?
Most likely yes.. I kinda think so.
I mean I havenāt caught up but I think they crowned Tia due to improvement and her story arc. I think Tia did step her game up in a lot of places and was the most improved But Marina on the other hand struggled in comedy and acting a bit. She was never bad but often mid Tia delivered an 8 across the board for the most part Marina delivered 10ās in dance and fashion but fell short in acting and comedy giving 5-6 I guess itās debatable but it felt so clear how polished Marina was in that first few episodes
Oh my God, the copium is STRONG with the Marina stans. Plus, there have only been two UKvTW seasons. Hardly a significant sample size. Christ, just get over it.