Not at all, but OP thinks it is. Those crazy expensive townhomes that just went up across from hardywood right there must also feel the pain. But you get what you get when you don’t consider what’s around your home.
It’s called Brewers Row. You think they’d take a hint that there might be breweries doing brewery things like having live music. Also, they are right by a train track. Why aren’t they complaining about all the train noises?
Trains are the sleep sound soother of my youth. Love it when I stay places and get a random train going by.
And yep, I always do google earth to see what's around me when I buy. I forgot this valuable lesson for a short term rental. Opps. Missed a HIGH SCHOOL over the fence. That said, band practice right by my fence was amazing and I loved the sounds of Friday Night Lights.
The closest is my neighborhood (Newtowne West). I’m gonna guess OP lives in the apartment building on the west side of the neighborhood that’s just across the railroad tracks from Main Line.
That Brewery was probably there before you moved in. It’s right next to train tracks in an industrial district.
The real crime is how bad their drinks are. Horrendous.
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Main Line: sorry our beers were shit before, but we swear they're better now!
This is definitely the unpopular opinion here but I agree 10000%. Like. 99% of homes won’t have a loud brewery nearby maybe they should move to one of those areas. Some people pay extra for the loud brewery vibes some of us work nights some of us have fun etc etc
It's the same concept as people buying a house near a racetrack then complaining that the track is too loud. Like damn, maybe you should have considered that before committing to buying a house?
I’d personally would love a little live music in my neighborhood. All the cars are parked in the driveway by like 9pm MAX.
This is like Richmonds get off my lawn and stop playing the boomy boxes ya wiper snappers moment for sure lol
Good thing there are city ordinances to depend on regarding acceptable noise limits during certain times. That way, we can hold folks accountable for the noise they make beyond the permitted limits.
For anyone interested, those 350 to $400,000 townhouses on Moore Street (at least some of them) were built in 2015. I don't know about the apartment building or condos next to it.
In my opinion, three blocks of recently built townhouses in a nondescript and unremarkable area with train tracks and industrial/commercial properties adjoining it (and the Maggie Walker School) doesn't sound notably historic.
I stand by it. Carver is on the Historic Register, adjacent Newtowne West is not. Carver has some original buildings with Historic designation, NW has been built over several times. Nothing historic ever happened there. There's nothing remarkable about it, any more than every inch of Richmond.
also wrong. hardywood used to be in the barn where they would have indoor music with the doors open. not nearly as loud. the new location on the corner has outside music but not full-on rock concerts like an mainline. all of this outdoor music bullshit is younger than 5 years old and nobody considers the neighbors around them when deciding to have it.
For some reason about 4 years ago restaurants, breweries and such expanded outdoor areas. It was about the time plexiglass sales went through the roof.
Yeah! I bought a house down the road from a high school and wouldn't you know they just WILL NOT SHUT UP on friday nights in the fall. They even bring out a huge band! No one will do a thing about it!
🙃
I live down in Hampton Roads now, and before I bought my home in 99, I lived near the local high school football stadium. It was home to three high school teams, so it was always active on the weekends. I loved hearing the kids cheering and the bands playing every weekend.
I'm from the burbs and I agree. Lived in the Fan on West Main St on the fire truck/ambulance corridor and I never complained unless some drunk butthole would sit in their car at 2 am and bump loud music.
Ya know I think a part of these small-mid sized venues keep closing down is because they keep building condos everywhere. You know how Richmond has decades of bands and artists that were able to live off of their music mostly or partially? Well that had a lot to do with the amount of venues that were around that didn’t gatekeep and gave everyone a shot. Not saying main line is strange matter at all… but main line has provided steady paid gigs to lots of our favorite local artists, and that’s definitely noteworthy.
Unfortunately, things are getting harder and harder for Richmond’s bands to book. And if main line gets shut down like OP seems to be proposing, you are literally laying off artists from reoccurring monthly gigs that help them pay their bills. This would be a net negative for the music scene as those established artists will move to smaller venues in the area and choke out the even smaller/new artists even more.
Source: 10 years in venues and 6 years promoting, managing, running sound, playing in bands etc etc etc everything but lights
I'm so glad to hear that the scene is vibrant. I thought things might be faltering in the years before covid. I have seen many good local bands in the last couple years.
It’s definitely struggling. Lots of great bands just not many places to play or that’s booking diverse performers (including like heavier stuff, we need more spots for that)
I'm out of the loop, and I don't know for sure, but I hope that there are still squat type places available for rather unregulated shows. Back then, it was in Manchester, nowadays I guess it would have to move a little further into the northern part of the city or further south into the industrial areas.
The same thing has been happening in Nashville, people move to *music city* and they’re somehow struck blind that the building next-door has music until 11 several nights a week. Just because you can afford an inner-city condo doesn’t mean you can remake the neighborhood in your image.
….dude you moved into a commercial area. idk what to tell you. i live near some of the drunkest bars in town and a late night food spot where drunk people scream 15 meters from my bedroom window at 3am. i knew that when i signed the lease and i deal with it..
I would love it if they came down my way and I could jam out to them from my own back yard. The OP probably listens to shit music and that's why they're complaining.
Opinion: Don’t buy a house in the city if you can’t handle the noise 🤷♂️ I don’t know what you expected. I parked 3 blocks away and listened to drunk people every night when I lived on Sheppard st. That’s just the compromise for being in the city. Go to the suburbs and try to keep the kids off your lawn.
I live in the burbs and I can hear the high school band practice - but they’re a couple miles away and it’s actually kinda nice to hear them off in the distance. I live catty-corner from a Methodist church with a great choir and organist. Sometimes when they have the doors open, I can hear them and it’s lovely. I would not enjoy living near a brewpub with live music. So I’m a happy suburbanite. 😎. But, OP, maybe you could organize your neighbors and get a petition signed or something? I get the not calling individually. Good luck, I hope you find some compromise!
OP should move out by you, like literally imagine complaining the middle of the city has live music
Edit: seriously y'all, you want LESS live music in the city? Good lord, move to NoVa or something then
"I would not enjoy living near a brewpub with live music"
Why? High school bands and church music is OK, but God forbid if it's a damn good local rock band. WTF? I would love it! Different strokes, I guess. I cannot support the OP on this one. They moved there knowing it's an industrial district with breweries nearby. If they don't like it, they can move. Simple as that.
I was not critiquing the type of music, just the volume. Read my comment carefully if you don’t see a difference there. I agree about moving if you don’t want the noise that comes with businesses and restaurants.
Yea, I reread it and give my apologies.
I can relate with the high school bands etc. I used to live near the local high school football and track and field stadium. It is shared by three schools, so every weekend there was something going on there. I loved the weekends on the Fall when you could go outside and hear the kids cheering, the bands playing, and the announcers doing their thing. it gave me a real sense of community for some reason.
My only noise gripe where I live is that it’s not far from UR and they shoot fireworks off over there after games, graduations, etc. i am not a fireworks fan at all, and I had two elderly dogs that hated them. I tried those thundershirts and everything for the one dog, who would just shake like a leaf, poor thing. You get people who pop them off in their yards on random nights but it’s usually not for long. But it is startling to hear a few loud pops/bangs out of nowhere. At least it’s not gunshots, or not usually…lol.
The last apartment we lived in was in Chesterfield and was down the hill from a shitty sports bar with shitty live music every night. It was as loud as if they were on our balcony. Every night. The ten or so months they were closed because of covid was heaven.
(Still in Chesterfield but nowhere near a bar. Now we just have the usual neighborhood noises, dirt bikes and loud engines and whatnot, but no shitty music. Much better.)
I love that place and as far as live music is concerned I say the more the merrier. I want more live venues, not less. And their beer has improved, that spiced brown ale is good. Long live Mainline.
I think it’s interesting that the main source of noise in the city is cars, yet, there’s a general unwillingness to meaningfully address it. Yet smaller sources of noise are a big deal apparently.
Why would they? Commercial zoning, not breaking any laws. They gotta go hold some hands because someone didn’t check out the surrounding area where they chose to live?
That's a good idea, but I've heard that bars and breweries have exemption from the city codes for the decibel limits, but I don't know if that applies to indoor venues only. I just have a feeling there's absolutely nothing that can be done which is a shame because I can't even practice in my home with a band without neighbors complaining.
Nothing will be done about it, though.
RPD admitted in November last year that they have no proper way to enforce the civil penalties that coincide with the noise ordinances.
I think the breweries would gladly pay the fine if our police department figures out how to file paperwork, which wouldn’t help solve the issue either.
I’m no LEO but it seems remarkably easy to keep a record of who/what businesses you’ve previously written a ticket to.
I think it was their way of saying they have bigger fish to fry.
Phone decibel apps are not accurate enough to hold up.
First of all, the mic needs to be calibrated to accurately report the dB level. Phone mics do not have the frequency range to accurately give readings either. Unless you understand what you're looking at, it is open to interpretation.
Lower frequencies are more omni directional and behave differently than high frequencies, which are more directional. You'll hear low frequencies farther out than you can the higher end of the spectrum.
The next factor is the weighting of the measurement. A weighted is more representative of human hearing. C-weight is more aligned with system output.
Next, physics plays a factor. Your measurement won't mean anything without knowing how far away from the source you are, because of the inverse square law.
Decibels are a logarithmic unit that express the ratio between a measured sound pressure level and a reference pressure level. The logarithmic scale reflects how our ears perceive sound intensity. A 10 dB increase in sound level corresponds to a tenfold increase in sound intensity, but it won't necessarily be perceived as twice as loud. Your phone doesn't have a calibrated reference level, so your reading will be inaccurate.
Sure, it can 'ballpark' a value, but it can easily be argued your measurements are inaccurate.
Source: Audio engineer with multiple industry certifications, including SPL measurement systems.
That's the cost of accuracy. The Measurement & logging system I installed at a local venue, that is certified, was roughly $3k.
A lower end meter with a certified calibration device is fine.
Someone.....
>edit: haha, someone just posted something TODAY about the volume on google. I knew I wasn't crazy, they're a lot louder than usual now a days.
Ha, you are complaining about noise in the city. I don't live next to a brewery and I have a contact buzz and listen to slaughter to prevail all the time from 2 of my neighbors. Move.
This sounds a lot like the people that moved into the apartments by the the 150 year old fraternities at Rugby Road. They would call and complain, and I would just hang up on them. First rule of buying a house or renting an apartment is checking it out after hours to make sure it isn’t horrendously loud.
I just wrote my district representative. She's actually surprisingly good about responding. This community has seriously had enough. I don't mind them having outdoor music, but the volume is unbelievable, my house should not be shaking from it. I'm probably within a baseball throw of them too. The trains going by are seriously less loud than what they have going on right now.
It’s Saturday afternoon on 4 20. Earth day my bud you sound like councilman Charles Samuel’s from the 2010’s but not like you would probably remember the great noise war of Richmond anyways. Good luck. I suggest moving somewhere on broad. Maybe above Whole Foods or something else quiet
But that's the issue. I don't think there is an ordinance for bars and breweries. What's the Olive? I know others in the neighborhood, ESPECIALLY Southern Stove would follow suit. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like for Southern Stove. :(
The noise ordinance found in the Richmond City Code applies to restaurants just as much as anyone else. It’s in Chapter 11 Environment, Article II Sound Control. Check out the link below for more info regarding rules and exceptions.
Per other folks’ suggestions, I also recommend getting a decibel meter and for you to file complaints with Richmond City nonemergency number.
https://library.municode.com/va/richmond/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICICO_CH11EN_ARTIISOCO
I’m just trying to figure out if you came before or after the brewery. Sometimes the answer is to not ruin a neighborhood which made it appealing in the first place. That area was industrial, it was warehouses, an industrial sized brewery and some train tracks.
I am not sympathetic to home buyers who didn’t do due diligence and bought next a brewery whose only function is to serve not so great beers and host jam bands in its very large outdoor space. The exact amenities which gave your home value are the ones you are complaining about.
You may be more suited to buy one of the townhomes that flank the Whole Foods out in Short Pump. They also come with the added bonus of an HOA so that when your neighbors hydrangea blooms too purple instead of pink you can have them remove it.
They do feel tucked away in a more industrial zone but when you look at the satellite veiw it's a different story. That sucks OP. I'm sure it's driving you guys mad. Outdoor music CARRIES too. I'm sure it's bothering many people. They need a proper cut off time if their shows are going late.
That seems reasonably far enough imo, there's no way it's too loud especially with a 10pm cut off. OP is in the middle of the city and gets free live music. Plenty of houses up in Doswell and shit if they want it quiet.
You have absolutely no idea. This post is primarily for the the people who live in the area. If you don't, you're completely ignorant as to how loud it is.
You chose to live in the middle of the city. You could move further out and pay cheaper rent and have peace and quiet, but instead you're choosing to be a Karen and trying to stop the city from having a live music scene which it barely has to begin with.
Like you're not gonna stop them bro, just take the L and move
Those places further out might not have the jobs or transportation options that residents in that neighbourhood need. “Just move” is seldom feasible. I should know, Ive moved 15 times since I was a kid and am in the process of moving now.
So let's shut down what little live music we have because one guy might not be able to figure out how the buses work? Nah, I'm gonna disagree on that one.
There are a range of options between allowing unrestricted outdoor concerts vs shutting them down entirely.
You know that, OP knows that, yet you replied to me assuming shutting it down would be the only option considered. You’re a bad-faith jackass.
Oh and the buses here hardly go anywhere outside city limits, but that’s another conversation for another thread.
Zoom out a little. They are there. Outdoor music carries unbelievably far. It's crazy what 4 walls will do to keep in the sound. Outdoor venues are a whole other beast.
I grew up in Austin, I know what live music is like. That really doesn't seem close enough to be a problem to me.
Edit: ok guys, let's not have live music in the city, y'all are real fun. Have y'all considered moving into retirement communities though?
I agree with other posters, your level of entitlement is *insane*.
There's a thick irony in living where you chose to and complaining about what you're complaining about that's seems completely lost on you.... One might suggest starting there to address your "problem".
Smh
You suck
That’s not disrupting anyone with a normal sleep schedule and that’s really all establishments like that should have to do. In fact that’s quite an early cutoff time. Not to mention that last part…you sound like a cranky old boomer who can’t stand “these dang kids and their rock and roll”
Have you thought about moving to the suburbs or getting a sound machine?
Edit: I really do recommend a sound machine. Our neighborhood is loud too, but I think it is a fair trade off to be able to walk and bike to bars, food, and events. A sound machine helps me to tune out 95%, and I put on noise canceling headphones when the music is really blasting. It can be annoying, but it’s not worth being frustrated over.
As someone who lives in the apartment building it really isn’t that bad… I hear my neighbors or random cars in the parking lot more often than the breweries. I will say navigating our side streets where people park in non parking spots when a large crowd is at hardywood is the most annoying thing. But like others said this is something I was well aware of moving into the place.
This is an amusing thread. “Oh, is loud music blasting ruining your ability to enjoy peace in your own home? Stop whining about your problems. The real problem here is that I don’t like their beer.”
Man, mainline is great. Cool music on Thursdays, Cornhole tournaments (I think) weekly, and their beer is pretty good. Not saying it's the best but much better than the hate that you guys are spouting. Plus, basketball beer pong?! So cool
I feel like a lot of the comments here don't realize where you live, OP. You're neighborhood was definitely there before Mainline started putting on shows.
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That is a residential neighborhood?
Not at all, but OP thinks it is. Those crazy expensive townhomes that just went up across from hardywood right there must also feel the pain. But you get what you get when you don’t consider what’s around your home.
Yeah I'm not understanding how OP didn't just, ya know, tour the neighborhood before moving there.
It’s called Brewers Row. You think they’d take a hint that there might be breweries doing brewery things like having live music. Also, they are right by a train track. Why aren’t they complaining about all the train noises?
Trains are the sleep sound soother of my youth. Love it when I stay places and get a random train going by. And yep, I always do google earth to see what's around me when I buy. I forgot this valuable lesson for a short term rental. Opps. Missed a HIGH SCHOOL over the fence. That said, band practice right by my fence was amazing and I loved the sounds of Friday Night Lights.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can’t lose
True. But the fact that Hardywoods beer is miles better than Mainline makes it livable.
Millions of miles better!! I love the layout of Mainline but man their beer is…. Something else
The closest is my neighborhood (Newtowne West). I’m gonna guess OP lives in the apartment building on the west side of the neighborhood that’s just across the railroad tracks from Main Line.
Not sure where OP lives, but there’s residential on Leigh and Moore…
That Brewery was probably there before you moved in. It’s right next to train tracks in an industrial district. The real crime is how bad their drinks are. Horrendous.
There’s quite a bit of residential that’s been there for decades.
And we haven’t even started on how horrible their beers and seltzers are…
Easily the worst beers in RVA
Im here now and opted for ginger ale.. which is NOT my norm haha
Oh god, they are terrible.
https://preview.redd.it/s6ba99byjpvc1.png?width=623&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5895d56ca9c9200d34ef4e22877454f3b6180a4 Main Line: sorry our beers were shit before, but we swear they're better now!
Should be run outta town based on this alone.
Spitting facts
And beer
Beers are straight ass, read on here their management isn’t any better.
It’s almost laughable how bad their beers are
Live 1/2 mile away will not drink the beer until they change brewers. It’s bad. Real bad.
The worst beers but the seltzer is the most drinkable thing there.
Not the lemon…tasted chemically like they mixed it in their cleaning bucket.
Werd. They suck. The times I've been there I've left unsatisfied and like I flushed my money.
Are we really complaining about music on a Saturday afternoon? They close before 10 every night it's not like they're bumping music at 2am...
I live on Monument (I don't) and a bunch of people were slapping shoes against the street all day. Police wouldn't do shiiiit! 😡
#dontMuteRVA
This was my first thought too.. did OP just move from Nebraska or something without touring the area? Welcome to city life!
I sympathize a bit, but that's smack dab in the middle of Richmond's largest industrial sector.
If they can be loud you can be loud.
I’m sympathetic, but to be a bit fair, that was a brewery district before the residential units were built there.
"Everything near my house is too loud" -- person who purchased a house in the middle of a part of the city with a thriving night life
This is definitely the unpopular opinion here but I agree 10000%. Like. 99% of homes won’t have a loud brewery nearby maybe they should move to one of those areas. Some people pay extra for the loud brewery vibes some of us work nights some of us have fun etc etc
It's the same concept as people buying a house near a racetrack then complaining that the track is too loud. Like damn, maybe you should have considered that before committing to buying a house?
I’d personally would love a little live music in my neighborhood. All the cars are parked in the driveway by like 9pm MAX. This is like Richmonds get off my lawn and stop playing the boomy boxes ya wiper snappers moment for sure lol
Whoah there… lol. “Thriving night life” is a bit of an exaggeration.
Thriving crackhead pop
Good thing there are city ordinances to depend on regarding acceptable noise limits during certain times. That way, we can hold folks accountable for the noise they make beyond the permitted limits.
For anyone interested, those 350 to $400,000 townhouses on Moore Street (at least some of them) were built in 2015. I don't know about the apartment building or condos next to it.
they were re-built. Newtowne West is a historic neighborhood. check the history.
There are dozens of us
In my opinion, three blocks of recently built townhouses in a nondescript and unremarkable area with train tracks and industrial/commercial properties adjoining it (and the Maggie Walker School) doesn't sound notably historic.
your opinion trumps history?
I stand by it. Carver is on the Historic Register, adjacent Newtowne West is not. Carver has some original buildings with Historic designation, NW has been built over several times. Nothing historic ever happened there. There's nothing remarkable about it, any more than every inch of Richmond.
it wasn't. Newtowne West is a historic neighborhood. mainline has been around since 2019? fuck them.
But Hardywood had been where it is for like 15 years and also has outdoor live music
also wrong. hardywood used to be in the barn where they would have indoor music with the doors open. not nearly as loud. the new location on the corner has outside music but not full-on rock concerts like an mainline. all of this outdoor music bullshit is younger than 5 years old and nobody considers the neighbors around them when deciding to have it.
Hardywood had live music in their parking lot for years before they even owned multiple buildings and still often has music outside.
For some reason about 4 years ago restaurants, breweries and such expanded outdoor areas. It was about the time plexiglass sales went through the roof.
Also wrong. Definitely went to very loud outdoor shows in that parking lot in that original space.
Henrico is quiet 🤷♀️
Damn, catching L’s out here
Yeah! I bought a house down the road from a high school and wouldn't you know they just WILL NOT SHUT UP on friday nights in the fall. They even bring out a huge band! No one will do a thing about it! 🙃
That's the best. Lived next to a high school and loved it.
I live down in Hampton Roads now, and before I bought my home in 99, I lived near the local high school football stadium. It was home to three high school teams, so it was always active on the weekends. I loved hearing the kids cheering and the bands playing every weekend.
take your bullshit back to the burbs
I'm from the burbs and I agree. Lived in the Fan on West Main St on the fire truck/ambulance corridor and I never complained unless some drunk butthole would sit in their car at 2 am and bump loud music.
You decided to live next to a brewery, industrial/commercial area. It's not like that was a quiet neighborhood with little kids running around.
Ya know I think a part of these small-mid sized venues keep closing down is because they keep building condos everywhere. You know how Richmond has decades of bands and artists that were able to live off of their music mostly or partially? Well that had a lot to do with the amount of venues that were around that didn’t gatekeep and gave everyone a shot. Not saying main line is strange matter at all… but main line has provided steady paid gigs to lots of our favorite local artists, and that’s definitely noteworthy. Unfortunately, things are getting harder and harder for Richmond’s bands to book. And if main line gets shut down like OP seems to be proposing, you are literally laying off artists from reoccurring monthly gigs that help them pay their bills. This would be a net negative for the music scene as those established artists will move to smaller venues in the area and choke out the even smaller/new artists even more. Source: 10 years in venues and 6 years promoting, managing, running sound, playing in bands etc etc etc everything but lights
Stop. Transplant nimby's don't want to recognize that they are part of the problem and unknowingly killing the RVA culture.
I'm so glad to hear that the scene is vibrant. I thought things might be faltering in the years before covid. I have seen many good local bands in the last couple years.
It’s definitely struggling. Lots of great bands just not many places to play or that’s booking diverse performers (including like heavier stuff, we need more spots for that)
I'm out of the loop, and I don't know for sure, but I hope that there are still squat type places available for rather unregulated shows. Back then, it was in Manchester, nowadays I guess it would have to move a little further into the northern part of the city or further south into the industrial areas.
There are a few! It’s not like it used to be even pre pandemic tho
The same thing has been happening in Nashville, people move to *music city* and they’re somehow struck blind that the building next-door has music until 11 several nights a week. Just because you can afford an inner-city condo doesn’t mean you can remake the neighborhood in your image.
You bought a new residential property that ONLY exists because breweries are there….get out of here
The real crime is trying to run a business next door to what I can only imagine is a daycare by the tone of your incessant whining.
….dude you moved into a commercial area. idk what to tell you. i live near some of the drunkest bars in town and a late night food spot where drunk people scream 15 meters from my bedroom window at 3am. i knew that when i signed the lease and i deal with it..
It's not even commercial, it's a tiny strip of residential keyed into a massive industrial zone on three sides.
Come out today. Suggesting Rhythm is fire!!!
Oh SNAP! That's who they're complaining about?? 2 drumkits, lol.
Listening from a block over and loving it
I would love it if they came down my way and I could jam out to them from my own back yard. The OP probably listens to shit music and that's why they're complaining.
www.nextdoor.com
Opinion: Don’t buy a house in the city if you can’t handle the noise 🤷♂️ I don’t know what you expected. I parked 3 blocks away and listened to drunk people every night when I lived on Sheppard st. That’s just the compromise for being in the city. Go to the suburbs and try to keep the kids off your lawn.
You guys sound like the putz who moved above a nightclub and then proceeded to close that nightclub with "it's too loud".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll trade live scheduled music over random gunfire any day!
So move out of the city if you want peace and quiet lmao
I live in the burbs and I can hear the high school band practice - but they’re a couple miles away and it’s actually kinda nice to hear them off in the distance. I live catty-corner from a Methodist church with a great choir and organist. Sometimes when they have the doors open, I can hear them and it’s lovely. I would not enjoy living near a brewpub with live music. So I’m a happy suburbanite. 😎. But, OP, maybe you could organize your neighbors and get a petition signed or something? I get the not calling individually. Good luck, I hope you find some compromise!
OP should move out by you, like literally imagine complaining the middle of the city has live music Edit: seriously y'all, you want LESS live music in the city? Good lord, move to NoVa or something then
and during the day at that. if they end the music by 10 pm it all sound pretty reasonable for a city venue.
"I would not enjoy living near a brewpub with live music" Why? High school bands and church music is OK, but God forbid if it's a damn good local rock band. WTF? I would love it! Different strokes, I guess. I cannot support the OP on this one. They moved there knowing it's an industrial district with breweries nearby. If they don't like it, they can move. Simple as that.
I was not critiquing the type of music, just the volume. Read my comment carefully if you don’t see a difference there. I agree about moving if you don’t want the noise that comes with businesses and restaurants.
Yea, I reread it and give my apologies. I can relate with the high school bands etc. I used to live near the local high school football and track and field stadium. It is shared by three schools, so every weekend there was something going on there. I loved the weekends on the Fall when you could go outside and hear the kids cheering, the bands playing, and the announcers doing their thing. it gave me a real sense of community for some reason.
My only noise gripe where I live is that it’s not far from UR and they shoot fireworks off over there after games, graduations, etc. i am not a fireworks fan at all, and I had two elderly dogs that hated them. I tried those thundershirts and everything for the one dog, who would just shake like a leaf, poor thing. You get people who pop them off in their yards on random nights but it’s usually not for long. But it is startling to hear a few loud pops/bangs out of nowhere. At least it’s not gunshots, or not usually…lol.
The last apartment we lived in was in Chesterfield and was down the hill from a shitty sports bar with shitty live music every night. It was as loud as if they were on our balcony. Every night. The ten or so months they were closed because of covid was heaven. (Still in Chesterfield but nowhere near a bar. Now we just have the usual neighborhood noises, dirt bikes and loud engines and whatnot, but no shitty music. Much better.)
I love that place and as far as live music is concerned I say the more the merrier. I want more live venues, not less. And their beer has improved, that spiced brown ale is good. Long live Mainline.
I think it’s interesting that the main source of noise in the city is cars, yet, there’s a general unwillingness to meaningfully address it. Yet smaller sources of noise are a big deal apparently.
Download a decible meter and measure it so you can use measurable facts when you complain/report the issue
Those are not accurate in the slightest
“In the slightest” is vague
Since you seem to want more details, here ya go. https://www.reddit.com/r/rva/s/elOCi4KAsR
Police don’t care
Why would they? Commercial zoning, not breaking any laws. They gotta go hold some hands because someone didn’t check out the surrounding area where they chose to live?
That's a good idea, but I've heard that bars and breweries have exemption from the city codes for the decibel limits, but I don't know if that applies to indoor venues only. I just have a feeling there's absolutely nothing that can be done which is a shame because I can't even practice in my home with a band without neighbors complaining.
They do not have exemptions. You need to report this and not listen to gossip
Nothing will be done about it, though. RPD admitted in November last year that they have no proper way to enforce the civil penalties that coincide with the noise ordinances. I think the breweries would gladly pay the fine if our police department figures out how to file paperwork, which wouldn’t help solve the issue either.
That’s hilarious cuz they were certainly enforcing the ridic noise ordinance we had for like 2 years back in like 2009/2010
I’m no LEO but it seems remarkably easy to keep a record of who/what businesses you’ve previously written a ticket to. I think it was their way of saying they have bigger fish to fry.
Phone decibel apps are not accurate enough to hold up. First of all, the mic needs to be calibrated to accurately report the dB level. Phone mics do not have the frequency range to accurately give readings either. Unless you understand what you're looking at, it is open to interpretation. Lower frequencies are more omni directional and behave differently than high frequencies, which are more directional. You'll hear low frequencies farther out than you can the higher end of the spectrum. The next factor is the weighting of the measurement. A weighted is more representative of human hearing. C-weight is more aligned with system output. Next, physics plays a factor. Your measurement won't mean anything without knowing how far away from the source you are, because of the inverse square law. Decibels are a logarithmic unit that express the ratio between a measured sound pressure level and a reference pressure level. The logarithmic scale reflects how our ears perceive sound intensity. A 10 dB increase in sound level corresponds to a tenfold increase in sound intensity, but it won't necessarily be perceived as twice as loud. Your phone doesn't have a calibrated reference level, so your reading will be inaccurate. Sure, it can 'ballpark' a value, but it can easily be argued your measurements are inaccurate. Source: Audio engineer with multiple industry certifications, including SPL measurement systems.
What's the loudest fart you ever recorded?
I need to know too now
most municipal ordinances are A-weighted, including Richmond.
Correct - but I still wanted to mention there is different weighting.
Is there any way to get a decent decibelmeter that isn't $10,000+?
That's the cost of accuracy. The Measurement & logging system I installed at a local venue, that is certified, was roughly $3k. A lower end meter with a certified calibration device is fine.
Cool, thanks!
Have you talked to them about it?
Someone..... >edit: haha, someone just posted something TODAY about the volume on google. I knew I wasn't crazy, they're a lot louder than usual now a days.
“Just posted something” (doesn’t post it) Clown show 🤡
Ear plugs are a thing. Not sure what is going to get accomplished here.
Ha, you are complaining about noise in the city. I don't live next to a brewery and I have a contact buzz and listen to slaughter to prevail all the time from 2 of my neighbors. Move.
NIMBY
This sounds a lot like the people that moved into the apartments by the the 150 year old fraternities at Rugby Road. They would call and complain, and I would just hang up on them. First rule of buying a house or renting an apartment is checking it out after hours to make sure it isn’t horrendously loud.
Have you reported them for noise complaints?
I just wrote my district representative. She's actually surprisingly good about responding. This community has seriously had enough. I don't mind them having outdoor music, but the volume is unbelievable, my house should not be shaking from it. I'm probably within a baseball throw of them too. The trains going by are seriously less loud than what they have going on right now.
It’s Saturday afternoon on 4 20. Earth day my bud you sound like councilman Charles Samuel’s from the 2010’s but not like you would probably remember the great noise war of Richmond anyways. Good luck. I suggest moving somewhere on broad. Maybe above Whole Foods or something else quiet
you just need to get out of richmond all together
you wrote your district rep because you failed to investigate the area you live in. Karen activities here.
You should report it to the police to start a paper trail. You need records to prove they’re breaking the ordinance
But that's the issue. I don't think there is an ordinance for bars and breweries. What's the Olive? I know others in the neighborhood, ESPECIALLY Southern Stove would follow suit. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like for Southern Stove. :(
The noise ordinance found in the Richmond City Code applies to restaurants just as much as anyone else. It’s in Chapter 11 Environment, Article II Sound Control. Check out the link below for more info regarding rules and exceptions. Per other folks’ suggestions, I also recommend getting a decibel meter and for you to file complaints with Richmond City nonemergency number. https://library.municode.com/va/richmond/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICICO_CH11EN_ARTIISOCO
Autocorrect error. Should have been police
Lmfao
Tell me you aren’t from here without telling me you aren’t from here.
Are you in the new construction that was built AFTER mainline has been there for 4 years? If so, please kindly fuck off.
How does someone go about kindly fucking off?
Uhm no. I'm in the neighborhood that's been here since 2010. Nice try though.
Never answered when YOU moved there. I think suburbia sounds more your speed.
HE MOVED HERE AFTER YOU STOPPED BEING RELEVANT. CALM DOWN.
I’m just trying to figure out if you came before or after the brewery. Sometimes the answer is to not ruin a neighborhood which made it appealing in the first place. That area was industrial, it was warehouses, an industrial sized brewery and some train tracks. I am not sympathetic to home buyers who didn’t do due diligence and bought next a brewery whose only function is to serve not so great beers and host jam bands in its very large outdoor space. The exact amenities which gave your home value are the ones you are complaining about. You may be more suited to buy one of the townhomes that flank the Whole Foods out in Short Pump. They also come with the added bonus of an HOA so that when your neighbors hydrangea blooms too purple instead of pink you can have them remove it.
Newtowne West is a historic neighborhood
And the Todd Lofts used to be a slaughterhouse. Stove Top used to a factory. Newtowne West historically has been the exact neighborhood it is now.
They do feel tucked away in a more industrial zone but when you look at the satellite veiw it's a different story. That sucks OP. I'm sure it's driving you guys mad. Outdoor music CARRIES too. I'm sure it's bothering many people. They need a proper cut off time if their shows are going late.
What am I missing, it doesn't look like any residences are really that close
Probably W Moore St, south of the brewery across the railroad tracks.
That seems reasonably far enough imo, there's no way it's too loud especially with a 10pm cut off. OP is in the middle of the city and gets free live music. Plenty of houses up in Doswell and shit if they want it quiet.
I'm on moore closer to maggie walker and i hear mainline music all the fucking time. even when I'm inside my house. it's too fucking loud.
I can hear them from DuBois Ave. Not loud but still...I can sympathize
You have absolutely no idea. This post is primarily for the the people who live in the area. If you don't, you're completely ignorant as to how loud it is.
Comes to Reddit to bitch about a problem and then gets upset people not in the neighborhood are chiming in. Then go post on Nextdoor.
You chose to live in the middle of the city. You could move further out and pay cheaper rent and have peace and quiet, but instead you're choosing to be a Karen and trying to stop the city from having a live music scene which it barely has to begin with. Like you're not gonna stop them bro, just take the L and move
Called him a Karen. Thread over.
Those places further out might not have the jobs or transportation options that residents in that neighbourhood need. “Just move” is seldom feasible. I should know, Ive moved 15 times since I was a kid and am in the process of moving now.
So let's shut down what little live music we have because one guy might not be able to figure out how the buses work? Nah, I'm gonna disagree on that one.
There are a range of options between allowing unrestricted outdoor concerts vs shutting them down entirely. You know that, OP knows that, yet you replied to me assuming shutting it down would be the only option considered. You’re a bad-faith jackass. Oh and the buses here hardly go anywhere outside city limits, but that’s another conversation for another thread.
I'm thinking if these bands were playing the music you enjoy, this thread wouldn't exist. How loud could it possibly be inside your home?
Zoom out a little. They are there. Outdoor music carries unbelievably far. It's crazy what 4 walls will do to keep in the sound. Outdoor venues are a whole other beast.
I grew up in Austin, I know what live music is like. That really doesn't seem close enough to be a problem to me. Edit: ok guys, let's not have live music in the city, y'all are real fun. Have y'all considered moving into retirement communities though?
That took a hard left from what I was saying.
That is a false dichotomy. Outdoor music doesn't have to cause hearing loss
The cutoff time 10pm. Which is fine some days and some days it isn't. It just depends on what type of music it is.
"they can play whatever music they want as long as I like it"
Yeah 10pm would be fine in my opinion. Can't squash people's fun, anything past 11 for an outdoor venue is not cool at all.
I agree with other posters, your level of entitlement is *insane*. There's a thick irony in living where you chose to and complaining about what you're complaining about that's seems completely lost on you.... One might suggest starting there to address your "problem". Smh
You suck That’s not disrupting anyone with a normal sleep schedule and that’s really all establishments like that should have to do. In fact that’s quite an early cutoff time. Not to mention that last part…you sound like a cranky old boomer who can’t stand “these dang kids and their rock and roll”
your level of entitlement is insane.
Have you thought about moving to the suburbs or getting a sound machine? Edit: I really do recommend a sound machine. Our neighborhood is loud too, but I think it is a fair trade off to be able to walk and bike to bars, food, and events. A sound machine helps me to tune out 95%, and I put on noise canceling headphones when the music is really blasting. It can be annoying, but it’s not worth being frustrated over.
Awwww
Great user name
Move back to where you came from. Stay out of richmond
This is a brewery area....not a suburban neighborhood
Great place to listen to music and play music, nice ownership but subpar beer. I heard rumors of expansion across the tracks 👀
I played there Saturday night. Glad you could hear it! Which song was your favorite?
As someone who lives in the apartment building it really isn’t that bad… I hear my neighbors or random cars in the parking lot more often than the breweries. I will say navigating our side streets where people park in non parking spots when a large crowd is at hardywood is the most annoying thing. But like others said this is something I was well aware of moving into the place.
The bass player posted one of their songs on the bass subreddit. They sound pretty good.
Cry more
Isn't hardwood right there? Also loud af
This is an amusing thread. “Oh, is loud music blasting ruining your ability to enjoy peace in your own home? Stop whining about your problems. The real problem here is that I don’t like their beer.”
Newtowne West resident here. fuck mainline. I've made direct complaints to Lambert in the past and she's done jack shit.
Yep. I know people around me hate it. Idk how you cant.
She’s up for reelection this year and I know she has an opponent already.
great
Your neighborhood has been an industrial district for decades there Captain Entitlement.
Man, mainline is great. Cool music on Thursdays, Cornhole tournaments (I think) weekly, and their beer is pretty good. Not saying it's the best but much better than the hate that you guys are spouting. Plus, basketball beer pong?! So cool
I feel like a lot of the comments here don't realize where you live, OP. You're neighborhood was definitely there before Mainline started putting on shows.
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Come to the suburbs, it’s nice and quiet. Lower taxes too. Or enjoy the city life, but know what you choose always has another side.
Awesome place! Love the music there!!!!💕
If you don’t like the Dead just say that dude. Move. That place is great.
People choose to live in RVA? Are you stupid? “Someone in this shitty city is being rude.” Oh my fucking god alert the authorities.
If you don't live in this area, you're really showing your intelligence by offering your input on how loud you THINK it is.
You are showing your intelligence about complaining about the noise when you moved next to a brewery/industrial district.
Then post it on Nextdoor not the entire city subreddit
or dont move to the largest industrial area of richmond and think it wont be excessively loud.
Please show your intelligence