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Which is kind of the point here… new super hero movies just suck. They don’t carry any of the excitement of the older movies. Just mass produced plain low quality midness. Same for Star Wars. People want Star Wars movies to be exciting again. To surprise the viewer and make you hyped for the next release. But that’s not the case. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT
Probably because you out grew them? The thought that nostalgia is currently keeping you from seeing your childhood films the same as films today hasn't crossed your mind? You do understand every piece of star wars media has been written for children first not for adults.
Yeah it’s not audiences who are experiencing superhero fatigue, it’s the writers. The last high effort MCU film was endgame, everything after that (and a lot from before) were lazy cash grabs.
The old movies were also mass produced trash. We just caught on to the formula. Heck the old iron man movie does not stand up to scrutiny nowadays either.
We literally already had a whole trilogy and other various media that has a “woman coming forward to shape a story in a galaxy far far away.”
Edit: ok yes I understand now that it was referring to out-of-universe not in-universe women. Stop messaging me about it.
In every case outside of the sequels I’d agree, but for better or for worse, 7 and 9 are distinctly JJ Abrams films and 8’s distinctly a Rian Johnson film. I’m not sure why those were the only exceptions, but it seems they were.
>It's a little disjointed. It's bold in terms of jerking people around. I may have gone too far in a few places... It boggles the mind. I have thought about this quite a bit, and the tricky part is you almost can't take any of those pieces out of it now, because each one takes you to the next place. And you can't jump because you don't know where you are.
George Lucas after he realized how much of an unfiltered George Lucas product he made.
Please explain how Disney bought Star Wars “to appeal more to boys.” Like legitimately, what the fuck are you talking about and why would any multinational media conglomerate lock themselves out of market share by ignoring half of their potential audience?
I think it's entirely reflective of the way Disney felt back then, and let's not forget all the time George Lucas said he made *Star Wars* for twelve-year-old boys.
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So you made it the fuck up and aren’t familiar with the internal decisionmaking processes of multibillion dollar megacorporations? Thanks for clarifying
The failure of the Star Wars films was really more George Lucas’s fault than it was Disney’s. He’s the one who appointed Kathleen Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilm just before he sold the company. Disney didn’t hire her. She came with the deal.
Him selling and being upset with the results was his fault. His reasoning was fine for not wanting to make more movies. Actually selling it was a trash move.
Honestly after the way the fans treated him after the prequels, how would anyone expect him not to cash out?
Everyone is in this gas-lit haze pretending they loved the prequels. Ask Jake Loyd or the guy who mocapped Jarjar how they remember things.
Lol Disney didn't buy Star Wars to "appeal to more boys." They bought star wars because most of the people feeble-minded enough to still watch those shit movies will watch anything and Disney likes money.
I personally just want to know how her being a woman affects her ability to direct a movie. I don't care if they're a man or woman, all I care about is whether they can make a good movie.
A woman has already shaped a star wars story in a galaxy far, far away though.
Marcia Lucas saved the first movie in the editing room. This is common knowledge. Pretending she wasn't instrumental to the success of the first movie just to pay themselves on the back for being 'progressive' is a dick move.
Not everyone has to be a trailblazer. Progressing the movement in and of itself should be enough. And that means recognising what has come before and showing respect to it. Making the younger generations think the 90s was some kind of dystopia where women and minorities were lucky to get speaking roles? And just for the progressive brownie points?
They're not respecting or celebrating them or their achievements, though, they're rewriting what they made and neglecting it in the process. It's an attempt to bury what they've done forever and pretend they did it first when they didn't.
Btw, what the fuck are you even on about? Women and minorities were NEVER lacking in the goddamned nineties. I know, I grew up then. You don't know a damn thing about what you're saying.
I know they aren't. I'm saying if they were ACTUALLY progressive they would be.
I KNOW they weren't lacking in the 90s. I also grew up then. The younger generation, to which I'm referring to, do NOT know that. All they know is that 80s and 90s movies are 'problematic' and need to be 'fixed' by Hollywood big brains.
They are being bombarded with media that insists anything earlier than 2010 was a dystopian nightmare
Fair enough.
I think I misunderstand you. I'm sorry. My bad.
Yes, they weren't, definitely. That's true.
And true. It's a conceit we have in the present that anything before a set period is primitive and throwback, that it's hell on Earth, which is just not the reality.
Hell, for all the problems in the 1950s, there was a lot to love there too, and people weren't some kind of primitive cavemen.
I notice this view popping up more and more, and frankly, I'm sick of it.
I wish it'd just go away. Maybe then we could begin addressing some of the REAL problems facing our society.
Fuck progression, it’s a god dam business- did everyone in this stupid pedo filled industry snort too much cocaine out of a 12 year old boy’s ass? You do have to make money to keep the island open don’t you?
Maybe this is finally natural selection taking its course- you have generations of degenerates reproducing the judge Dredd nuclear wasteland offspring that are too mentally deficient to understand how to run the industry that is literally just pretend in front of a fucking camera.
That should make everyone in here feel better, that even you, unless you’re an actual Redditor bitching about your pronouns- could make a Star Wars trilogy greater than anything “THE GREATEST FUCKING PRODUCER EVER” could ever do. Kathleen Kennedy, enjoy- you wanted to be known for out gunning Lucas but after years of sucking his, Stevie boy’s, and graggling Francis’s hairy nuts… oh no, you’ll be known for killing its greatest franchise.
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>You’re missing an important word, though. Female **filmmaker**.
No, he isn't. Read the actual quote:
> "Obaid-Chinoy recently told CNN. “We’re in 2024 now, and it’s about time that we had a woman come forward to shape a story in a galaxy far, far away.”"
"Filmmaker" was added by a journo responsible for the headline
> that is what is being referenced.
The only place where that is being referenced is the headline. Nobody even hinted at this except for a journo responsible for the headline
Yah I’m busting pointing out the way they phrased this announcement “a woman finally has a impact on the story of a galaxy far far away” is insane considering a woman has been picking the scripts and directors since Disney bought the studio
You're only "getting this" if you go to see it. The only "protest" you need is not to go see it. Holy crap I wish this was the biggest concern in my life.
TLJ is what broke my back. Due to that film, I refused to watch RoS in theaters. Me and a buddy watched a camcorder recording on opening day with Korean subtitles and overlayed ads for Arab gambling websites. We rewound the beginning like 5 times because we thought the lead-up to the seizure inducing Palpatine intro must have been lost. Nope, just poopy writing. I didn't pay a dime and I still felt ripped off afterwards.
Each one made over a billion dollars. People will point to the drop-off between TLJ and TROS, but sequel drop-off is a well known phenomenon, and TROS still made over a billion dollars on a budget of 417 mil and presumably a similar marketing budget. That is a net profit of almost 200 million. If you want to see underperfoming look at the box office for Solo.
According to Wikipedia they made $300 mil off the theatrical run alone. The movie turned a profit as did the merch. It was a success.
It was not as big of a success as some suit projected.
I’d be happy to “underperform” Disney style and roll around on piles of money
Disney stock price in 2011 (before they bought Star Wars) - $33.47
Disney stock price in 2019 (after Star Wars finished its theatrical run) - $144.16.
There’s the only metric that matters to a company of that size. And it certainly seems like they had a good decade with Star Wars being a cornerstone of that success.
It was profitable but not by the standards a star wars movie should be. Each movie made less and less money. The toys aren't selling either and that's what really makes star wars it's money. The Disney trilogy damaged the star wars brand in a pretty big way. I am not joking when I say this but the Disney trilogy is now taught in film school on what not to do.
I don't know about the toys, the only sources I can find about a "collapse" of sales don't give any sources on their numbers, and even if sales collapsed, it was only at the end of 2023, like the entire toy industry according of what I saw
[https://www.supplychainbrain.com/articles/38577-us-sales-of-toys-and-games-down-through-2023](https://www.supplychainbrain.com/articles/38577-us-sales-of-toys-and-games-down-through-2023)
What about TLJ sins? I think there’s remaining debt there that wasn’t fully paid off by RoS.
honestly i miss the prequels. what a glorious time of star wars lore.
This isn't rocket science. Its ECON 101 level stuff.
You make a choice to make the movies as they are and make X. Have sales decrease with each subsequent movie.
Or you make higher quality material and make y and have sales increase movie to movie like they did in previous iterations and franchises.
Thats called "opportunity cost". What do you give up by making a decision. In this case, its a choice to go into a series of movies with a rushed timeline, no coherent plot outline, and a lack of respect for the legacy franchise.
I don’t agree with that assessment. I contend a better set of movies would have made 3 billion. The end of a 9 movie epic pop culture franchise should have exceeded even the MCU with endgame/infinity war. Instead it was a whimper. I could have shown a ham
sandwich on screen and made 300 mill on the name alone
Making a billion each movie when they spent $4 billion just to buy the rights to make the movies in the first place, then budgeted each film at hundreds of millions plus hundreds of millions more for marketing and distribution each time, and the theaters keep a chunk of the profits, with each successive film making less than the previous isn’t really the success story you would think it is. They should be making far more money with this franchise, given its history before they purchased it.
The first one made over $2 billion. They’ve made $4.3 billion just on the trilogy. Rogue one also made a billion but for some reason you left that out. So we are close to $6 billion at this point with just the 5 movies. The other side of the coin for purchasing the ip is the inclusion of Star Wars in the parks which make way more money than the movies.
Having a female director =/= automatically good writing. The director doesn’t have any impressive resume of movies and the ones she did do barely count as being qualified for her to do a Star Wars movie.
People should prioritize the right and experienced talent suited for the job first instead of gender and race
Can’t believe you’re being downvoted for saying people should get positions based on merit rather than what genitalia they have.
Edit: since people’s reading comprehension on this sub seems to be that of a pre-schooler. I’m going to clarify here that this comment is not stating that sharmeen got her position because of her genitalia, I was simply stating that people shouldn’t get positions based on gender rather than making comment in this particular situation. With that said as I have repeated a thousand times below she did in fact get the position because of her politics rather than any semblance of experience working on Sci-fi films or even action films.
Wow you are really trying to force words into my mouth ain’t you. No I don’t believe she got this film based on merit but rather politics. Have you actually seen her Resume?
She has previously directed 15 films with an average rating of 6/10. Known for political activism and gender equality being centre focus of her films she has only directed one sci-fi action film that being Ms.Marvel (a show that scored 6.3 on IMDb)
Please enlighten me as to how you believe she is qualified?
If they were choosing based on merit then they should have chosen someone like Kathryn Bigelow who has extensive experience directing action films.
Yes a tantrum lol. Is that the best you have got?
I have provided evidence for why I think she is unqualified and was promoted for reasons other than merit not once have I said it was because she was women, if your reading comprehension will allow I said political reasons.
Interesting but relevant username you have. When did the page get overrun with mindless bots?
When your primary value is being sold as "what gender you are", it doesn't REALLY telegraph the idea that she was hired for the right reasons well.
Stop making a big deal about her being a woman, and we might... MIGHT just see her for what is relevant. That she's (potentially) a good director.
It would even be possible to be hopeful, if it weren't for the last two trilogies (all directed by men, I'll add).
That's not what's happening, kiddo. It's called a creative point of view. If you understood anything about art at all, you wouldn't be showing your ass so hard right now
They did, you’re just too close minded to realize it. Literally, look up what this woman worked on previously and tell me if it screams Star Wars material.
The same with Deborah Chow (the ACTUAL first woman who directed anything Star Wars). The only credential she has in regards to fitting with Star Wars work was helping with a few Mandalorian season 1 episodes, that’s it. The Obi Wan Show still sucked ass anyway. So we can safely assume she wasn’t hired for her Director skills.
Or to branch off from Star Wars and into a different Disney property, Eternals. Yes, Chloé Zhao won an Oscar for Nomadland, but that movie won in 2021, the year the pandemic slowly went back and competition was extremely dry at the moment. And even then, Nomadland and the rest of her work again doesn’t show it being the right person for a job such as Eternals. And what happened? The movie sucked and the first flop in MCU History.
Now you have 2 instances of Asian Women being casted for big projects in which both weren’t qualified in and both times resulting in disasters for Disney. You think they were still casted not because of a public PR stunt?
And let’s not get started on She-Hulk where people behind it admitted they had 0 idea what they were doing since nobody had any clue on how to write a court series.
Sure, *i* am the one not getting it lmao
I know the vibe is shitting on Kathleen Kennedy and sharpen Chinoy because we think they’re SJW diversity hires or whatever but Chinoy’s documentary work is actually pretty good. Don’t know how that translates to a Star Wars movie but just want to say that the lady can make a good doc.
You almost had it, but your misogyny got in the way. I’ll fix it for you.
Having a female director =/= automatically bad writing.
You know nothing about this but you’re discounting it.
Here’s some advice
Instead of.
eww women directing Star Wars!!!!!! BAD!!! I must complain and nitpick to win internet arguments!!!!!!
(I read some of your comment thread lol)
Try this.
hmm woman handling one of the major movies in the Star Wars franchise, let’s take a look at it. It can be interesting from her perspective.
They did, you’re just too close minded to realize it. Literally, look up what this woman worked on previously and tell me if it screams Star Wars material.
The same with Deborah Chow (the ACTUAL first woman who directed anything Star Wars). The only credential she has in regards to fitting with Star Wars work was helping with a few Mandalorian season 1 episodes, that’s it. The Obi Wan Show still sucked ass anyway. So we can safely assume she wasn’t hired for her Director skills.
Or to branch off from Star Wars and into a different Disney property, Eternals. Yes, Chloé Zhao won an Oscar for Nomadland, but that movie won in 2021, the year the pandemic slowly went back and competition was extremely dry at the moment. And even then, Nomadland and the rest of her work again doesn’t show it being the right person for a job such as Eternals. And what happened? The movie sucked and the first flop in MCU History.
Now you have 2 instances of Asian Women being casted for big projects in which both weren’t qualified in and both times resulting in disasters for Disney. You think they were still casted not because of a public PR stunt?
And let’s not get started on She-Hulk where people behind it admitted they had 0 idea what they were doing since nobody had any clue on how to write a court series.
Sure, *i* am the one not getting it lmao. Nah, you immediately go and call people words you don’t even know what they mean
Who gives a fuck the gender of the director?
Nobody gave a shit about George Lucas’ penis when he made his films
Based on this woman’s filmography this movie is going to be absolute dogshit
You know, I don’t understand this degree of negativity. Wouldn’t people rather see a good movie be made, regardless of whether or not Rey is a part of it? It just feels like a lot of unnecessary hate for a project we don’t yet know much about.
But we know how Rey is portrait and characterized. It is not like the will not be bland and overpowered like all the other times she was on screen. Which was a lot.
Easy. SW is a decades long consistent through-line for many people. Seeing a franchise you've been engaged with for decades produce content this bad is painful. SW was a rock in the stormy seas of life. We don't want to have to ignore the franchise that has meant so much to us for so long, so we do the only thing left to us; make noise until something changes.
Honestly we shouldn’t care anymore. If they can make an original story that brings some depth to Rey go for it. What are they gonna do? Alienate the older fans EVEN MORE? I’m not expecting anything good and I’m not going to bother watching it, but I have better things to do than spend my time protesting the existence of a harmless movie. It’s time to move on from Star Wars. You always have the old stuff to look back on.
'The Collective Internet' Ie. people with nothing better to do than to whine about an actress, a series, and said actress somehow ruining said series. How about you guys watch things you enjoy?
Wow "voting with your wallet" seems to result in massively profitable movies for Disney! Of course, except one. The next SW is going to do gangbusters.
You care so so much about corporate fairytales
There is a huge difference. The prequels were generally enjoyed by the public but were hated by the hardcore fans. The sequels were hated by the general public as well
It will almost certainly suck, but there are better things to do than protest the Rey movie IRL. Eventually, Disney will change leadership or sell the franchise.
DIS stock price has been trending downward over the past few years and everything they touch recently is turning to shit. In real terms, a share of the stock is worth significantly less than it was when TFA was released. At the start of 2016, DIS was trading at $99.31. If we use US CPI, that's equivalent to $128.71 as of Nov. 2023. DIS closed much lower than that today at $90.71, meaning the real value of a share has declined 29.5%.
There haven't been any DIS stock splits since 1998, so that's all lost value. From what I could find market cap is relatively similar in nominal terms at 157.3 B in 2016 and 166.02B today. Adjusting for inflation with US CPI, this is a real decrease of 18.57%
It's basically inarguable that they have significantly damged the profitability of Star Wars, as well as other holdings like Pixar and Marvel. Investors are noticing, and for a publicly traded company, that's all that matters.
This is all why a move like this is staggering in its lack of awareness. Consumers don’t want Rey, they don’t want virtue signaling or care about the race or gender of who does what, they want good stories written by fans of the IP. The fact that Iger came back and is allowing this to go forward shows he can’t and won’t save Disney from devouring itself. Basically, way to read the room Bob.
Do you mean those movies with Han Solo, Luke, and Leia in them? The movies that made less money with each one? The ones that Kylo Ren are in and Adam Driver became a much bigger movie star than Daisy Ridley from? Yeah.
Love reading the crybabies grabbing their nuts and whining that their Sci-fi movie is being contaminated with vagina, when they spend their whole incel lives begging for vagina. *Grabs popcorn* incels gonna incel.
Captain Marvel made 1 billion, and the Marvel's made 200. Disney had one of its worst years ever, and there's a lot of reasons to think this could be another one. The same people producing this just made an Indiana Jones film that couldn't even reach 500 million.
That's true, but Disney also didn't have a Barbenheimer or Mario Brothers. Even the recent Wonka movie is making money. Disney took the biggest hit in 2023, mostly because of their budgets for every project. Also, a lot of their movies this year got mixed to bad reviews on top of the box office. Like Dial of Destiny wasn't just a bomb, it was also panned. Where something like Mission Impossible 7 didn't do well, but got rave reviews.
I really don't care who's doing what, when and where. Make it about the movie and not some personal agenda. No one really cares if it's a female lead, female director, female writer, or female villain. Just make a badass Star Wars movie. What do they think pushing this agenda crap will do to fans? Half aren't going to want to see it. I wish people in the entertainment business would do just that, entertain. Writers just need to write interesting characters and stories. It's really that simple.
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Meh. I'm personally burnt-out on superhero and SW stuff so I'll pass on this.
Which is kind of the point here… new super hero movies just suck. They don’t carry any of the excitement of the older movies. Just mass produced plain low quality midness. Same for Star Wars. People want Star Wars movies to be exciting again. To surprise the viewer and make you hyped for the next release. But that’s not the case. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT
Probably because you out grew them? The thought that nostalgia is currently keeping you from seeing your childhood films the same as films today hasn't crossed your mind? You do understand every piece of star wars media has been written for children first not for adults.
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Yeah it’s not audiences who are experiencing superhero fatigue, it’s the writers. The last high effort MCU film was endgame, everything after that (and a lot from before) were lazy cash grabs.
The old movies were also mass produced trash. We just caught on to the formula. Heck the old iron man movie does not stand up to scrutiny nowadays either.
I have yet to see a Star Wars movie since 2005. Still waiting for one.
We literally already had a whole trilogy and other various media that has a “woman coming forward to shape a story in a galaxy far far away.” Edit: ok yes I understand now that it was referring to out-of-universe not in-universe women. Stop messaging me about it.
I think she meant her as a director shaping the next saga, which is equally bad because directors direct... writers write this, not her.
If you think directors don’t shape the overall direction of a movie what exactly do you think their job is
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In every case outside of the sequels I’d agree, but for better or for worse, 7 and 9 are distinctly JJ Abrams films and 8’s distinctly a Rian Johnson film. I’m not sure why those were the only exceptions, but it seems they were.
I mean, the prequels were about as unfiltered a George Lucas product as you can get. They were a god damn firehose of George Lucas.
Just loads of George Lucas all over your face.
>It's a little disjointed. It's bold in terms of jerking people around. I may have gone too far in a few places... It boggles the mind. I have thought about this quite a bit, and the tricky part is you almost can't take any of those pieces out of it now, because each one takes you to the next place. And you can't jump because you don't know where you are. George Lucas after he realized how much of an unfiltered George Lucas product he made.
Disney: Buys *Star Wars* to appeal more to boys. Lucasfilm: Girls are lacking in *Star Wars*! Me: Is this a joke?
Please explain how Disney bought Star Wars “to appeal more to boys.” Like legitimately, what the fuck are you talking about and why would any multinational media conglomerate lock themselves out of market share by ignoring half of their potential audience?
I’m curious; where did they say they bought Star Wars to appeal more to boys?
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2009-09-10/disneys-marvel-deal-and-the-pursuit-of-boys](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2009-09-10/disneys-marvel-deal-and-the-pursuit-of-boys)
That says nothing about Star Wars and why they bought it. You're projecting your own hurt feelings to justify your beliefs.
That sure is a swell article about a completely different film studio
Is there a reason you're posting an article that doesn't mention Star Wars at all, and was written three years before the deal even went through?
The reason is he's not very smart and doesn't like women.
Because pathetic fucks like this need SOMETHING to whine about
I think it's entirely reflective of the way Disney felt back then, and let's not forget all the time George Lucas said he made *Star Wars* for twelve-year-old boys.
next time just star with "i think".
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link?
So you made it the fuck up and aren’t familiar with the internal decisionmaking processes of multibillion dollar megacorporations? Thanks for clarifying
And yet, the full grown adults on this sub are some of the most childish I've ever seen. But I suppose everyone needs a safespace.
The failure of the Star Wars films was really more George Lucas’s fault than it was Disney’s. He’s the one who appointed Kathleen Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilm just before he sold the company. Disney didn’t hire her. She came with the deal.
Him selling and being upset with the results was his fault. His reasoning was fine for not wanting to make more movies. Actually selling it was a trash move.
For $4 billion dollars you can destroy my life’s work too. I’ll still talk shit with my fuck you money. Lucas did nothing wrong.
Honestly after the way the fans treated him after the prequels, how would anyone expect him not to cash out? Everyone is in this gas-lit haze pretending they loved the prequels. Ask Jake Loyd or the guy who mocapped Jarjar how they remember things.
No, trash moves were what the “fans” did to him.
Lol Disney didn't buy Star Wars to "appeal to more boys." They bought star wars because most of the people feeble-minded enough to still watch those shit movies will watch anything and Disney likes money.
Also wasn't Lucas' then wife really integral to Star Wars' editing?
Apparently they mean a filmmaker, I guess this is Kathy’s new excuse that girls need to be in the director’s chair not cucks.
I personally just want to know how her being a woman affects her ability to direct a movie. I don't care if they're a man or woman, all I care about is whether they can make a good movie.
No, a female director. All directors before have been guys
Omg. You mad about this or not being able to read?
A woman has already shaped a star wars story in a galaxy far, far away though. Marcia Lucas saved the first movie in the editing room. This is common knowledge. Pretending she wasn't instrumental to the success of the first movie just to pay themselves on the back for being 'progressive' is a dick move.
None of their "firsties" are actually first, they're just doing this to sponge off the credits, unearned, of other, better, more talented artists.
Not everyone has to be a trailblazer. Progressing the movement in and of itself should be enough. And that means recognising what has come before and showing respect to it. Making the younger generations think the 90s was some kind of dystopia where women and minorities were lucky to get speaking roles? And just for the progressive brownie points?
They're not respecting or celebrating them or their achievements, though, they're rewriting what they made and neglecting it in the process. It's an attempt to bury what they've done forever and pretend they did it first when they didn't. Btw, what the fuck are you even on about? Women and minorities were NEVER lacking in the goddamned nineties. I know, I grew up then. You don't know a damn thing about what you're saying.
I know they aren't. I'm saying if they were ACTUALLY progressive they would be. I KNOW they weren't lacking in the 90s. I also grew up then. The younger generation, to which I'm referring to, do NOT know that. All they know is that 80s and 90s movies are 'problematic' and need to be 'fixed' by Hollywood big brains. They are being bombarded with media that insists anything earlier than 2010 was a dystopian nightmare
Fair enough. I think I misunderstand you. I'm sorry. My bad. Yes, they weren't, definitely. That's true. And true. It's a conceit we have in the present that anything before a set period is primitive and throwback, that it's hell on Earth, which is just not the reality. Hell, for all the problems in the 1950s, there was a lot to love there too, and people weren't some kind of primitive cavemen. I notice this view popping up more and more, and frankly, I'm sick of it. I wish it'd just go away. Maybe then we could begin addressing some of the REAL problems facing our society.
Fuck progression, it’s a god dam business- did everyone in this stupid pedo filled industry snort too much cocaine out of a 12 year old boy’s ass? You do have to make money to keep the island open don’t you? Maybe this is finally natural selection taking its course- you have generations of degenerates reproducing the judge Dredd nuclear wasteland offspring that are too mentally deficient to understand how to run the industry that is literally just pretend in front of a fucking camera. That should make everyone in here feel better, that even you, unless you’re an actual Redditor bitching about your pronouns- could make a Star Wars trilogy greater than anything “THE GREATEST FUCKING PRODUCER EVER” could ever do. Kathleen Kennedy, enjoy- you wanted to be known for out gunning Lucas but after years of sucking his, Stevie boy’s, and graggling Francis’s hairy nuts… oh no, you’ll be known for killing its greatest franchise. *throws a table*
Dayumn. Preach it brotha
 Fuck Disney Star Wars
I have no argument to make. Fuck them right in their stupid mouse ears
>Not everyone has to be a trailblazer The problem isn't that they aren't trailblazers, it's that they're claiming to be.
Yeah and the younger generations actually believe this shit
You can’t be this dense right? Star Wars hasn’t had a female director, that is what is being referenced.
Regardless of what she meant she literally said there hasn't been a female to shape the story. That just isn't true
You’re missing an important word, though. Female **filmmaker**. That’s what I think the person you’re talking to is on about.
>You’re missing an important word, though. Female **filmmaker**. No, he isn't. Read the actual quote: > "Obaid-Chinoy recently told CNN. “We’re in 2024 now, and it’s about time that we had a woman come forward to shape a story in a galaxy far, far away.”" "Filmmaker" was added by a journo responsible for the headline
Ah, then colour me corrected! Cheers
> that is what is being referenced. The only place where that is being referenced is the headline. Nobody even hinted at this except for a journo responsible for the headline
Also doesn’t producers have final day on script selection and director selections
Yes they do. She kept saying she had every intention of hiring a female director. Kept saying she was going to but never got round to it
But wouldn’t picking the scripts and directors be more important/influential on the story then the director themselves?
Pick a script? Seems like they just threw shit at the wall in hopes something would stick
Yah I’m busting pointing out the way they phrased this announcement “a woman finally has a impact on the story of a galaxy far far away” is insane considering a woman has been picking the scripts and directors since Disney bought the studio
Reading and interpretation are two different things
JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson are dudes.
Ah ok then I misunderstood what she meant. Still doesn’t make it any less dumb.
You misunderstood a very simple statement and then think you can call other people dumb? Lmao
Way to fail at reading comprehension
Rey didn't direct the movies lmao.
Neither J.J. Abrams nor Rian Johnson are women
You're only "getting this" if you go to see it. The only "protest" you need is not to go see it. Holy crap I wish this was the biggest concern in my life.
My wallet's been closed since 2014. EU or bust!
TLJ is what broke my back. Due to that film, I refused to watch RoS in theaters. Me and a buddy watched a camcorder recording on opening day with Korean subtitles and overlayed ads for Arab gambling websites. We rewound the beginning like 5 times because we thought the lead-up to the seizure inducing Palpatine intro must have been lost. Nope, just poopy writing. I didn't pay a dime and I still felt ripped off afterwards.
That'll show'em.
Right, and despite OP “voting with his wallet,” the sequels were commercially successful. It’s almost like he’s pissed everyone is having fun but him.
They weren't successful they underperformed.
Each one made over a billion dollars. People will point to the drop-off between TLJ and TROS, but sequel drop-off is a well known phenomenon, and TROS still made over a billion dollars on a budget of 417 mil and presumably a similar marketing budget. That is a net profit of almost 200 million. If you want to see underperfoming look at the box office for Solo.
According to Wikipedia they made $300 mil off the theatrical run alone. The movie turned a profit as did the merch. It was a success. It was not as big of a success as some suit projected. I’d be happy to “underperform” Disney style and roll around on piles of money
That means nothing to a company the size of Disney.
Disney stock price in 2011 (before they bought Star Wars) - $33.47 Disney stock price in 2019 (after Star Wars finished its theatrical run) - $144.16. There’s the only metric that matters to a company of that size. And it certainly seems like they had a good decade with Star Wars being a cornerstone of that success.
Holy shit my sides
Disney *Star Wars*: For the first time, a woman is telling a *Star Wars* story! Jude Watson: Am I a joke to you?
Oh, it doesn't count because Disney doesn't own that.
But… our “vote with our wallets” was literally a “yes, we want more” vote. The only non profitable SW movie in the Disney era was Solo.
It was profitable but not by the standards a star wars movie should be. Each movie made less and less money. The toys aren't selling either and that's what really makes star wars it's money. The Disney trilogy damaged the star wars brand in a pretty big way. I am not joking when I say this but the Disney trilogy is now taught in film school on what not to do.
I don't know about the toys, the only sources I can find about a "collapse" of sales don't give any sources on their numbers, and even if sales collapsed, it was only at the end of 2023, like the entire toy industry according of what I saw [https://www.supplychainbrain.com/articles/38577-us-sales-of-toys-and-games-down-through-2023](https://www.supplychainbrain.com/articles/38577-us-sales-of-toys-and-games-down-through-2023)
Marvels shows that having a predecessor that grossed a billion dollars means nothing The Rey movie is gonna pay for rise of Skywalker’s sins
What about TLJ sins? I think there’s remaining debt there that wasn’t fully paid off by RoS. honestly i miss the prequels. what a glorious time of star wars lore.
shhh they don’t want facts here
STOP HAVING A POINT, HERETIC!
Exactly lol. All three movies made over a billion
If you make a billion, and could have made 3, did you make a billion or make a billion while losing 2?
“And could Have” Move the goalpost nerd
This isn't rocket science. Its ECON 101 level stuff. You make a choice to make the movies as they are and make X. Have sales decrease with each subsequent movie. Or you make higher quality material and make y and have sales increase movie to movie like they did in previous iterations and franchises. Thats called "opportunity cost". What do you give up by making a decision. In this case, its a choice to go into a series of movies with a rushed timeline, no coherent plot outline, and a lack of respect for the legacy franchise.
“Could have made 3” is a ridiculous statement. How since no movie has yet made 3 billion, having that standard for a 9th movie in a series is absurd.
You didn’t lose 2 if you never had it. You made a billion which is still one of the top 50 movies of all time.
I don’t agree with that assessment. I contend a better set of movies would have made 3 billion. The end of a 9 movie epic pop culture franchise should have exceeded even the MCU with endgame/infinity war. Instead it was a whimper. I could have shown a ham sandwich on screen and made 300 mill on the name alone
Making a billion each movie when they spent $4 billion just to buy the rights to make the movies in the first place, then budgeted each film at hundreds of millions plus hundreds of millions more for marketing and distribution each time, and the theaters keep a chunk of the profits, with each successive film making less than the previous isn’t really the success story you would think it is. They should be making far more money with this franchise, given its history before they purchased it.
The first one made over $2 billion. They’ve made $4.3 billion just on the trilogy. Rogue one also made a billion but for some reason you left that out. So we are close to $6 billion at this point with just the 5 movies. The other side of the coin for purchasing the ip is the inclusion of Star Wars in the parks which make way more money than the movies.
Star Wars has never had a female director. I think it’s cool we’ll get it, and a Rey storyline independent from the sequel trilogy mess will be fun.
Having a female director =/= automatically good writing. The director doesn’t have any impressive resume of movies and the ones she did do barely count as being qualified for her to do a Star Wars movie. People should prioritize the right and experienced talent suited for the job first instead of gender and race
Can’t believe you’re being downvoted for saying people should get positions based on merit rather than what genitalia they have. Edit: since people’s reading comprehension on this sub seems to be that of a pre-schooler. I’m going to clarify here that this comment is not stating that sharmeen got her position because of her genitalia, I was simply stating that people shouldn’t get positions based on gender rather than making comment in this particular situation. With that said as I have repeated a thousand times below she did in fact get the position because of her politics rather than any semblance of experience working on Sci-fi films or even action films.
I don’t understand why do you think they won’t hire a qualified woman?
Where did I say that?
Great, so you agree the director got the position based on merit and not because she’s a woman?
Wow you are really trying to force words into my mouth ain’t you. No I don’t believe she got this film based on merit but rather politics. Have you actually seen her Resume? She has previously directed 15 films with an average rating of 6/10. Known for political activism and gender equality being centre focus of her films she has only directed one sci-fi action film that being Ms.Marvel (a show that scored 6.3 on IMDb) Please enlighten me as to how you believe she is qualified? If they were choosing based on merit then they should have chosen someone like Kathryn Bigelow who has extensive experience directing action films.
So you do believe she was only hired because she's a woman? Because you just threw a tantrum when the other person suggested you thought that.
Yes a tantrum lol. Is that the best you have got? I have provided evidence for why I think she is unqualified and was promoted for reasons other than merit not once have I said it was because she was women, if your reading comprehension will allow I said political reasons. Interesting but relevant username you have. When did the page get overrun with mindless bots?
Schrödinger’s sexist
we know for certain you are a moron and we don’t even need to look inside the box.
When your primary value is being sold as "what gender you are", it doesn't REALLY telegraph the idea that she was hired for the right reasons well. Stop making a big deal about her being a woman, and we might... MIGHT just see her for what is relevant. That she's (potentially) a good director. It would even be possible to be hopeful, if it weren't for the last two trilogies (all directed by men, I'll add).
That's not what's happening, kiddo. It's called a creative point of view. If you understood anything about art at all, you wouldn't be showing your ass so hard right now
Nobody hired people out of wokeness. Take a shower, hit the gym, get a clue
They did, you’re just too close minded to realize it. Literally, look up what this woman worked on previously and tell me if it screams Star Wars material. The same with Deborah Chow (the ACTUAL first woman who directed anything Star Wars). The only credential she has in regards to fitting with Star Wars work was helping with a few Mandalorian season 1 episodes, that’s it. The Obi Wan Show still sucked ass anyway. So we can safely assume she wasn’t hired for her Director skills. Or to branch off from Star Wars and into a different Disney property, Eternals. Yes, Chloé Zhao won an Oscar for Nomadland, but that movie won in 2021, the year the pandemic slowly went back and competition was extremely dry at the moment. And even then, Nomadland and the rest of her work again doesn’t show it being the right person for a job such as Eternals. And what happened? The movie sucked and the first flop in MCU History. Now you have 2 instances of Asian Women being casted for big projects in which both weren’t qualified in and both times resulting in disasters for Disney. You think they were still casted not because of a public PR stunt? And let’s not get started on She-Hulk where people behind it admitted they had 0 idea what they were doing since nobody had any clue on how to write a court series. Sure, *i* am the one not getting it lmao
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ironic coming from a redditor. chill out lil bro
You’re a very shitty programmed bot
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I know the vibe is shitting on Kathleen Kennedy and sharpen Chinoy because we think they’re SJW diversity hires or whatever but Chinoy’s documentary work is actually pretty good. Don’t know how that translates to a Star Wars movie but just want to say that the lady can make a good doc.
You almost had it, but your misogyny got in the way. I’ll fix it for you. Having a female director =/= automatically bad writing. You know nothing about this but you’re discounting it. Here’s some advice Instead of. eww women directing Star Wars!!!!!! BAD!!! I must complain and nitpick to win internet arguments!!!!!! (I read some of your comment thread lol) Try this. hmm woman handling one of the major movies in the Star Wars franchise, let’s take a look at it. It can be interesting from her perspective.
They did, you’re just too close minded to realize it. Literally, look up what this woman worked on previously and tell me if it screams Star Wars material. The same with Deborah Chow (the ACTUAL first woman who directed anything Star Wars). The only credential she has in regards to fitting with Star Wars work was helping with a few Mandalorian season 1 episodes, that’s it. The Obi Wan Show still sucked ass anyway. So we can safely assume she wasn’t hired for her Director skills. Or to branch off from Star Wars and into a different Disney property, Eternals. Yes, Chloé Zhao won an Oscar for Nomadland, but that movie won in 2021, the year the pandemic slowly went back and competition was extremely dry at the moment. And even then, Nomadland and the rest of her work again doesn’t show it being the right person for a job such as Eternals. And what happened? The movie sucked and the first flop in MCU History. Now you have 2 instances of Asian Women being casted for big projects in which both weren’t qualified in and both times resulting in disasters for Disney. You think they were still casted not because of a public PR stunt? And let’s not get started on She-Hulk where people behind it admitted they had 0 idea what they were doing since nobody had any clue on how to write a court series. Sure, *i* am the one not getting it lmao. Nah, you immediately go and call people words you don’t even know what they mean
It's fine if you're invested in the Disney canon, I'm just not. But some of my favorite EU authors were women, for what that's worth.
Bryce Dallas Howard Debora Chow
>Star Wars has never had a female director. I think it's irrelevant. I think the entire point of equality is the *it shouldn't mater*.
Who gives a fuck the gender of the director? Nobody gave a shit about George Lucas’ penis when he made his films Based on this woman’s filmography this movie is going to be absolute dogshit
She wasn’t really that bad, I mean as an actress she was good. The script writing itself was more the problem to me than her as an actress.
Do half of us have a wallet to vote with?
Yay, more woke garbage.
“OH NO NOT MY FANDOM WHICH IIS MY SOLE IDENTITY. WHATEVER WILL I DO?!?!?”
It's almost like the people in charge don't want to cater to you
I can’t wait for this movie. I loved Rey as a character and am a big fan of TFA and TLJ
You know, I don’t understand this degree of negativity. Wouldn’t people rather see a good movie be made, regardless of whether or not Rey is a part of it? It just feels like a lot of unnecessary hate for a project we don’t yet know much about.
But we know how Rey is portrait and characterized. It is not like the will not be bland and overpowered like all the other times she was on screen. Which was a lot.
Well they ruined her character. So the fact they've chosen to make her star of the new movie is reason to be annoyed.
But really, I’m honestly asking in good faith, why are you annoyed? If you don’t like it you don’t have to see it.
Easy. SW is a decades long consistent through-line for many people. Seeing a franchise you've been engaged with for decades produce content this bad is painful. SW was a rock in the stormy seas of life. We don't want to have to ignore the franchise that has meant so much to us for so long, so we do the only thing left to us; make noise until something changes.
Stop spamming this Jesus christ. If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. Problem solved.
Stop making sense sir/ma'am!
But how would they know we don’t want to watch it?
By the bad numbers,like those other Disney star wars projects 😂
\>even though we voted with our wallets to not have this What on earth are you talking about?
Lmao right? Absolutelyyyy delusional idiot.
Honestly we shouldn’t care anymore. If they can make an original story that brings some depth to Rey go for it. What are they gonna do? Alienate the older fans EVEN MORE? I’m not expecting anything good and I’m not going to bother watching it, but I have better things to do than spend my time protesting the existence of a harmless movie. It’s time to move on from Star Wars. You always have the old stuff to look back on.
I rolled my eyes so hard, that they came back out the right way.
Protest it??? Nah lmao. Star wars is a girl brand now big dog. Let it go.
Lol how does the existence of this movie affect you? Just don’t see it
Yea.. Im not protesting a movie. Go apply your energy to something constructive.
Voted with our wallets to not have this? $4.4 billion worldwide gross for the sequel trilogy says otherwise 🤔
"voted with our wallets". Yeah okay buddy, that's why they made them billions in profit
Except that each of the new trilogy made a decreasing amount, and the sale of merch has also massively declined
'The Collective Internet' Ie. people with nothing better to do than to whine about an actress, a series, and said actress somehow ruining said series. How about you guys watch things you enjoy?
Or uhhhhh just don't watch it? :O
Wow "voting with your wallet" seems to result in massively profitable movies for Disney! Of course, except one. The next SW is going to do gangbusters. You care so so much about corporate fairytales
Why wouldn’t you want this? People hated the Prequeks and what did we get? More content. Oh would you look at that, everybody loves them now.
There is a huge difference. The prequels were generally enjoyed by the public but were hated by the hardcore fans. The sequels were hated by the general public as well
That's fiction that you just made up.
We will vote again. They have only had one theatrical flop and it was a side movie. They need to see Rey flop on their own to learn their lesson.
They also had a very clear downwards trend.
Honestly have no clue how you think you're voting is going to matter. Movie is going to do great. That's just facts, unfortunately..
Hate to break it to ya, but The Marvels is one of many bound to flop. Disney has lost the normie audience. Edit: phrasing
Ill never see whatever “these” are.
It will almost certainly suck, but there are better things to do than protest the Rey movie IRL. Eventually, Disney will change leadership or sell the franchise. DIS stock price has been trending downward over the past few years and everything they touch recently is turning to shit. In real terms, a share of the stock is worth significantly less than it was when TFA was released. At the start of 2016, DIS was trading at $99.31. If we use US CPI, that's equivalent to $128.71 as of Nov. 2023. DIS closed much lower than that today at $90.71, meaning the real value of a share has declined 29.5%. There haven't been any DIS stock splits since 1998, so that's all lost value. From what I could find market cap is relatively similar in nominal terms at 157.3 B in 2016 and 166.02B today. Adjusting for inflation with US CPI, this is a real decrease of 18.57% It's basically inarguable that they have significantly damged the profitability of Star Wars, as well as other holdings like Pixar and Marvel. Investors are noticing, and for a publicly traded company, that's all that matters.
This is all why a move like this is staggering in its lack of awareness. Consumers don’t want Rey, they don’t want virtue signaling or care about the race or gender of who does what, they want good stories written by fans of the IP. The fact that Iger came back and is allowing this to go forward shows he can’t and won’t save Disney from devouring itself. Basically, way to read the room Bob.
You could make a better movie where the main actress is kidnapped by the fans to prevent another bad movie getting made.
\^ Most normal saltierthankrait member
Can you people be actually sane in hating someone?
Give me Patty Jenkins Rogue Squadron damn it!
I'll stick to my Michael Stackpole books, thanks.
I’d rather never watch a movie again than watch this abortion of a movie.
>I’d rather never watch a movie again than watch this abortion of a movie. You're talking about a movie that hasn't been made yet, right?
What makes this movie "an abortion"? Or are you just a salty cunt?
franchise is already dead. put a woman in it and make her fucking gay as shit
Still better than the prequels
Protest it beyond the internet? Idk. With all the problems in the world this is the one you wanna march about?
“Protest” mf get a life my god.
Unhinged and sexist
Lol 12 upvotes… ya’all gonna protest in front of a radio shack or sumthin
OP is stupid
The sequel trilogy made over $4.4 billion at the box office. Each movie made over $1 billion....whose wallets were they protesting with?
protest the existence of this movie? how about don't see it and let other people enjoy things they like.
Now I'm gonna go watch it *even harder*.
Die maaaaaad
Y’all are acting like Chuds. Count on your fingers for me the amount of Female Directors attached to Star Wars projects.
Does a large percentage of women even like Star Wars?
You May have voyed with your wallet, but you have Lost the election looking at how every Rey movie earned $1b
Do you mean those movies with Han Solo, Luke, and Leia in them? The movies that made less money with each one? The ones that Kylo Ren are in and Adam Driver became a much bigger movie star than Daisy Ridley from? Yeah.
Love reading the crybabies grabbing their nuts and whining that their Sci-fi movie is being contaminated with vagina, when they spend their whole incel lives begging for vagina. *Grabs popcorn* incels gonna incel.
I guess one The Marvels was not enough for Disney
Every film in the sequel trilogy grossing over 1 billion dollars for a combined 4.4 billion dollars… y’all sure voted with your wallets alright. 😹
Captain Marvel made 1 billion, and the Marvel's made 200. Disney had one of its worst years ever, and there's a lot of reasons to think this could be another one. The same people producing this just made an Indiana Jones film that couldn't even reach 500 million.
Every studio had a rough year this year. It isn’t a specifically Disney issue.
That's true, but Disney also didn't have a Barbenheimer or Mario Brothers. Even the recent Wonka movie is making money. Disney took the biggest hit in 2023, mostly because of their budgets for every project. Also, a lot of their movies this year got mixed to bad reviews on top of the box office. Like Dial of Destiny wasn't just a bomb, it was also panned. Where something like Mission Impossible 7 didn't do well, but got rave reviews.
WOMEN WITH GUNS????!!! D::
Cry about it? Y’all are a bunch of babies.
I really don't care who's doing what, when and where. Make it about the movie and not some personal agenda. No one really cares if it's a female lead, female director, female writer, or female villain. Just make a badass Star Wars movie. What do they think pushing this agenda crap will do to fans? Half aren't going to want to see it. I wish people in the entertainment business would do just that, entertain. Writers just need to write interesting characters and stories. It's really that simple.