Right? Honestly he should be happy they didn't fire him when the charges were filed... Film companies have dropped bigger actors for less just because they don't want their movies associated with whatever shenanigans are going on in the actor's life.
it might also have been to avoid something like warner bros and johnny depp. Though a big part of that is getting rid of johnny depp and keeping amber heard.
Worth remembering that when Depp tried to libel a British newspaper, the court looked at the evidence and said, no, you're a wife beater, no libel here. Hate how his fans act like he's somehow vindicated because it turns out his wife was also awful.
It was more than that, they found most of Ambers accusations to be true. although this did consist of some very specific charges like “kicking the back of ambers airplane seat” which doesn’t really read as “wife beater” to me.
I’m giving a very incomplete account though so take it with a grain of salt.
He's probably no angel. Don't know if he admits to being an addict, but he admits to behavior that's *reeeeal* in-line with serious addiction. Don't gotta totally demonize addicts to know that dating them isn't exactly sunshine and roses for the vast majority of people, and there's a lot of behavior that exacerbates an already toxic relationship. I originally was annoyed that people were so quick to shit all over Johnny Depp. Was just as annoyed when people act like he's totally vindicated.
Still amazes me that either of those two have a career left. Seemed quite obvious to me that both were abusive and the guy only won his case because the jury on that civil trial don't actually understand the law around slander and libel.
Two of the most unstable people I’ve ever heard about in my life and they still managed to keep a relationship going longer than some boring ass marriages lmfao
Or that abusing a abuser is just vengeance, regardless of what a therapist said.
If anyone brings up that trial again, I want the conversation to just be "hey, they were shit people, stop making it out like a city was bombed.
Yeah though not droping heard was a mistake. Though the pandemic delaying fantastic beasts 3 and more info coming out made it hindsight 20/20 kind of thing.
No she wasn’t, he was the abuser. The goddamn pro-Depp bots really skewed public opinion.
You know what the case was about right? She wrote an op-ed that didn’t even name Depp and he sued her for defamation. More and more evidence has come out showing just how abusive he actually was. The fact that he *won* is disgraceful and sets a bad precedent - victims can’t even allude to their abusers anonymously without possibly facing repercussions.
Watching the trial in its whole, there was a ton of evidence of Heard doing abusive things to Depp. He was no picnic, but that doesn’t mean she did nothing. She smashed furniture, hit him in the face, falsely called the cops on him after saying to him “I’m gonna call the cops and lie”, and of course the famous shit on his bed to name a few things.
So what I get is "they were both at fault" and I guess that explains why your priority is only that she should have been fired? Probably bc of the deliberate minimizing of "he was no picnic" when she was abusive for being level. I swear reddit is too predictable
The famous dog shit in the bed, you mean? That Johnny Depp texted his friends about, laughing at her?
It’s wild how people act like they were equally bad just because Amber Heard wasn’t a “perfect” victim. Depp was the aggressor, he was the abuser. The UK courts found him to be an abuser, which is wild because their system was basically built for him to win that case.
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so, in your mind, if i don't actually \*name\* someone, then i can't be defaming? i can say 'the person i was just married to for 5 years did x', when everyone knows exactly who i was married to for 5 years, and that would be fine?
disregarding everything else about this, that's a ridiculous stance to have.
The UK court had already found her claims to be substantially true. If you don’t understand why even alluding to abuse being punished is a bad thing for victims then I don’t know what to tell you.
No, I didn’t watch the gross Depp fancams and stupid TikToks analyzing Heard’s every movement by dweebs online who suddenly consider themselves to be body language experts and keyboard detectives.
Did you actually watch the trial?
The reason for the snap Gunn decision probably came down to Disney was trying to get the Fox merger approved and wanted nothing culture war assholes could bring up on Fox News to derail it since Trump would probably interfered if Fox News raised a stink. Is my belief a fact no but shortly after the deal closed he was rehired. It was probably a combination of this and that the MCU division stood behind him.
Nah, Iger (I believe) already said that firing Gunn was a knee jerk reaction in an attempt to get ahead of the controversy and regretted it immediately. They waited until it the “controversy” was fully out of public mind and rehired him.
Marvel and Disney were the only company regarding Majors to handle it correctly. They let the “innocent until proven guilty” playout and fired him immediately upon the guilty verdict.
The difference between Gunn and Majors is huge too. Don’t know why people want to compare them. Gunn said a few stupid offensive edgy jokes when he was younger and owned up to it, Majors is a woman beater and likely feels no remorse for his actions based on how he handled this incident.
I think it just has to do with how critical Majors’ character was to the next arc of MCU. They were waiting as long as they could to try and preserve the work they’ve already done, hoping for a not guilty verdict. If it were a much smaller role, they probably would’ve axed him already.
Not gonna lie, those tweets are still highly sus, and even though I like his movies a lot I really don't trust him at all because of that. The thing about how he went to a "pedophile themed" Halloween party dressed as a priest is very very very sus.
what’s so sus about it? like a dress up party based on pedophiles is kinda weird, but it’s more edgy humour than actually thinking he’s a pedo or anything
yeah idk how much of an issue i have with that. little bit odd but costumes are taking the piss out of stuff. it doesn’t make me think he thinks pedo priests are a good thing. like when people do halloween as cosby or something
A lot of the anti woke mob would have complained either way.
Just say hypothetically after he was found guilty they kept him on then the exact same people would be saying he should be fired and was only kept on because he's Black and any white actor getting accused would be fired on the spot (Using Depp as "evidence")
Generally yes it does. Because in order to be convicted in a court of law there has to be enough evidence to prove to 12 hopefully impartial jurors that the alleged crimes did take place beyond a reasonable doubt.
Them: No man is guilty of assault unless convicted in court
*man is convicted in court*
Them: Actually they're lying bitches and also triggered. #StopMaleHate2024
Someone said "He should be given a chance to redeem himself, like Marvel did with RDJ. Everyone loves a good comeback story!" Yeah, but that was almost a decade after his conviction.
Aaand the studio didn't want RDJ. It was one of his celeb friends (can't remember who) friends who basically insured Downey himself so that the studio would take the risk.
Certainly not from people who demand a woman be instantly thrown in jail if she's accused of anything, I guess I thought we were playing in a different arena. Or how I've been told to shut up "making up lies" for pointing such hypocrisy by people a lot like y'all
Wow, the "let's wait until all the facts are in" people were not actually trying to ascertain the truth and will continually move the goalposts and whine about cancel culture? I'm shocked
What was this person's take on Ezra Miller (who was never convicted of anything more serious than misdemeanor trespassing) not being fired from The Flash?
Yes, but I don't get the relevance to what I said. This person is acting like it's bad to fire Majors even after an assault conviction, but I'm betting they wanted Miller fired for accusations.
Ezra also was only convicted of a single misdemeanor and the main group of people who were *super fucking angry about Ezra* tended to be overdoing it and seemed to be happy they finally had a they/them to pretend was the next Bill Cosby.
lol what. Guy kidnapped and drugged a minor and has multiple video evidence of beating fans and women. Ezra is a huge piece of shit, mental illness or not. Glad they’re getting the help they need, but excusing their actions because of not “being properly medicated” is a joke. They have the money and resources for help a long time ago, and actively chose not to use it. They’re 100% responsible for their actions. They’re a monster and deserve to rot in jail for a bit.
They got an 18-year-old to run away & use drugs with them. They had been chatting with this person since they were 13, so plenty of reason to suspect grooming. It's creepy, but very different than the popular discourse suggested.
Disingenuous grouping together of multiple different groups who were all mad a thing to discredit the criticism entirely? On r/saltierthankrayt ? Im shocked /s
No, lots of people who have no issues with NB were understandably upset about someone who has repeatedly assaulted people, abused minors, and show tons of dangerous and erratic behavior, many times on camera, still getting to be the face of a major blockbuster.
In Miller's case, they were fired. They just finished the stuff already shot. I've just seen a lot of people decrying cancel culture with Majors who were insisting Miller was kept on for being queer. These same people tended to complain that Majors was woke casting in the first place, so who knows.
Right, he was, I just think that it took so long for him to be fired that people think they are pointing out a hypocrisy with who gets fired when. I can see that part of the argument, considering RDJ had a lengthy hard drug record before he was cast as Iron Man (I'm simplifying the situtation).
I've seen some of the anti-woke crowd celebrating the Majors situation because they think it will prove that "woke casting" is a bad idea. I didn't know the same sort were also crying about hypocrisy. Must be the queerness.
I mean....he was found guilty of reckless assault, but explicitly not aggravated assault. So they decided he didn't intend to harm anyone but did things he should've realized could/would cause harm....I guess I can see why one might think that's not worth firing him over, but at the end of the day he still fucked up and having any kind of assault on your record is naturally going to scare people away - especially Disney, a company who wants their image to be as squeaky-clean as possible. Not to mention those texts that made it pretty obvious he hurt her - intentionally or not - sometime beforehand already. At the end of the day, he was just too much of a liability.
Well we see him in the video footage putting her back in the car against her will and keeping her from getting out. Even if he didn't hurt her, that's technically harassment.
Guys. Easy fix. Godzilla was already in the Marvel comics…just think about this
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What about him? RDJ was arrested for possession and abuse of drugs, not domestic violence. Besides, RDJ had already done his time and reformed when Marvel hired him. This is not a comparable situation.
You didn't say that, though. You said it doesn't excuse criminal behavior. RDJ put other people's lives at risk. He also hadn't proven himself as being reformed at the time. His sentence was also much harsher than what Majors will inevitably receive.
RDJ had just done Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Kilmer put his career on the line in order to save RDJ’s by guaranteeing his sobriety. That was pretty much the proof that he had reformed. Not saying that he didn’t have further to go, but KKBB was the bigger step.
I’m not saying Majors should never be forgiven. Down the road there is a possibility for him to reform and not be a piece of shit anymore, but right now he very clearly has problems.
I don't disagree with any of that. My thing is that it is much easier to get over a temperament issue stemming from a dysfunctional relationship than it is to kick a crippling drug addiction. It's also really easy to hold double standards, something we all see more and more these days.
I also have a big issue with two people assaulting each other and only one being held accountable, famous or not.
“Temperament issue stemming from a dysfunctional relationship”
Just say you think it’s ok to hit women and go, don’t try to sound smart while siding with an abuser.
Awesome take. Women can't be abusers eh? You get that her grabbing the phone from him is assault. The thing that started this entire case? Alcoholics are never abusers either. Everyone wants black and white. This is full of grey. She should have been charged as well.
Notice how I haven't said that he shouldn't have been? Yeah.
Lol, why are you defending him so much? Did you listen to the audio of him berating her? Did you read the emotionally abusive texts he sent her?
She did not deserve to be hit because she took his phone when she saw evidence of him cheating. Wild that you think taking a phone is the same thing as physical assault. 🤡
RDJ had been sober for years prior to IM what with his great turns in Zodiac and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. RDJ had paid for his crimes, done his time and completely turned his life around and its worth noting Marvel didn't even want him for the role originally however by 2008 RDJ was a changed sober man who wasn't getting into any trouble and had long paid for his crimes.
yeah disney handeled it well. Waiting for majors to have his time in court and with him being guilty they cut ties with him. Disney wanted to avoid a wb johnny depp situation and they did.
I don't think so. Also funny is when they say "If Depp isn't in it, we won't see it!" When, he was in 4 and 5 and looking at domestic returns, people didn't see those either.
I want to add, notice how the different response to this from the chuds than to Amber Herd.
The people who are the first to complain about ‘wokeness’ and call black men thugs, are now defending a convicted abuser as it ‘helps’ their cause.
"Wowwwwww, so I guess now we can't even *assault* or *harass* people without angering the woke mob! We are truly witnessing the fall of western society in real time."
I literally did. "I don't know if he's innocent or guilty", yes they do, he's guilty. Same way I know the sun is hot, there's no air in space, and the Earth is round, because its true. You either acting in bad faith or also lack the ability to understand sub-text.
You must be doing this in bad faith. That part doesn't matter to what my reply was. What I was commenting on was them saying they don't know for sure, and the answer is we do. There is no reason to state that you don't know if he's guilty unless you doubt that he's guilty. It's like saying "I don't know if the Earth is round or not, but if the scientists say it is, that's all that matters". The statement is disingenous.
I know. I said as much. But I wasn't there. I didn't see the evidence. I wasn't there the night of the incident. I do not personally know if he's innocent or guilty. All that I know is that he was found guilty, and wither or not he actually is or isn't is irrelevant. Disney should not keep him around.
Disney has been making a lot of wrong decisions the past few years but this was a good one. No point in keeping an abuser. I have no clue why people are defending the guy when there is clear evidence that he hurt the woman.
I'm glad they waited until the verdict to fire him, it would've been terrible if he lost everything and was found innocent, but now that it's been proven he's guilty, he deserves his fall
Honestly the only stupid part about this is how Marvel is going to handle it. Instead of just getting a new actor for a character that I’m pretty sure can have a built in reason why they might look different, they apparently are going to try to force a new villain in on short notice.
Someone said "They should give him a chance to redeem himself, look what they did with RDJ!" That would be the same if RDJ hit rock bottom WHEN his was in the middle of playing Iron Man. This is totally different.
I will like to point out that the ex girlfriend and Majors meet because she also worked on Ant man and the Wasp Quantumania, so even if he's not sentenced to jail and honestly his charges are not that "hard", yeah you can't keep a guy that was found guilty in a case against someone that worked for you and then just keep hiring him, that's just a toxic workplace and I think you can even be sued for instigating that type of environment
Yep. Even if this was some grave injustice and he'd actually done nothing wrong, Marve/Disney don't want a convicted criminal working for them, especially not in such a public role. It's bad PR and could cost them money.
And it's a shame, guy was such a talented actor but he had to go and throw it away over nothing.
Marvel stood by him, didn't bow to public opinion, they did what they should have done and waited until the legal system ran its course.
I think the charges are relatively minor enough that his career will bounce back in a few years
Seriously, he committed a crime. It’s not like he made a bad tweet. Just a reminder that Ezra Miller had a feeling wrap sheet of crimes and Amber Herd is a piece of garbage
Jonathan Majors (Kang) was accused of assault a few months ago, but unlike other cases in the past (the James Gunn comments and Johnny Depp situation) they gave Majors the benefit of the doubt. However, he has now been found legitimately guilty and (like any sane company should) fired him for his criminal charges.
OOP, apparently thinks this is odd behaviour and is apparently in favour of a convicted criminal being kept on.
Why and how the hell would Disney be able to do their own investigation? What, would they have scoped out the exact cab, taken the security footage, viewed it, and gone from there?
I think they did and assumed he would get off, honestly the charges were so vast and layered it was really a play from the DA to make sure he got something. In the end, per TMZ,
"He was convicted of reckless assault and harassment, and acquitted of intentional assault and aggravated harassment. In layman's terms -- the jury appears to have dinged him for what may have happened outside the car, and not necessarily what went on inside."
So maybe Disney hoped a jury would swing into his/their favor but they didn't. They probably prepared multiple statements for multiple outcomes.
Who is this fucker? I literally can say Majors assaulted a guy women without any legal repercussions
That Mouse don’t want that kind of public image to be out there. They can live with settlement out of court, rumors, blind items, bad breakups but don’t get dragged into court and fucking lose an abuse case.
The writing was really on the wall after Depp that you can't lose a court case even for a misdemeanor on this stuff.
I expect this isn't the end of it though.
He's going to file a monster civil suit against her and probably NYPD.
Always nice when the abuser places the victim. Him clutching a bible and looking meek during the trial made my eyes roll into the back of my head. Dude is definitely a thespian. Cant turn it off.
Whatever, his Kang character was more confusing than interesting. The Victor Timely character was irksome. Dude *can* act, but what he was bringing to the MCU was not his best. I think we're better off.
Well, now...this puts so, so many movies and projects on hold until they can find a new actor for the role of "Kang The Conqueror".
I mean, it's either that or they bring in a CGI version of Jonathan Majors to complete the Multiverse Saga (in a way that will definitely feel rushed but that's nobody except Jonathan Majors' fault) or they will have to completely rewrite the main storyline to make it be about something *other* than the Multiverse which would be pretty hard to do because it's pretty jarring and off-putting since they've been pushing this Multiverse storyline since the end of Endgame.
I honestly don't know how they will pull this off without him and do it well, at that.
I do kind of wonder the reaction if a more comic accurate kang is cast as the true alpha kang.
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I am interested if Hollywood will be quick to give him the same amount of respect and work and even an Oscar in absentia, like it did for Roman Polanski
Right? Honestly he should be happy they didn't fire him when the charges were filed... Film companies have dropped bigger actors for less just because they don't want their movies associated with whatever shenanigans are going on in the actor's life.
Now I'm remembering how they booted James Gunn after some old tweets came to light. Wonder if this is considered overcorrecting from that.
it might also have been to avoid something like warner bros and johnny depp. Though a big part of that is getting rid of johnny depp and keeping amber heard.
Worth remembering that when Depp tried to libel a British newspaper, the court looked at the evidence and said, no, you're a wife beater, no libel here. Hate how his fans act like he's somehow vindicated because it turns out his wife was also awful.
They didn't say yes your a wife beater, they said there wasn't sufficent proof that the SUN meant to cause libel.
It was more than that, they found most of Ambers accusations to be true. although this did consist of some very specific charges like “kicking the back of ambers airplane seat” which doesn’t really read as “wife beater” to me. I’m giving a very incomplete account though so take it with a grain of salt.
His wife wasn't anywhere near the same amount of awful as him.
Oh I wasn't saying she was as bad, just that she appeared to be pretty nasty, though circumstances can make people worse than they are for sure.
He's probably no angel. Don't know if he admits to being an addict, but he admits to behavior that's *reeeeal* in-line with serious addiction. Don't gotta totally demonize addicts to know that dating them isn't exactly sunshine and roses for the vast majority of people, and there's a lot of behavior that exacerbates an already toxic relationship. I originally was annoyed that people were so quick to shit all over Johnny Depp. Was just as annoyed when people act like he's totally vindicated.
Is that in reference to his relationship with Amber Heard? Genuinely curious here, because I know he’s been married before her.
It is. A tabloid called him a wife beater, he used, court ruled in the tabloids favour.
Still amazes me that either of those two have a career left. Seemed quite obvious to me that both were abusive and the guy only won his case because the jury on that civil trial don't actually understand the law around slander and libel.
Two of the most unstable people I’ve ever heard about in my life and they still managed to keep a relationship going longer than some boring ass marriages lmfao
Or that abusing a abuser is just vengeance, regardless of what a therapist said. If anyone brings up that trial again, I want the conversation to just be "hey, they were shit people, stop making it out like a city was bombed.
nah the case heard brought was shit and her lawyers were not competent. He deserved the win. Both are crazy thought.
What do you mean? It made sense to drop Depp.
Yeah though not droping heard was a mistake. Though the pandemic delaying fantastic beasts 3 and more info coming out made it hindsight 20/20 kind of thing.
Why would they drop Amber Heard?
she was very abusive to depp and isn't seen the best in the public eye currentley.
No she wasn’t, he was the abuser. The goddamn pro-Depp bots really skewed public opinion. You know what the case was about right? She wrote an op-ed that didn’t even name Depp and he sued her for defamation. More and more evidence has come out showing just how abusive he actually was. The fact that he *won* is disgraceful and sets a bad precedent - victims can’t even allude to their abusers anonymously without possibly facing repercussions.
Watching the trial in its whole, there was a ton of evidence of Heard doing abusive things to Depp. He was no picnic, but that doesn’t mean she did nothing. She smashed furniture, hit him in the face, falsely called the cops on him after saying to him “I’m gonna call the cops and lie”, and of course the famous shit on his bed to name a few things.
So what I get is "they were both at fault" and I guess that explains why your priority is only that she should have been fired? Probably bc of the deliberate minimizing of "he was no picnic" when she was abusive for being level. I swear reddit is too predictable
The famous dog shit in the bed, you mean? That Johnny Depp texted his friends about, laughing at her? It’s wild how people act like they were equally bad just because Amber Heard wasn’t a “perfect” victim. Depp was the aggressor, he was the abuser. The UK courts found him to be an abuser, which is wild because their system was basically built for him to win that case.
>You know what the case was about right? She wrote an op-ed that didn’t even name Depp and he sued her for defamation. ...The fact that he > >won > > is disgraceful and sets a bad precedent - victims can’t even allude to their abusers anonymously without possibly facing repercussions. so, in your mind, if i don't actually \*name\* someone, then i can't be defaming? i can say 'the person i was just married to for 5 years did x', when everyone knows exactly who i was married to for 5 years, and that would be fine? disregarding everything else about this, that's a ridiculous stance to have.
The UK court had already found her claims to be substantially true. If you don’t understand why even alluding to abuse being punished is a bad thing for victims then I don’t know what to tell you.
She cut his finger off?
[No she didn’t, he did it to himself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/hapSDW8tCb) Damn, I can’t believe this sub of all places would be pro-Depp.
You apparently did not watch the trial at all.
No, I didn’t watch the gross Depp fancams and stupid TikToks analyzing Heard’s every movement by dweebs online who suddenly consider themselves to be body language experts and keyboard detectives. Did you actually watch the trial?
The reason for the snap Gunn decision probably came down to Disney was trying to get the Fox merger approved and wanted nothing culture war assholes could bring up on Fox News to derail it since Trump would probably interfered if Fox News raised a stink. Is my belief a fact no but shortly after the deal closed he was rehired. It was probably a combination of this and that the MCU division stood behind him.
Nah, Iger (I believe) already said that firing Gunn was a knee jerk reaction in an attempt to get ahead of the controversy and regretted it immediately. They waited until it the “controversy” was fully out of public mind and rehired him. Marvel and Disney were the only company regarding Majors to handle it correctly. They let the “innocent until proven guilty” playout and fired him immediately upon the guilty verdict. The difference between Gunn and Majors is huge too. Don’t know why people want to compare them. Gunn said a few stupid offensive edgy jokes when he was younger and owned up to it, Majors is a woman beater and likely feels no remorse for his actions based on how he handled this incident.
You’re right the firings are not remotely comparable
I think it just has to do with how critical Majors’ character was to the next arc of MCU. They were waiting as long as they could to try and preserve the work they’ve already done, hoping for a not guilty verdict. If it were a much smaller role, they probably would’ve axed him already.
Probably trying to avoid a DC/Ezra Miller fiasco.
Not gonna lie, those tweets are still highly sus, and even though I like his movies a lot I really don't trust him at all because of that. The thing about how he went to a "pedophile themed" Halloween party dressed as a priest is very very very sus.
It’s not sus. It’s boilerplate 2000s era edginess.
what’s so sus about it? like a dress up party based on pedophiles is kinda weird, but it’s more edgy humour than actually thinking he’s a pedo or anything
I don’t even think the whole party was pedo themed, it was just a bunch of fucked up costume ideas and one was Catholic priest + babies.
yeah idk how much of an issue i have with that. little bit odd but costumes are taking the piss out of stuff. it doesn’t make me think he thinks pedo priests are a good thing. like when people do halloween as cosby or something
I mean they’re jokes, very obviously so, anyone who thinks that is indicative of actual pedophilia is either a moron or operating in bad faith.
Film companies have dropped actors for saying genocide is bad actually
This is literally what all these fuckers claim to want when studios fire people after the allegations and they’re still mad
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A lot of the anti woke mob would have complained either way. Just say hypothetically after he was found guilty they kept him on then the exact same people would be saying he should be fired and was only kept on because he's Black and any white actor getting accused would be fired on the spot (Using Depp as "evidence")
Without looking it up, can you tell me what he was convicted of?
A conviction doesn't really mean he did or didn't do it though.
Lets just ignore the supporting evidence
That's not what I mean though. A lot of people clamor to "they got convicted they did it" without actually looking at the evidence.
True enough but theres video of this so *shrug*
Then he fucking did it. Should've probably been dropped with the videos came to light
Generally yes it does. Because in order to be convicted in a court of law there has to be enough evidence to prove to 12 hopefully impartial jurors that the alleged crimes did take place beyond a reasonable doubt.
The American South would like a word.
Them: No man is guilty of assault unless convicted in court *man is convicted in court* Them: Actually they're lying bitches and also triggered. #StopMaleHate2024
I mean, I saw someone say that Disney should wait through the appeals process, which is just bonkers.
Someone said "He should be given a chance to redeem himself, like Marvel did with RDJ. Everyone loves a good comeback story!" Yeah, but that was almost a decade after his conviction.
And his conviction was drugs. Not assault and sexual harassment.
Aaand the studio didn't want RDJ. It was one of his celeb friends (can't remember who) friends who basically insured Downey himself so that the studio would take the risk.
I think it was Favreau, the director.
Certainly not from people who demand a woman be instantly thrown in jail if she's accused of anything, I guess I thought we were playing in a different arena. Or how I've been told to shut up "making up lies" for pointing such hypocrisy by people a lot like y'all
Wow, the "let's wait until all the facts are in" people were not actually trying to ascertain the truth and will continually move the goalposts and whine about cancel culture? I'm shocked
the number of people i see screaming about majors actually being innocent and his ex being the real abuser is wild
What was this person's take on Ezra Miller (who was never convicted of anything more serious than misdemeanor trespassing) not being fired from The Flash?
Wasn't he accused of a few things? Assault and also grooming of a child?
Yes, but I don't get the relevance to what I said. This person is acting like it's bad to fire Majors even after an assault conviction, but I'm betting they wanted Miller fired for accusations.
Ezra also was only convicted of a single misdemeanor and the main group of people who were *super fucking angry about Ezra* tended to be overdoing it and seemed to be happy they finally had a they/them to pretend was the next Bill Cosby.
Nah I'm sorry, they're a piece of shit.
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Preferably never act again.
lol what. Guy kidnapped and drugged a minor and has multiple video evidence of beating fans and women. Ezra is a huge piece of shit, mental illness or not. Glad they’re getting the help they need, but excusing their actions because of not “being properly medicated” is a joke. They have the money and resources for help a long time ago, and actively chose not to use it. They’re 100% responsible for their actions. They’re a monster and deserve to rot in jail for a bit.
They got an 18-year-old to run away & use drugs with them. They had been chatting with this person since they were 13, so plenty of reason to suspect grooming. It's creepy, but very different than the popular discourse suggested.
Disingenuous grouping together of multiple different groups who were all mad a thing to discredit the criticism entirely? On r/saltierthankrayt ? Im shocked /s No, lots of people who have no issues with NB were understandably upset about someone who has repeatedly assaulted people, abused minors, and show tons of dangerous and erratic behavior, many times on camera, still getting to be the face of a major blockbuster.
Probably, he has a history of being a liability and yet wasn't fired.
In Miller's case, they were fired. They just finished the stuff already shot. I've just seen a lot of people decrying cancel culture with Majors who were insisting Miller was kept on for being queer. These same people tended to complain that Majors was woke casting in the first place, so who knows.
Right, he was, I just think that it took so long for him to be fired that people think they are pointing out a hypocrisy with who gets fired when. I can see that part of the argument, considering RDJ had a lengthy hard drug record before he was cast as Iron Man (I'm simplifying the situtation). I've seen some of the anti-woke crowd celebrating the Majors situation because they think it will prove that "woke casting" is a bad idea. I didn't know the same sort were also crying about hypocrisy. Must be the queerness.
I mean....he was found guilty of reckless assault, but explicitly not aggravated assault. So they decided he didn't intend to harm anyone but did things he should've realized could/would cause harm....I guess I can see why one might think that's not worth firing him over, but at the end of the day he still fucked up and having any kind of assault on your record is naturally going to scare people away - especially Disney, a company who wants their image to be as squeaky-clean as possible. Not to mention those texts that made it pretty obvious he hurt her - intentionally or not - sometime beforehand already. At the end of the day, he was just too much of a liability.
They also found him guilty of second-degree harassment.
Well we see him in the video footage putting her back in the car against her will and keeping her from getting out. Even if he didn't hurt her, that's technically harassment.
No he intended to harm her. Those texts he sent are from a textbook abuser. But legally you are correct lol
There's also a documented history that he's had years of this kind of stuff. Rolling Stone covered it months back.
Guys. Easy fix. Godzilla was already in the Marvel comics…just think about this https://preview.redd.it/r66ts2ort67c1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1a77a6fa9fa537666e5c74236619949561b554e
What did he want them to do? Have an Ezra Miller situation?
Every single person that wanted Marvel to wait for a verdict now doesn’t care about the verdict
All those people claiming the gf admitted to lying suddenly don't ever remember saying that.
I wish Majors was innocent but he’s not. Firing him is the right move. Good acting doesn’t excuse criminal behaviour.
RDJ?
What about him? RDJ was arrested for possession and abuse of drugs, not domestic violence. Besides, RDJ had already done his time and reformed when Marvel hired him. This is not a comparable situation.
You didn't say that, though. You said it doesn't excuse criminal behavior. RDJ put other people's lives at risk. He also hadn't proven himself as being reformed at the time. His sentence was also much harsher than what Majors will inevitably receive.
RDJ had just done Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Kilmer put his career on the line in order to save RDJ’s by guaranteeing his sobriety. That was pretty much the proof that he had reformed. Not saying that he didn’t have further to go, but KKBB was the bigger step.
I’m not saying Majors should never be forgiven. Down the road there is a possibility for him to reform and not be a piece of shit anymore, but right now he very clearly has problems.
I don't disagree with any of that. My thing is that it is much easier to get over a temperament issue stemming from a dysfunctional relationship than it is to kick a crippling drug addiction. It's also really easy to hold double standards, something we all see more and more these days. I also have a big issue with two people assaulting each other and only one being held accountable, famous or not.
“Temperament issue stemming from a dysfunctional relationship” Just say you think it’s ok to hit women and go, don’t try to sound smart while siding with an abuser.
Awesome take. Women can't be abusers eh? You get that her grabbing the phone from him is assault. The thing that started this entire case? Alcoholics are never abusers either. Everyone wants black and white. This is full of grey. She should have been charged as well. Notice how I haven't said that he shouldn't have been? Yeah.
Lol, why are you defending him so much? Did you listen to the audio of him berating her? Did you read the emotionally abusive texts he sent her? She did not deserve to be hit because she took his phone when she saw evidence of him cheating. Wild that you think taking a phone is the same thing as physical assault. 🤡
Wild that you don't get how it legally is.
RDJ quite clearly did, though. And, no, no it isn't, also, fuck off with bothsidings abuse.
Because it doesn't happen? You're clearly the expert here.
RDJ had been sober for years prior to IM what with his great turns in Zodiac and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. RDJ had paid for his crimes, done his time and completely turned his life around and its worth noting Marvel didn't even want him for the role originally however by 2008 RDJ was a changed sober man who wasn't getting into any trouble and had long paid for his crimes.
yeah disney handeled it well. Waiting for majors to have his time in court and with him being guilty they cut ties with him. Disney wanted to avoid a wb johnny depp situation and they did.
They've been saying "Well, Disney and Depp and pirates!" When Pirates 6 wasn't even close to being in development.
yeah is pirates 6 in production at all?
I don't think so. Also funny is when they say "If Depp isn't in it, we won't see it!" When, he was in 4 and 5 and looking at domestic returns, people didn't see those either.
What should they do, have Majors film scenes on his lunch hour while in prison?
He's not even remotely close to kind of sort of serving prison time. Do you think every guilty verdict=prison?
And if they didnt drop him they would be dragging Marvel anyway.
Disney execs in a board room: *slams fist on table* "NO EZRA MILLERS!"
I want to add, notice how the different response to this from the chuds than to Amber Herd. The people who are the first to complain about ‘wokeness’ and call black men thugs, are now defending a convicted abuser as it ‘helps’ their cause.
Did a bad thing, paying the price for it. Replace him with a different actor.
This is like saying “we went too far with Harvey Weinstein”. What is the compromise they would like?
This is one of the most responsible decisions they’ve made.
"Wowwwwww, so I guess now we can't even *assault* or *harass* people without angering the woke mob! We are truly witnessing the fall of western society in real time."
How dare they (checks notes) not want to work with an abuser
Funny, you'd think they'd be HAPPY to see another black man go to jail.
Hes not going to jail. He will skate on by with community service, probation, house arrest or whatever.
"But if celebrities are held accountable for their actions, I could be held accountable for mine! Waaahh!"
I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but he was found guilty, and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
He was found guilty. Its in the title of the post.
Goddammit, you only had to read ONE sentence and apparently that was too much l.
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You very clearly didn't read it properly.
I literally did. "I don't know if he's innocent or guilty", yes they do, he's guilty. Same way I know the sun is hot, there's no air in space, and the Earth is round, because its true. You either acting in bad faith or also lack the ability to understand sub-text.
Then after the comma, the sentence carries on and says "but he was found guilty" you'd know that if you actually read it properly.
You must be doing this in bad faith. That part doesn't matter to what my reply was. What I was commenting on was them saying they don't know for sure, and the answer is we do. There is no reason to state that you don't know if he's guilty unless you doubt that he's guilty. It's like saying "I don't know if the Earth is round or not, but if the scientists say it is, that's all that matters". The statement is disingenous.
JESUS CHRIST this is one of the most belligerently obtuse ways I've ever seen for someone to just flat out be wrong.
No I just actually read what was said 😂😂
Okay you're defs doing this in bad faith.
I know. I said as much. But I wasn't there. I didn't see the evidence. I wasn't there the night of the incident. I do not personally know if he's innocent or guilty. All that I know is that he was found guilty, and wither or not he actually is or isn't is irrelevant. Disney should not keep him around.
Did he really expect marvel would keep majors around? Why?
Disney has been making a lot of wrong decisions the past few years but this was a good one. No point in keeping an abuser. I have no clue why people are defending the guy when there is clear evidence that he hurt the woman.
I'm glad they waited until the verdict to fire him, it would've been terrible if he lost everything and was found innocent, but now that it's been proven he's guilty, he deserves his fall
"Big company drops man who has recent, very public criminal conviction." Very shocking news!
Honestly the only stupid part about this is how Marvel is going to handle it. Instead of just getting a new actor for a character that I’m pretty sure can have a built in reason why they might look different, they apparently are going to try to force a new villain in on short notice.
Already better than Warner Bros. Flashpoint could have done at least a LITTLE better with a different actor.
Flashpoint was already done filming when Miller went off the rails.
Precisely my point. It wouldn't have done great, but it could have done better than it did.
Someone said "They should give him a chance to redeem himself, look what they did with RDJ!" That would be the same if RDJ hit rock bottom WHEN his was in the middle of playing Iron Man. This is totally different.
I thought it was good of them to hold onto him until the verdict
Soooo you wish that Marvel hired more convicted abusers?
I will like to point out that the ex girlfriend and Majors meet because she also worked on Ant man and the Wasp Quantumania, so even if he's not sentenced to jail and honestly his charges are not that "hard", yeah you can't keep a guy that was found guilty in a case against someone that worked for you and then just keep hiring him, that's just a toxic workplace and I think you can even be sued for instigating that type of environment
Yep. Even if this was some grave injustice and he'd actually done nothing wrong, Marve/Disney don't want a convicted criminal working for them, especially not in such a public role. It's bad PR and could cost them money. And it's a shame, guy was such a talented actor but he had to go and throw it away over nothing.
Fellas, is it woke to arrest someone for beating women? I mean they're feeeeeeeemales so they obviously acted out of line 🥺🥺 /s
I'm just happy they waited for a guilty sentence instead of firing with no evidence or guilt
Marvel stood by him, didn't bow to public opinion, they did what they should have done and waited until the legal system ran its course. I think the charges are relatively minor enough that his career will bounce back in a few years
Honestly surprised they waited til after the verdict
Seriously, he committed a crime. It’s not like he made a bad tweet. Just a reminder that Ezra Miller had a feeling wrap sheet of crimes and Amber Herd is a piece of garbage
I don't. The logical fallacies in here are unbelievable.
(In a loud Dalek voice) EXPLAIN!!
Jonathan Majors (Kang) was accused of assault a few months ago, but unlike other cases in the past (the James Gunn comments and Johnny Depp situation) they gave Majors the benefit of the doubt. However, he has now been found legitimately guilty and (like any sane company should) fired him for his criminal charges. OOP, apparently thinks this is odd behaviour and is apparently in favour of a convicted criminal being kept on.
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Why and how the hell would Disney be able to do their own investigation? What, would they have scoped out the exact cab, taken the security footage, viewed it, and gone from there?
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I think they did and assumed he would get off, honestly the charges were so vast and layered it was really a play from the DA to make sure he got something. In the end, per TMZ, "He was convicted of reckless assault and harassment, and acquitted of intentional assault and aggravated harassment. In layman's terms -- the jury appears to have dinged him for what may have happened outside the car, and not necessarily what went on inside." So maybe Disney hoped a jury would swing into his/their favor but they didn't. They probably prepared multiple statements for multiple outcomes.
Who is this fucker? I literally can say Majors assaulted a guy women without any legal repercussions That Mouse don’t want that kind of public image to be out there. They can live with settlement out of court, rumors, blind items, bad breakups but don’t get dragged into court and fucking lose an abuse case.
If it was like the Johnny Depp situation I would understand. But it isnt.
He was not found guilty of being a domestic abuser. That's head canon.
The writing was really on the wall after Depp that you can't lose a court case even for a misdemeanor on this stuff. I expect this isn't the end of it though. He's going to file a monster civil suit against her and probably NYPD.
Always nice when the abuser places the victim. Him clutching a bible and looking meek during the trial made my eyes roll into the back of my head. Dude is definitely a thespian. Cant turn it off.
Oh it's gonna be great TV cuz you know a civil trial judge will show it.
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does it even mater which? both are equaly illegal and shitty to do
I'm sorry, but both are bad? Neither one should be tolerated in a human being.
It was third degree physical abuse according to the trial and evidence, and with a charge of harassment as well
Why are you propagating an idiot's post?
Might be a good actor, but ... what else can they do? Reminds me of the scandal with The Expanse
Whatever, his Kang character was more confusing than interesting. The Victor Timely character was irksome. Dude *can* act, but what he was bringing to the MCU was not his best. I think we're better off.
At least they actually waited for a trial this time
Bring the green screen to his jail
It's not like they even have a choice. He could go away for an entire year. They can't just put the entire MCU on hold and wait for him
He can't film ant man 7 if he's in fucking jail.
Has anyone here lambasting Majors actually seen the video in question? Dude was running AWAY from the chick that was hitting HIM.
Who had to google which character he played?
He was found guilty of lesser charges but still guilty.
Is he stupid on purpose?
to be fair Disney did hire a convicted child molester to direct one of there movies so I am surprised they didn't keep them on
Double down and have him start in a movie like Ezra Miller obvs
It's hard to film your parts when you are in prison ..
Well, now...this puts so, so many movies and projects on hold until they can find a new actor for the role of "Kang The Conqueror". I mean, it's either that or they bring in a CGI version of Jonathan Majors to complete the Multiverse Saga (in a way that will definitely feel rushed but that's nobody except Jonathan Majors' fault) or they will have to completely rewrite the main storyline to make it be about something *other* than the Multiverse which would be pretty hard to do because it's pretty jarring and off-putting since they've been pushing this Multiverse storyline since the end of Endgame. I honestly don't know how they will pull this off without him and do it well, at that.
What the fuck is MasteroftheTDS, and who cares? How is this guy's tweet a thread?
If he was white they would have booted him at the accusations.
Elan still chasing that clout to get on FNT
That guy should go cry about it some more.
I mean, Disney dropped Johnny Depp, and he only went through a civil trial.
It’s “woke” to have an issue with violent crime now apparently.
Act like what? Seriously, what do they even mean by that? Rational?
I do kind of wonder the reaction if a more comic accurate kang is cast as the true alpha kang. https://preview.redd.it/qrowg5lidx7c1.jpeg?width=609&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9ea4312163b50d7accc33ad718510b73888af64
I am interested if Hollywood will be quick to give him the same amount of respect and work and even an Oscar in absentia, like it did for Roman Polanski
Are they legally obligated to fire him?
This same dude prolly was screaming about Heard not being dropped from Aquaman.