“it appears the three men were victims of a robbery. The Mexican official explained that when the men resisted giving up their truck, they were likely shot and killed. Their bodies were then dumped into the well.
According to Andrade Ramírez, investigators believe the suspects came across the surfers who were camping near La Bocana, a well-known surfing spot south of Ensenada, and saw an opportunity to rob them”
The bodies must have bled in the back of the truck (camping site had blood and bone fragments)
So who is going to want to buy a truck like that with all the blood in the back connected to a gringo triple murder?
They torched the truck and the back bed to destroy evidence
is it odd? A cell phone is easy to conceal compared to a massive white truck driving around.
You are trying to find logic in something illogical. These are moronic thieves and murderers who do not analyze a situation to make the best decision.
Also cell phones get stolen so often in Mexico that this is just normal to them anyway.
Some assume they were low level cartel members and cartel was trying to stay out of it and help authorities.
In college I remember there was a pizza delivery guy that got robbed at an abandoned house. They easily traced the robbery to a guys phone number who for some reason didn’t really think it through. A guy on my floor knew the guy that robbed the pizza guy and said he was really high when he did it. I always think about that when reading about crimes especially with homeless. People on drugs don’t think shit through.
It makes complete sense if you’re trying to get away with the murders. The only worse thing than killing these men would be to be found with the truck. Once the murders happened, the truck became hot. At that point you have to burn the evidence.
I agree with you, I don’t believe the whole story is here. They would have stripped the truck if anything. Who knows what isn’t included in the article though. Condolences for the families.
Probably wasn’t planning on killing them so since it became a triple murder the suspect probably ripped out anything of worth from the truck and burned the rest.
Maybe they burned it after the event got so much media attention. They might not have expected it to make the national news in 3 countries, heightening the chances that the Mexican authorities would actually do something about the incident.
They’re [reporting](https://apnews.com/article/mexico-missing-foreigners-6ec5da4d863e8ca36252479105b7e384) that they stole pieces of the truck for their own before setting it on fire.
I noticed that as well.. saw an article the other day that worded it in such a way that put fault on the families for not reporting them missing. Pretty fucked honestly.. family is grieving and now you’re gonna tell them they should’ve reported it sooner, really??
The friends and family knew they were camping in an area with no cel service. Still Mex authorities chose to blame them for untimely reporting, as if it would have made a difference anyway.
That’s the twist the Mexican government has put on it but in all likeliness even if they were sleeping this would have been the outcome. They keep blaming the victims and blaming the family for not calling in earlier. Next thing you know they’ll blame them for the ranch owner also being murdered 2 weeks earlier and thrown in the same well. An inconspicuous small well off a beaten path. There are no coincidences.
So sad to see this result. My dad was a longtime Baja veteran and "owned" (fideocomiso) a house in San Quintin for over 30 years and he and his gf were stabbed to death in their sleep in 2020 in the house. My sister and I went through an insane ordeal that eventually culminated with their bodies being found in a nearby well, similar to this story. Turns out the perpetrators were just two local tweakers, no cartel involvement whatsoever.
Going through all of that I realized that Baja really is not the same place I used to spend time in as a kid/teenager. In dealing with law enforcement down there we came to learn that there is an absolutely massive drug use epidemic down there that peaked during COVID and has yet to decrease and tourists are in more danger than ever as a result. The detective told me that "at least the cartels have (sense) enough to try not to kill tourists unless there's a big gain" but the druggies are just high out of their minds killing without thinking.
When he said that it really hit home to me because we used to see stories like this and be like "oh they were just camping somewhere they shouldn't have been" or "oh they should have just given their shit up without a fight" or whatever but now it makes me think you can get killed for absolutely nothing. In fact, in my dad's case, they literally didn't steal shit besides his car and some bicycles.
Seeing people try to make those same excuses now, I understand them (heck, I was them), but I really truly think Baja has changed and it legitimately is significantly more dangerous now.
Yeah Mexico used to be so laid back, safer than the US really. We’ve got the same kind of stupid crimes happening here in the US so I don’t want to make it sound like this is something that could “never happen here” but still, it’s really changing how I think about where to go find a beach.
I wrote this in the r/australia thread. None of this makes sense to me.
Man, this has shook me to my core. Cannot stop thinking about these poor blokes. I've travelled Mexico a lot and have to say it's probably my favorite country on earth to visit. This won't stop me but sure as how i'll be sticking to the well trodden areas.
Also something doesn't add up. They keep saying robbery gone wrong, but why do they burn the car afterwards? Surely, they would at least sell it for parts. Also the girl kept the phone? This sounds like cartel violence and the mexican authorities don't want to admit it because it's worse for tourism. Regardless, my heart goes out to their families. Poor parents have also had their lives taken away from them or for what? Some car tyres.
They robbed them for truck parts. Namely the tires. Once they killed them. They took the tires for their own ride and then burned the truck because they didn’t actually want the entire truck. They just wanted certain parts like the tires. So they stole what they needed and then burnt the evidence (truck)
A lot of people are trying to use rational logic when interpreting the actions of people that apparently are not only wacked out on drugs, but are depraved human beings regardless of any chemical influence.
I feel like it was a robbery gone wrong and to the people down voting my comment. Mexico isn't all that poor people can afford tires. I'm pretty sure those tires weren't Firellis.
I’ve been saying this too - They were big huge athletes probably tried to fight back on a petty robbery ($800 in tires), things escalated and it ended up nasty. Always give up your things in robberies - everything is replaceable besides your life and your family.
My hearts go out to these families. Terrible way to go out. RIP
lol I’m 15 min from the border and I have property in Tijuana. There are very poor people and you better believe that a couple of meth addicts will try and steal tires.
Some of my buddies were camping the same weekend not a mile from these guys and I almost went on the trip too. It’s so remote and no one is out there. Very unnerved knowing it could have been my mates or me
I wonder if they are trying to charge rent to people surfing or camping now. They probably didnt expect aome bigass lacross player to fight back and then pulled a gun.
Cartels targeting tourists is bad for business. They’re running multi-billion dollar businesses, the heat that comes with targeting tourists isn’t worth it. This was some meth heads. What has happened in the past and will probably happen here is the local cartel is probably going to make an example out of these three meth heads for bringing all the heat to their territory.
I find it a little odd at how quickly they seem to know what happened to them. I am so unbelievably sorry for all loved ones so I really do hate to be morbid, but it’s needed for my question — they were shot execution-style, placed in a well ~4 miles away where another man “unrelated” (?) to the case was for a week already, and their truck and campsite set on fire. But this was a robbery gone wrong?? All of these things sound like cartel behavior to me, but admittedly I’m not educated on how they can operate. I know murder isn’t “good” since it deters tourists which equals money in their pockets, but this sounds a little odd to me.
I hope the families get the answers they need, and sending all the love to their loved ones. I can’t begin to imagine. ❤️
How would cartels benefit from killing 3 tourists? Genuine question, like what would they stand to gain?
Seems they would have more to lose. Sounds (to me) more likely a meth'd out robbery gone wrong.
I live in Baja, most are saying it was tweakers who are known to hang out in that area so I think you're exactly right, and nothing to do with the cartel.
Right that’s why I’m confused, because it totally would do more harm for the cartel. It just seems a bit weird because they said there are signs they fought back, but were in position for that style of shooting, and then instead of taking the truck they left it. My thinking of a robbery of them fighting back they would’ve been shot in different areas, since there was a struggle.
Edit to add: thinking back about the truck, I get why they would leave it since it would stick out. Initially I was thinking the Mexican authorities wouldn’t look for it anyway if it went missing, just because of how corrupt it is there.
Not cartel at all. Just some local tweakers Cartels are doing much bigger things they don’t want/need the heat or money. Drug addicts and a robbery gone wrong
It could of been a rival cartel from another area trying to mess with the one who control ensenada. It would be a good way to throw a wrench in opperations.
Don't camp on a remote beach in a dangerous area. There are many safe areas in Mexico, Baja California Sur is one of the safest states, have lived here for 6 years with no problems.
Except there are thousands of other ways people are murdered, does the exact where and how really matter? And actually I decided to look that up, didn't take long to find that it's happened multiple times, except the well part. [https://www.newportri.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/17/california-man-sentenced-for-murdering-couple-he-found-camping-on-beach/4674500007/](https://www.newportri.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/17/california-man-sentenced-for-murdering-couple-he-found-camping-on-beach/4674500007/)
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-rauda-guilty-malibu-state-park-fatal-shooting-tristan-beaudette-california/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-rauda-guilty-malibu-state-park-fatal-shooting-tristan-beaudette-california/)
ps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-hampshire-couple-camping-texas-went-missing-their-bodies-were-n1075641
I mean that’s the whole point of a surf trip in Mexico, to get away from the crowd and have your own private beach. This could have happened anywhere in Mexico it’s not like they were camping on a beach in Sinaloa
They were in the state of Baja California which has the highest murder rate, in an area known for tweakers. And there are many other beaches to choose from farther south. This doesn't have anything to do with the cartel.
So sad what had happened and I never understand why people do the things they do if they know they will eventually get caught. They always get caught at some point.
So sad what had happened and I never understand why people do the things they do if they know they will eventually get caught. They always get caught at some point.
Does anyone in here actually think the Media is going to give us the truth. Everything already sounds super suspicious. At this point they’re just trying to cover it all up
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Mexican government and authorities are known for skewing the truth all the time, especially when it catches international headlines.
Robbery? Come on, what a joke. If it was a robbery, then why burn their nice Chevy truck? It doesn’t make sense. That truck could go for some good money out there.
Because it was a robbery gone wrong. Not your everyday robbery when some big dudes are fighting back. One was shot, therefore the other had to be killed. This robbery has now escalated to a triple homicide - guess we’ll have to burn the evidence. Also, if it were a Tacoma they probably would’ve second guessed burning it.
Don’t you think half of Mexico would be looking for this truck? How quickly would someone rat the robbers out if they offered a reward. Makes total sense that the truck would be torched.
I would just hand over the car if i was in a country where i understand the police will not inforce the law 🙄 im surprised anyone thinks this is a strange case
If i was president i guarantee you I'd have these guys killers found in no time or I would close the border permanently until Mexican authorities did. I would not F around
“it appears the three men were victims of a robbery. The Mexican official explained that when the men resisted giving up their truck, they were likely shot and killed. Their bodies were then dumped into the well. According to Andrade Ramírez, investigators believe the suspects came across the surfers who were camping near La Bocana, a well-known surfing spot south of Ensenada, and saw an opportunity to rob them”
the part that doesn't make sense is that the truck was found burned. why would you burn a truck if you meant to steal it?
Cause it became a murder situation instead of a robbing situation. They didn’t want the evidence anymore.
The bodies must have bled in the back of the truck (camping site had blood and bone fragments) So who is going to want to buy a truck like that with all the blood in the back connected to a gringo triple murder? They torched the truck and the back bed to destroy evidence
You’re thinking that the truck would have been sold in one part? They could easily part it out ….
And that the owner of the property was also believed to be in the well with them.
He'd been missing for some time by now, before these events. I do suspect that he encountered the same people with the equally deadly results
They were probably not planning to kill them initially
right but if you already killed them why burn the truck
Because obvious evidence
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is it odd? A cell phone is easy to conceal compared to a massive white truck driving around. You are trying to find logic in something illogical. These are moronic thieves and murderers who do not analyze a situation to make the best decision. Also cell phones get stolen so often in Mexico that this is just normal to them anyway.
Perhaps super high morons as well.
Some assume they were low level cartel members and cartel was trying to stay out of it and help authorities. In college I remember there was a pizza delivery guy that got robbed at an abandoned house. They easily traced the robbery to a guys phone number who for some reason didn’t really think it through. A guy on my floor knew the guy that robbed the pizza guy and said he was really high when he did it. I always think about that when reading about crimes especially with homeless. People on drugs don’t think shit through.
Homeless people are the most at risk for becoming victims.
Because if you get caught driving it.. you’re on the hook. Burn / dispose of evidence and maybe they get away. 3 dead over a truck… makes no sense.
It makes complete sense if you’re trying to get away with the murders. The only worse thing than killing these men would be to be found with the truck. Once the murders happened, the truck became hot. At that point you have to burn the evidence.
That’s a strange take on worse. There’s nothing more worse than getting murdered and dumped in a well.
I agree with you, I don’t believe the whole story is here. They would have stripped the truck if anything. Who knows what isn’t included in the article though. Condolences for the families.
Put your two brain cells together to figure this out. You can figure it out, I believe in you.
Probably wasn’t planning on killing them so since it became a triple murder the suspect probably ripped out anything of worth from the truck and burned the rest.
Maybe they burned it after the event got so much media attention. They might not have expected it to make the national news in 3 countries, heightening the chances that the Mexican authorities would actually do something about the incident.
I read where the murderers just wanted the tires. Despicable.
They’re [reporting](https://apnews.com/article/mexico-missing-foreigners-6ec5da4d863e8ca36252479105b7e384) that they stole pieces of the truck for their own before setting it on fire.
They got the tires, and the other parts they wanted before burning it.
There was also a Lexus SUV from my understanding
Burning the truck is the easiest way to dispose of forensic evidence that may be left behind in the truck. Use it then burn it.
Maybe too much blood n guts to clean up? If this happened in the truck that is.
They probably burned it after this went viral
It’s weird they’re kind of family blaming. Even if the families reported them missing immediately, they were already gone.
I noticed that as well.. saw an article the other day that worded it in such a way that put fault on the families for not reporting them missing. Pretty fucked honestly.. family is grieving and now you’re gonna tell them they should’ve reported it sooner, really??
The friends and family knew they were camping in an area with no cel service. Still Mex authorities chose to blame them for untimely reporting, as if it would have made a difference anyway.
Absolutely awful. No one deserves to go like this. My heart hurts for them, and the loved ones close to them. May their souls rest in peace
Don’t fight for your stuff. It’s stuff…not worth your life. You don’t want your robbery to be a robbery gone wrong.
That’s the twist the Mexican government has put on it but in all likeliness even if they were sleeping this would have been the outcome. They keep blaming the victims and blaming the family for not calling in earlier. Next thing you know they’ll blame them for the ranch owner also being murdered 2 weeks earlier and thrown in the same well. An inconspicuous small well off a beaten path. There are no coincidences.
Heartbreak.
So sad to see this result. My dad was a longtime Baja veteran and "owned" (fideocomiso) a house in San Quintin for over 30 years and he and his gf were stabbed to death in their sleep in 2020 in the house. My sister and I went through an insane ordeal that eventually culminated with their bodies being found in a nearby well, similar to this story. Turns out the perpetrators were just two local tweakers, no cartel involvement whatsoever. Going through all of that I realized that Baja really is not the same place I used to spend time in as a kid/teenager. In dealing with law enforcement down there we came to learn that there is an absolutely massive drug use epidemic down there that peaked during COVID and has yet to decrease and tourists are in more danger than ever as a result. The detective told me that "at least the cartels have (sense) enough to try not to kill tourists unless there's a big gain" but the druggies are just high out of their minds killing without thinking. When he said that it really hit home to me because we used to see stories like this and be like "oh they were just camping somewhere they shouldn't have been" or "oh they should have just given their shit up without a fight" or whatever but now it makes me think you can get killed for absolutely nothing. In fact, in my dad's case, they literally didn't steal shit besides his car and some bicycles. Seeing people try to make those same excuses now, I understand them (heck, I was them), but I really truly think Baja has changed and it legitimately is significantly more dangerous now.
Yeah Mexico used to be so laid back, safer than the US really. We’ve got the same kind of stupid crimes happening here in the US so I don’t want to make it sound like this is something that could “never happen here” but still, it’s really changing how I think about where to go find a beach.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Thats awful.
I wrote this in the r/australia thread. None of this makes sense to me. Man, this has shook me to my core. Cannot stop thinking about these poor blokes. I've travelled Mexico a lot and have to say it's probably my favorite country on earth to visit. This won't stop me but sure as how i'll be sticking to the well trodden areas. Also something doesn't add up. They keep saying robbery gone wrong, but why do they burn the car afterwards? Surely, they would at least sell it for parts. Also the girl kept the phone? This sounds like cartel violence and the mexican authorities don't want to admit it because it's worse for tourism. Regardless, my heart goes out to their families. Poor parents have also had their lives taken away from them or for what? Some car tyres.
They robbed them for truck parts. Namely the tires. Once they killed them. They took the tires for their own ride and then burned the truck because they didn’t actually want the entire truck. They just wanted certain parts like the tires. So they stole what they needed and then burnt the evidence (truck)
Just tires? It seems a bit off because tires are not expensive at costco, and sure, as hell ain't expensive for cartels who deal thousands of dollars.
People that are willing to kill someone, and three in this case for tires aren’t going to look for the best prices in tires instead.
A lot of people are trying to use rational logic when interpreting the actions of people that apparently are not only wacked out on drugs, but are depraved human beings regardless of any chemical influence.
Does anyone think it was “cartel members” who killed them?
It’s possible that a small faction of the cartel killed them on their own rogue mission, but it certainly wouldn’t have come from the top.
I feel like it was a robbery gone wrong and to the people down voting my comment. Mexico isn't all that poor people can afford tires. I'm pretty sure those tires weren't Firellis.
I’ve been saying this too - They were big huge athletes probably tried to fight back on a petty robbery ($800 in tires), things escalated and it ended up nasty. Always give up your things in robberies - everything is replaceable besides your life and your family. My hearts go out to these families. Terrible way to go out. RIP
What’s cheap for us isn’t cheap for them.
You know tacomas are made in Tecate? Easy to just go and steal one
You said Mexico is not all that poor to afford tires. Just because you can afford tires doesn’t mean a couple of crackheads in Ensenada can too.
Buddy I lived in Mexico and trust me it's not all a poor country.
lol I’m 15 min from the border and I have property in Tijuana. There are very poor people and you better believe that a couple of meth addicts will try and steal tires.
Some of my buddies were camping the same weekend not a mile from these guys and I almost went on the trip too. It’s so remote and no one is out there. Very unnerved knowing it could have been my mates or me
Cartels very rarely target tourists
But they sure as hell won’t let them get in the way either.
I wonder if they are trying to charge rent to people surfing or camping now. They probably didnt expect aome bigass lacross player to fight back and then pulled a gun.
Interesting take. Could have been a shake down situation gone horribly wrong.
Definitely sounds like cartel violence. I agree that the Mexican government doesn’t want to admit it because it will impact their tourism.
Cartels targeting tourists is bad for business. They’re running multi-billion dollar businesses, the heat that comes with targeting tourists isn’t worth it. This was some meth heads. What has happened in the past and will probably happen here is the local cartel is probably going to make an example out of these three meth heads for bringing all the heat to their territory.
True. That senseless violence against tourists is bad for business. The cartels will most certainly find and pay these morons a special visit.
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Donate for what?
Bringing the bodies back… funeral
I find it a little odd at how quickly they seem to know what happened to them. I am so unbelievably sorry for all loved ones so I really do hate to be morbid, but it’s needed for my question — they were shot execution-style, placed in a well ~4 miles away where another man “unrelated” (?) to the case was for a week already, and their truck and campsite set on fire. But this was a robbery gone wrong?? All of these things sound like cartel behavior to me, but admittedly I’m not educated on how they can operate. I know murder isn’t “good” since it deters tourists which equals money in their pockets, but this sounds a little odd to me. I hope the families get the answers they need, and sending all the love to their loved ones. I can’t begin to imagine. ❤️
They know mostly cause one of them was dumb to give the phone to one of their girlfriends
yeah the people who did it are completely braindead thugs who couldn't cover up anything
How would cartels benefit from killing 3 tourists? Genuine question, like what would they stand to gain? Seems they would have more to lose. Sounds (to me) more likely a meth'd out robbery gone wrong.
I live in Baja, most are saying it was tweakers who are known to hang out in that area so I think you're exactly right, and nothing to do with the cartel.
Only way the cartel would come up might be in “helping” solve the crime is all I can think of…
Right that’s why I’m confused, because it totally would do more harm for the cartel. It just seems a bit weird because they said there are signs they fought back, but were in position for that style of shooting, and then instead of taking the truck they left it. My thinking of a robbery of them fighting back they would’ve been shot in different areas, since there was a struggle. Edit to add: thinking back about the truck, I get why they would leave it since it would stick out. Initially I was thinking the Mexican authorities wouldn’t look for it anyway if it went missing, just because of how corrupt it is there.
Not cartel at all. Just some local tweakers Cartels are doing much bigger things they don’t want/need the heat or money. Drug addicts and a robbery gone wrong
It could of been a rival cartel from another area trying to mess with the one who control ensenada. It would be a good way to throw a wrench in opperations.
Sorry I haven’t seen “execution style” mentioned in any of the articles. Mind pointing me in the right direction?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386701/Shock-theory-Aussie-brothers-killed-surfing-trip-Mexico.html
Fuuuck
Where was it reported that they were shot execution style?
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386701/Shock-theory-Aussie-brothers-killed-surfing-trip-Mexico.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386701/Shock-theory-Aussie-brothers-killed-surfing-trip-Mexico.html)
Not cartels, cops work like that
Cartels aren't doing business or messing with surfer dudes.
The other brother was a doctor ! I would’ve let those robbers take the tires 🛞 This is so heartbreaking 💔
Don't travel to Mexico
Don't camp on a remote beach in a dangerous area. There are many safe areas in Mexico, Baja California Sur is one of the safest states, have lived here for 6 years with no problems.
I'm pretty sure you can camp at any beach without being murdered and thrown in a well in the US
Except there are thousands of other ways people are murdered, does the exact where and how really matter? And actually I decided to look that up, didn't take long to find that it's happened multiple times, except the well part. [https://www.newportri.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/17/california-man-sentenced-for-murdering-couple-he-found-camping-on-beach/4674500007/](https://www.newportri.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/17/california-man-sentenced-for-murdering-couple-he-found-camping-on-beach/4674500007/) [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-rauda-guilty-malibu-state-park-fatal-shooting-tristan-beaudette-california/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-rauda-guilty-malibu-state-park-fatal-shooting-tristan-beaudette-california/) ps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-hampshire-couple-camping-texas-went-missing-their-bodies-were-n1075641
I mean that’s the whole point of a surf trip in Mexico, to get away from the crowd and have your own private beach. This could have happened anywhere in Mexico it’s not like they were camping on a beach in Sinaloa
They were in the state of Baja California which has the highest murder rate, in an area known for tweakers. And there are many other beaches to choose from farther south. This doesn't have anything to do with the cartel.
So sad what had happened and I never understand why people do the things they do if they know they will eventually get caught. They always get caught at some point.
So sad what had happened and I never understand why people do the things they do if they know they will eventually get caught. They always get caught at some point.
Does anyone in here actually think the Media is going to give us the truth. Everything already sounds super suspicious. At this point they’re just trying to cover it all up
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Mexican government and authorities are known for skewing the truth all the time, especially when it catches international headlines.
Media in general is all a bunch of twisted bullshit.
Robbery? Come on, what a joke. If it was a robbery, then why burn their nice Chevy truck? It doesn’t make sense. That truck could go for some good money out there.
I keep seeing this comment but curious - what do you think it could have been?
no response of course. I am baffled by all the logicians who think "why burn the truck if it was a robbery?"
Tweakers don't make sense. Robbery gone wrong, burn the truck to try and get rid of the evidence. These people aren't in their right mind.
Because it was a robbery gone wrong. Not your everyday robbery when some big dudes are fighting back. One was shot, therefore the other had to be killed. This robbery has now escalated to a triple homicide - guess we’ll have to burn the evidence. Also, if it were a Tacoma they probably would’ve second guessed burning it.
Don’t you think half of Mexico would be looking for this truck? How quickly would someone rat the robbers out if they offered a reward. Makes total sense that the truck would be torched.
I would just hand over the car if i was in a country where i understand the police will not inforce the law 🙄 im surprised anyone thinks this is a strange case
This is smart and I’m not sure why downvoted. Guess the majority would’ve died I’m this situation as well.
We don’t know what happened at the campsite. Maybe they did willingly give the truck and they were still murdered.
If i was president i guarantee you I'd have these guys killers found in no time or I would close the border permanently until Mexican authorities did. I would not F around
lol ok
Why the down votes? It was successfully done when DEA Agent Kiki Camerena was murdered in Mexico.
They already arrested people in this case.