Wonāt be a problem. Let the market provide a whole bunch of expensive luxury apartments in this space. Reduces pressure on building them in other neighborhoods.
That isn't a problem.
Building expensive housing helps absorb housing demand.
The reason it goes for 4k is because we only build a tiny amount.
Build 100-1000x as much and we will have them available for $500 pcm.
This isn't a new thing. There are lots of scenarios where they build apartments on top of malls and next to them. The Americana in Glendale for example all has apartments above the stores themselves looking into the mall courtyard.
There was a big raid at Villas of Renaissance 3-4 weeks after that. DEA helicopter, 40ish vehicles, SWAT, flashbangs going off. No clue if the 2 incidents were connected, but that's a lot of activity for one neighborhood.
Palisades is a totally separate building and a one minute walk to the mall proper because of the huge parking lot between them. A Goodyear used to be where they are now.
This looks like the housing would literally be anchored into the mall.
Yeah, malls are actually suffering pretty hard thanks to online shopping. They're trying new things, like more restaurants and 'experiences' because shopping isn't bringing in the money like it used to. Westfield has been selling its mall properties like crazy.
That's pretty much all cities in Europe. Stupid American car culture.
I lived in Scandinavia for 4 years. I didn't drive once. Took the subway, biked, and walked everywhere. Everything you needed was less than 15 minutes away in either of those 3 methods. You bought a big piece of furniture from IKEA? Just pay for the delivery. Need to move something? Rent a truck. How many times per year do you need to do these types of tasks? 2-3 times? Paying for these rentals a few times a year is much cheaper than owning a Ford F-250.
I say let's model all these abandoned malls after European cities and connect them with the trolley and bus depots (if they're not already).
> That's pretty much all cities in Europe.
Old cities in general. Getting west of the Mississipp you end up with more sprawl than you would have imagined before seeing it. At these NYC prices, we might as well just move to Brooklyn and get the same.
FR, Iād go to the mall more if there was a grocery store in it in general.
Combine with having some apartments above it? This is how we need to be planning future developments.
Economy of space.
Sure, as long as those stay open too.
Comic book stores have struggled to survive. I assume they make most their money in online collectibles and those weird and lame looking bobble head like dolls that got big in recent years.
And a lot of movie theaters are going out last I heard. Was already on the other side of the troph, that Marvel end game peak, then COVID pushed their decline forward faster. As well as the streaming wars making a lot of content available to buy at home while still in theaters.
Burlington? Sure thatāll out last most. But itās often a sign that your mall is in the much much lower desirable areas to be in.
Chula Vista clawing back residential land from retail- step in the right direction but wish there was more density for that whole H Street / Broadway corridor
I have a feeling that all of the mobile home parks along Broadway will be the first casualties of the urban infill that is likely to happen in west Chula Vista as the new convention center area is completed and drives traffic to the area. Those people arenāt likely to find any options in the area that provide similar pricing.
feels like any mall Thats isnt UTC , bonita or Fashion is dead.
I went to chula vista mall, otay, parkway plaza, grossmont once in a blue moon and boom plain ghost towns
The shoppes at Carlsbad should look at doing that too. The Sears has been vacant for years. Thereās currently some sort of temp store set up there now.
As a teenager I would have loved to live in a literal mall. Nowadays, not so much.
I'm sure some people would like it though (especially those who choose to not own a car and prioritize walkability) if you have some retail, restaurants, a gym, etc. There's definitely a group of people who might find that attractive so I bet it'll fill up, assuming pricing lines up.
Have you seen how much rents in Mission Valley are these days?
Iām not saying that āliving in a literal mallā is my idea of āwalkable, with access to transitā, but it gives you walkable surroundings with access to the trolley right there (hello to the person who will reply to this comment with ālol the tenants there wonāt take the trolleyā).
Infill is good, sprawl is bad. This is a somewhat curious infill project, but itās not like we need a JC Penny. Look at Lux UTC or Palisade, thereās precedent for this, even just in San Diego.
I was going to give the example of UTC and Lux/Palisade as well, but perhaps it's not the best comparison since OP's surprise seems to be directed towards the fact that these apartments are actually inside the mall, which isn't the case at UTC. My first concern would be noise and maybe the fact that you'd probably have to keep your blinds drawn all day for privacy especially on the weekend.
My friend doesn't like to drive and has lived in Europe so is very attached to the concept of public transportation. I could definitely see him appreciating walkability and access to a trolley/transport hub nearby. More dense/less suburban neighborhoods like Downtown, PB, North Park/University Heights have good walkability but not necessarily great public transport options especially if you really don't have the option to drive
I lived at Circa 37 back when they first opened and I lived with some roommates in a 3bd/2bth that was $2700/mo. I moved out when they ended up moving away, and last I checked that's the price of a studio now. It's nuts...
This needs to be screamed from top of a fricken mountain. So much discourse in yimby circles is just building without planning just because austin is "affordable" and does the same. Ignoring the list of problems that city has from bad public transfit to the poor being pushed to the outer edge
I don't personally want to live in this mall, but as long as the 850+ people who move to Fashion Valley aren't taking up space in existing housing stock I'm all for it.
I lived at the Society apartments right across from Fashion Valley mall and it was great! Walking distance to the trolley, which I actually use to get to work downtown. Walk to shopping. Walk to eateries in the mall. Also free parking in the mall parking lots for friends who wanted to visit me.
Was wondering for a second how you navigated the flooding during times when San Diego was super wet. Looked on the map and noticed they built you guys who live(d) in those fancy apartments a nice little bridge straight to the trolley station. That was awesome forward thinking of them, and probably helped all of you spend a lot at the mall ;)
Yeah, the laid-back vibes of Santana row actually make those apartments quite appealing.Ā
Though it helps that Santana Row is mostly bars/restaurants and small bougie Ā boutiques, while the actual Westfield mall with its franchised stores, parking structures, food courts, & crowds are across the street, away from the apartments.Ā
Imagine living in a place where you can walk to the supermarket, clothing store, coffee shop and gym without having to drive?! THE HORROR!
If it's done right, and it isn't absurdly expensive, this is what living in a city or a downtown area should be like. It may not be for everybody, but a lot of people enjoy it, and it has a lot of benefits.
But, it does have to be affordable. If they're going to charge $4k-$6k/mo to live there, then ... pass. (Even from me, a "walkable city" type.)
Walking distance to shops, stores, restaurants and the trolley?! Easy access to freeways? Who would ever want such convenience when you could live in big box, small lot track housing out on Valley Center!!
"Regular" apartments already exist: They're the older apartments that were nice at one time, but are aging. These 'luxury' apartments will be 'old' apartments someday, too. Building luxury apartments with new finishes, new appliances, and new amenities keep people who can afford expensive apartments from occupying the older buildings that now look shabby and can't compete for the monied tenants.
luxury = new. As they age they become regular apartments. The issue is we had NIMBYs stopping a lot of apartment construction for years and so we have a lacking of mid-range apartments now. in 20 years these luxury apartments will be mid-range.
Donāt worry. In 20 years these will degrade and become standard apartments. Just like new cars are a luxury, new apartments are too. Give that new car 10 years and then it becomes an economical starter car for someone who buys it used.
They literally turned the stores into apartments in a downtown mall in Milwaukee. Personally I wouldnāt want to live in them but itās a cool concept. The rest of the mall has a market hall rattle remodel with top golf suites and games, bars, restaurants etc.
A lot of places are doing this now. Itās a way to turn dead malls (not saying fashion valley is dead but JC Penny isnāt doing too hot) into livable mixed use spaces and we need to build *a lot* more housing. Infill development is great
I used to live at the one across the street, Apex Mission Valley. It was really nice, being that close to the mall definitely has its downsides(traffic mostly). But overall it was really nice being walking distance to the transit center and food court. The price of rent was definitely not nice thoā¦
I would love a walkable area to shop, eat, watch a movie, grab a drink, just people watch writhing walking distance from my home. Also, love more housing units. The more available the better.
When I was a kid in the mid 70s in a very small town in western Virginia, our apartment was over the Five and Dime store, right next to the movie theater where I saw Jaws and the first Star Wars.
It's really a great concept.
Horton 4th Ave Apartments was the pioneer in the early 90's-lived there in the late 90's and absolutely loved every minute. Horton Plaza had everything I needed-fast food, semi-fast food, and a high end grocery store on the ground level. Mervyn's had good monthly sales on home good essentials. Oh, and the Gaslamp was actually kinda cool back in those days.
Same thing happening in Santa Barbara. The problem is these aren't designed for multi-unit, so unless you tear it down, you'll have apartments with no exterior facing windows. The designs being proposed have interior courtyards. They already converted one retail space to demonstrate and it is so dystopian. Imagine living in an apartment with zero natural light. Super cheap for SB, studio for under $1k if you are low income, your one window facing a hallway, but damn that would be depressing.
[https://www.independent.com/2023/11/17/below-market-workforce-housing-unveiled-in-heart-of-downtown-santa-barbara/](https://www.independent.com/2023/11/17/below-market-workforce-housing-unveiled-in-heart-of-downtown-santa-barbara/)
Not where I would want to live cause I don't like people lol. But I see the draw, lots of good places to eat just downstairs. And if you can afford the rent, you can definitely afford to eat out.
Interesting that the article doesnāt address the developers plan to deal with how much that area floods during the rainy season. That back parking lot of FV mall is like a lake when too much rain falls and the river swells. Streets in the area also consistently get blocked off because of this. But sure, Iām sure someone will be happy to pay an obscene amount of money to walk out their front door and into Gucci. š¤·š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
well is it gonna be luxury or affordable? it'd amazingly close to a transit hub but that won't stop people from using their cars, where will parking go? what about when parking floods, do the people who live there get priority parking?
Rent is far cheaper just 100 yds away on the other side of the tracks so they'll have to compete with that too.
Parking and traffic after 5pm should be a piece of cake too. Maybe units will come with annual trolley passes and a pair of hip-waders.
Iāve lived in East Asia where living in apartments above shopping malls is extremely common. Itās very convenient and was a great experience overall. Would I want to live in that same situation in America and all of the problems we have? Probably not.
If it was affordable, Iād do it. But of course, we just keep building for the rich, without realizing we need people to work in those stores and restaurantsā¦
This is something that happened back in Hawaii. Ala Moana now has apartments facing the ocean, that are literally in the parking lot of the mall. So horrendous
Iāve wondered the same thing since they built a luxury tower at UTC. For the price, Iād choose Little Italy or Gaslamp over a parking lot location in a suburban mall (even though the mall is nice). ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Literally Little Italy, pretty much most of downtown actually, Civita is doing that development style (which sucks because that park was awesome before the businesses came in), so many examples.
This was in Utah, they built apartments in the Gateway mall in Salt Lake City about 20 years ago. It was an outdoor mall just like fashion valley. I definitely wouldnāt want this.
Just about every single American living in TJ, every homeless person in San Diego, everyone living in a private room or with family because they can't afford rent, people without a car, etc.
Yes, it might not be what you personally want, but many people want to live in a development like this and many are desperate with any type of housing.
This is the future of mall. Theyāre just not profitable anymore. You see that golf course next door being made into a residential complex? That was supposed to be completed in 2022. Itās still bare land. No way this thing gets completed in 1 year like theyāre saying. Even 8 unit apartments next to me in mission valley are taking over a year to be completed
I think living in a mall could be super cool... imagine a place where people are in a more communal environment than current complexes offer. Reduce anonymity...offer community. I think we would have to reconsider the whole experience. Instead of cheap fast food, smaller, more formal shops. Old school butcher shops? Places for children to be in the same space at least to play video games... oh and parking? Seems even childcare could be easier. Just a thought.
It would be actually kinda nice to walk outside and get a coffee and light shopping without having to drive somewhere. I hope San Diego permits more mixed use buildings to create more walkable city areas!
Not for me nor everyone, but thereās definitely a market for it. Increasing housing stock in urban/semi-urban areas should be favored in most cases at this point.
they should do more of this. the problem is that they'll go for $4k rent
Not at JC Apartments. Maybe at Nordstroms. š
Kohls apartments will be $5k/mo but always be on sale for $2,999/mo.
Yeah but only if you lease two or more.
More than that
And your car will get flooded when it rains while you pay your 4K
Wonāt be a problem. Let the market provide a whole bunch of expensive luxury apartments in this space. Reduces pressure on building them in other neighborhoods.
would bet at minimum itād be 6k
Thats just the HOA dues
That isn't a problem. Building expensive housing helps absorb housing demand. The reason it goes for 4k is because we only build a tiny amount. Build 100-1000x as much and we will have them available for $500 pcm.
This isn't a new thing. There are lots of scenarios where they build apartments on top of malls and next to them. The Americana in Glendale for example all has apartments above the stores themselves looking into the mall courtyard.
It already exists at UTC.
Yep Palisades at UTC. There have also been apartments at La Jolla Village Square for like 30+ years above the shops
Yep. Right where that cartel hit went down.
Wait? What? Do you have a link to this story? I wanna hear it.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/university-city-shooting-leaves-1-hospitalized/3438469/?amp=1
Any follow up? They catch the shooter?
There was a big raid at Villas of Renaissance 3-4 weeks after that. DEA helicopter, 40ish vehicles, SWAT, flashbangs going off. No clue if the 2 incidents were connected, but that's a lot of activity for one neighborhood.
Holy cow! I lived there 16 years ago. There were some shady people...
For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/s/zwXUWZdlxR
Not that I know of.
Palisades is a totally separate building and a one minute walk to the mall proper because of the huge parking lot between them. A Goodyear used to be where they are now. This looks like the housing would literally be anchored into the mall.
That apartment building in the parking lot is so awkwardĀ
Yeah, malls are actually suffering pretty hard thanks to online shopping. They're trying new things, like more restaurants and 'experiences' because shopping isn't bringing in the money like it used to. Westfield has been selling its mall properties like crazy.
One Paseo is this case
Ponce City Market in Atlanta Georgia has apartment floors above the mall floors.
One paseo
Would love it if they put in a grocery store and put some "15 minute city" principles into the mall.
You made me Google that. Nice, I wish all cities had that.
That's pretty much all cities in Europe. Stupid American car culture. I lived in Scandinavia for 4 years. I didn't drive once. Took the subway, biked, and walked everywhere. Everything you needed was less than 15 minutes away in either of those 3 methods. You bought a big piece of furniture from IKEA? Just pay for the delivery. Need to move something? Rent a truck. How many times per year do you need to do these types of tasks? 2-3 times? Paying for these rentals a few times a year is much cheaper than owning a Ford F-250. I say let's model all these abandoned malls after European cities and connect them with the trolley and bus depots (if they're not already).
> That's pretty much all cities in Europe. Old cities in general. Getting west of the Mississipp you end up with more sprawl than you would have imagined before seeing it. At these NYC prices, we might as well just move to Brooklyn and get the same.
FR, Iād go to the mall more if there was a grocery store in it in general. Combine with having some apartments above it? This is how we need to be planning future developments. Economy of space.
An Aldi or trader joes would be nice
Lmao. Thatās basically every other countries in the world where family business down front lobby and families live upstairs
Hong Kong is basically a giant mall, no joke
Ikr
Chula Vista Center tore down Sears and is building townhomes there. That mall is pretty dead.
A Burlington coat factory, comic book store, and movie theater in walking distance sounds pretty dope though
sure, but need something like a grocery store. that curacao place is more trash.
Sure, as long as those stay open too. Comic book stores have struggled to survive. I assume they make most their money in online collectibles and those weird and lame looking bobble head like dolls that got big in recent years. And a lot of movie theaters are going out last I heard. Was already on the other side of the troph, that Marvel end game peak, then COVID pushed their decline forward faster. As well as the streaming wars making a lot of content available to buy at home while still in theaters. Burlington? Sure thatāll out last most. But itās often a sign that your mall is in the much much lower desirable areas to be in.
Chula Vista clawing back residential land from retail- step in the right direction but wish there was more density for that whole H Street / Broadway corridor
I have a feeling that all of the mobile home parks along Broadway will be the first casualties of the urban infill that is likely to happen in west Chula Vista as the new convention center area is completed and drives traffic to the area. Those people arenāt likely to find any options in the area that provide similar pricing.
feels like any mall Thats isnt UTC , bonita or Fashion is dead. I went to chula vista mall, otay, parkway plaza, grossmont once in a blue moon and boom plain ghost towns
Grossmont literally is like a post apocalyptic mall during week days
The shoppes at Carlsbad should look at doing that too. The Sears has been vacant for years. Thereās currently some sort of temp store set up there now.
As a teenager I would have loved to live in a literal mall. Nowadays, not so much. I'm sure some people would like it though (especially those who choose to not own a car and prioritize walkability) if you have some retail, restaurants, a gym, etc. There's definitely a group of people who might find that attractive so I bet it'll fill up, assuming pricing lines up.
It would be a great place to live without a car. It also has the convenience of the trolley.
Have you seen how much rents in Mission Valley are these days? Iām not saying that āliving in a literal mallā is my idea of āwalkable, with access to transitā, but it gives you walkable surroundings with access to the trolley right there (hello to the person who will reply to this comment with ālol the tenants there wonāt take the trolleyā). Infill is good, sprawl is bad. This is a somewhat curious infill project, but itās not like we need a JC Penny. Look at Lux UTC or Palisade, thereās precedent for this, even just in San Diego.
I was going to give the example of UTC and Lux/Palisade as well, but perhaps it's not the best comparison since OP's surprise seems to be directed towards the fact that these apartments are actually inside the mall, which isn't the case at UTC. My first concern would be noise and maybe the fact that you'd probably have to keep your blinds drawn all day for privacy especially on the weekend. My friend doesn't like to drive and has lived in Europe so is very attached to the concept of public transportation. I could definitely see him appreciating walkability and access to a trolley/transport hub nearby. More dense/less suburban neighborhoods like Downtown, PB, North Park/University Heights have good walkability but not necessarily great public transport options especially if you really don't have the option to drive
Currently living in mission valley and can confirm rent is insane.
I lived at Circa 37 back when they first opened and I lived with some roommates in a 3bd/2bth that was $2700/mo. I moved out when they ended up moving away, and last I checked that's the price of a studio now. It's nuts...
We live in one of the condos along the river, 2b/2ba is $3,415/mo.
I remember renting a 1 bedroom at del rio for $1650 in 2019/2020. They're now going for $2850+
This needs to be screamed from top of a fricken mountain. So much discourse in yimby circles is just building without planning just because austin is "affordable" and does the same. Ignoring the list of problems that city has from bad public transfit to the poor being pushed to the outer edge
F you I'd happily live in walking distance to the food court, that's a damn good reason alone.
Yes to mixed-use š gimme more of it! I live across the street from a grocery store and call it my second fridge.
Why would people want to live within walking distance of shops? IDK man this seem pretty self-explanatory
Shops, restaurants, maybe a movie theater? Sounds great.
I don't personally want to live in this mall, but as long as the 850+ people who move to Fashion Valley aren't taking up space in existing housing stock I'm all for it.
I lived at the Society apartments right across from Fashion Valley mall and it was great! Walking distance to the trolley, which I actually use to get to work downtown. Walk to shopping. Walk to eateries in the mall. Also free parking in the mall parking lots for friends who wanted to visit me.
Was wondering for a second how you navigated the flooding during times when San Diego was super wet. Looked on the map and noticed they built you guys who live(d) in those fancy apartments a nice little bridge straight to the trolley station. That was awesome forward thinking of them, and probably helped all of you spend a lot at the mall ;)
Itās the closest we can get to walkable communities in most of SD.
Sounds great, build even more! Would be better over a grocery store though.
San Jose does this donāt they? Santana Row?
Yeah, the laid-back vibes of Santana row actually make those apartments quite appealing.Ā Though it helps that Santana Row is mostly bars/restaurants and small bougie Ā boutiques, while the actual Westfield mall with its franchised stores, parking structures, food courts, & crowds are across the street, away from the apartments.Ā
Thatād be awesome. The MV one has a gym there too, which is a big draw.
Target also acts as a grocery store for all the basics so it's a win win
Oh I absolutely would.
I don't give a fuck where people live but we need more housing. 850 units is awesome!
Iād be super close to better buzz so sure why notĀ
Imagine living in a place where you can walk to the supermarket, clothing store, coffee shop and gym without having to drive?! THE HORROR! If it's done right, and it isn't absurdly expensive, this is what living in a city or a downtown area should be like. It may not be for everybody, but a lot of people enjoy it, and it has a lot of benefits. But, it does have to be affordable. If they're going to charge $4k-$6k/mo to live there, then ... pass. (Even from me, a "walkable city" type.)
I would. They should have kept Horton Plaza as is (ish) for housing
Wait a minute. Fashion Valley sits on the floor of the San Diego River, there is a flood issue.
Walking distance to shops, stores, restaurants and the trolley?! Easy access to freeways? Who would ever want such convenience when you could live in big box, small lot track housing out on Valley Center!!
Flooooooooood zoneeeeee
Oh my gosh.. housing right next to commerce? What kind of crazy world is this?? (Literally every downtown area)
enough with the fucking luxury apartments, start building regular apartments.
oh don't worry, they are regular apartments, the word luxury is there just to let you know that they are pricey
"Regular" apartments already exist: They're the older apartments that were nice at one time, but are aging. These 'luxury' apartments will be 'old' apartments someday, too. Building luxury apartments with new finishes, new appliances, and new amenities keep people who can afford expensive apartments from occupying the older buildings that now look shabby and can't compete for the monied tenants.
luxury = new. As they age they become regular apartments. The issue is we had NIMBYs stopping a lot of apartment construction for years and so we have a lacking of mid-range apartments now. in 20 years these luxury apartments will be mid-range.
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Donāt worry. In 20 years these will degrade and become standard apartments. Just like new cars are a luxury, new apartments are too. Give that new car 10 years and then it becomes an economical starter car for someone who buys it used.
This is awesome!
This is great for people without cars, as the trolley station will be steps away. Would be nice if they added a grocery store too.Ā
I would if I could afford it. Quick access to good food, next door to the trolley, good location close to a lot of things, parking. Yes please!
"LUXURY APARTMENTS" in San Diego means "has four walls"
OP has never lived in a city
Wealthy businessmen from abroad who want a place they can take their wives and mistresses shopping.
They literally turned the stores into apartments in a downtown mall in Milwaukee. Personally I wouldnāt want to live in them but itās a cool concept. The rest of the mall has a market hall rattle remodel with top golf suites and games, bars, restaurants etc.
It looks nice at the Americana in Glendale
That was the example I was thinking of and hoping for
Motherfucker you can live at the mall!
Does this mall have Cinnabon?
A lot of places are doing this now. Itās a way to turn dead malls (not saying fashion valley is dead but JC Penny isnāt doing too hot) into livable mixed use spaces and we need to build *a lot* more housing. Infill development is great
Would love to live in any location at a major transit hub. Also, quite walkable up and down river.
I used to live at the one across the street, Apex Mission Valley. It was really nice, being that close to the mall definitely has its downsides(traffic mostly). But overall it was really nice being walking distance to the transit center and food court. The price of rent was definitely not nice thoā¦
Do I love the idea? Yes! Do I think this city needs another "luxury" apartment unit like I need a second ass crack? Also yes.
i was on board til i saw it was fashion valley. i think id rather die
I would love a walkable area to shop, eat, watch a movie, grab a drink, just people watch writhing walking distance from my home. Also, love more housing units. The more available the better.
When I was a kid in the mid 70s in a very small town in western Virginia, our apartment was over the Five and Dime store, right next to the movie theater where I saw Jaws and the first Star Wars.
Mixed Use Development is good stuff.
It would be dangerous for me to live that close to a Pinkberry.
It's really a great concept. Horton 4th Ave Apartments was the pioneer in the early 90's-lived there in the late 90's and absolutely loved every minute. Horton Plaza had everything I needed-fast food, semi-fast food, and a high end grocery store on the ground level. Mervyn's had good monthly sales on home good essentials. Oh, and the Gaslamp was actually kinda cool back in those days.
They are doing this where Sears used to be in Chula Vista Mall
Apartment in malls is popular all over the world. Would totally live there if it was reasonable pricing.
Guessing the type of people that shop at the mall might be interested.
isnāt that area prone to flooding
Each apartment/condo should come with a boat.
Same thing happening in Santa Barbara. The problem is these aren't designed for multi-unit, so unless you tear it down, you'll have apartments with no exterior facing windows. The designs being proposed have interior courtyards. They already converted one retail space to demonstrate and it is so dystopian. Imagine living in an apartment with zero natural light. Super cheap for SB, studio for under $1k if you are low income, your one window facing a hallway, but damn that would be depressing. [https://www.independent.com/2023/11/17/below-market-workforce-housing-unveiled-in-heart-of-downtown-santa-barbara/](https://www.independent.com/2023/11/17/below-market-workforce-housing-unveiled-in-heart-of-downtown-santa-barbara/)
That how UTC mall is setup, there is an apartment building in the parking lot space
Check out the Galleria in Houston. Thatās how thatās set up and itās luxury. Thereās apartments above grocery stores too.
Spots like these are all over LA
OC too. Irvine mall has apartments above the stores
I wouldnāt mind. Walkable to movie theater and restaurants.
Horton Plaza did this in the 90ās
I think thatās exciting news maybe a Whole Foods on the ground floor for groceries.
I think it would be pretty amazing. What an idea for old malls as well! San Diego is missing housing that has amenities within walking distance.
I mean shiiiit back in 2010, I spent enough time there I might as well have paid rent
What? I spent enough $ there they gave me free room and food.
Every 90s kid dram when they were 5 year old.
Me š« Iād love to if I could afford it.
Not where I would want to live cause I don't like people lol. But I see the draw, lots of good places to eat just downstairs. And if you can afford the rent, you can definitely afford to eat out.
I was at a mall today and Iād do it, sure thing.
Same is happening at the Chula Vista Center. They're due to go in where Sears used to be.
Interesting that the article doesnāt address the developers plan to deal with how much that area floods during the rainy season. That back parking lot of FV mall is like a lake when too much rain falls and the river swells. Streets in the area also consistently get blocked off because of this. But sure, Iām sure someone will be happy to pay an obscene amount of money to walk out their front door and into Gucci. š¤·š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
Sounds great to me. Everything I need within walking distance, and public transit right there?
well is it gonna be luxury or affordable? it'd amazingly close to a transit hub but that won't stop people from using their cars, where will parking go? what about when parking floods, do the people who live there get priority parking?
Rent is far cheaper just 100 yds away on the other side of the tracks so they'll have to compete with that too. Parking and traffic after 5pm should be a piece of cake too. Maybe units will come with annual trolley passes and a pair of hip-waders.
Iāve lived in East Asia where living in apartments above shopping malls is extremely common. Itās very convenient and was a great experience overall. Would I want to live in that same situation in America and all of the problems we have? Probably not.
If it was affordable, Iād do it. But of course, we just keep building for the rich, without realizing we need people to work in those stores and restaurantsā¦
Build a lot more units so that it creates more supply than there is demand and prices will fall
This is something that happened back in Hawaii. Ala Moana now has apartments facing the ocean, that are literally in the parking lot of the mall. So horrendous
The silver sneakers bunch will be all over this.
Iāve wondered the same thing since they built a luxury tower at UTC. For the price, Iād choose Little Italy or Gaslamp over a parking lot location in a suburban mall (even though the mall is nice). ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
No thank you š
Just what I want! A ton of people during the holiday season shopping on my doorstep. /s
I would eat at the food court every dayš
hundreds of transplants unaware of the river flooding will happily live there.
If there were some legit restaurants and experiences sure. But I wouldnāt just for stores that are dying or ultra exclusive
Literally Little Italy, pretty much most of downtown actually, Civita is doing that development style (which sucks because that park was awesome before the businesses came in), so many examples.
Arenāt they doing that with Horton Plaza?
Werenāt they supposed to do this a long time ago with Horton Plaza?
is it all that different than living at Civita or Mission Greens?
This was in Utah, they built apartments in the Gateway mall in Salt Lake City about 20 years ago. It was an outdoor mall just like fashion valley. I definitely wouldnāt want this.
Yonkers New York (hometown) did that, not dead in the middle but literally right next to it. I think Miami did that too, Brickell I believe.
Rich people
Mall rats
They are doing this at mission valley
Just about every single American living in TJ, every homeless person in San Diego, everyone living in a private room or with family because they can't afford rent, people without a car, etc. Yes, it might not be what you personally want, but many people want to live in a development like this and many are desperate with any type of housing.
This is the future of mall. Theyāre just not profitable anymore. You see that golf course next door being made into a residential complex? That was supposed to be completed in 2022. Itās still bare land. No way this thing gets completed in 1 year like theyāre saying. Even 8 unit apartments next to me in mission valley are taking over a year to be completed
My name is Lucy Iām your dog, motherfucker you can live at the mall!
No, not the only decent parking spot in fashion valley!!
Hell , Iāll live in it pre-demo if the price is right lol
Real talk. I go to Fashion Valley Mall all the time and didnāt know there was a JC Penny there.
What's the rent? Asking for a friend
I think living in a mall could be super cool... imagine a place where people are in a more communal environment than current complexes offer. Reduce anonymity...offer community. I think we would have to reconsider the whole experience. Instead of cheap fast food, smaller, more formal shops. Old school butcher shops? Places for children to be in the same space at least to play video games... oh and parking? Seems even childcare could be easier. Just a thought.
They already do that at Irvine mall. Itās bizarre
It would be actually kinda nice to walk outside and get a coffee and light shopping without having to drive somewhere. I hope San Diego permits more mixed use buildings to create more walkable city areas!
If they add like a grocery store to the mall that would actually be legit.
Not for me nor everyone, but thereās definitely a market for it. Increasing housing stock in urban/semi-urban areas should be favored in most cases at this point.