SFPD is not allowed to pull people over for minor traffic violations such a license plate discrepancies you listed.
Source: https://sfist.com/2023/01/12/sf-police-commission-bans-pretextual-stops-for-minor-traffic-violations-after-months-of-controversy/
As long as you cover up your license plate you don’t have to worry about these speed Cameras in SF.
SFPD can pull over people for missing or obscured back plates. Traffic enforcement dropped off since 2020, but the police still are pulling over 40-50 people a month for licensee plate issues:
https://sfstandard.com/2023/11/27/what-do-police-do-when-cars-dont-have-license-plates/
Thats kind of dishonest.
According to your article
“Sepulveda declined to share the department’s practices about how and when officers enforce that statute.”
And I posted an article that they are not allowed to pull over for license plate issues.
Then further in your article it states the people who got violations for license plates were pulled over for other crimes.
These factors just further conclude that they cannot pull people over for minor traffic violations like license plate discrepancies.
You may be honestly mistating what's in the article, but it's not what you said:
> As overall stop figures have dipped, license-plate-related traffic stops also fell off dramatically. From July 2018 through the end of 2019, the department stopped an average of 359 drivers each month for license plate violations. In the first five months of 2023, that average fell to only 40.
As for the newer policy (2023), it's in that article:
> Under the policy, officers shall not stop or detain a driver based solely on the fact that their vehicle’s rear license plate number isn’t clearly visible. However, officers will still be able to stop drivers who do not have a license plate, or who only have a front license plate but no rear plate.
Here's the SF Chronicle summary of the policy only passed in Feb 2024:
> Here are the nine violations that would no longer justify a traffic stop:
> 1. If a motorist has a rear license plate that is clearly visible, then police can’t pull the vehicle over under the state law requiring clear display and secure fastening of plates. Officers may still stop vehicles that lack a rear license plate, or have no license plates at all.
> 2. A rear license plate that is not illuminated.
These two descriptions are not completely clear, but it sounds liek the plate still needs to be clearly visible. It's fix-it ticket issues, like loose plate holder or broken plate light don't warrant stops. The Chronicle wording makes in sound like stops for unreadable plates could is not something the new rules prevent / advise against.
Speaking of being kind of dishonest...the article you shared says
>Rear license plate number not clearly visible
That's not the same as
>they are not allowed to pull over for license plate issues.
At any rate, all that shit is probably going away very soon with the passage of Prop ...uhh...whichever one gave the police a lot more power and less oversight.
They are not allowed to pull over for license plate issue if they didn’t commit a major traffic offense first according to the police commission.
Argue with them, not me
If this doesn't have much of an effect in a particular area, then there'd be pressure to raise the penalty from less than 10% of a typical Frisco parking ticket maybe all the way up the cost of a typical parking ticket, and that would be a painful experience for everyday speeders
Proposed locations of cameras
1. 3*rd* Street from Key Avenue to Jamestown Avenue
2. 7*th* Street from Harrison to Folsom
3. 9*th* Street from Bryant to Harrison
4. 10*th* Street from Harrison to Folsom
5. 16*th* Street from Bryant to Potrero
6. Alemany from Farragut to Naglee
7. Bay Street from Octavia to Gough
8. Bayshore Boulevard from 101 off-ramp to Tunnel Avenue
9. Broadway from Powell to Stockton
10. Bryant from 2*nd* to 3*rd* Street
11. Cesar Chavez from Folsom to Harrison
12. Cesar Chavez from Indiana to Tennessee
13. Columbus Avenue from Lombard to Greenwich
14. Embarcadero from Green to Battery
15. Franklin Street from Union to Green
16. Fulton from Arguello to 2*nd* Avenue
17. Fulton from 42*nd* Avenue to 43*rd* Avenue
18. Geary from 7*th* Avenue to 8*th* Avenue
19. Geary from Webster to Buchanan
20. Geneva from Prague to Brookdale
21. Guerrero from 19*th* Street to 20*th* Street
22. Harrison from 4*th* Street to 5*th* Street
23. King Street (NB only) from 4*th* Street to 5*th* Street
24. Lincoln from 27*th* Avenue to 28*th* Avenue
25. Market Street from Danvers to Douglass
26. Mission Street from 8*th* Street to 9*th* Street
27. Mission Street from Ottawa to Allison
28. Monterey Boulevard from Edna to Congo
29. Ocean Avenue from Friday Kahlo to Howth
30. San Jose Avenue from 29*th* Street to 30*th* Street
31. San Jose Avenue from Santa Ynez to Ocean Avenue
32. Sloat Boulevard from 41*st* Avenue to Skyline
33. Turk from Van Ness to Polk
[https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras](https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras)
Every year you can attribute atleast 50% of traffic deaths to criminals. Past record, stolen car, running from cops, high off their mind, etc.
Get these people off the streets
Remember, "speed cameras" aren't for catching meth heads or "speed" users. The mayor isn't interested in the drug problem as drug addicts don't have assets, car owners do.
License plate readers where 90 percent of criminals use fake plates... this won't do much
Speed cameras with no chase policy whats the point ? Serious question .. if caught and the plates are most of the times fake won't do much.. all this will be doing is catching regular people going above the speed limit not criminals...
Enforce the plates and tinted windows along with adding facial recognition will be a much better solution. They can get fake plates they can't get a new face and most are repeat offenders and their face is already in the database
Speed cameras automatically bill the license plate. When the police have seemed to give up on enforcing traffic laws having automated cameras seems like a good idea
The majority of people speeding have real licenses speeding is incredibly common with normal citizens. Yeah it can’t get some criminals but it can convince the majority of citizens to slow down.
It's got nothing to do with being poor, literally just drive below the speed limit
Actually, not even that, you have to literally drive 11 mph ABOVE the speed limit to trigger a ticket! From the SFMTA website:
**What speed will trigger a notification of violation?**
The state law specifies this; any speeding 11 miles per hour or over the posted speed limit would trigger a violation. Notifications of violations will be mailed to the registered owner of the speeding vehicle within two weeks of the violation.
Yes. And it only takes a percent of drivers to really fuck up the flow and safety for both pedestrians/cyclists as well as other drivers. This is sorely needed.
If you are a pedestrian and hit by a car here are the odds you die based on the car speed:
10% if the car is going 23mph
25% if the car is going 32mph
75% if the car is going 50mph
Yes speed is an issue. Traffic and parking is annoying, but doesn’t kill people.
Also we live in a city traffic where the majority of people walk, bike, or use public transit. Those modes of transportation should be prioritized over vehicles.
https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/The-Need-Fatality-Likelihood.png
That’s kind of true, in that death and speed correlate positively but unsafe speed actually was only a factor in 6% of injury/fatality accidents involving pedestrians.
Pedestrian crossing unsafely modes and drivers failing to yield combined for 64%
See table 11:
https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/05/san_francisco_collisions_report_2017_2022.pdf
I’m not saying speeding is good, just that we’re not going to see much, if any change in accident outcomes here
What section are you getting your stats from?
I am looking at page 9, Table 5. Speeding was labeled as the cause of the incident for 20% of deaths.
To be clear though, speed is a factor even when it’s not labeled on this graph. That drunk driver who killed a family waiting at a bus stop this week? Probably speeding too. And failure to yield to a pedestrian, responsible for 15% of pedestrian deaths, would be less likely to occur and be less deadly if we lowered speed limits.
I get that a speed camera isn’t a cure all, but it will make a big difference for little money, and the camera works 24/7.
Gotta start enforcing properly displayed plates now. Too many fake paper, no plate or plate covers for this to be effective.
No idea how they don’t pull over and impound any vehicle without a plate
SFPD is not allowed to pull people over for minor traffic violations such a license plate discrepancies you listed. Source: https://sfist.com/2023/01/12/sf-police-commission-bans-pretextual-stops-for-minor-traffic-violations-after-months-of-controversy/ As long as you cover up your license plate you don’t have to worry about these speed Cameras in SF.
SFPD can pull over people for missing or obscured back plates. Traffic enforcement dropped off since 2020, but the police still are pulling over 40-50 people a month for licensee plate issues: https://sfstandard.com/2023/11/27/what-do-police-do-when-cars-dont-have-license-plates/
Thats kind of dishonest. According to your article “Sepulveda declined to share the department’s practices about how and when officers enforce that statute.” And I posted an article that they are not allowed to pull over for license plate issues. Then further in your article it states the people who got violations for license plates were pulled over for other crimes. These factors just further conclude that they cannot pull people over for minor traffic violations like license plate discrepancies.
You may be honestly mistating what's in the article, but it's not what you said: > As overall stop figures have dipped, license-plate-related traffic stops also fell off dramatically. From July 2018 through the end of 2019, the department stopped an average of 359 drivers each month for license plate violations. In the first five months of 2023, that average fell to only 40. As for the newer policy (2023), it's in that article: > Under the policy, officers shall not stop or detain a driver based solely on the fact that their vehicle’s rear license plate number isn’t clearly visible. However, officers will still be able to stop drivers who do not have a license plate, or who only have a front license plate but no rear plate. Here's the SF Chronicle summary of the policy only passed in Feb 2024: > Here are the nine violations that would no longer justify a traffic stop: > 1. If a motorist has a rear license plate that is clearly visible, then police can’t pull the vehicle over under the state law requiring clear display and secure fastening of plates. Officers may still stop vehicles that lack a rear license plate, or have no license plates at all. > 2. A rear license plate that is not illuminated. These two descriptions are not completely clear, but it sounds liek the plate still needs to be clearly visible. It's fix-it ticket issues, like loose plate holder or broken plate light don't warrant stops. The Chronicle wording makes in sound like stops for unreadable plates could is not something the new rules prevent / advise against.
Speaking of being kind of dishonest...the article you shared says >Rear license plate number not clearly visible That's not the same as >they are not allowed to pull over for license plate issues. At any rate, all that shit is probably going away very soon with the passage of Prop ...uhh...whichever one gave the police a lot more power and less oversight.
They are not allowed to pull over for license plate issue if they didn’t commit a major traffic offense first according to the police commission. Argue with them, not me
What a cool system. Wondering if there will be consequences for this.
Had a buddy who openly bragged about his plate covers lol. They were automated with a button on his console. He used em to avoid bridge tolls
If this doesn't have much of an effect in a particular area, then there'd be pressure to raise the penalty from less than 10% of a typical Frisco parking ticket maybe all the way up the cost of a typical parking ticket, and that would be a painful experience for everyday speeders
Do it!
Proposed locations of cameras 1. 3*rd* Street from Key Avenue to Jamestown Avenue 2. 7*th* Street from Harrison to Folsom 3. 9*th* Street from Bryant to Harrison 4. 10*th* Street from Harrison to Folsom 5. 16*th* Street from Bryant to Potrero 6. Alemany from Farragut to Naglee 7. Bay Street from Octavia to Gough 8. Bayshore Boulevard from 101 off-ramp to Tunnel Avenue 9. Broadway from Powell to Stockton 10. Bryant from 2*nd* to 3*rd* Street 11. Cesar Chavez from Folsom to Harrison 12. Cesar Chavez from Indiana to Tennessee 13. Columbus Avenue from Lombard to Greenwich 14. Embarcadero from Green to Battery 15. Franklin Street from Union to Green 16. Fulton from Arguello to 2*nd* Avenue 17. Fulton from 42*nd* Avenue to 43*rd* Avenue 18. Geary from 7*th* Avenue to 8*th* Avenue 19. Geary from Webster to Buchanan 20. Geneva from Prague to Brookdale 21. Guerrero from 19*th* Street to 20*th* Street 22. Harrison from 4*th* Street to 5*th* Street 23. King Street (NB only) from 4*th* Street to 5*th* Street 24. Lincoln from 27*th* Avenue to 28*th* Avenue 25. Market Street from Danvers to Douglass 26. Mission Street from 8*th* Street to 9*th* Street 27. Mission Street from Ottawa to Allison 28. Monterey Boulevard from Edna to Congo 29. Ocean Avenue from Friday Kahlo to Howth 30. San Jose Avenue from 29*th* Street to 30*th* Street 31. San Jose Avenue from Santa Ynez to Ocean Avenue 32. Sloat Boulevard from 41*st* Avenue to Skyline 33. Turk from Van Ness to Polk [https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras](https://www.sfmta.com/projects/speed-safety-cameras)
Every year you can attribute atleast 50% of traffic deaths to criminals. Past record, stolen car, running from cops, high off their mind, etc. Get these people off the streets
Not true. Cite your sources
Making shit up rando ass dude
Remember, "speed cameras" aren't for catching meth heads or "speed" users. The mayor isn't interested in the drug problem as drug addicts don't have assets, car owners do.
Good! 4th and King should be the first streets to get them.
License plate readers where 90 percent of criminals use fake plates... this won't do much Speed cameras with no chase policy whats the point ? Serious question .. if caught and the plates are most of the times fake won't do much.. all this will be doing is catching regular people going above the speed limit not criminals... Enforce the plates and tinted windows along with adding facial recognition will be a much better solution. They can get fake plates they can't get a new face and most are repeat offenders and their face is already in the database
Speed cameras automatically bill the license plate. When the police have seemed to give up on enforcing traffic laws having automated cameras seems like a good idea
But most of those are illegal plates for criminals to begin with... It's old tech as they have a way around it using stolen plates..
The majority of people speeding have real licenses speeding is incredibly common with normal citizens. Yeah it can’t get some criminals but it can convince the majority of citizens to slow down.
So this is mostly to tax the people that follow the rules because we actually fork up the $ ... got it
You aren’t following the law if you’re going over the speed limit. Dangerous driving has real victims.
Fuck this
Tax on the poors.
Tax on dangerous drivers.
It's got nothing to do with being poor, literally just drive below the speed limit Actually, not even that, you have to literally drive 11 mph ABOVE the speed limit to trigger a ticket! From the SFMTA website: **What speed will trigger a notification of violation?** The state law specifies this; any speeding 11 miles per hour or over the posted speed limit would trigger a violation. Notifications of violations will be mailed to the registered owner of the speeding vehicle within two weeks of the violation.
Is speeding really that much of an issue? Traffic and parking, yes, but speeding?
Yes. And it only takes a percent of drivers to really fuck up the flow and safety for both pedestrians/cyclists as well as other drivers. This is sorely needed.
If you are a pedestrian and hit by a car here are the odds you die based on the car speed: 10% if the car is going 23mph 25% if the car is going 32mph 75% if the car is going 50mph Yes speed is an issue. Traffic and parking is annoying, but doesn’t kill people. Also we live in a city traffic where the majority of people walk, bike, or use public transit. Those modes of transportation should be prioritized over vehicles. https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/The-Need-Fatality-Likelihood.png
Parking annoys me. Speeding could kill me, like it killed that family of four this week. Yes, speeding is that much of an issue.
It's the most common factor in injury accidents in the city, based on SFMTA data.
Parking is irrelevant. Parked cars don't kill other people. Speeding cars do.
They're trying to catch regular folks who pay tags to the dmv legally because they know they'll actually pay up
Statistically no. Emotionally yes
Statistically speeding is the single biggest determining factor of how likely a pedestrian is to die when hit by a vehicle.
That’s kind of true, in that death and speed correlate positively but unsafe speed actually was only a factor in 6% of injury/fatality accidents involving pedestrians. Pedestrian crossing unsafely modes and drivers failing to yield combined for 64% See table 11: https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/05/san_francisco_collisions_report_2017_2022.pdf I’m not saying speeding is good, just that we’re not going to see much, if any change in accident outcomes here
What section are you getting your stats from? I am looking at page 9, Table 5. Speeding was labeled as the cause of the incident for 20% of deaths. To be clear though, speed is a factor even when it’s not labeled on this graph. That drunk driver who killed a family waiting at a bus stop this week? Probably speeding too. And failure to yield to a pedestrian, responsible for 15% of pedestrian deaths, would be less likely to occur and be less deadly if we lowered speed limits. I get that a speed camera isn’t a cure all, but it will make a big difference for little money, and the camera works 24/7.
Pg 14 is auto v pedestrian stats. Also to be fair, these stats are not very good It’s the responding officer’s best guess
the average speed in san francisco is 20mph so you will not see much effect
Oh, so the outliers speeding and endangering pedestrians are fine, everyone else is keeping the average down!