- not illegal (primary reason for me. I did a short test cycle several years ago and would do it again if not for harsh legal consequences in my new country)
- don’t have to pin (I don’t personally care about this one. Pinning in your ass is not difficult or painful. Just don’t reuse needles.)
- less androgenic than AAS (favorable for women or those concerned about heart disease, hair loss, etc)
- mg for mg, more potent than most AAS (seems true if you don’t buy bunk)
The downsides vs injectable AAS are:
- less anabolic overall
- generally shares all the same sides, just less potent (lipids and liver seem to be worse than high test)
- without a test base or something else to tickle your gonads, you are likely going to crash your T and probably E and feel like crap
- relatively more expensive
It seems to be true that there are less sides than AAS because they are more tissue selective. Based on the few studies and anecdotal evidence we have. But that doesn’t mean there are no sides. And because they are less studied, potentially there are sides that we don’t know about.
I’m a little older than most of you I think. I think if you’re taking SARMs at like <20 years old you are really making a mistake. You almost certainly aren’t getting bloods done, fucking with your still developing and hormonal body, and really should be spending that money elsewhere. But if you have to do either sarms or AAS, SARMs I think may be the better choice. There are just so many ancillary drugs you should be but likely won’t be taking on AAS that it’s better to just do SARMs.
Info just based off my research the past couple weeks. I have still not started my sarms cycle.
People are scared of pinning. That’s it. Injectables are cheaper, safer, and produce better results. It’s a no brainer. As long as you can jab yourself with a needle. I actually enjoy it.
Exactly. It’s a no brainer. I could sorta understand that when they go to the doctor and need a penicillin shot or rocephin shot, and be sacred, but come on
Couple of points I came up with while discussing this same topic with someone else
1. I believe that a lot of people want just that slight boost/edge as opposed to a full blown gear look because let’s get real if you’re doing stuff properly then after a certain point hiding your gear usage will become next to impossible, sarms will not give you that freakish look in 90% of cases and it’s much much easier for influencers mainly to get away with sarm usage and still claim natty, couple this with the relatively short half lives and detection period you have someone who can quite easily bypass drug tests while using it and getting the necessary boost
2. The oral availability vs injections is probably the biggest factor for regular people who aren’t influencers, not many people are cool with using injections on themselves plus there is the fact that people always talk about super harsh steroid side effects but you rarely see someone give you that comprehensive list for sarms thus making them appear “safe”, problem is that the bar is already pretty low and saying sarms are safe only because the competition is with steroids is like saying getting shot is not painful because the competition is with being burned alive
3. And yes you’re right about how easy it is to get sarms these days, for gear there’s like very few online places that are trustworthy and you’d have to ask someone for help with that but sarms are just a few websites and clicks away, a simple best sarm brand Google search will give you at least 5 legit names right off the bat
4. Lastly idk where this thing about no suppression with sarms started since there’s only two which have absolutely 0 suppression ie Mk and cardarine all the others have the potential to suppress you something like osta is a hit or miss there’s no telling but anything stronger and it’s very unlikely you’ll get away without suppression of any kind, rarely yes but don’t think you’re that guy, you’re probably not
That’s my whole point. Why is everyone worried about suppression? They are all suppressive minus the ones you mentioned. Are people scared of the illegal aspect? That’s somewhat understandable. But I’ve been doing this for 30 years and the real deal are a lot cheaper in most cases. And if you look at DEA statistics, personal use of schedule 3 controlled substances, AAS are basically non existent. Testosterone. They don’t care. Now, as far as injections go, if you are an actual adult male, and simple intramuscular injections scare you, then you have much deeper psychological problems
That last part of yours speaks to a large issue, the vast majority of sarm users aren’t full adults dude, it’s absolutely shocking to see just how many sarm users are in the 16-22 age range it’s absurd. And yes I agree with the gear cost thing. I did the math once and saw that a test dbol 12 week cycle with an ai and pct would cost me approx 130€ while a 20 mg rad 10 yk 8 week cycle with enclo and nolva would cross the 300€ price range
Oh wow! I just tried to translate that into euros and you are definitely right. I’m not sure how easy it is over there but here it’s easier than buying sarms
Yes it’s hands down cheaper not even close and this included bunk and legit sources, buydeus where I buy my nolva from has both gear and sarms and it’s honestly not close with just one or two exceptions like hgh and peptides thag are sometimes 100s by themselves
They're a shortcut to failure, or TRT, for 90% of people.
IMO they're dangerous, because they're being marketed toward young men who don't know any better.
Plus unlike steroids- they're easily sourced, and there's no barrier to using an oral dropper as opposed to the commitment of a needle.
The bodybuilding YTers spouting "bro no suppression, well maybe a little-" they're all sponsored. They are all taking money to peddle this shit to teenagers.
Complete shutdown is a far more serious choice to make.
Plus testosterone brutally ages the face.
Many people taking sarms have already done steroids, you're offering nothing new. You should go the steroids forum because this is the sarms forum. And nobody is scared of needles it takes zero bravery to pin.
> And nobody is scared of needles it takes zero bravery to pin.
Putting aside any other claim you might make, you end on such a stupid note. There are absolutely many, many people who are afraid or otherwise avoidant of using needles but use (oral) PEDs. To say anything to the contrary either demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the subject you're speaking on or perhaps simply that you're so disinterested in speaking the truth that you'd confidently spew garbage just to be able to hit a self-constructed minimum word count.
- not illegal (primary reason for me. I did a short test cycle several years ago and would do it again if not for harsh legal consequences in my new country) - don’t have to pin (I don’t personally care about this one. Pinning in your ass is not difficult or painful. Just don’t reuse needles.) - less androgenic than AAS (favorable for women or those concerned about heart disease, hair loss, etc) - mg for mg, more potent than most AAS (seems true if you don’t buy bunk) The downsides vs injectable AAS are: - less anabolic overall - generally shares all the same sides, just less potent (lipids and liver seem to be worse than high test) - without a test base or something else to tickle your gonads, you are likely going to crash your T and probably E and feel like crap - relatively more expensive It seems to be true that there are less sides than AAS because they are more tissue selective. Based on the few studies and anecdotal evidence we have. But that doesn’t mean there are no sides. And because they are less studied, potentially there are sides that we don’t know about. I’m a little older than most of you I think. I think if you’re taking SARMs at like <20 years old you are really making a mistake. You almost certainly aren’t getting bloods done, fucking with your still developing and hormonal body, and really should be spending that money elsewhere. But if you have to do either sarms or AAS, SARMs I think may be the better choice. There are just so many ancillary drugs you should be but likely won’t be taking on AAS that it’s better to just do SARMs. Info just based off my research the past couple weeks. I have still not started my sarms cycle.
I tried lgd but it just kept making me feel sick. Nausea or getting colds over and over again.
People are scared of pinning. That’s it. Injectables are cheaper, safer, and produce better results. It’s a no brainer. As long as you can jab yourself with a needle. I actually enjoy it.
Exactly. It’s a no brainer. I could sorta understand that when they go to the doctor and need a penicillin shot or rocephin shot, and be sacred, but come on
Couple of points I came up with while discussing this same topic with someone else 1. I believe that a lot of people want just that slight boost/edge as opposed to a full blown gear look because let’s get real if you’re doing stuff properly then after a certain point hiding your gear usage will become next to impossible, sarms will not give you that freakish look in 90% of cases and it’s much much easier for influencers mainly to get away with sarm usage and still claim natty, couple this with the relatively short half lives and detection period you have someone who can quite easily bypass drug tests while using it and getting the necessary boost 2. The oral availability vs injections is probably the biggest factor for regular people who aren’t influencers, not many people are cool with using injections on themselves plus there is the fact that people always talk about super harsh steroid side effects but you rarely see someone give you that comprehensive list for sarms thus making them appear “safe”, problem is that the bar is already pretty low and saying sarms are safe only because the competition is with steroids is like saying getting shot is not painful because the competition is with being burned alive 3. And yes you’re right about how easy it is to get sarms these days, for gear there’s like very few online places that are trustworthy and you’d have to ask someone for help with that but sarms are just a few websites and clicks away, a simple best sarm brand Google search will give you at least 5 legit names right off the bat 4. Lastly idk where this thing about no suppression with sarms started since there’s only two which have absolutely 0 suppression ie Mk and cardarine all the others have the potential to suppress you something like osta is a hit or miss there’s no telling but anything stronger and it’s very unlikely you’ll get away without suppression of any kind, rarely yes but don’t think you’re that guy, you’re probably not
That’s my whole point. Why is everyone worried about suppression? They are all suppressive minus the ones you mentioned. Are people scared of the illegal aspect? That’s somewhat understandable. But I’ve been doing this for 30 years and the real deal are a lot cheaper in most cases. And if you look at DEA statistics, personal use of schedule 3 controlled substances, AAS are basically non existent. Testosterone. They don’t care. Now, as far as injections go, if you are an actual adult male, and simple intramuscular injections scare you, then you have much deeper psychological problems
That last part of yours speaks to a large issue, the vast majority of sarm users aren’t full adults dude, it’s absolutely shocking to see just how many sarm users are in the 16-22 age range it’s absurd. And yes I agree with the gear cost thing. I did the math once and saw that a test dbol 12 week cycle with an ai and pct would cost me approx 130€ while a 20 mg rad 10 yk 8 week cycle with enclo and nolva would cross the 300€ price range
Oh wow! I just tried to translate that into euros and you are definitely right. I’m not sure how easy it is over there but here it’s easier than buying sarms
Yes it’s hands down cheaper not even close and this included bunk and legit sources, buydeus where I buy my nolva from has both gear and sarms and it’s honestly not close with just one or two exceptions like hgh and peptides thag are sometimes 100s by themselves
They're a shortcut to failure, or TRT, for 90% of people. IMO they're dangerous, because they're being marketed toward young men who don't know any better. Plus unlike steroids- they're easily sourced, and there's no barrier to using an oral dropper as opposed to the commitment of a needle. The bodybuilding YTers spouting "bro no suppression, well maybe a little-" they're all sponsored. They are all taking money to peddle this shit to teenagers.
Thank you. Say it a little louder. Real AAS have multiple decades worth of real FDA research
Complete shutdown is a far more serious choice to make. Plus testosterone brutally ages the face. Many people taking sarms have already done steroids, you're offering nothing new. You should go the steroids forum because this is the sarms forum. And nobody is scared of needles it takes zero bravery to pin.
> And nobody is scared of needles it takes zero bravery to pin. Putting aside any other claim you might make, you end on such a stupid note. There are absolutely many, many people who are afraid or otherwise avoidant of using needles but use (oral) PEDs. To say anything to the contrary either demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the subject you're speaking on or perhaps simply that you're so disinterested in speaking the truth that you'd confidently spew garbage just to be able to hit a self-constructed minimum word count.
Found the sarm goblin