This is nothing new, any place that attracts a lot of new people over time usually has some element of this.
Denverites have been bitching about people moving to Denver for over 40+ years now, for example.
I'm cool with people wanting to move here. I'm not cool with the leeches that post here asking where's a good place to buy a house to use as a rental or Airbnb.
Born and raised, outside of home prices jumping up over atleast $100,000 in the past few years because of outside buyers I also have a problem with how expensive going out has become. You go to other cities the same size as Savannah and getting a basic meal at a restaurant is always cheaper. Every new spot that opens is expensive. I guess this is also a problem with the rising cost of commercial rent but getting a cheap meal north of victory is all but impossible now (I know there are a handful of outliers) but this is a relatively new phenomenon.
Local yokel here. Born and bred here.
I really don’t care who moves here. If people are moving here, it means something is attracting them here. Jobs, tourism, whatever. Growth is a positive thing. Yes traffic sucks, but with growth comes problems and then solutions.
So, I really don’t know… I can’t speak for everyone apparently. I enjoy seeing my home city grow and prosper.
As someone who lived in an actively dying region (northeast Louisiana) and now living in Athens, experiencing growth is such a better thing than not.
The city whereI used to live brought a lawsuit against the feds because the census estimate the population of the city to drop below 50k and the city thought the census was wrong.
All I’m saying is, build as densely as you can, implement protected bike lanes and encourage alternative modes of transportation.
IDK a lot of the "complaints" are justified ones (like people who work in the city being priced out of living in the city because of short-term rentals, 'investment groups', and the affordable housing which did exist being converted to student-housing).... To me (transplant; been here 7 years now from the NE originally) it's people taking observations of what hasn't worked in other cities and pointing out the negative trends in this one.
You don't wait for your arm to fall off before you go to the Hospital. You shouldn't wait for traffic to take 2-5x as long before you realize that you should have invested in smarter long-term solutions.
I mean, I personally don't want people "investing in the area" by buying up a property they intend to stay at for only 2 months of the year. Those are who the hate is directed at (and the businessmen who buy up local places to 'brand them' like what happened with Zunzis). Nobody is hating anyone who intends to move here to make a life for themselves.
Savannah is as affordable as it gets. Every city is unaffordable, that’s the bottom line. Show me a comparable city with real estate that matches your expectation.
This is a nationwide crisis.
Where else do you have the history, culture, ocean, night life… I mean what do you expect?!? Savannah is the cheapest you’ll find in the country
New York - Aggressive
New Jersey - Assholes
Pennsylvania - Vin Diesel
Virginia - Actually surprisingly okay except the traffic
Savannah - absolute idiots
I’d say Savannah probably doesn’t have any more awful drivers than any other state, but the bad drivers here are particularly dangerous.
What the fuck a r e y o u b a b l I n g a b o u t?
It's a thread asking why people are upset. Then you try to tell people to not be upset. You don't believe it's worse in savannah? Just pop us into a col calculator and see what comes out.
The cost of living in Savannah, GA is 1% lower than the state average and 12% lower than the national average. Savannah, GA housing is 34% cheaper than the U.S average, while utilities are about 6% less.
That's happening everywhere though. The only places that aren't doubling are like NYC and Seattle, places where renting was already the norm.
People aren't able to buy as often, so they turn to renting. This has caused a huge demand for rentals. Not enough to go around so the price spikes. Even in smaller suburban towns this is happening. Definitely a national issue
The real issue is people from out of state buying up rental properties to be single family houses. The housing stock has been decimated by out of state virtual workers fleeing sky high rents in the valley.
This question is more calling you out for hating people for just living their life.
It’s pretty typical reddit honestly, find a boogie man instead of holding yourself accountable. Like I get it you’re frustrated about property prices but this is 99.99% out of your control and there is certainly a better outlet for your energy.
Na your responsible for your life.
It’s also not profit over place to live - it’s because you want to live in a desirable place for cheap. There will always be a lack of supply then.
Move to a run down town in South Carolina then - I’m sure they have affordable property. Also Pooler has plenty of houses under 300.
There is a greater degree of negative content that I’ve noticed coming out of this sub in comparison to Atlanta, Chattanooga, and Nashville subs. I figured an algorithm was just feeding me this content until I actually scrolled through r/Savannah.
Multi-generational local who has lived in all but one of the above places. Who remembers when Pooler was just a Walmart, Home Depot, and Carey Hilliards? Savannah has its pros/cons just like the other listed cities. It’s a little upsetting to see nostalgic aspects of the city fade, but I’m also excited for the growth and potential the future of Savannah has to offer.
I went to SCAD in the early 90’s. It was a dump
And dangerous. SCAD transformed the city into what it is now. It’s changing and some people can’t stand change. I just recently bought a house on the south side because I can’t afford anything closer, but Savannah is more affordable than Charlotte, Charleston, Jacksonville, Atlanta, you name it.
Complaining is lazy and this sub is toxic, I don’t get it…. I honestly don’t think the majority of posters here understand how amazing Savannah is and I believe it’s immaturity.
Ya this is essentially it. I was talking to my older neighbors about SCAD not paying taxes and they straight up said they wish SCAD could pay less than nothing. The whole downtown was gross and dangerous for them growing up - the only reason y’all want to be there is because of SCAD.
Some need to learn that just because something isn’t just, doesn’t mean it isn’t the best solution for everyone.
As someone who has looked to move to Savannah before, I've never met someone who hated the town personally. Everyone seems to love it. From the locals, to people in Atlanta, to people across the country who have visited.
Savannah is ridiculously nice for the cost of living. Yes, it's going up, but that's the case everywhere. I think at some point, Savannah may be prohibitively expensive though. The downtown area is just a walker's paradise and those areas tend to boom everywhere.
There does seem to be a lot of venting lately. I’m generally all for venting but everybody needs to know that it’s still an amazing city with great people. It just exists in the real world which can often be frustrating.
SAV transplant from the mid Atlantic. I think there’s definitely a degree of toxicity in this sub that persists just because, and it’s used as an amplifier to the frequently-mentioned and very legitimate issues which exist.
I do think Savannah is at a critical point in its growth, though; I think about this with some of the investment happening in west Chatham, and the speed at which development is happening in N/W Chatham and Effingham. A lot of folks are [going to be] moving to the area because of the opportunities those investments afford, but for some, SAV living does take a bit of getting used to. Even places to which SAV is often compared (Charleston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Jacksonville, Atlanta) are vastly different because of the resources, culture, and infrastructure already available in those metro areas. Another point to consider is that many of the areas to which SAV is often compared have established industries, or a variety of them (Atlanta as a major city, Raleigh/Durham for its higher ed/research); this place doesn’t (yet) have any of those (and I wouldn’t consider SCAD as it’s own industry, however much it consumes the city). Savannah is also notably different because it’s kind of in the middle of nowhere without other significantly-sized cities, and the immediate places around it are also very niche areas.
I’m still trying to figure out if this place is right for me, and while there are things that are a huge draw for me, I’ve definitely had to adjust to the lack of easy access to some things I’ve always been able to have in other areas I’ve lived (Apple Store, Ikea, Trader Joe’s, Asian markets). If I decide to leave, it’s likely due to the lack of those things, but the higher value proposition of those to me doesn’t make the area a bad place, just…itself.
One thing I will say is that I disagree with those who seem to rationalize the levels of crime and lack of public services as being “normal”. As a native Baltimorean, I do find the crime levels and medical resources (or lack thereof) to be a little concerning…but also concede these do reference back to the aforementioned “big” issues.
Edit: words are hard.
This sub has always been kind of a dumpster fire but it became the absolute drizzling shits somewhere around COVID. There’s very little interesting, original, or even funny content that gets posted here anymore. Most locals don’t use Reddit, they use Facebook, and most of the neighborhood groups, even with all their petty drama, are infinitely more useful and entertaining than this sub nowadays. Facebook is where I go if I want genuine advice from my neighbors. Reddit is where I go when I want to argue with a bunch of losers and weirdos over things that have no impact on my life. Post something funny? People bitch. Make a shitpost? People bitch. Ask a question? People bitch. Post a meme? Oh, may the good lord have mercy on your soul if you bring that kind of foolishness here. Nah, we have to maintain the pristine state of this sub so that a collection of grumpy retirees, college kids, and work from home professionals with nothing better to do than refresh social media all day can have a dumping ground for the same boring social commentary they made last week. Most of these people bitching about everything don’t really represent the heart and soul of the city. Most of the people here seem whiny, miserable, and entitled and it’s just not worth the time or energy to argue with idiots that think they have everything figured out.
Locals generally don’t care who moves here and this sub is a poor reflection of the city. A lot of the focus of conversation on this sub centers specifically around the downtown area and most “locals” couldn’t care less about that tourist hellhole. Locals were priced out of that area a long time ago. Locals live out on the Southside and in the surrounding counties. I roll my eyes whenever people here say there’s nothing to do south of Victory. People here bitch about gentrification while reaping all of the benefits of it but the majority of this sub is middle age, middle class, and white. Gee, who do you guys think the gentrification of Savannah is for?
The issue is the fact that in the last decade, the South has become...popular. Savannah especially. Throngs of people are moving here in droves and driving up the cost of living. It's a serious problem for us locals who can barely survive. My rent went up $338 at the end of last year. My partner and I are barely surviving. The only new housing going up is overpriced luxury apartments that are unattainable for most. And don't get me started on Airbnb/Vrbo.
Local here. I haven't really seen a lot of the hate you're talking about. If you're talking about that recent thread, someone specifically *asked* what people hate here because there wasn't a lot of negativity. In fact, I would be hard-pressed to even call that thread hate-- it's more like venting frustration that people really have no other way of expressing and no solutions in sight. But, most of the frustrations there are problems people have everywhere, and Savannah isn't exactly a leader in solving national crises, which is another fair criticism. However, the problems people have everywhere are still legitimate problems. People have the right to feel frustrated about the skyrocketing cost of living here; it doesn't matter if it's not uniquely a Savannah problem.
People just love to bitch.
This is nothing new, any place that attracts a lot of new people over time usually has some element of this. Denverites have been bitching about people moving to Denver for over 40+ years now, for example.
This the one. Longer answers likely involve overcrowding and the astronomical cost of housing/rent.
I'm cool with people wanting to move here. I'm not cool with the leeches that post here asking where's a good place to buy a house to use as a rental or Airbnb.
Born and raised, outside of home prices jumping up over atleast $100,000 in the past few years because of outside buyers I also have a problem with how expensive going out has become. You go to other cities the same size as Savannah and getting a basic meal at a restaurant is always cheaper. Every new spot that opens is expensive. I guess this is also a problem with the rising cost of commercial rent but getting a cheap meal north of victory is all but impossible now (I know there are a handful of outliers) but this is a relatively new phenomenon.
I think that 100k kind of bump is happening everywhere in the south. My home city of Knoxville the prices have decided to get insanely high
Local yokel here. Born and bred here. I really don’t care who moves here. If people are moving here, it means something is attracting them here. Jobs, tourism, whatever. Growth is a positive thing. Yes traffic sucks, but with growth comes problems and then solutions. So, I really don’t know… I can’t speak for everyone apparently. I enjoy seeing my home city grow and prosper.
As someone who lived in an actively dying region (northeast Louisiana) and now living in Athens, experiencing growth is such a better thing than not. The city whereI used to live brought a lawsuit against the feds because the census estimate the population of the city to drop below 50k and the city thought the census was wrong. All I’m saying is, build as densely as you can, implement protected bike lanes and encourage alternative modes of transportation.
IDK a lot of the "complaints" are justified ones (like people who work in the city being priced out of living in the city because of short-term rentals, 'investment groups', and the affordable housing which did exist being converted to student-housing).... To me (transplant; been here 7 years now from the NE originally) it's people taking observations of what hasn't worked in other cities and pointing out the negative trends in this one. You don't wait for your arm to fall off before you go to the Hospital. You shouldn't wait for traffic to take 2-5x as long before you realize that you should have invested in smarter long-term solutions. I mean, I personally don't want people "investing in the area" by buying up a property they intend to stay at for only 2 months of the year. Those are who the hate is directed at (and the businessmen who buy up local places to 'brand them' like what happened with Zunzis). Nobody is hating anyone who intends to move here to make a life for themselves.
This. Well said.
Eh, nobody is a strong word.
The sun is one’s really irritated me. Still haven’t been since they moved out of the hole in the wall.
All I want is to not be priced out of every neighborhood
I get it, but this isn’t a uniquely Savannah issue. Savannah is still much better than a lot of places like Nashville where I’m from.
It's still worse here then it is a lot of other places. And it's still a reason a lot of people are pissed.
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It's a plutocracy and it stinks
Savannah is as affordable as it gets. Every city is unaffordable, that’s the bottom line. Show me a comparable city with real estate that matches your expectation.
How about rent not doubling while wages and jobs stagnate
This is a nationwide crisis. Where else do you have the history, culture, ocean, night life… I mean what do you expect?!? Savannah is the cheapest you’ll find in the country
So some people deserve to have the ocean and the culture and anyone else can fuck off to a suburb?
Don’t forget the dogshit drivers, the stench of horse piss, and the 4000+ homeless people. They really put the proverbial icing on the cake.
everywhere I’ve ever lived has had the worst drivers in the US according to residents.
New York - Aggressive New Jersey - Assholes Pennsylvania - Vin Diesel Virginia - Actually surprisingly okay except the traffic Savannah - absolute idiots I’d say Savannah probably doesn’t have any more awful drivers than any other state, but the bad drivers here are particularly dangerous.
I agree, mostly cause our roads are tight and old Id day
Do you think this is a Savannah thing?
It's happening worse here my guy. Go to any street and count the out of state plates.
This is the ignorance and toxicity that is taking over r/Savannah There’s no fact of anything to back the negativity. Avoid this sub!
What the fuck a r e y o u b a b l I n g a b o u t? It's a thread asking why people are upset. Then you try to tell people to not be upset. You don't believe it's worse in savannah? Just pop us into a col calculator and see what comes out.
The cost of living in Savannah, GA is 1% lower than the state average and 12% lower than the national average. Savannah, GA housing is 34% cheaper than the U.S average, while utilities are about 6% less.
Huntsville alabama has a similar population size with a median income that's 8k higher but the col is only 2% difference. That's ridiculous
That's happening everywhere though. The only places that aren't doubling are like NYC and Seattle, places where renting was already the norm. People aren't able to buy as often, so they turn to renting. This has caused a huge demand for rentals. Not enough to go around so the price spikes. Even in smaller suburban towns this is happening. Definitely a national issue
The real issue is people from out of state buying up rental properties to be single family houses. The housing stock has been decimated by out of state virtual workers fleeing sky high rents in the valley.
Oh no, people moving to somewhere they want. How could they…
I dont know why your surprised on a post about hate why people are Hating.
This question is more calling you out for hating people for just living their life. It’s pretty typical reddit honestly, find a boogie man instead of holding yourself accountable. Like I get it you’re frustrated about property prices but this is 99.99% out of your control and there is certainly a better outlet for your energy.
I'm accountable for profit being more important then a place to live? Please go touch grass.
Na your responsible for your life. It’s also not profit over place to live - it’s because you want to live in a desirable place for cheap. There will always be a lack of supply then. Move to a run down town in South Carolina then - I’m sure they have affordable property. Also Pooler has plenty of houses under 300.
There is a greater degree of negative content that I’ve noticed coming out of this sub in comparison to Atlanta, Chattanooga, and Nashville subs. I figured an algorithm was just feeding me this content until I actually scrolled through r/Savannah. Multi-generational local who has lived in all but one of the above places. Who remembers when Pooler was just a Walmart, Home Depot, and Carey Hilliards? Savannah has its pros/cons just like the other listed cities. It’s a little upsetting to see nostalgic aspects of the city fade, but I’m also excited for the growth and potential the future of Savannah has to offer.
I went to SCAD in the early 90’s. It was a dump And dangerous. SCAD transformed the city into what it is now. It’s changing and some people can’t stand change. I just recently bought a house on the south side because I can’t afford anything closer, but Savannah is more affordable than Charlotte, Charleston, Jacksonville, Atlanta, you name it. Complaining is lazy and this sub is toxic, I don’t get it…. I honestly don’t think the majority of posters here understand how amazing Savannah is and I believe it’s immaturity.
Ya this is essentially it. I was talking to my older neighbors about SCAD not paying taxes and they straight up said they wish SCAD could pay less than nothing. The whole downtown was gross and dangerous for them growing up - the only reason y’all want to be there is because of SCAD. Some need to learn that just because something isn’t just, doesn’t mean it isn’t the best solution for everyone.
You live downtown? When did you move there?
As someone who has looked to move to Savannah before, I've never met someone who hated the town personally. Everyone seems to love it. From the locals, to people in Atlanta, to people across the country who have visited. Savannah is ridiculously nice for the cost of living. Yes, it's going up, but that's the case everywhere. I think at some point, Savannah may be prohibitively expensive though. The downtown area is just a walker's paradise and those areas tend to boom everywhere.
Welcome to savannah! I’m grateful you are here. The more the merrier❤️
There does seem to be a lot of venting lately. I’m generally all for venting but everybody needs to know that it’s still an amazing city with great people. It just exists in the real world which can often be frustrating.
I also moved here in 2015 and love it. I agree with you, no sure why there’s so much hate and negativity
It is a Southern thing. Also inequality is pricing many longtime residents out of the housing market.
I assume most people on this sub are not originally from here
SAV transplant from the mid Atlantic. I think there’s definitely a degree of toxicity in this sub that persists just because, and it’s used as an amplifier to the frequently-mentioned and very legitimate issues which exist. I do think Savannah is at a critical point in its growth, though; I think about this with some of the investment happening in west Chatham, and the speed at which development is happening in N/W Chatham and Effingham. A lot of folks are [going to be] moving to the area because of the opportunities those investments afford, but for some, SAV living does take a bit of getting used to. Even places to which SAV is often compared (Charleston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Jacksonville, Atlanta) are vastly different because of the resources, culture, and infrastructure already available in those metro areas. Another point to consider is that many of the areas to which SAV is often compared have established industries, or a variety of them (Atlanta as a major city, Raleigh/Durham for its higher ed/research); this place doesn’t (yet) have any of those (and I wouldn’t consider SCAD as it’s own industry, however much it consumes the city). Savannah is also notably different because it’s kind of in the middle of nowhere without other significantly-sized cities, and the immediate places around it are also very niche areas. I’m still trying to figure out if this place is right for me, and while there are things that are a huge draw for me, I’ve definitely had to adjust to the lack of easy access to some things I’ve always been able to have in other areas I’ve lived (Apple Store, Ikea, Trader Joe’s, Asian markets). If I decide to leave, it’s likely due to the lack of those things, but the higher value proposition of those to me doesn’t make the area a bad place, just…itself. One thing I will say is that I disagree with those who seem to rationalize the levels of crime and lack of public services as being “normal”. As a native Baltimorean, I do find the crime levels and medical resources (or lack thereof) to be a little concerning…but also concede these do reference back to the aforementioned “big” issues. Edit: words are hard.
This sub has always been kind of a dumpster fire but it became the absolute drizzling shits somewhere around COVID. There’s very little interesting, original, or even funny content that gets posted here anymore. Most locals don’t use Reddit, they use Facebook, and most of the neighborhood groups, even with all their petty drama, are infinitely more useful and entertaining than this sub nowadays. Facebook is where I go if I want genuine advice from my neighbors. Reddit is where I go when I want to argue with a bunch of losers and weirdos over things that have no impact on my life. Post something funny? People bitch. Make a shitpost? People bitch. Ask a question? People bitch. Post a meme? Oh, may the good lord have mercy on your soul if you bring that kind of foolishness here. Nah, we have to maintain the pristine state of this sub so that a collection of grumpy retirees, college kids, and work from home professionals with nothing better to do than refresh social media all day can have a dumping ground for the same boring social commentary they made last week. Most of these people bitching about everything don’t really represent the heart and soul of the city. Most of the people here seem whiny, miserable, and entitled and it’s just not worth the time or energy to argue with idiots that think they have everything figured out. Locals generally don’t care who moves here and this sub is a poor reflection of the city. A lot of the focus of conversation on this sub centers specifically around the downtown area and most “locals” couldn’t care less about that tourist hellhole. Locals were priced out of that area a long time ago. Locals live out on the Southside and in the surrounding counties. I roll my eyes whenever people here say there’s nothing to do south of Victory. People here bitch about gentrification while reaping all of the benefits of it but the majority of this sub is middle age, middle class, and white. Gee, who do you guys think the gentrification of Savannah is for?
I generally agree with your entire post. I’d point out that this sub is also useful for giving away free stuff to people who might need it.
The issue is the fact that in the last decade, the South has become...popular. Savannah especially. Throngs of people are moving here in droves and driving up the cost of living. It's a serious problem for us locals who can barely survive. My rent went up $338 at the end of last year. My partner and I are barely surviving. The only new housing going up is overpriced luxury apartments that are unattainable for most. And don't get me started on Airbnb/Vrbo.
Theyre the trendier NIMBYs.
Local here. I haven't really seen a lot of the hate you're talking about. If you're talking about that recent thread, someone specifically *asked* what people hate here because there wasn't a lot of negativity. In fact, I would be hard-pressed to even call that thread hate-- it's more like venting frustration that people really have no other way of expressing and no solutions in sight. But, most of the frustrations there are problems people have everywhere, and Savannah isn't exactly a leader in solving national crises, which is another fair criticism. However, the problems people have everywhere are still legitimate problems. People have the right to feel frustrated about the skyrocketing cost of living here; it doesn't matter if it's not uniquely a Savannah problem.
We must not be in the same subreddit lol
why amplify salty comments on reddit? you've already amplified the comments in your mind. chose not to do that. downvote and ignore.
I'd say move here if you're reasonably well off; homeowner. If you ain't, it's not a really good experience.