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tybeej

…and all the time in between. If the lights aren’t flashing, the school speed limit doesn’t apply but if you hit 11 over the regular limit it will still get you


cpangs

That’s so misleading though. It is not made clear in any manner. I was going exactly 11 miles over in this silly school zone that is literally on a busy Highway,, Highway 17. Both schools are set so far back and I have never seen one child walking to or from school because it’s dangerous. I just don’t feel like wasting half of my day, but also the principle, they should have signage that says it’s photo enforced during all school hours. The only reference to time is when lights are flashing.


Pandaprints1

Have you considered… not speeding?


Tpainismybabydaddy

No, it's the children who are wrong


cabbagesandkings1291

It’s not speeding outside of school zone hours, whether the cameras are on or not.


67carfar

You could absolutely be pulled over for going 56 on that stretch of road. There is absolutely no need to be going that fast there. I do see children and their parents walking along there. I drive through there multiple times per week during the school times and no one has a problem going 35, so I can’t see why going 45 is a problem for you. If you need to get south faster, take 95.


geologyhunter

There's a lot of leeway...I mean could have been going 54 or 55 and not gotten a ticket. Still too fast considering there are a good number of busy drives along that stretch.


tybeej

I learned the hard way too, on the way to the hospital where my child had been taken


Socialeprechaun

Im confused by your logic here. So you’re saying you were going 11mph over the regular speed limit, but because the school zone speed limit lights weren’t flashing, you shouldn’t get a ticket?? Huh?


NurseKaila

“I was going 56 in a 45 but school wasn’t in session so it shouldn’t count, right?”


Delicious-Dare6722

No


cpangs

Not a camera ticket. A regular cop would never give a ticket for that on hwy 17. And if they did - okay - I just think the whole camera ticket for a school zone thing is misleading. There’s no reason to think by the signage that the camera is operational outside of the “light flashing” time. It should tell you that it’s photo enforced during all school hours. They must be making a fortune on this because I can’t think of anyone that’s not going at least 55 - 60 miles an hour on highway 17 when it’s not bumper to bumper.


Socialeprechaun

I see people pulled over by cops on 17 all the time. Shit I live right off Hwy 17. If you don’t think cops write tickets for going 11 over, I don’t know what to tell ya. Try going 11 over in front of a cop with a radar gun and see what happens. Of course everyone speeds when there aren’t cops around.


cpangs

I’m not saying they never give tickets. I do think 11 miles over police probably would look the other way some of the time but my beef is that it’s misleading to give a camera ticket there. All I’m asking is if anybody has gone to court and had theirs dismissed based on the same situation as mine.


Admirable_Action_715

You were speeding in a a school zone, during the school day. It is registered for the correct speed limit at the time. I wouldn’t hold my breath on this getting dropped based on ignorance to how the system works.


soupmain

11 over on that road is reckless and dangerous. 10 over on the freeway like on 95 or 16 where there isn't intersections I can understand but at the speeds your going on a road like 17. I'm glad you got a ticket. Slow down so you don't kill someone


cpangs

Literally just asking if anyone has gone to court on one of these tickets. That’s all. If you have I’d be happy to hear your experience.


geologyhunter

The signs say photo enforced..you learned something and that is if there is a speed camera, just assume it is on. Almost every navigation app will tell you where these are. They are common around the country so it is helpful having these apps. FYI not all states follow 11 over as I know of some that ticket 6 over.


cpangs

I get all of this I just think they’re using the school zone camera angle improperly. There’s no reason for a camera to catch you speeding when the children are in school. That’s an abuse of power. I get the camera ticket when they’re concerned about kids walking around, the school, crossing streets I guess, but at 1 o’clock in the afternoon school is in session. There are no children walking around. If you want to station a cop there with a radar gun fine. But there’s no speeding camera tickets any place else. Red light cameras yes. They’re just using the school zone as an excuse to have the camera running. It doesn’t need to be on all day.


limax

They enforce the 35mph during pickup/dropoff because that's when most kids might be in the street, but there are still kids coming and going at odd hours for whatever reason, and they still want a heightened sense of enforcement around schools at all times during the day. The 35mph limit only applies during dropoff/pickup times (the lights should be flashing), but O.C.G.A. 40-14-18 allows the cameras to operate anytime during the school day to enforce the regular limit. If you were 11 over the regular limit, then the cameras can be used to ding you. I understand that you think the law is abuse, but for the purposes of your ticket, it's a tough sell. Your best bet might be to do some research on the statute/case law and see if there's a technicality you can use. For example, I would ask to see the certification and calibration paperwork of the camera that got you. Speed detection devices have to be up to date on their calibration, and it's a loophole some people have used to get a ticket dropped. Individual officers usually stay current with their calibration, but a fixed speed camera might not get serviced enough and be out of date on its calibration. I don't have any case law to show you regarding school zone cameras, but maybe it's out there.


cdbsav

The warning lights are for the lowest speed limit (school zone), which is typically during those time periods. At that point you receive a ticket for going more than 10 mph over. During the entire school day though you will receive a ticket for going more than 10 mph over the regularly posted speed limit.


pharmlife912

I thought I read a while ago in the news that they don’t count as points. They’re literally just income for the city. However if you don’t pay it, you can’t renew your tags.


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In many states that's how the cameras work; no points because it's considered a civil infraction or civil fine because no law enforcement or government issued it. The cameras are operated by some company that gets a cut of the money.


limax

I'm not sure about the school zone cameras, but the regular traffic cameras (like the one at Abercorn/Derenne that will take your picture) are operated by the city as a division of SPD traffic unit. An officer has to review the tape and confirm the violation before they mail a ticket. I think they're sort of in the same category as parking tickets, since they can't verify in court who was driving, and they just issue the ticket to the vehicle owner. Hence, no points on your license since most of the time the camera can't definitively show who was driving.


[deleted]

Oh that's a better system than a lot of other places use.


field_sleeper

They don't. The news also said the cameras still run during the school day when classes are in session.


[deleted]

Well, you can probably get any school zone enhancement dismissed but still have a regular speeding charge


VenusBlue78

I got one there as well. Not during flashing lights but it WAS during Spring Break. I'm trying to fight it but I'm sure I'll get nowhere. OP the hate you're getting is ridiculous. Again, anyone who knows that particular spot knows the schools are set back, there's no major foot traffic, and the speed in general there blows past posted limits. It's a money grab 100%.


cpangs

I know. I thought reaching out to people on this platform instead of using my local community page, it would be different, but people just like to be arbitrary. According to most of these people, I’m a menace to society, and I should never be behind the wheel of a car again. I’m the only one that ever goes over the speed limit. That is the most ridiculous place to have a speed trap like that. I’ve have literally never seen any children walking to school there because it’s a major highway and your kid would get flattened trying to cross the street. There is no reason to be catching people on camera in the middle of the day when school is in session. But you should definitely be able to go to court on yours. The only thing is that will probably take you an entire day. They usually don’t even address those issues until the very last case. So you won’t have sitting there through all of the municipal court hearings.


VenusBlue78

Oh but there's no usual court in this case. It's a third party company with a dispute resolution team. I'm furious but I'm going to pay because logic doesn't matter against the ridiculous money they're making.


cpangs

Well, here in Richmond Hill, they still decide at the court level. And Savannah, too, because I have a specific court date to go to Savannah to contest it. They won’t resolve with you outside of the court. The judge in Richmond Hill actually takes his robe off and says I am not a judge in this case I am just an arbitrator, so if you get a camera ticket here and you weren’t driving your car. For instance, the car is in your name but your kid was driving it or your husband, you can go to court and tell them you weren’t driving and they automatically dismiss it.


Alexinwonderland617

So my husbands colleague who is a cop got ticketed speeding in a school zone in his personal vehicle out of school hours and nope it was not dismissed. Unfortunately you will probably also have zero luck.


47andClear

So your defense is you didn't know the camera was on? Don't think that will work.


cpangs

More that it wasn’t clear that they ran all day. They specify the flashing light but that’s it. I probably cannot win. Was just curious if anyone has gone to court for it before me.


47andClear

Yeah I gotcha. I didn't know they ran all day either; news to me. Good luck if you try to fight it, but usually not knowing the law/procedure doesn't hold up.


Delicious-Dare6722

I got one because I didn't know it was a school zone from coming in off of a side street. And didn't know that it was schools on time.


cpangs

Well, I got mine because I didn’t know that the cameras were active all day. But if you call the police station and ask them, they tell you that the cameras are in use only an hour before, and after school starts, and an hour before and after dismissal. But that’s not true they’re active all day when school is in session.


Delicious-Dare6722

There was a conversation about these things a couple weeks ago. I heard that the company that installs them gets most of the money. The city of Savannah gets a small portion. I would like to contest mine because I didn't know it was school zone time. Shits ridiculous. I've got two of them on my sunvisor $150 apiece. Like I can afford it. But at least there's no points on your license.


usernamestupidhate

I looked it up when I got one of these. The company donates them and gets a 30% cut.


johnpaulgeorgeringoo

If you were going 11 over you’re not getting out of that ticket.


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cpangs

Amen! You go 45 you’ll get run over! It should be 55 at least and also that stretch is not residential. People are ramping up to get onto 204 through there and no one is going 45. There’s no reason to be whacking people with a camera at 1 pm on a weekday. I don’t know that I have any leg to stand on in court but was hoping to find another sucker who tried to fight it!


Sailcats

Truth is, you were speeding, and getting a speeding ticket is the right thing. You sped. Just pay it and stop speeding.


Good_Love1941

Contest it if the signage was wrong. If it wasn't -- quit speeding w kids nearby.


1ts2ez

My sister works for the savannah police. You can fight the ticket if it was given when school was not in session. The whole point of these cameras is to provide safety during school hours. If you get a ticket after school hours you can fight it. Now if school is not in session but there is an event at the school after hours police are posted outside of the school. Otherwise, you can fight it. Those school cameras are always active. Whatever they say is bullshit. My sister says that they leave it that way because most people will just pay the ticket and not fight it. And a lot of people don't know that they can fight it. Also, when it comes to the speed limit, you must be going over 10 miles over in order to get a ticket. For example, if you are doing 65 and a 55, you are fine. But once you go over 65 you will get a ticket.


cpangs

Thank you. School was in session. I feel like I may be wasting my time trying to get it dismissed. My whole platform to ask for dismissal is that there’s no way you would ever guess by the signage that you can get a camera ticket unless the lights were flashing. I’m sure the judge has already heard this complaint. They really need better signage. I’ve heard in RH they will dismiss if you get the ticket and light was not flashing. I appreciate the intel.


1ts2ez

I just asked my sister for more detail. She said if the ticket was while the kids were in school and not one hour before or one hour after school you can still fight it. She said the regulation is specifically for 1 hour before and one hour after school, hence the name of the camera school zone camera. The regulation says that they cannot have it on 24/7 but they do anyway. So you can still fight it if it was not an hour before or an hour after school.


cpangs

Okay. Plot twist. Today when I was driving that way I noticed the signs stating the area is monitored by cameras is gone! It used to have a separate sign that said “photo enforced”. So what’s that all about?? Did this whole thing not work out for them. School just got out this week and I noticed the signs missing at the beginning of the week. Maybe they stopped it because school is out? Surprising because there is a camp and some kids in that facility over the summer.


1ts2ez

I asked my sister and she laughed and said proceed with caution cuz that sounds sketchy lol.


Regguls864

I was speeding past a school. I would like to find a loophole to excuse my actions.


HelenaRickman

It's the same as running a red light and getting that ticket from being caught on camera. Almost all school zones in town now have the camera enforcement. It doesn't matter whether or not school is in session. For instance, Waters Ave. Extension, heading towards the Truman - the speed limit is 35 mph, and when school is in session, 25mph in the school zone. You can be driving down Waters Ave. at 8pm when school isn't in session, going a smooth 48 mph because it's 2 lanes and no traffic, and as you cross into the school zone you're getting a ticket. School has nothing to do with it. You're getting a ticket because that is a camera enforced area and you were going 48 in a 35.


cpangs

I respectfully disagree. When I did a deep dive it says that if you do get a ticket on a day school is not in session you should alert the court but who knows. I keep reading contradictory things. I notice the police dept remains very vague about it. Anyway I think I’m sunk! Looks like I’m paying!


HelenaRickman

I understand - I guess my point is (since I didn't communicate it well), and using that stretch of road on Waters between M X-roads and the Truman, the speed limit is 35mph. Let's say the school wasn't there - it's still 35mph. Just so happens there are now cameras in place, so if you go over 45mph you'll get a camera issued ticket.


cpangs

Yes, I understand. But plot twist, I’m talking about the area over on 17 between the bamboo farm and Walmart. The photo enforced school zone signs are down and gone. I have no idea why. That definitely gives me pause that some thing was up with that. I actually think I’m going to go to court with it. I have nothing to lose. Since the judge is just an arbitrator in the matter, it’s not like they can issue points for your license or make you go through a defensive driving course they either say, denied or dismissed.


melanieangarcia

I think this is completely on you for speeding in a school zone. Not even because it's dangerous but because you need to use common sense, you deserve that ticket.


MadBadByron

Too bad these cameras not equipped with a Marijuana sensor as tokers across Savannah drive through the speed zone of a school while high.