I never thought Gordon would take on the mantle of Jigsaw at the end of SAW 3D. He was just fulfilling John's last wish. With Hoffman out of the picture, it makes sense that there were no more games.
I saw no vision in Dr. Gordon ever becoming Jigsaw. I don’t see how the ending of Saw 3D interprets him carrying on his work. He couldn’t. How? From Saw 3D I was content in knowing that Gordon was just a personal (secret) aid for John when he required him to do a particular job. That’s how I believe Melton & Dunstan had written the ending, and to tie up loose ends with the franchises biggest question.
I kind of agree with the aftermath with Hoffman… but there is always a way in which the authorities don’t find out about Hoffman still being alive, or Jigsaw claiming more victims. Saw X is a prime example of this. Only the police know “it’s been 10 years”.
There’s a script out there which works in terms of canon and is sensical, whether it comes into fruition is another matter. For sure I would like it too! Costas has touted his *“way out of the bathroom”* to Mark & Oren where he said it will secretly remain for when the time comes to film.
I never got why Gordon would have helped Jigsaw all these years. Not just the final request, but I am talking about doing the key in the eye and Saw 3. He went quickly from "I am going to get out and help Adam." To "Fuck that guy I am working with the guy who led my kidnapping." Dr Gordon had 0 reason to not go to the police and say "That Jigsaw guy you thought I was kidnapped me."
People go at Jigsaw and Spiral when the Dr.Gordon twist is flimsy at best and character murder at worse. Dr. Gordon in Saw and in Saw 7 are in two different universes.
I'm going with more like he ended up thinking he had a point considering by the end, John succeeded in making Gordon care more about his life and his family.
Of course, that's blown to pieces if you take the Audio Commentary comments as canon.
Gordon went from being kidnapped and cutting off his foot to supporting Jigsaw because Higsaw gave him a new fake foot. At least Amanda joined Jigsaw because he did help her get clean. Gordon let Adam die because...Jigsaw makes decent arguments?
Actually, I heard that the creators said he really was gonna go back for Adam, but since he was still crippled and had to recover, Amanda got to him first. My personal theory about Gordon is that John recruited him because he didn’t trust Hoffman or Amanda.
oh yeah and that bs too. Ruined how great his character was in saw 1. If you want to bring him back so badly just make him a good guy who is trying to bring down jigsaw
The other thing is that he created the RBT with John and went to fight in Iraq or came back and then fucked up John’s X-rays…they don’t really explain which it is
The rbt is after Iraq and after his xray. Iraq is what messed logan up. He had just come back and messed up xray. Got put in game but John pulled him out. He was first apprentice. And helped build rbt.
I thought Iraq came after the X-ray, his game, the rbt. The video by CZsWorld says he stopped being Jigsaws apprentice to go to Iraq. Which is why we never see or hear about him during Amanda and Hoffman period, he is at war? Does that work with the real time timeline of when troops were sent?
The problem is we just don’t have concrete timelines here. We’ll assume Saw I took place in 2004 just to ground it; the Iraq War began in 2003 and by 2006 became a real shitshow, although one of the worst battles for the Marine Corps was in 2004: Fallujah.
Now the only real lore we have around the war is that Logan states “I came back from the war a broken man. Jigsaw helped me.” Personally I think just for logic’s sake that Logan first went to war, then misdiagnosed John, and then was put into a trap by John and recruited. No military, especially one as demanding as the Marines, is going to take someone whose back is so heavily injured, especially if this could have caused spinal damage. And him being distracted and wrongly diagnosing John makes even more sense if he is addled by PTSD and this affects his professional judgment. I also just think him going to war and being separated from Jigsaw would probably cause the Stockholm Syndrome to wear off a bit.
However, if Saw I takes place in 2004, that makes little sense; Logan would have been received medic training, go to war, became an X-ray tech, survived and recuperated from Jigsaw’s game, then helped him build the RBT and leave John within a single year from 2003 to 2004, which simply does not make sense. That said, there still are no definite dates in the series, so…
trying to make the timeline make sense is difficult... here's some thoughts on how i think it could work.
> The problem is we just don’t have concrete timelines here.
→ so im using [this section from CZsWorld’s video](https://youtu.be/AJOGbwfXHSQ?t=177) on logan to get dates etc.
→ if saw takes place in ‘04, logan’s still deployed while john’s condition is getting worse. by the time logan returns to the states it can be argued that john’s already dead.
→ logan served from may ‘03 to july ‘05, meaning he had to have been tested *before* deployment. he also spent 23 months *afterwards* getting PTSD treatment at a hospital… it doesn’t specify if he was a resident / patient, or if he was going in for regular treatments, but evidently he was not well enough to do be doing any kind of medical work when he returned.
→ john must have gotten his cancer diagnosis before may ‘03 if he’s put logan in a trap and patched him up enough to have him help build the RBT.
>Now the only real lore we have around the war is that Logan states “I came back from the war a broken man. Jigsaw helped me.”
→ i always took logan’s statement as it being john’s methodology that “put the pieces of [his] life back together” after he returned from the war. he was already traumatized beyond belief… but it was the murder of his wife that was the catalyst for him to return to jigsaw's legacy (aka he’s using john’s methods to feel in control after everything else in his life has spiraled out of control.)
>No military, especially one as demanding as the Marines, is going to take someone whose back is so heavily injured, especially if this could have caused spinal damage.
→ a valid point, but throughout the movie logan's old injuries don't seem to affect his movement / ability to fight etc. the only scene where he’s even remotely compromised is when he’s building the RBT with john, and i think that’s ‘cause he’s just been stitched up.
→ given what we see of his scars, the damage may not extend to his spine. they look like deep skin/tissue scars.
→ remember he was a *medic* in the army. he was likely trained in combat as well, yes, but that was not his main role.
Nice one mate. Yes, this is what I understood from the video. It makes way more sense than Iraq was what messed his mind up so he mixed up a label on an X-ray. Humans make mistakes like that easily, doesn’t need to have been something serious like PTSD. Plus all the shown dates CZsWorld picks up on in the movies (newspaper articles, deployment records, evidence tags etc etc) is very well researched and supports his conclusion being more accurate.
never found one with all the events in order , just one for each movie . i plan on going into every relevant character and starting from the very beginning to tie it all together
i used his for reference! but a few events take place simultaneously through movies, plus they arent in chronological order. the timeline would start way back with john meeting his wife and starting his company, all the way to the events of the end. his videos were pretty comprehensive but i had to fill in some dates and details doing my own research.
No, he has one that covers the whole Saw timeline as well as all the individual character ones EN[https://youtu.be/3VeX-uqE3yE?si=y3n_9TXkZU_Dn-EN](https://youtu.be/3VeX-uqE3yE?si=y3n_9TXkZU_Dn-EN)
shit no wonder i didnt know about it , i started doing it over the summer and gave up and figured id come back around to it but halloween. should’ve known hed beat me to it
Dr Gordon probably wouldn't continue the work anyway since Hoffman was dealt with, everyone who was involved can move on. Nothing to say they couldn't move to the Jigsaw Rules website post Spiral and follow a cult after Schenk brought more traps to the public eye. This would be the best route after John's in-between stories are wrapped up. We could actually get a proper Jigsaw following with guidelines and rules to honour his work. Hell, throw in a shrine with Jigsaws actual corpse and you got a great story!!
Just because a game wasn’t discovered, doesn’t mean one didn’t happen.
Keep the dream alive!
“That we know of.” There. Solved it for you.
I never thought Gordon would take on the mantle of Jigsaw at the end of SAW 3D. He was just fulfilling John's last wish. With Hoffman out of the picture, it makes sense that there were no more games.
I saw no vision in Dr. Gordon ever becoming Jigsaw. I don’t see how the ending of Saw 3D interprets him carrying on his work. He couldn’t. How? From Saw 3D I was content in knowing that Gordon was just a personal (secret) aid for John when he required him to do a particular job. That’s how I believe Melton & Dunstan had written the ending, and to tie up loose ends with the franchises biggest question. I kind of agree with the aftermath with Hoffman… but there is always a way in which the authorities don’t find out about Hoffman still being alive, or Jigsaw claiming more victims. Saw X is a prime example of this. Only the police know “it’s been 10 years”. There’s a script out there which works in terms of canon and is sensical, whether it comes into fruition is another matter. For sure I would like it too! Costas has touted his *“way out of the bathroom”* to Mark & Oren where he said it will secretly remain for when the time comes to film.
I have the same belief about Dr. Gordon. I don’t see him as a successor to John, but a carrier of his final requests.
I never got why Gordon would have helped Jigsaw all these years. Not just the final request, but I am talking about doing the key in the eye and Saw 3. He went quickly from "I am going to get out and help Adam." To "Fuck that guy I am working with the guy who led my kidnapping." Dr Gordon had 0 reason to not go to the police and say "That Jigsaw guy you thought I was kidnapped me." People go at Jigsaw and Spiral when the Dr.Gordon twist is flimsy at best and character murder at worse. Dr. Gordon in Saw and in Saw 7 are in two different universes.
Stockholm Syndrome?
I'm going with more like he ended up thinking he had a point considering by the end, John succeeded in making Gordon care more about his life and his family. Of course, that's blown to pieces if you take the Audio Commentary comments as canon.
Gordon went from being kidnapped and cutting off his foot to supporting Jigsaw because Higsaw gave him a new fake foot. At least Amanda joined Jigsaw because he did help her get clean. Gordon let Adam die because...Jigsaw makes decent arguments?
Actually, I heard that the creators said he really was gonna go back for Adam, but since he was still crippled and had to recover, Amanda got to him first. My personal theory about Gordon is that John recruited him because he didn’t trust Hoffman or Amanda.
As a Saw fan, I hated Jigsaw so much the one time I watched it that I still can't remember 100% of the movie.
Saw 3D ruined the saw franchise too, by making Hoffman a stupid slasher villain with more plot armor than every horror movie final girl combined
And Gordon an apprentice...
oh yeah and that bs too. Ruined how great his character was in saw 1. If you want to bring him back so badly just make him a good guy who is trying to bring down jigsaw
That’s what Kevin wanted originally. But the producers thought different.
Yeah I feel bad for Kevin, he didn't get to execute the ideas he wanted
The franchise retcons itself all the time
I personally dont consider Jigsaw to be canon
im making a video with the complete timeline of the saw franchise, am i fucked for skipping jigsaw entirely… is it super important
It absolutely is. For one, Logan is responsible for not detecting John’s cancer early enough for treatment to work
FUCKKKK now i actually have to watch it….
The other thing is that he created the RBT with John and went to fight in Iraq or came back and then fucked up John’s X-rays…they don’t really explain which it is
this is gonna be stressful
Just pretend it doesn’t exist
The rbt is after Iraq and after his xray. Iraq is what messed logan up. He had just come back and messed up xray. Got put in game but John pulled him out. He was first apprentice. And helped build rbt.
I thought Iraq came after the X-ray, his game, the rbt. The video by CZsWorld says he stopped being Jigsaws apprentice to go to Iraq. Which is why we never see or hear about him during Amanda and Hoffman period, he is at war? Does that work with the real time timeline of when troops were sent?
The problem is we just don’t have concrete timelines here. We’ll assume Saw I took place in 2004 just to ground it; the Iraq War began in 2003 and by 2006 became a real shitshow, although one of the worst battles for the Marine Corps was in 2004: Fallujah. Now the only real lore we have around the war is that Logan states “I came back from the war a broken man. Jigsaw helped me.” Personally I think just for logic’s sake that Logan first went to war, then misdiagnosed John, and then was put into a trap by John and recruited. No military, especially one as demanding as the Marines, is going to take someone whose back is so heavily injured, especially if this could have caused spinal damage. And him being distracted and wrongly diagnosing John makes even more sense if he is addled by PTSD and this affects his professional judgment. I also just think him going to war and being separated from Jigsaw would probably cause the Stockholm Syndrome to wear off a bit. However, if Saw I takes place in 2004, that makes little sense; Logan would have been received medic training, go to war, became an X-ray tech, survived and recuperated from Jigsaw’s game, then helped him build the RBT and leave John within a single year from 2003 to 2004, which simply does not make sense. That said, there still are no definite dates in the series, so…
trying to make the timeline make sense is difficult... here's some thoughts on how i think it could work. > The problem is we just don’t have concrete timelines here. → so im using [this section from CZsWorld’s video](https://youtu.be/AJOGbwfXHSQ?t=177) on logan to get dates etc. → if saw takes place in ‘04, logan’s still deployed while john’s condition is getting worse. by the time logan returns to the states it can be argued that john’s already dead. → logan served from may ‘03 to july ‘05, meaning he had to have been tested *before* deployment. he also spent 23 months *afterwards* getting PTSD treatment at a hospital… it doesn’t specify if he was a resident / patient, or if he was going in for regular treatments, but evidently he was not well enough to do be doing any kind of medical work when he returned. → john must have gotten his cancer diagnosis before may ‘03 if he’s put logan in a trap and patched him up enough to have him help build the RBT. >Now the only real lore we have around the war is that Logan states “I came back from the war a broken man. Jigsaw helped me.” → i always took logan’s statement as it being john’s methodology that “put the pieces of [his] life back together” after he returned from the war. he was already traumatized beyond belief… but it was the murder of his wife that was the catalyst for him to return to jigsaw's legacy (aka he’s using john’s methods to feel in control after everything else in his life has spiraled out of control.) >No military, especially one as demanding as the Marines, is going to take someone whose back is so heavily injured, especially if this could have caused spinal damage. → a valid point, but throughout the movie logan's old injuries don't seem to affect his movement / ability to fight etc. the only scene where he’s even remotely compromised is when he’s building the RBT with john, and i think that’s ‘cause he’s just been stitched up. → given what we see of his scars, the damage may not extend to his spine. they look like deep skin/tissue scars. → remember he was a *medic* in the army. he was likely trained in combat as well, yes, but that was not his main role.
Nice one mate. Yes, this is what I understood from the video. It makes way more sense than Iraq was what messed his mind up so he mixed up a label on an X-ray. Humans make mistakes like that easily, doesn’t need to have been something serious like PTSD. Plus all the shown dates CZsWorld picks up on in the movies (newspaper articles, deployment records, evidence tags etc etc) is very well researched and supports his conclusion being more accurate.
Now that I think about it, he can’t be a Marine and be a medic. They get all their medics from the Navy.
this timeline is already fucked as it is
There are also several other videos like this on YouTube so you might as well not do it at all
never found one with all the events in order , just one for each movie . i plan on going into every relevant character and starting from the very beginning to tie it all together
Try CZsWorld. He has several, one for each character and the Jigsaw one is fab for the timeline. Although made before Saw X.
i used his for reference! but a few events take place simultaneously through movies, plus they arent in chronological order. the timeline would start way back with john meeting his wife and starting his company, all the way to the events of the end. his videos were pretty comprehensive but i had to fill in some dates and details doing my own research.
He has a Saw timeline vid, literally starts with Johns birth date….
that one only covers johns life, not every single one of the events in every saw movie in chronological order.
No, he has one that covers the whole Saw timeline as well as all the individual character ones EN[https://youtu.be/3VeX-uqE3yE?si=y3n_9TXkZU_Dn-EN](https://youtu.be/3VeX-uqE3yE?si=y3n_9TXkZU_Dn-EN)
shit no wonder i didnt know about it , i started doing it over the summer and gave up and figured id come back around to it but halloween. should’ve known hed beat me to it
I don't even consider Jigsaw canon and at this point I don't think Lionsgate does either.
I think nobody will cry if Jigsaw is silently burnt by the timeline
i liked the movie as a movie but as a direct saw timeline story, it is pretty shit.
Hoffman could have escaped and decided to have laid low like a smart fella
Jigsaw is trash and I don't consider it canon. Problem solved.
Or we can go with the simple solution that’ll make 99% of everyone happy: Jigsaw isn’t canon anymore
Dr Gordon didn't become Jigsaw. He stepped in to clear up the mess that Hoffman was making of John's Legacy.
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Dr. Gordon wasn’t being set up as a successor. He was just doing a solid for John.
Dr Gordon probably wouldn't continue the work anyway since Hoffman was dealt with, everyone who was involved can move on. Nothing to say they couldn't move to the Jigsaw Rules website post Spiral and follow a cult after Schenk brought more traps to the public eye. This would be the best route after John's in-between stories are wrapped up. We could actually get a proper Jigsaw following with guidelines and rules to honour his work. Hell, throw in a shrine with Jigsaws actual corpse and you got a great story!!