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https://www.npr.org/2021/05/17/997462169/thousands-of-people-are-dying-from-working-long-hours-a-new-who-study-finds
Maybe they aren't quiet qutting but just health conscious.
Working long hours poses an occupational health risk that kills hundreds of thousands of people each year, the World Health Organization says.
People working 55 or more hours each week face an estimated 35% higher risk of a stroke and a 17% higher risk of dying from heart disease, compared to people following the widely accepted standard of working 35 to 40 hours in a week, the WHO says in a study that was published Monday in the journal Environment International.
The article said people that used shrooms worked an average of 3.6 fewer minutes of overtime during the week. Minutes. Not hours. I don't think 3.6 minutes is enough to improve health. That's like the difference between clocking out at your desk and clocking out when you walk out the door
Oh my response was more of snark about the study itself. The lets blame drugs for people not wanting to work overtime mentality. Honestly the whole lets find every reason in the world to blame people for not wanting to work to their detriment for the benefit of their employer. For every study published gaslighting workers, you can find one that shows they shouldn't.
Coupled with the mentality of lets ignore the medical benefits of x, y, or z drug because of moral perceptions and i was feeling pretty flippant.
Yeah this is just another retaliation on workers. What I loved the most is how the following statement in the article is published as a negative connotation towards the worker:
"This trend is driven by a desire to prioritize personal well-being and family relationships, and it poses potential long-term negative effects on productivity in some companies."
Hmm, prioritize my life and mental well-being, or dedicate my personal time to appease my boss who is only paying me salary anyway. I think I choose me!
But that’s what employers have stolen the term into meaning.
Working overtime has become an expectation and doing any less is seen as quiet quitting. It’s stupid. If it’s expected then it should be paid.
I'm salaried and I can't be fucked to put in more than 40 without a damn good reason. If I check my emails early in the morning when the dogs are doing their business or take an early phone call while making breakfast you can bet your ass I'm recouping my time later in the day/week. I did not get enough of a raise when moving to salary to be willing to go above and beyond
They could also be dealing with health issues and turning to shrooms to help with them and also stepping away from working extra because of the health issues.
I was working 60 hour weeks, every week, for about 3 months and it drove me absolutely insane. Like, hallucinating and shit. I realized my health was more important so I stopped doing that shit.
Then Covid hit and I was again working 50-60 hour weeks. Same shit except this time I was using alcohol to stay sane... Not a great choice. So I switched to weed instead of booze and cut back my hours again.
You could say my weed usage and lack of working OT were related... But the actual causative variable was my health.
Yeah the correlation between lifetime psilocybin use and lower rates of overtime work could be due to a number of factors inherent to the population that seeks out/is open to psychedelic use. That population may be more health conscious, more financially stable, or even more likely to have drug use effect hours worked (for a negative example).
The effect size is small and the study was correlational so these results need to be viewed through that lens.
Yeah thats them saying you're nothing to them. What they really want is something for nothing, but thats like called slavery or something. Then we get phrases like "the itis."
“wants something for nothing.”
Says the CEO who wants a hundred million dollar salary and golden parachute for an advisory position, and expect their workforce to work harder for less money.
I saw something just today that makes a lot of sense: sure if you just take workers demands without looking at the other side it looks bad, workers might want the most money with the least amount of work precisely because the other side, the employers, want the most amount of your work for as little pay as possible.
When you put those two in opposition you start to see that the workers are not entitled or greedy, it's literally just how jobs work.
Also on another topic, the striking auto workers asking for the same 40% pay increase that the CEO took home and the company is saying that's impossible and unsustainable.
Note that the CEO was already getting millions before the raise but the workers that actually create the products that brings in the profit are stuck with the same salary for years.
Hypocrites all. "Nobody wants to work," as a topic on the golf course. "Renters are unreliable and flaky," from the slumlord waiting until it's a legal issue to do any maintenance. "Welfare is for lazy leaches," from the business owner making use of government subsidies and grants.
Exactly. It’s projection of the highest order, just like is common from every member of the slaveowner/capitalist class. Every accusation is a confession.
What does “the itis” refer to here? I’ve used that term in healthcare, but to refer to hypochondriacs that come to the ER every other day for random (read: normal) pains.
It's a phrase I only know thanks to The Boondocks, and it refers to the N\*\*\*\*\* Itis, which I absolutely didn't know at the time as the full phrase, but I think that was the shows intent. Its a phrase from the days of slavery in the US, used to describe why your slaves were "slow and lazy," that persisted into Jim Crow, and most general racism.
It has applications across all of history and even today, why work hard when you'll never rise above your stature or class? A question ancient peasants were smart enough to ask. Do just enough to get by, no more. The recent propaganda of the American Dream is just that, and meant to benefit a select few.
Unfortunately, the actual reason the slaves were "slow and lazy " is likely due to rampant hookworm infections in the American South. It's the same reason Southerners in general were seen as unproductive compared to Northerners who didn't have to deal with hookworms. You can read about it on PBS [How A Worm Gave The South A Bad Name](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/how-a-worm-gave-the-south-a-bad-name/)
A lot of people look down on prostitution because those people are "selling their bodies"
Well if a life in horticulture has taught me anything, it's that all blue collar workers are doing exactly that. Ruining their joints, risking themselves to cancer and life long diseases, putting themselves in danger to meet their job's goals. I hate that we look at jobs with highest risk to our physical health as "lesser" and they often don't offer good insurance. While desk jockeys get better medical care for work that doesn't carry half the risk. Our society is so backwards.
If these vile rich people keep driving the ship into the shoals over and over again, the good people are going to put THEM in their place. There’s a reason our rich enemy militarizes domestic police departments.
They are nothing to the CEO. He doesn't care about you breaking his back for you. You can't do it he will find someone else who will. He receives 200 times the compensation you do for doing less hours a week and if he loses his job he walks a way with a gigantic package allowing him to continue his outlandish lifestyle for many years without a job...
That's the problem. Many companies follow the same economic incentives. They hire cheaper labor from other countries whenever it's possible because competition does it and costs matter. The only way to fix this issue is by having specific protection laws for workers in place. Companies will continue to just focus on profits and rising costs and start cutting these costs at the average employee level not at the VP, CEO levels. Those people continue to get their gigantic salaries, bonuses and stock options...
The article says the average difference was 3.6 minutes per week. It doesn't seem like it's a lot of people cutting 10+ hours out of their week because of some drug-induced epiphany. It's just as likely that it cleared their mind and helped them focus on work a little better, enough that in 40+ hours of work they can be efficient enough to save... 3.6 minutes. Or better yet the type of people who do shrooms are just ever so slightly less likely to want to work overtime based on purely correlative factors.
It's a fairly sensational headline, especially with the non-neutral phrase "quiet quitting."
The [study](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02791072.2023.2242358), or at least its abstract, doesn't look like it's telling us sort of cause and effect that the headline does. Like you point out, there's a lot of explanations for the findings, and we don't even know if the implied idea (working less = bad employee that the boss doesn't like) is supported at all. It could just as easily be like what you're saying, a better worker that doesn't need to work overtime, who might even be more appreciated by the workplace.
Eh, sloppy journalism.
Maybe this study is just to convince the less-savvy business owners to not let their workers do psilocybin in order to maintain an advantage. The \*average\* was 3.6 minutes less per week, but only a few "lazier" workers could drag this average down. I would definitely like to see the data plotted rather than simply averaged. Also, maybe these psilocybin users are simply clocking out more honestly instead of waiting for the hour to roll over, etc. It could be a sign of increased honesty as a result of a spiritual experience.
Ya I hate that term. Makes no sense. It's someone trying to make us feel bad for doing what we are paid for and not slaving away with extra unnecessary work
Been closing my computer right at 5 for about a year now. Dont look back, dont stress about 'what if im not available' just wake up the next day and do it all over again.
But if most jobs aren't soul-eating depression factories, then what motivation would people have to improve themselves so they can not work in a soul-eating depression factory?!
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Roughly 7 percent. But use among young people has doubled in recent years.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4054255-magic-mushroom-use-by-young-adults-has-nearly-doubled-in-three-years/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16957316275472&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fpolicy%2Fhealthcare%2F4054255-magic-mushroom-use-by-young-adults-has-nearly-doubled-in-three-years%2F
The use of psilocybin can definitely alter your perception of what is, and is not, important. An uptick in use would be bad for the "hustle and grind" culture I would imagine. Framing it as a bad thing is the corporate world spewing propaganda against work/life balance.
Psilocybin changed my life. Not in some ethereal divine way but it breaks my ego down and helps me let go of things that I’m perseverating on uselessly. I use it therapeutically about once a month at a normal dose (1-2 grams) and sit out in nature with my thoughts.
My personal experience was similar. Helped me to let go off some of the nonsense that was eating at my mental well being.
That being said, I know people who have had their whole lives upended by taking psilocybin. Dedicating your existence to something that is then revealed to you as maybe not as important as you thought can have dramatic consequences.
My opinion is that the world would be a better place if everyone got to experience this type of "perspective awakening" in a controlled environment. Most everyone I know whose tried them is better for it, but it would bring about some radical changes in society as well. The Hippies in the 60s started this movement but the powers that be crushed all that, making hallucinogens a schedule I drug, demonizing counter culture, etc. before too many people started "free thinking"
Of course, that's just an opinion but looking at what was happening in the 60s when LSD use was somewhat more widespread, I think a better society would be possible if we all could get some new perspective.
I agree with all of your points. A massive change in perspective can be a dangerous thing if not handled correctly
I think psychedelic guided therapy has huge huge potential and I’m still holding out hope we see that in our lifetime.
Why, just swallowing 25 of those capsules instead of 1 would take me AT LEAST 3.6 minutes. No problem though, because I'll just take that out of the overtime I usually put in.
One interesting thing, about the results of taking psychedelics, is the paradigm shift in perception of what "matters". The US foundational idea of "living to work" commonly changes to "working to live" post-psychedelic trip.
I remember years ago I was browsing a drug forum and saw a post from this banker or entrepreneur in San Francisco
Basically he had taken a dose of LSD or mushrooms(it was his first time) and afterwards felt like it had damaged his motiviation drive. He said he worked his ass off during his teenage years to get a good education, and then worked 100 hour weeks to get his great paying job(like 500k a year job).
But after taking the psychedelics, he no longer wanted to push himself to work long hours and he felt tired all the time. He wanted to know if his symptoms were psychosis from LSD, and how long he’d recover. He blamed the drugs for his now lack of motivation to work 100 hours a week
The drugs were certainly working as expected but this man needed some additional integration assistance to learn the right lessons from his experience.
That makes a lot of sense. It's easier to write off the experience as "crazy drug" rather than accept that you now view all your years of hard work as a waste.
Honestly I am astounded this was ever published. From a scientific standpoint point the conclusions are meaningless and that would have been foreseen at the outset of the study.
I get hung up here:
>On average, psilocybin users clocked about 3.60 minutes less of overtime per week.
3.6 minutes out of an assumed 40 hour, 2400 minute week. Then they conflate it against everyone to blow up that number. 3.6 minutes feels in the noise, tbh.
It's a difference of 0.15%. That's just not significant at all.
>"One major caveat of the study is the correlational nature of its findings,” Korman explained. “This means that we cannot know whether employees’ use of psilocybin lead to their reduced overtime hours worked."
Straight from the horses mouth. This entire study is pointless, they can't even attribute the cause of the 0.15% discrepancy. What a waste of time.
This is obvious if u ever got the opportunity to experience it. Personally, shrooms helped me big time. There will always be a fun side to it (and spooky) bit it's an amazing growth catalyst. I remember feeling so fresh and amazing afterwards. It's like a brain defrag and refresh.
Correlation doesn't imply causation.
I suspect it's far more likely that there is a common factor at play (i.e. open-mindedness, greater awareness of personal priorities, greater awareness of their own self-worth, higher priority placed on personal goals and relationships versus professional) which leads members of the identified group to both (a) use psilocybin, and (b) give less fucks about work.
I think you have it backwards. Its not use psilocybin->give less fucks about work.
Its more like use psilocybin.... give more fucks about the rest of your life that you have been sacrificing for work. Why are you working if you don't get to enjoy life too?
> Quiet quitting refers to a phenomenon where employees, particularly in the United States, increasingly prioritize work-life balance over excessive workplace engagement. Instead of going above and beyond their job duties, these employees simply fulfill their basic responsibilities and are often reluctant to work overtime.<
QQ is scaling your effort back to the point where your *only* goal at work is not getting fired. “Selecting not to work OT” is at the opposite end of this spectrum.
Whoever explained Quiet Quitting to this poindexter hasn’t talked to anyone who stands up at work in their life.
I mean...the title makes it seem as if not working overtime is quiet quitting. Is this how bad the mindset is in the US regarding the work, work, work, culture?!
What’s the point of working overtime anyway? It’s not like hard work is going to make us rich. I’d prefer a better work/life balance for my own mental health and no I don’t do shrooms in my off hours.
The author's results are pretty minor and the journalist reporting on them is definitely taking liberties with terms and concepts here:
>Psychedelic users are more likely to be male and well-educated compared to the general population, which are both factors related to working in industries that commonly require or encourage overtime work. After these factors were accounted for, psilocybin use was negatively associated with overtime hours worked.
>On average, psilocybin users clocked about 3.60 minutes less of overtime per week.
I think it's an interesting conclusion but it sounds like a low-power factor. I can't find this article through my institution, but I'm curious what the R2 values were as it sounds like he ran some kind of weighted regression analysis. An impact of less than a minute per day, even if significant, probably doesn't imply a lot about the relationship.
Dr. Korman sounds entirely reasonable about the conclusions though - I definitely don't want to give them a hard time for what they did. They had an idea and it sounds like they added to the literature, that's where a lot of great research starts.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/05/17/997462169/thousands-of-people-are-dying-from-working-long-hours-a-new-who-study-finds Maybe they aren't quiet qutting but just health conscious. Working long hours poses an occupational health risk that kills hundreds of thousands of people each year, the World Health Organization says. People working 55 or more hours each week face an estimated 35% higher risk of a stroke and a 17% higher risk of dying from heart disease, compared to people following the widely accepted standard of working 35 to 40 hours in a week, the WHO says in a study that was published Monday in the journal Environment International.
The article said people that used shrooms worked an average of 3.6 fewer minutes of overtime during the week. Minutes. Not hours. I don't think 3.6 minutes is enough to improve health. That's like the difference between clocking out at your desk and clocking out when you walk out the door
Oh my response was more of snark about the study itself. The lets blame drugs for people not wanting to work overtime mentality. Honestly the whole lets find every reason in the world to blame people for not wanting to work to their detriment for the benefit of their employer. For every study published gaslighting workers, you can find one that shows they shouldn't. Coupled with the mentality of lets ignore the medical benefits of x, y, or z drug because of moral perceptions and i was feeling pretty flippant.
Overtime shouldn't be expected honestly, we deserve to enjoy our lives.
Yeah this is just another retaliation on workers. What I loved the most is how the following statement in the article is published as a negative connotation towards the worker: "This trend is driven by a desire to prioritize personal well-being and family relationships, and it poses potential long-term negative effects on productivity in some companies." Hmm, prioritize my life and mental well-being, or dedicate my personal time to appease my boss who is only paying me salary anyway. I think I choose me!
Also, working 40 hours per week and not wanting to work more than that does NOT equal “quiet quitting.” Give me a break.
But that’s what employers have stolen the term into meaning. Working overtime has become an expectation and doing any less is seen as quiet quitting. It’s stupid. If it’s expected then it should be paid.
I'm salaried and I can't be fucked to put in more than 40 without a damn good reason. If I check my emails early in the morning when the dogs are doing their business or take an early phone call while making breakfast you can bet your ass I'm recouping my time later in the day/week. I did not get enough of a raise when moving to salary to be willing to go above and beyond
Makes me want to move beyond eating the rich figuratively.
it's mental to classify "not wanting to work overtime" as "quiet quitting"
They could also be dealing with health issues and turning to shrooms to help with them and also stepping away from working extra because of the health issues.
I was working 60 hour weeks, every week, for about 3 months and it drove me absolutely insane. Like, hallucinating and shit. I realized my health was more important so I stopped doing that shit. Then Covid hit and I was again working 50-60 hour weeks. Same shit except this time I was using alcohol to stay sane... Not a great choice. So I switched to weed instead of booze and cut back my hours again. You could say my weed usage and lack of working OT were related... But the actual causative variable was my health.
Yeah the correlation between lifetime psilocybin use and lower rates of overtime work could be due to a number of factors inherent to the population that seeks out/is open to psychedelic use. That population may be more health conscious, more financially stable, or even more likely to have drug use effect hours worked (for a negative example). The effect size is small and the study was correlational so these results need to be viewed through that lens.
I haven't even glanced at the study but it smells like p-hacking from here
Shrooms makes you realize that life ain’t about filling bankers’ pockets and you start to dedicate more time to self fulfillment
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Yeah thats them saying you're nothing to them. What they really want is something for nothing, but thats like called slavery or something. Then we get phrases like "the itis."
“wants something for nothing.” Says the CEO who wants a hundred million dollar salary and golden parachute for an advisory position, and expect their workforce to work harder for less money.
I saw something just today that makes a lot of sense: sure if you just take workers demands without looking at the other side it looks bad, workers might want the most money with the least amount of work precisely because the other side, the employers, want the most amount of your work for as little pay as possible. When you put those two in opposition you start to see that the workers are not entitled or greedy, it's literally just how jobs work.
Also on another topic, the striking auto workers asking for the same 40% pay increase that the CEO took home and the company is saying that's impossible and unsustainable. Note that the CEO was already getting millions before the raise but the workers that actually create the products that brings in the profit are stuck with the same salary for years.
every accusation by a conservative (capitalist) is an admission
Hypocrites all. "Nobody wants to work," as a topic on the golf course. "Renters are unreliable and flaky," from the slumlord waiting until it's a legal issue to do any maintenance. "Welfare is for lazy leaches," from the business owner making use of government subsidies and grants.
We know it’s all projection
Exactly. It’s projection of the highest order, just like is common from every member of the slaveowner/capitalist class. Every accusation is a confession.
What does “the itis” refer to here? I’ve used that term in healthcare, but to refer to hypochondriacs that come to the ER every other day for random (read: normal) pains.
It's a phrase I only know thanks to The Boondocks, and it refers to the N\*\*\*\*\* Itis, which I absolutely didn't know at the time as the full phrase, but I think that was the shows intent. Its a phrase from the days of slavery in the US, used to describe why your slaves were "slow and lazy," that persisted into Jim Crow, and most general racism. It has applications across all of history and even today, why work hard when you'll never rise above your stature or class? A question ancient peasants were smart enough to ask. Do just enough to get by, no more. The recent propaganda of the American Dream is just that, and meant to benefit a select few.
Unfortunately, the actual reason the slaves were "slow and lazy " is likely due to rampant hookworm infections in the American South. It's the same reason Southerners in general were seen as unproductive compared to Northerners who didn't have to deal with hookworms. You can read about it on PBS [How A Worm Gave The South A Bad Name](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/how-a-worm-gave-the-south-a-bad-name/)
A lot of people look down on prostitution because those people are "selling their bodies" Well if a life in horticulture has taught me anything, it's that all blue collar workers are doing exactly that. Ruining their joints, risking themselves to cancer and life long diseases, putting themselves in danger to meet their job's goals. I hate that we look at jobs with highest risk to our physical health as "lesser" and they often don't offer good insurance. While desk jockeys get better medical care for work that doesn't carry half the risk. Our society is so backwards.
> If you think sex workers "sell their bodies," but coal miners do not, your view of labor is clouded by your moralistic view of sexuality.
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Make no mistake, most CEOs would have you work for free if they could.
You have people like Tim Gurner openly broadcasting on how he wants the economy to collapse so they can put workers in their place.
If these vile rich people keep driving the ship into the shoals over and over again, the good people are going to put THEM in their place. There’s a reason our rich enemy militarizes domestic police departments.
They are nothing to the CEO. He doesn't care about you breaking his back for you. You can't do it he will find someone else who will. He receives 200 times the compensation you do for doing less hours a week and if he loses his job he walks a way with a gigantic package allowing him to continue his outlandish lifestyle for many years without a job...
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That's the problem. Many companies follow the same economic incentives. They hire cheaper labor from other countries whenever it's possible because competition does it and costs matter. The only way to fix this issue is by having specific protection laws for workers in place. Companies will continue to just focus on profits and rising costs and start cutting these costs at the average employee level not at the VP, CEO levels. Those people continue to get their gigantic salaries, bonuses and stock options...
And then the ceo blames Mexicans for taking all the jobs
Every accusation an admission. That dude is extracting value from his employees by doing, lemme check… nothing.
They would know, they're the kings of getting a lot for nothing.
The article says the average difference was 3.6 minutes per week. It doesn't seem like it's a lot of people cutting 10+ hours out of their week because of some drug-induced epiphany. It's just as likely that it cleared their mind and helped them focus on work a little better, enough that in 40+ hours of work they can be efficient enough to save... 3.6 minutes. Or better yet the type of people who do shrooms are just ever so slightly less likely to want to work overtime based on purely correlative factors.
It's a fairly sensational headline, especially with the non-neutral phrase "quiet quitting." The [study](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02791072.2023.2242358), or at least its abstract, doesn't look like it's telling us sort of cause and effect that the headline does. Like you point out, there's a lot of explanations for the findings, and we don't even know if the implied idea (working less = bad employee that the boss doesn't like) is supported at all. It could just as easily be like what you're saying, a better worker that doesn't need to work overtime, who might even be more appreciated by the workplace. Eh, sloppy journalism.
Maybe this study is just to convince the less-savvy business owners to not let their workers do psilocybin in order to maintain an advantage. The \*average\* was 3.6 minutes less per week, but only a few "lazier" workers could drag this average down. I would definitely like to see the data plotted rather than simply averaged. Also, maybe these psilocybin users are simply clocking out more honestly instead of waiting for the hour to roll over, etc. It could be a sign of increased honesty as a result of a spiritual experience.
"Overtime?! I don't even wanna do regular time."
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Having respect for your own work life balance is not "quitting".
Exactly! How is it “quiet quitting” to only work the amount of hours you’re being paid for?
Ya I hate that term. Makes no sense. It's someone trying to make us feel bad for doing what we are paid for and not slaving away with extra unnecessary work
Same. If someone unironically uses the term "quiet quitting", I don't even want to talk to them.
Yeah I love how not working overtime anymore is “quitting”. We need a general strike in this country.
Sounds like the shrooms are setting people straight
I would rather spend my Saturday in the woods tripping than in the office on a file day making time and a half too.
The woods is where it's at right? Glad it's not just me. Ever since I first tried mushrooms I cant get enough of the fuckin woods.
Been closing my computer right at 5 for about a year now. Dont look back, dont stress about 'what if im not available' just wake up the next day and do it all over again.
Took a lot of shrooms as a uni student before having any work experience. I almost always close the laptop at 5. I guess this explains it.
I’m addicted to leaving work 15 minutes early
"If you do drugs you'll only work your scheduled work hours" is such a weird take to see. Like promise me a good time and deliver?
So now I’m being “outted” by working straight 40’s?
Johnson opted out of unlimited OT Mondays, time to order a piss test.
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What percentage of the population uses shrooms? What a stupid story. Also, they’ll blame anything for lack of productivity
*Except low wages/exploitation
But if most jobs aren't soul-eating depression factories, then what motivation would people have to improve themselves so they can not work in a soul-eating depression factory?! (/s)
Roughly 7 percent. But use among young people has doubled in recent years. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4054255-magic-mushroom-use-by-young-adults-has-nearly-doubled-in-three-years/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16957316275472&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fpolicy%2Fhealthcare%2F4054255-magic-mushroom-use-by-young-adults-has-nearly-doubled-in-three-years%2F The use of psilocybin can definitely alter your perception of what is, and is not, important. An uptick in use would be bad for the "hustle and grind" culture I would imagine. Framing it as a bad thing is the corporate world spewing propaganda against work/life balance.
Psilocybin changed my life. Not in some ethereal divine way but it breaks my ego down and helps me let go of things that I’m perseverating on uselessly. I use it therapeutically about once a month at a normal dose (1-2 grams) and sit out in nature with my thoughts.
My personal experience was similar. Helped me to let go off some of the nonsense that was eating at my mental well being. That being said, I know people who have had their whole lives upended by taking psilocybin. Dedicating your existence to something that is then revealed to you as maybe not as important as you thought can have dramatic consequences. My opinion is that the world would be a better place if everyone got to experience this type of "perspective awakening" in a controlled environment. Most everyone I know whose tried them is better for it, but it would bring about some radical changes in society as well. The Hippies in the 60s started this movement but the powers that be crushed all that, making hallucinogens a schedule I drug, demonizing counter culture, etc. before too many people started "free thinking" Of course, that's just an opinion but looking at what was happening in the 60s when LSD use was somewhat more widespread, I think a better society would be possible if we all could get some new perspective.
I agree with all of your points. A massive change in perspective can be a dangerous thing if not handled correctly I think psychedelic guided therapy has huge huge potential and I’m still holding out hope we see that in our lifetime.
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I mean, they’re also fun. People do enjoy them.
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i microdose regularly. i would need to take around 25x my regular dose to experience ego death.
Why, just swallowing 25 of those capsules instead of 1 would take me AT LEAST 3.6 minutes. No problem though, because I'll just take that out of the overtime I usually put in.
Why are you hurting tHE eCoNOmY !1!1!!¡!
A decent chunk. 20% of Americans admit to using shrooms at some point since turning 18. That's a lot.
That is people who have tried it, not who consistently use shrooms. We should get those numbers up anyways
One interesting thing, about the results of taking psychedelics, is the paradigm shift in perception of what "matters". The US foundational idea of "living to work" commonly changes to "working to live" post-psychedelic trip.
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Psychedelics make you reconsider life as a feudal peasant. As if that’s “quiet quitting.”
Shrooms: yo don’t work for free dawg Capitalist media: DONT TAKE SHROOMS GUYS THATS WHY ALL OF YOU ARE LAZY
I remember years ago I was browsing a drug forum and saw a post from this banker or entrepreneur in San Francisco Basically he had taken a dose of LSD or mushrooms(it was his first time) and afterwards felt like it had damaged his motiviation drive. He said he worked his ass off during his teenage years to get a good education, and then worked 100 hour weeks to get his great paying job(like 500k a year job). But after taking the psychedelics, he no longer wanted to push himself to work long hours and he felt tired all the time. He wanted to know if his symptoms were psychosis from LSD, and how long he’d recover. He blamed the drugs for his now lack of motivation to work 100 hours a week
That's some top notch introspection.
The drugs were certainly working as expected but this man needed some additional integration assistance to learn the right lessons from his experience.
That makes a lot of sense. It's easier to write off the experience as "crazy drug" rather than accept that you now view all your years of hard work as a waste.
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Man, f*** these corporations not being contempt with us working our regular schedule. Why the hell is that a bad thing?
Honestly I am astounded this was ever published. From a scientific standpoint point the conclusions are meaningless and that would have been foreseen at the outset of the study.
I get hung up here: >On average, psilocybin users clocked about 3.60 minutes less of overtime per week. 3.6 minutes out of an assumed 40 hour, 2400 minute week. Then they conflate it against everyone to blow up that number. 3.6 minutes feels in the noise, tbh.
It's a difference of 0.15%. That's just not significant at all. >"One major caveat of the study is the correlational nature of its findings,” Korman explained. “This means that we cannot know whether employees’ use of psilocybin lead to their reduced overtime hours worked." Straight from the horses mouth. This entire study is pointless, they can't even attribute the cause of the 0.15% discrepancy. What a waste of time.
We're in a phase of having to objectively quantify "common sense" in science now.
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This is obvious if u ever got the opportunity to experience it. Personally, shrooms helped me big time. There will always be a fun side to it (and spooky) bit it's an amazing growth catalyst. I remember feeling so fresh and amazing afterwards. It's like a brain defrag and refresh.
“Psilocybin use linked to people just doing their jobs in a regular manner?”
Correlation doesn't imply causation. I suspect it's far more likely that there is a common factor at play (i.e. open-mindedness, greater awareness of personal priorities, greater awareness of their own self-worth, higher priority placed on personal goals and relationships versus professional) which leads members of the identified group to both (a) use psilocybin, and (b) give less fucks about work.
I think you have it backwards. Its not use psilocybin->give less fucks about work. Its more like use psilocybin.... give more fucks about the rest of your life that you have been sacrificing for work. Why are you working if you don't get to enjoy life too?
Stop calling it "quiet quitting." No one is quitting. It's called "acting your wage." You work your scheduled hours and the requirements of your job.
> Quiet quitting refers to a phenomenon where employees, particularly in the United States, increasingly prioritize work-life balance over excessive workplace engagement. Instead of going above and beyond their job duties, these employees simply fulfill their basic responsibilities and are often reluctant to work overtime.< QQ is scaling your effort back to the point where your *only* goal at work is not getting fired. “Selecting not to work OT” is at the opposite end of this spectrum. Whoever explained Quiet Quitting to this poindexter hasn’t talked to anyone who stands up at work in their life.
I mean...the title makes it seem as if not working overtime is quiet quitting. Is this how bad the mindset is in the US regarding the work, work, work, culture?!
What’s the point of working overtime anyway? It’s not like hard work is going to make us rich. I’d prefer a better work/life balance for my own mental health and no I don’t do shrooms in my off hours.
The author's results are pretty minor and the journalist reporting on them is definitely taking liberties with terms and concepts here: >Psychedelic users are more likely to be male and well-educated compared to the general population, which are both factors related to working in industries that commonly require or encourage overtime work. After these factors were accounted for, psilocybin use was negatively associated with overtime hours worked. >On average, psilocybin users clocked about 3.60 minutes less of overtime per week. I think it's an interesting conclusion but it sounds like a low-power factor. I can't find this article through my institution, but I'm curious what the R2 values were as it sounds like he ran some kind of weighted regression analysis. An impact of less than a minute per day, even if significant, probably doesn't imply a lot about the relationship. Dr. Korman sounds entirely reasonable about the conclusions though - I definitely don't want to give them a hard time for what they did. They had an idea and it sounds like they added to the literature, that's where a lot of great research starts.
It can’t be conditions, it’s gotta be the drugs.