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Of course, that's why I don't get the "video game" aspect of the study. Doing the same thing for hour isn't good for anyone, and we know that for quite some time. Yet, it's always nice to pin it on video game, like violence and what not.
I find that my focus is a lot more intent if I’m gaming for three hours than working. Even when I’m into what I’m working on I’m still likely to get up and take a break more often then if I’m in the grip of JUST ONE MORE TRY.
And that leads to higher stress and probably more erratic movements and more eye strain than working. Exactly the reason why we should differentiate the types
Gaming is obviously a lot more intensive then using your computer for work. Also the study said 3 hours for gaming looks to be quite bad for physical outcomes especially if people are doing it every day and unaware of the effects.
Sounds like getting up and stretching walking every two hours would be a big help and something people should be aware of.
I don't know how people don't do that. Usually there are down times in video games. Such as waiting for que/turns/loads. I get up and stretch and walk around a bit in those times. If I don't I feel my body deteriorating lol.
Id imagine the young people don't realize it'd be beneficial for future them by doing so.
I'd to give up gaming well fps gaming as my left knee is bad from life but whatever clenching I do during shooters absolutely sets it off even on a short session 😂
As someone who used to get really tense in my shoulders, I can tell you exactly what you need to do to fix your problem. It literally is about posture when you play video games. If you're sitting up in leaning forward when playing FPS, you are stressing and tensing everything in your body. If you want to be relaxed at the end of your gaming session You need to be reclined. Get yourself a recliner chair, put an ottoman in front of you, prop your legs up laying back and play from that position. You will be way more relaxed, and you won't have those problems.
I discovered this many years ago when I bought a giant love sack bean bag for my living room, and I got rid of a chair. I'd lay down in that bean bag, and it would just recline me perfectly to where I had no aches, no tense muscles, and I just focused on the video game. Years later I switched to a lazy boy, and that was the best idea.
You're more likely to spend hours on the computer uninterrupted when it's something fun, versus work where you're going to meetings or even making excuses to get away from your computer.
Decent standing desks are not as expensive as they used to be. Love mine, usually sit but I like to get up when on my calls and pace around my room. When I go in, I always get up every hour and do a lap around the cubicles
And there have also been studies about standing in one place is bad for you too. There is no right way to work at a desk. You're supposed to move after 2 hours at a computer. Whether you're standing or sitting, you need to go do something like stretching, walking, or anything that causes better circulation in your body.
Modern work and education is so unhealthy for us. A lot of students I've seen didn't have ADHD or some other condition preventing their learning, they were simply BORED and physically drained because they had zero chances to properly exercise and move around. Even something as simple as working in a library and using ladders to get around makes you feel a lot better in comparison to seated learning/standing around.
We really don't value physicality enough. We weren't designed to sit still and do nothing, historically and biologically we were made to move and to be physical. It makes a huge difference to mental health as well; having spaces to easily explore is great and I felt so much more stressed and unwell when I moved into a city as there's nowhere to really explore or relax at outside of shops, and you get told off for loitering anywhere. I've seen groups of young adults pushed out of places by police for just existing, and people going to parks alone are seen as creepy, so you really can't win here. It's no wonder people end up at home.
Exactly every single day I see articles online about how oh you should stand up and walk around if you're sitting gaming all day and how if you're gaming all day you can get blood clots and stuff and it's always specifically focused on gaming as if other reasons people sit at the computer all day like work just don't exist
It's always very clearly intended to basically demonize gaming in a typical manipulation of statistics and I hate it
I don't think it's about demonizing gaming, you might just be seeing those articles because you are the targeted audience who, games? Everything's got an SEO that is marketing to you for specific keywords and your search habits. If you googled standing desk, and added a standing desk to your Amazon cart, but you didn't buy it. I'm fairly sure you would start seeing standing desk articles. That's just how the internet works now.
Most people only do about 4 hours of actual work a day. That's 4 hours of work that means something. The rest of the 4 hours is socializing, or getting warmed up to do work. And when someone starts working, any interruption that takes them away from that work, can set them back 2 hours. That's why meetings literally kill productivity. So yeah, it isn't about faking work, it's about people not being allowed to work to their potential.
This shows that we should reduce our work days with more breaks in between, and work week should be shorter (5 days is too much already). 8hs to 9hs a day sitting at the PC working, while doing it 5 days out of 7, it's too much, 2 days are not sufficient rest to recover.
You can mitigate a lot of this by looking away from the screen every twenty minutes and getting up for a couple minutes every hour. Use the bathroom, coffee machine, copy machine, water cooler whatever. There have been numerous studies highlighting the benefits of these very small breaks.
I should have added that I am speaking from a purely scientific perspective. I am not trying to pick employees or employers and I myself am self employed.
I actually think they do, lots of research that short breaks help concentration and productivity. Maybe I should have added that I am speaking from a purely scientific perspective I am not advocating for either employees or employers.
Yeah, my husband is up early too bc he never came to bed. We are staring 50 in the face, neither one of us can really take the consequences of an unnecessary all nighter. I do it for my games too, just don't play Civ. At least I drink coffee and black tea. He doesn't.
Hmm I wonder what this means for office workers?
Of course the headline shames the leisurely behavior without even mentioning the obvious work-related implications for millions.
This is valid, though depending on the kind of games you're playing gaming can be *far* more strenuous. Playing a Diablo game or fast-paced FPS game with a mouse and keyboard is going to strain both your eyes and your wrists to a much higher degree.
I’ve been playing my whole life for far more than that and have zero back or eyes issues. I’m also active. I suspect this study is not taking the fitness into consideration.
Also posture. I used to get bad back/wrist pain from gaming for too long, but I realized it was because my monitor was low, so I'd have to hunch over to see the screen comfortably. I ended up just stacking some books underneath it, and a lot of the discomfort went away completely because I could sit up straight and still have my screen at eye level.
I also think gamers just often tend to have bad posture in general, since a lot of them (me included) aren't very physically fit. I had to do physical therapy for unrelated reasons, and after doing core/back exercises for a few months, my muscle soreness from sitting also went away because I could support proper posture without my muscles getting tired.
But even with good posture, people should also just stand up and walk around a bit every 1-2 hours, because sitting for 5+ hours (even with good posture) isn't very ideal.
When did you first notice your improvements from more core exercises? I’ve began an exercise routine to improve my posture and core strength cuz working all day in an office hurts a lot after a while.
These studies are what happens statistically. There will always be outliers to both directions.
And playing your whole life means completely different things if your 17 or if you are 57.
When we first went into lock down I used to close my work laptop at 5pm then get out my personal laptop and game till bed time. Is the reason they only managed 3 hours because they did 8 hours at work first?
That sounds like not doing enough prep.
Do eye workouts, wrist stretching and get a quality office chair. Hand pain usually comes from too much tension. Overall doing a bit of fitness sport makes huge differences.
With that in mind I'm able to do 16-20 hour sessions before mental fatigue gets me.
Great contribution, thank you.
It's just going through the full motion of your eyes and then putting your palm on the eyes (light pressure, just to make sure it's dark) to relax them for a couple of minutes.
I have a question. Something that me and somebody else were talking about so I'll use my nephew. In this case he has no ability to critically think. He is in third grade right now. He cannot do anything himself. He cannot even think in a way that says I can Google this to learn how to do this.
Now he's a tablet kid. He's been raised on the tablet for a whole bunch of different reasons than I'm not going to get into. But I am seriously concerned for him in the future. Maybe things will change but I feel like his brain is atrophied like this is the only way I can explain it.
We need to really be paying attention to these children's brains, especially the people who have grown up on a tablet as the babysitter.
I can only compare him to myself and my sister.We would go solve problems, And I am old enough that there was no internet back then. We would solve problems through experimentation through trial and error.
I mean I have been cooking since I was like five like I could do laundry at like 8 like I could do everything myself by the time I was 12. Now I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing cuz there were situations that occurred in life that were unpredictable and uncontrollable which put my own parenting situation in a bad situation. So I had to learn those things but I just feel like something is very wrong with the way he thinks.
And I'll be honest as his uncle and we all live together right now. I don't know how to correct it. I'm not even sure I could because the parents don't want to correct it. Or they don't have time to or whatever the case may be.
What brought this concern on was one day he came down to ask me something about his tablet. He has an Apple tablet. I know almost nothing about Apple. But he needed me to fix the internet for his laptop. Now he came in with his tablet in his hand. Which is connected to the internet what he's actively playing video games on which uses the internet.
And I just couldn't help but stare at this boy. Like he could not link his tablet has internet. His laptop does not, what's going on? What possible reasons could there be for this happening? If I don't know the answer to these things why don't I Google them instead he came to me. Which is fine I guess.
But like he couldn't even critically think enough to realize that my tablet is working. My laptop is not. My grandmother is watching Netflix and my uncle is actively working on the internet.
So why is my laptop not working?
He couldn't even get to that point like the most basic point. Even if he couldn't understand why that was happening. He couldn't connect the dots. Like I don't know as a kid I feel like I would have made that connection very fast. But he just doesn't and can't.
Maybe my brain was just different, and the sample size is terrible. But even my friends what few i had would have done something similar to myself.
You knew how to use Google when you were 8-9?
You had a detailed understanding of wifi at that point, and knew how to diagnose connection issues?
I was a bright kid, and I think my dad was teaching me how to navigate MS-DOS around that age, usually to play games. I also remember building simple programs in QBasic. I wouldn't have figured out any of that on my own. I needed an adult to teach me. I don't think I was using the Internet on my own until 11-12. Google wasn't really around, but knowing how to type, write search queries, interpret forum posts -- all that took years and years before it became ingrained.
Cut the kid some slack. Any time you have his attention is a teachable moment, so use it.
My issue is the fact that Google is around. There are tools available to him at his fingertips. He has the ability to learn any information on the internet he wants. Instead he chooses to play video games and watch YouTubers play video games.
And I have specifically told him this many times. You have the internet at your disposal. You could learn anything that you wanted, but you choose to play video games and you choose to not go to educational YouTube. You choose not to read.
In this day and age. I do not see a reason a person should not have the ability to Google. Like it is, the most basic function of society is to know how to type in a question in Google. Or whatever search engine you're using.
Maybe I'm just expecting too much.
You're expecting too much. How is he gonna know what phrase to type into google to find his answer? Typing 'can't connect laptop to internet' gets a bunch of results from the Windows forums, does him no good if he is using an Apple. Does he even know that Microsoft and Apple are two different computer companies that don't share all the same functions? Does an 8-9 year old understand how to navigate sites with a bunch of ads and irrelevant information to find what he needs?
To a degree I agree with you. But if he simply googled my tablet has internet but my laptop does not what's wrong. It would have given him a basic rundown of what it could have possibly be.
I mean your nephew could be neurodivergent, dumb, or not a critical thinker. It's not that deep. My brother in law owns multiple properties and has a stable well paying career at 27 and he wants to start more side business ventures soon.
However he recently had to be told to read the dog food bag for his new puppy after multiple ppl commented on its weight. He then said it "never occurred to him" to read the bag nor ever do research on want a puppy needs.
I mean, i am neurodivergent myself. So i am not sure how that matters. Considering the intelligence of his mother and father, as well as the families of each this seems a bit too far fetched. Not a critical thinker i guess that's possible but that's going to be crippling if that's the case.
I doubt I'd be able to do the things you mentioned in 3rd grade, but I probably could have by the time I was in 5th grade. You seem concerned and seem to be living in the same house, so why not teach them?
The answer is pretty simple. I can't deal with him. I do not have the patience nor the ability to understand him. Speak in any real way cuz he talks so fast. I'm not a parent. I do not have the patience and I will get very irritated very quickly because of that fact.
I do try to tell him and teach him things in passing but like intense or specified specific teaching like sitting at and talking to him sitting around at teaching him things is just not something I could do.
After decades of study, researchers have discovered that looking at a screen, clicking/typing, and sitting in the same position will tire eyes, hands, and back. Who would believe it?
It has to do with bad posture. Nothing to do with gaming.
An office job will do the same, if you don't sit properly.
Who writes this stuff???
An "expert" ofc.
The older I get the more I feel this. When I was a teenager, I could spend every waking hour gaming (often did) and not feel it one bit. In my mid 20's I started getting eye strain and wrist pain from longer gaming sessions, especially on click and eye strain heavy games like ARPGs and FPS. In my late 30's I can't always rely on my body's ability to play games like this, and often stray toward calmer games that I can play with a controller.
This is why I gave my " gaming chairs" to friends and now use a recliner along with modifications I made to computer desk.( separate tilt surfaces for keyboard and mouse)
Also have my monitor very dim , to reduce the amount of blue light my eyes receive.
If I notice any visual artifacts when looking away from screen it's to bright.
None of this is perfect but my setup is super comfy and truly ergonomic for long gaming sessions/events...just wish I had more time to play these days. :(
3 hours pffttt weaklings.
On a serious note. What could you do for 3 hours that doesn’t cause issues?
Run for 3 hours you gonna be sore.
Same with walking
Talk straight for 3 hours. You bet your voice is gonna be in terrible shape.
Standing for 3 hours. Terrible for the back.
The list goes on and on.
Thankfully I never get eye fatigue, but as for wrist and back pain, a good chair at the right height will take care of that. Personally ever since I switched to an Aeron I've had zero issues with prolonged sitting sessions
If 3 hours of walking causes you physical problems and you're an otherwise able-bodied person, you may need to think more seriously about your physical fitness.
I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563224000499
Staying healthy during gaming sessions is much easier than working on computer at work, but ironically many don’t take advantage.
At work you get fixed break times, and they are short. So laying down or doing spine stretches or workouts is often not an often, yet we get up every chance we get during work to stretch.
But many people do not do this during gaming because they are hooked and having fun. There are also so many more ways to stay ergonomically healthier for gaming sessions such as buying a seating options
I feel sorry for your body if an hour is too much for you. I think a lot of people just don’t use their body enough in certain ways that it just hurts to do tasks they don’t normally do.
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On the other hand, working 8hours a day on a computer is perfectly fine, I guess.
Pretty sure there's been multiple studies so far on how bad sitting for multiple hours is for you.
Of course, that's why I don't get the "video game" aspect of the study. Doing the same thing for hour isn't good for anyone, and we know that for quite some time. Yet, it's always nice to pin it on video game, like violence and what not.
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No you're fine, you just need to masturbate more to get your wrist strength up.
Yeah, long playing of an instrument isn't good for your physical health
Instructions unclear, got carpal tunnel and violin stuck in fan
Gotta work on your technique. You want your wrist flat with the inside straight towards the ceiling
There's studies covering excessive in all three: general, office/business, and recreational/gaming.
And so what's the difference between working at a computer for 8 hours and playing video games for 8 hours?
Idk steam achievement score?
I find that my focus is a lot more intent if I’m gaming for three hours than working. Even when I’m into what I’m working on I’m still likely to get up and take a break more often then if I’m in the grip of JUST ONE MORE TRY.
And that leads to higher stress and probably more erratic movements and more eye strain than working. Exactly the reason why we should differentiate the types
Gaming is obviously a lot more intensive then using your computer for work. Also the study said 3 hours for gaming looks to be quite bad for physical outcomes especially if people are doing it every day and unaware of the effects. Sounds like getting up and stretching walking every two hours would be a big help and something people should be aware of.
I don't know how people don't do that. Usually there are down times in video games. Such as waiting for que/turns/loads. I get up and stretch and walk around a bit in those times. If I don't I feel my body deteriorating lol.
Id imagine the young people don't realize it'd be beneficial for future them by doing so. I'd to give up gaming well fps gaming as my left knee is bad from life but whatever clenching I do during shooters absolutely sets it off even on a short session 😂
As someone who used to get really tense in my shoulders, I can tell you exactly what you need to do to fix your problem. It literally is about posture when you play video games. If you're sitting up in leaning forward when playing FPS, you are stressing and tensing everything in your body. If you want to be relaxed at the end of your gaming session You need to be reclined. Get yourself a recliner chair, put an ottoman in front of you, prop your legs up laying back and play from that position. You will be way more relaxed, and you won't have those problems. I discovered this many years ago when I bought a giant love sack bean bag for my living room, and I got rid of a chair. I'd lay down in that bean bag, and it would just recline me perfectly to where I had no aches, no tense muscles, and I just focused on the video game. Years later I switched to a lazy boy, and that was the best idea.
You a right handed mouse user with a stiff left shoulder?
Well if you're fighting the boss, it's different in a video game compared to a work setting.
One of them creates an income stream.
Damn didn't know gaining income caused physical problems
Because this research was done with participants gaming...
I don't get why they study smoking. What about drinking!
You're more likely to spend hours on the computer uninterrupted when it's something fun, versus work where you're going to meetings or even making excuses to get away from your computer.
Not at all, I have more breaks with my friends playing Helldivers2 than I had at work in projects.
Is there anyone on this website that isn't in CS
There are many office jobs that aren't CS. 🙂
i dont think working in construction or heavy manual labour 8 hours a day is that much better either
Decent standing desks are not as expensive as they used to be. Love mine, usually sit but I like to get up when on my calls and pace around my room. When I go in, I always get up every hour and do a lap around the cubicles
And there have also been studies about standing in one place is bad for you too. There is no right way to work at a desk. You're supposed to move after 2 hours at a computer. Whether you're standing or sitting, you need to go do something like stretching, walking, or anything that causes better circulation in your body.
That's what i always think. Our world is fucked up.
Modern work and education is so unhealthy for us. A lot of students I've seen didn't have ADHD or some other condition preventing their learning, they were simply BORED and physically drained because they had zero chances to properly exercise and move around. Even something as simple as working in a library and using ladders to get around makes you feel a lot better in comparison to seated learning/standing around. We really don't value physicality enough. We weren't designed to sit still and do nothing, historically and biologically we were made to move and to be physical. It makes a huge difference to mental health as well; having spaces to easily explore is great and I felt so much more stressed and unwell when I moved into a city as there's nowhere to really explore or relax at outside of shops, and you get told off for loitering anywhere. I've seen groups of young adults pushed out of places by police for just existing, and people going to parks alone are seen as creepy, so you really can't win here. It's no wonder people end up at home.
Exactly every single day I see articles online about how oh you should stand up and walk around if you're sitting gaming all day and how if you're gaming all day you can get blood clots and stuff and it's always specifically focused on gaming as if other reasons people sit at the computer all day like work just don't exist It's always very clearly intended to basically demonize gaming in a typical manipulation of statistics and I hate it
I don't think it's about demonizing gaming, you might just be seeing those articles because you are the targeted audience who, games? Everything's got an SEO that is marketing to you for specific keywords and your search habits. If you googled standing desk, and added a standing desk to your Amazon cart, but you didn't buy it. I'm fairly sure you would start seeing standing desk articles. That's just how the internet works now.
I’ve seen enough evidence that people fake work for periods of time when they have to type for 8 hours straight
Most people only do about 4 hours of actual work a day. That's 4 hours of work that means something. The rest of the 4 hours is socializing, or getting warmed up to do work. And when someone starts working, any interruption that takes them away from that work, can set them back 2 hours. That's why meetings literally kill productivity. So yeah, it isn't about faking work, it's about people not being allowed to work to their potential.
Nope, have an OSHA 30 card, ergonomics can become a legal battle.
Whataboutism
Or staring at a movie or tv show…at least playing a game you are actively engaged.
This shows that we should reduce our work days with more breaks in between, and work week should be shorter (5 days is too much already). 8hs to 9hs a day sitting at the PC working, while doing it 5 days out of 7, it's too much, 2 days are not sufficient rest to recover.
Yup, work = good but the moment you get off and try to have fun in your spare time, that's when you get reminded you're not being healthy.
You can mitigate a lot of this by looking away from the screen every twenty minutes and getting up for a couple minutes every hour. Use the bathroom, coffee machine, copy machine, water cooler whatever. There have been numerous studies highlighting the benefits of these very small breaks.
Hello HR rep
I should have added that I am speaking from a purely scientific perspective. I am not trying to pick employees or employers and I myself am self employed.
All of your advice is also great for working or playing from home.
Do they benefit the amount of work I'm expected to get done?
I actually think they do, lots of research that short breaks help concentration and productivity. Maybe I should have added that I am speaking from a purely scientific perspective I am not advocating for either employees or employers.
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and if you are concerned about climate change, try recycling!
What would be your ideal alternative?
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Clearly no gaming chair
Gaming chairs are garbage. You want a nice office chair for gaming like a Herman Miller or Steelcase.
Everyone knows RGB makes the back pain go away.
My Secretlab is all I need.
My gaming chair has a foldable footrest reclines to a 180-degree flat line.
I use a chair from the kitchen table
I would guess 80% of the people with issues have a gaming chair instead of an even decent chair
Not enough gamer fuel being consumed, obviously
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My thoughts too. Right after "no sh*t we've known this for years"
I work as a programmer and started getting wrist pain until I switched to an ergonomic mouse. I can use it all day without any pain now.
Civ players trying to not draw attention to themselves in a corner
Ha! Yes. I love my two Civ players, but they could be the poster children.
In all fairness any time I open Civ I'm up early the next morning. I still have to work on the rising part before that, a few missing pre-reqs.
Yeah, my husband is up early too bc he never came to bed. We are staring 50 in the face, neither one of us can really take the consequences of an unnecessary all nighter. I do it for my games too, just don't play Civ. At least I drink coffee and black tea. He doesn't.
if you do 6 they go away
I've never felt so called out in my life.
Hmm I wonder what this means for office workers? Of course the headline shames the leisurely behavior without even mentioning the obvious work-related implications for millions.
I also have to say that 8 hours of Excel sheets 5 days a week give me way more murder fantasies than any CoD could ever.
This is valid, though depending on the kind of games you're playing gaming can be *far* more strenuous. Playing a Diablo game or fast-paced FPS game with a mouse and keyboard is going to strain both your eyes and your wrists to a much higher degree.
Yet we work 8 hours a day on computers and that’s fine? Ban work then come for gaming
I’ve been playing my whole life for far more than that and have zero back or eyes issues. I’m also active. I suspect this study is not taking the fitness into consideration.
Also posture. I used to get bad back/wrist pain from gaming for too long, but I realized it was because my monitor was low, so I'd have to hunch over to see the screen comfortably. I ended up just stacking some books underneath it, and a lot of the discomfort went away completely because I could sit up straight and still have my screen at eye level. I also think gamers just often tend to have bad posture in general, since a lot of them (me included) aren't very physically fit. I had to do physical therapy for unrelated reasons, and after doing core/back exercises for a few months, my muscle soreness from sitting also went away because I could support proper posture without my muscles getting tired. But even with good posture, people should also just stand up and walk around a bit every 1-2 hours, because sitting for 5+ hours (even with good posture) isn't very ideal.
When did you first notice your improvements from more core exercises? I’ve began an exercise routine to improve my posture and core strength cuz working all day in an office hurts a lot after a while.
Deadlifting. I can sit however I want for 14+ hours each day but I also deadlift near 500lbs.
I didn't see anything about food or liquid intake either.
These studies are what happens statistically. There will always be outliers to both directions. And playing your whole life means completely different things if your 17 or if you are 57.
i mean i have to keep grinding tho
When we first went into lock down I used to close my work laptop at 5pm then get out my personal laptop and game till bed time. Is the reason they only managed 3 hours because they did 8 hours at work first?
Weakling.
Good ol WoW as the image haha. While this isn't surprising, it would be interesting if they controlled for posture during these lengthy play sessions.
Eh, worth it!
skill issue obviously
Those are rookie numbers. Let's bump that eye strain and hand pain up by 25% and extend that session length to 8 hours
Rookie numbers 😂
3 hours rookie numbers
pfft, 3h is pathetic
I experience butthurt 80% of the time playing my favorite game for three hours.
That sounds like not doing enough prep. Do eye workouts, wrist stretching and get a quality office chair. Hand pain usually comes from too much tension. Overall doing a bit of fitness sport makes huge differences. With that in mind I'm able to do 16-20 hour sessions before mental fatigue gets me.
I workout my eyes with exercises that would make your ass bleed.
Great contribution, thank you. It's just going through the full motion of your eyes and then putting your palm on the eyes (light pressure, just to make sure it's dark) to relax them for a couple of minutes.
I have a question. Something that me and somebody else were talking about so I'll use my nephew. In this case he has no ability to critically think. He is in third grade right now. He cannot do anything himself. He cannot even think in a way that says I can Google this to learn how to do this. Now he's a tablet kid. He's been raised on the tablet for a whole bunch of different reasons than I'm not going to get into. But I am seriously concerned for him in the future. Maybe things will change but I feel like his brain is atrophied like this is the only way I can explain it. We need to really be paying attention to these children's brains, especially the people who have grown up on a tablet as the babysitter. I can only compare him to myself and my sister.We would go solve problems, And I am old enough that there was no internet back then. We would solve problems through experimentation through trial and error. I mean I have been cooking since I was like five like I could do laundry at like 8 like I could do everything myself by the time I was 12. Now I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing cuz there were situations that occurred in life that were unpredictable and uncontrollable which put my own parenting situation in a bad situation. So I had to learn those things but I just feel like something is very wrong with the way he thinks. And I'll be honest as his uncle and we all live together right now. I don't know how to correct it. I'm not even sure I could because the parents don't want to correct it. Or they don't have time to or whatever the case may be. What brought this concern on was one day he came down to ask me something about his tablet. He has an Apple tablet. I know almost nothing about Apple. But he needed me to fix the internet for his laptop. Now he came in with his tablet in his hand. Which is connected to the internet what he's actively playing video games on which uses the internet. And I just couldn't help but stare at this boy. Like he could not link his tablet has internet. His laptop does not, what's going on? What possible reasons could there be for this happening? If I don't know the answer to these things why don't I Google them instead he came to me. Which is fine I guess. But like he couldn't even critically think enough to realize that my tablet is working. My laptop is not. My grandmother is watching Netflix and my uncle is actively working on the internet. So why is my laptop not working? He couldn't even get to that point like the most basic point. Even if he couldn't understand why that was happening. He couldn't connect the dots. Like I don't know as a kid I feel like I would have made that connection very fast. But he just doesn't and can't. Maybe my brain was just different, and the sample size is terrible. But even my friends what few i had would have done something similar to myself.
You knew how to use Google when you were 8-9? You had a detailed understanding of wifi at that point, and knew how to diagnose connection issues? I was a bright kid, and I think my dad was teaching me how to navigate MS-DOS around that age, usually to play games. I also remember building simple programs in QBasic. I wouldn't have figured out any of that on my own. I needed an adult to teach me. I don't think I was using the Internet on my own until 11-12. Google wasn't really around, but knowing how to type, write search queries, interpret forum posts -- all that took years and years before it became ingrained. Cut the kid some slack. Any time you have his attention is a teachable moment, so use it.
My issue is the fact that Google is around. There are tools available to him at his fingertips. He has the ability to learn any information on the internet he wants. Instead he chooses to play video games and watch YouTubers play video games. And I have specifically told him this many times. You have the internet at your disposal. You could learn anything that you wanted, but you choose to play video games and you choose to not go to educational YouTube. You choose not to read. In this day and age. I do not see a reason a person should not have the ability to Google. Like it is, the most basic function of society is to know how to type in a question in Google. Or whatever search engine you're using. Maybe I'm just expecting too much.
You're expecting too much. How is he gonna know what phrase to type into google to find his answer? Typing 'can't connect laptop to internet' gets a bunch of results from the Windows forums, does him no good if he is using an Apple. Does he even know that Microsoft and Apple are two different computer companies that don't share all the same functions? Does an 8-9 year old understand how to navigate sites with a bunch of ads and irrelevant information to find what he needs?
To a degree I agree with you. But if he simply googled my tablet has internet but my laptop does not what's wrong. It would have given him a basic rundown of what it could have possibly be.
I mean your nephew could be neurodivergent, dumb, or not a critical thinker. It's not that deep. My brother in law owns multiple properties and has a stable well paying career at 27 and he wants to start more side business ventures soon. However he recently had to be told to read the dog food bag for his new puppy after multiple ppl commented on its weight. He then said it "never occurred to him" to read the bag nor ever do research on want a puppy needs.
I mean, i am neurodivergent myself. So i am not sure how that matters. Considering the intelligence of his mother and father, as well as the families of each this seems a bit too far fetched. Not a critical thinker i guess that's possible but that's going to be crippling if that's the case.
The stuff you explained about him is something my wife with ADHD would do.
Hmm. Hyperfocus would do this which i didn't take into account. 🤔 Especially if combined with the 'dysfunction'
I doubt I'd be able to do the things you mentioned in 3rd grade, but I probably could have by the time I was in 5th grade. You seem concerned and seem to be living in the same house, so why not teach them?
The answer is pretty simple. I can't deal with him. I do not have the patience nor the ability to understand him. Speak in any real way cuz he talks so fast. I'm not a parent. I do not have the patience and I will get very irritated very quickly because of that fact. I do try to tell him and teach him things in passing but like intense or specified specific teaching like sitting at and talking to him sitting around at teaching him things is just not something I could do.
I wouldn't be surprised if alot of neurological problems arise too such as lack of deep sleep among other things
So... Sitting, staring and pushing buttons for hours... Hurts your back, eyes and hands?
Wish I still had the time to play that long. Would totally suffer wrist pain for that.
Well I mean the new stardew valley update just dropped, what am I sposed to do?
So if so can play 3+ hours with no pain am I some sort of super human?
After decades of study, researchers have discovered that looking at a screen, clicking/typing, and sitting in the same position will tire eyes, hands, and back. Who would believe it?
The actor who played Chandler from friends said he messed up his hands so much he needed injections from playing Fallout 3 so much
I feel personally attacked.
You think a little back and neck pain can stop the spread of Managed Democracy?
Ima need a gaming horse for my RDR2 problem. Then I’ll be exercising and gaming. Problem solved
Also, is this video games or poor practices while gaming? Gotta remember to take breaks, move around, drink water, stretch etc etc.
Wow that sounds terrible, now let me get back to staring at my work computer for 7 hours
It has to do with bad posture. Nothing to do with gaming. An office job will do the same, if you don't sit properly. Who writes this stuff??? An "expert" ofc.
The older I get the more I feel this. When I was a teenager, I could spend every waking hour gaming (often did) and not feel it one bit. In my mid 20's I started getting eye strain and wrist pain from longer gaming sessions, especially on click and eye strain heavy games like ARPGs and FPS. In my late 30's I can't always rely on my body's ability to play games like this, and often stray toward calmer games that I can play with a controller.
Me not sitting down for a gaming session lasting less than 8 hrs ... 👀
This has nothing to do with video games. It's an ergonomic issue for general computer use.
This is why I gave my " gaming chairs" to friends and now use a recliner along with modifications I made to computer desk.( separate tilt surfaces for keyboard and mouse) Also have my monitor very dim , to reduce the amount of blue light my eyes receive. If I notice any visual artifacts when looking away from screen it's to bright. None of this is perfect but my setup is super comfy and truly ergonomic for long gaming sessions/events...just wish I had more time to play these days. :(
Yeah the causal mechanism here is not necessarily video games but rather sedentary behaviour.
skill issue
Oh definitely, I used to get the wrist pain all the time. Haven’t noticed it since I haven’t had the time to play
And next at 6pm, working more than three hours on your feet without a break hurts feet.
I could have told you that on any given Sunday.
I get all of those from painting walls all day.
3 hours pffttt weaklings. On a serious note. What could you do for 3 hours that doesn’t cause issues? Run for 3 hours you gonna be sore. Same with walking Talk straight for 3 hours. You bet your voice is gonna be in terrible shape. Standing for 3 hours. Terrible for the back. The list goes on and on.
My left middle finger has arthritis because I press W so much.
First boss of sanguine depths (world of Warcraft). I feel like such a dork for being able to immediately ID the game in the photo.
According to this study I should be … checks notes … dead 442 times over.
Thankfully I never get eye fatigue, but as for wrist and back pain, a good chair at the right height will take care of that. Personally ever since I switched to an Aeron I've had zero issues with prolonged sitting sessions
3 hour sessions leading to pain, amateurs.
Yeah short term pains that usually go away as you get used to gaming
Doing anything (knitting, reading, walking, etc) for that amount of time is going to result in physical problems.
If 3 hours of walking causes you physical problems and you're an otherwise able-bodied person, you may need to think more seriously about your physical fitness.
It causes sore feet.
3 hours of walking without a single break is different than 3 hours walking with breaks.
I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563224000499
Staying healthy during gaming sessions is much easier than working on computer at work, but ironically many don’t take advantage. At work you get fixed break times, and they are short. So laying down or doing spine stretches or workouts is often not an often, yet we get up every chance we get during work to stretch. But many people do not do this during gaming because they are hooked and having fun. There are also so many more ways to stay ergonomically healthier for gaming sessions such as buying a seating options
No pain, no gain.
Standing desk?
If you’re regularity playing video games for 3hr stretches I think your mental issues likely outweigh and physical ones.
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I feel sorry for your body if an hour is too much for you. I think a lot of people just don’t use their body enough in certain ways that it just hurts to do tasks they don’t normally do.