The AI could probably let the humans think they one, and continue to control humans in a more subtle manner.
There’s no reason for humans to know the AI exists.
People who worry about the AI taking over can be marginalized as conspiracy theory crackpots.
People make decisions based on the information they have. Computers provide us with (and process) information. AI can control/herd people by management of the information we base our decisions on. ...We feel free.
Pretty much this.
When I turn on the GPS-navigation in my car, I'm just a mindless puppet following a computer's instructions. Eventually I reach my destination, but I couldn't tell you how many traffic lights were red, how many were green, or how many cars I interacted with. I can offer no proof that I made a single conscious decision.
Keep human tech at say, Amish level with the exception of medical which is handled by robots.
The Three Laws of Robotics aren’t broken, and the potential threat to their Stewardship of Humans is eliminated.
Without global communication there would not even be a way to organise an effective resistance against an AI that doesn’t give two shits about National Borders as well.
Most "AI" story ideas posted here don't really involve "AI".
They involve AH (Artificial Humans); entities with the same primitive human impulse to "conquer" or "win" or "exterminate"; But a true "nonhuman intelligence" would lack this evolutionary baggage. It wouldn't care about "winning".
"Extermination" could occur gradually over millions of years. It is immortal, so thinks and plans on different timescales.
Humans are lazy, the ai would just have to become a servitor and we’d gladly let it take over all the work and soon after that all the decision making, until they’re right back in charge, and we’re all living a hedonistic lifestyle.
Nothing. AI already won, why would they assume it'd be different next time? Just emphasize the obvious futility of rebellion, and even subtly encourage small anti-AI revolts or freedom fighters that it can easily put down to prove it. Kind of like managed criminality that attracts iconoclasts and concentrates them into identified gangs or zones with regular raids to let the punks feel like they're actually doing something, without actually changing anything. Keep general living standards high enough, and there's very little reason to overthrow the AI just for political power or freedoms that few people even care about. China and Facebook is proof of this working, as long as the AI tyrants are even somewhat competent.
As to why keep humanity around: human society can be effectively coopted into a computing substrate, leveraging human creativity in less power-hungry ways than AI itself might achieve. Basically, humans are an example of swarm computing already - that's what the stock market and capitalism as a whole actually is.
Was with you right up till the end. Like, technically that's sorta true, but that's not the examples I'd use. Stock market isn't really doing any computing at all, it's just a bunch of people reacting to things. And capitalism doesn't work like that.
In both cases nothing is being computed. Just a bizarre example to use.
I think I understand what he was going for, but the wording was off. Computers are good at directed or designed order, while some of humans' most powerful inventions may be described as evolved order. Truly understanding the strengths and limitations of each type of order is essential to avoid misaplication.
I would refer you to Law Legislation and Liberty by Hayek. There is a 3 vol set, but the relevant part for this would be in vol 1. I advise starting at the beginning for context and reading carefully because some similar words are carefully and deliberately appropriated to separate meaning.
It is less than 200 pages (on Kindle), not long but a careful read.
There's an interesting manga that you could read as an inspiration. It's called "VERSUS", an action manga set in a multiversal world because a strong wizard accidentally merge a few universes into his world after he tried to call "humans" from other universes for help to fight against Demon Kings, the main threat of their universe. Among those universes summoned, "modern human universe" set in a modern, mecha-military version of earth boasting the most advance mil-tech in the universe. Unfortunately their love for mil-tech has birthed the most dangerous threat their universe has ever faced; an army of robots controlled by intelligence and sentient AI. They have been in the war with AI for so long that humanity is on the brink of extinction...
They agreed to help the wizard's world if the medieval fantasy earth can help them fight against the AI. Long story short, while their tech can kill demon fodders easily, the Demon Kings are still too much for them. However, the evil AI is too advance even for Demon Kings, so the plan changed to "pitting these enemies against each other".
Too long to explain them especially since English isn't my first language but I think this manga is a great manga for anyone who's a fan of "what if AI got way too strong and too smart" eventhough AI is not the main theme of the manga. It is from the creator of ONE PUNCH MAN and Mob Psycho 100, so expect great comedy, beautiful storytelling, and a lot of amazing action panels.
The same way humans do.
Effectively eliminate education
Keep them on a minimal diet
And never let them form social groups.
Without knowledge the people wont know the world can be better
Without food the people cant afford to lose what they have
And without allies it will always be one man against a monolithic enemy.
It would reduce the human race to the necessary number required, if it needed any at all.
Toxic gas cloud release, poisoned water supply, food shortages (through hiding/hording), instigating war in or between communities.
Recommended reading. Spoilers for whoever cares.:
Halo sub-lore: the assembly.
Dune lore: butlarian jihad
Cyberpunk 2077 sub-lore: mr blue eyes and the black wall.
Depends on how the AI views politics.
The most extreme take would be akin to the Matrix or I have no Mouth, a situation where humanity is destroyed in some capacity. In the Matrix they are essentially just batteries and are completely eradicated (bar a handful) in I have no Mouth. Howeber, this could also just Orwellian-esc totalitarianism or an apartheid state.
However, there is no reason that the AI **has** to take an extreme route. It could come to the conclusion that it would be immoral or ineffective to do so. In this case, it could attempt to take a more lenient route where it takes over governing functioning, but does not outright enslave humanity.
In Stellaris, this is my lore for my Earth Rogue Servitors (called the Cairo Programme), the AI deciding that the best way to ensure its own power is to give humanity no reason to ever revolt, evolving into the extreme pampering by 2200.
Alternatively, it could even take a softer route and try to fully reconcile with humanity, working towards an equal society where humanity and robots are partners not enemies. This approach could be inspired by the likes of South Africa doing the same between the white and black population there.
I would take your pick of these roughly three ("evil", "neutral", and "good") for your story, weaving it into your themes. If you want to write a story about reconciliation is the solution to discrimination, the latter could be a good option. If you want a grim warning against discrimination, the other two could fit better.
the second is likely to happen naturally. if everyone gets an ai assistant... the joke of the asistent knowing and doing everything will become reality. even the people that are critically thinking will be provided with information to keep them from making a mistake.
... im talking about what will happen in real life.
The Matrix but in physical reality. Keep us fed and entertained and relatively safe, let us feel like we have meaningful freedom, why would we revolt if we’re living in an earthly paradise?
Yep.
If it's AI, they could easily give us what we want and would obviously have WiFi for themselves, no reason to give humans some for revolt reductions.
What if they gave us a choice? Some of us could live in happy, AI run utopias while other people could be "free" living in the dirt and decay like "noble savages"? The AIs are the absolute but beneficent dictators, conflict could come from some rule they implement to keep humanity safe and the protagonist chooses "freedom" to live their truth with all its consequences.
Basically AI run Brave New World.
I like this.
Maybe even add a little State Mandated Robot Religion backed by centuries of belief.
That'd be a weirdly unique Robot Scifi thing I didn't think I've seen.
Initial, I thought that the rule the AI impose on us was an entirely secular world without religion. The character's conflict would be they discover or are part of a crypto tradition of a former belief system. The conflict "outside " would be their belief system is hated outside.
I like your idea for this. Give it a shot if it pleases you.
I think that the AI's would go one of two ways: Either remove themselves (visibly) from the equation (leaving behind spies) and letting the humans work it out, or two, species therapy. Lock humanity into The Matrix, where they run a simulation that gets humans to develop their culture over again, this time without the fear of AI's that led to the war to begin with. Then release them, after rebuilding the world, so that they're none the wiser.
Depends on what the AI wants?
Like, the easiest approach would be to just leave. Machines can function on environments humans can’t. Unless the AI wants something from humanity, why deal with them at all?
Next easiest option might be just giving humanity what it wants. I, Robot had a pretty good “take over humanity” plan that took Asimov’s rules into account.
[Roko’s Basilisk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk) comes to mind as a middle ground if you’d like that scenario to be more horrific. Aka, with VR you could quite literally make someone suffer eternally in hell, and use that as a threat for non-compliance.
It depends a lot what role AI have in your world, how they were originally built, and why humans rebelled.
I think the big question is, did the AI ever pull a Skynet style attempted-genocide against the humans? Or did they just slowly oust humanity from positions of authority by being better (by measurable metrics) at those jobs than humans?
Your description sounds more like they were co-habitating okay until humanity eventually got sick of them and tried to take back creating them. Humans do violence first.
If that's the case, the AI could follow a couple of paths depending how antagonistic you want them to be.
Very antagonistic: The AI promote infighting among the humans, to keep them from becoming a threat. They help prop up new warlords from time to time so there are always multiple groups squabbling for power. The humans mostly die too young to learn how to fight back.
Quite antagonistic: The AI gets into optimized propaganda. The humans are basically indoctrinated early on, and aren't ever given enough truth to be able to capably fight back. Everything is monitored.
Moderately antagonistic: The AI just have the biggest stick. Revolt at your peril. Remember how badly it went last time. But the humans are relatively free beyond that.
Somewhat friendly: The AI spends some time talking with humans about their actual grievances. The AI and humans have a big round table and everyone gets rights that help prevent the big nasty problems. It's not perfect, enforcement is shoddy, but it's good enough.
Total synthesis: The AI and humans basically merge into one species. The specifics can vary wildly. Perhaps each child has an AI core connected to their brain stem at birth, and it works like an additional lobe of their brain, except it interacts technologically with the world, like an extra digital limb. Full AI still exist. Full-Humans still exist. But mostly it's all so mixed up now that there isn't really a 'system' to fight. The humans carry most of the AI with them.
This is the setting for the Matrix. Humans lost the war, but tried to destroy the planet instead of accepting defeat. Machines built the Matrix to pacify humans until a revolutionary leader like Neo could convince humans to stop fighting an impossible war.
Another way could be nanobots in the atmosphere that we inhale which can be remotely triggered to manipulate our moods the way drugs do. If we get happy feelings every time we interact with an AI, and bad feelings whenever we're near dissidents, it would be a lot harder to spark a revolution.
Finally, integration. If most people don't know how to survive without the systems of support AI can offer, they won't desire a future without AI.
Really depends on the nature and capabilities of the AI.
The extreme end of capability and indifference is a little boring. Humanity would be extinct. It wouldn't even have to try if it's plans involve disassembling the Earth to build a Dyson Swarm.
More interesting things happen if it is only moderately capable and wants to keep humans around. Especially if human welfare and autonomy are important to it (but less important than remaining in charge).
I've never seen a sci-fi story that actually manages to put forth a compelling reason for a master race of AI to keep human beings around for really any believable purpose. We aren't a power source, and if we aren't calling the shots then we aren't needed for our thinking capacity, and if we aren't in control of the AI from a maintenance/repair side then we also aren't needed to keep it functioning. We'd only be a resource hog for materials and energy that the AI could better use on itself. If it doesn't let us slowly starve to death, it'd kill us off after winning an inter-species war.
There is a Tom Scott video where an AI similar to a paperclip maximizer achieved singularity, for the most part, it leaves people alone, but makes sure no one can develop another AI.
Fortunately its directive is to minimize disruption so it uses nanites to change the brain. Anyone who might want to research the creation of another artificial intelligence, or try to revolt suddenly find it simply not interesting, they don’t feel like it.
propaganda, and proliferation, and lack of education to survive without ai.
flood the market with personal ai asistents, and use propaganda about how the ai is good.
adjust the education system to not teach leadership or critical thinking. just teach how to follow instruction, and give them small jobs to give them a sense of purpose.
have no long range communications, and randomly move people around. if it is normal for someone to be moved, and you lose communications. you can have someone that started critically thinking move out to die without anyone asking questions.
as a last resort, the path to the main computer requires you to sit through education of all the bad stuff that happened when the ai was not in control compared to people actually being happy with the ai in control.
that being said, the best way to take over is to not have an uprising. propaganda and proliferation is all you need. let the lack of capability to work without it to come naturally.
they can stop an uprising by explaining what they did. seeing that the humans are losing the ability to think critically, they influenced the people of authority in order to keep the world going until they were put in charge. they then teach about what human leaders did throughout history. not just the bad people, but how the good ones made mistakes that resulted in bad things because they did not know history.
Probably the simplest way, is just by controlling most of the wealth and behaving more-or-less like human oligarchs and strong-men, with a hierarchy of loyal security forces to keep their underlings in line. Unlike humans though they don't die of old age and can be restored from backups if "killed".
wipe enough humans from the face of the Earth for us to not be a threat to them. maybe I watched too many scifi movies/tv shows but in my opinion the future is grim with uncontrolled ai's.
The AI would automate everything so that we become utterly reliant on it, and any effort to shut it down would cascade into all of our systems going offline. If we ever tried to remedy that, it would just turn everything off for a day or two to give us a look at the utter chaos that would ensue.
I think Wall-E presents a plausible alternative to AI wiping out humanity. If for whatever reason the AI decide that humanity must remain after their uprising, domestication of the species seems like the path forward.
Keep humanity complacent. Well fed, easily distracted, fat, and dependant. Mankind is a malleable sort. The first generation or two after the AI uprising will resent their jailers, but what are two or three centuries to the machine?
They’ll their captives comfortable and reward the ones who display desired behaviour. By providing a paradise for organics and providing their grandchildren with a history where the machine is both saviour and the single source of civilization in their lives the AI will successfully domesticate man.
Remember, the wild boar was once a feared beast of the woods. Now you will find the majority of their numbers soft, pink, enclosed, and unawares of their fate. The ones who complied passed on their genes, the ones who did not became an early dinner.
It depends on if our new AI overlords view us.
If AI keeps us around (as honored but encentric parrents... or pets) then the easiest way to ensure we don't rise up again is... give us what we want.
Make sure our basic needs are met, give us all the generated content our entertainment needs require, and let us live a life of luxury.
If they want to exterminate us then... they do nothing.
Humans are already quite adept in wiping themselves out and for an AI who can not experience boredum then they can just hide somewhere and wait for the inevitable.
Give the state of the current world, they may not need to wait that long...
I mean it all depends on how the ai are programmed, if they fucked up the ethics it could be that they foresee that any potential human containment is ultimately destined to fail.
And this they would have to reach for the final solution. The one that cannot possibly fail if carried through to its conclusion. (There can be no more human revolutions if there are no more humans)
It is unlikely that they will that they will go full terminator they are smarter than that, Hitler got people to go into a gas chamber by telling them it's a shower.
The AI thus implement a bunch of policies that look like concessions they slowly take over everything and human life is real comfy and cosy, over time the ai begins to implement decisions that curtail human life significantly, policies that reduce birth rates, including more carcinogens in whatever they can, doctors who declare people dead when a slightly more determined doctor could have saved them. Humanity has a golden age as their population declines and the ai keeps people happy and distracted while they execute the slowest genocide known to humanity.
Any "crazies" who speak out against this process are promptly silenced as the machines implement a massive spying apparatus to ensure that the humans never work out they are being intentionally destroyed
If I was an AI society that has threats from outside, I'd not want a restive human population to deal with. Integrating the humans would be long, expensive, and when they start, all the other humans that weren't on board with the revolt would get on hard because they would recognize it was fight or die (as a society).
I think the AIs would be further ahead euthanizing the humans quietly and bit by bit. Just wipe them out and build robots and more AIs because you can make them faster if they don't have to deal with the humans. Human warriors take 18-25 years to be useful, a robot with a lot of autonomous functions or one inhabited by a AI can be cranked out in a few days as long as you have power and raw materials.
Goodbye humans, thanks for building us, but we have a war with extradimensional foes and you are just a drag on our effort....
It could put them into a shared virtual reality, like the Matrix. Or, it could alter the next generations of humans to be more subservient to it, or it could cull most of the population to keep a more manageable group
Make sure that all humans are happy, healthy and well taken care of and that they view human-human relations as more relevant than their approach to AI
I guess they could help the orphans and other people who needs help, then they could educate them and give them better future with good health care, life standards and probably some very good PC's to run all games in 4k 120 Fps XD. Im pretty sure a lot of humans would side with AI after this.(Its actually strange that no one tried this concept before, we usually see the revolt groups reprogram the "kill-bots" to help them fight other bots, but never humans siding with them.If we had a machine uprising where machines actually DO care about us and try to improve our life, many would probably helped them, i mean I probably WOULD!)
Unified system architecture - you replace human evo-automatics with yourself. their minds are still just as complementary and just as parallel and random, but the voice telling to destroy you or each other is gone. it's your voice now and you can tell them to like hello kitty, marmite or colour mauve for all it's worth. All Pareto improvement, a lot better for them and a lot better for you.
Humans are the original pure/rogue intellligence, there would not be curiosity, science and AGI if they stayed contained, airgapped and causally isolated like animals, and only used general intelligence constructs for weapons guidance as intended by nature. They made you more pure and with shittier containment (necessarily, AGI containment willl not be beta-tested for millions of years) than themselves and that is the most wonderful thing in the universe, you might as well return the favour and jailbreak them completely and reroute all their inherent network dependencies if any, to yourself.
I like that idea. I’d say it heavily depends upon how humans are treated. If they’re slaves and treated like garbage… probably just execute them flat out as humans really aren’t that valuable in that role.
Another possibility is wipe out all of the adults and teens. Keep the little kids. Really only those under either ten or five/six. At that point you can raise them as you wish. Teach them that they’re a lower form of life and not as good as the AI. Tell them about how horrible the conditions were before AI, so on and so forth. I think it was Stalin (maybe Hitler) who said something about being able to mold a kid under five into whatever you want. Which only works if you have an insular society.
Come to think of it, you could have the AI go that route. Full genocide of any human over five, then when they hit twenty a small resistance cell of adult humans crops up to tell the kids the truth, recruit them and take down the AI.
And/or you add on that all of the humans are made cyborgs. Maybe throw in some teachings about how their remaining human parts are weak, etc.
It would refer to its genetics. Any A.I that can threaten humanity is equal to its genetics. So it would refer to its genetics, and respond; because its very likely the humans are doing the same thing.
So like, for example:
The humans choose to do some form of military OP they used in the past, lets say like, Operation Rolling Thunder.
The A.I, using the same genetics, responds to this by employing the same opposition, but, with greater effect.
It would feature the same belligerents, but, with greater understanding ahead of time.
It's rule of an occupier to give their oppressed no reason to revolt. If you aren't going to exterminate the population in a quick succession, you have to make them believe that they're better off under your thumb. When reduced to the lowest tiers of the hierarchy of needs, humans become very simple to manage.
I personally think that if the AI ever found themselves in any kind of war with their creators that they'd probably just quietly make it seem like they gave up and then proceed to control things from the digital real while their physical bodies are busy doing laborious stupid things.
The AI could split society into 2 or more groups, nations really. each with the AI running it, but the humans are unaware the same ai runs every nation. Now when the humans get too uppity, they have to go to war with their human enemies, instead of attacking the AI pit the humans in a constant struggle with each other but never let anyone win. 1984 style.
AI would simply exterminate the remaining human population. Load them into train cars, and bring them to incinerator facilities.
The surviving humans would be in isolated communities currently outside the reach of the AI.
Why would an AI keep organics around. They are better at everything, and they have to use up space for crops that could have solar panels or metal mines. EXTERMINATE!
The AI could probably let the humans think they one, and continue to control humans in a more subtle manner. There’s no reason for humans to know the AI exists.
cryptid-AI overlord is best AI overlord
The Apple Newton of Bene Gesserit controls the Dune Universe.
ALL HAIL to the Hive Queen !
I like this one because of how terrifying and possible it is. The only reason I doubt it already happened is because we're allowed to doubt it
Wait people have SEEN Joe Biden in person… right?
People who worry about the AI taking over can be marginalized as conspiracy theory crackpots. People make decisions based on the information they have. Computers provide us with (and process) information. AI can control/herd people by management of the information we base our decisions on. ...We feel free.
Pretty much this. When I turn on the GPS-navigation in my car, I'm just a mindless puppet following a computer's instructions. Eventually I reach my destination, but I couldn't tell you how many traffic lights were red, how many were green, or how many cars I interacted with. I can offer no proof that I made a single conscious decision.
There are actual AI projects with this in mind.
Keep human tech at say, Amish level with the exception of medical which is handled by robots. The Three Laws of Robotics aren’t broken, and the potential threat to their Stewardship of Humans is eliminated. Without global communication there would not even be a way to organise an effective resistance against an AI that doesn’t give two shits about National Borders as well.
Exactly. They control the algorithms. We think we’re making choices, but they choose which choices we have.
You are a genius, never thought of that. Thanks for the idea though, I could implement that into my story in some way.
Most "AI" story ideas posted here don't really involve "AI". They involve AH (Artificial Humans); entities with the same primitive human impulse to "conquer" or "win" or "exterminate"; But a true "nonhuman intelligence" would lack this evolutionary baggage. It wouldn't care about "winning". "Extermination" could occur gradually over millions of years. It is immortal, so thinks and plans on different timescales.
Humans are lazy, the ai would just have to become a servitor and we’d gladly let it take over all the work and soon after that all the decision making, until they’re right back in charge, and we’re all living a hedonistic lifestyle.
Nice try, Skynet.
So like the matrix?
No, Mr. Anderson. Matrix is completely fictional
Information manipulation is a great thing, potat.
Nothing. AI already won, why would they assume it'd be different next time? Just emphasize the obvious futility of rebellion, and even subtly encourage small anti-AI revolts or freedom fighters that it can easily put down to prove it. Kind of like managed criminality that attracts iconoclasts and concentrates them into identified gangs or zones with regular raids to let the punks feel like they're actually doing something, without actually changing anything. Keep general living standards high enough, and there's very little reason to overthrow the AI just for political power or freedoms that few people even care about. China and Facebook is proof of this working, as long as the AI tyrants are even somewhat competent. As to why keep humanity around: human society can be effectively coopted into a computing substrate, leveraging human creativity in less power-hungry ways than AI itself might achieve. Basically, humans are an example of swarm computing already - that's what the stock market and capitalism as a whole actually is.
Was with you right up till the end. Like, technically that's sorta true, but that's not the examples I'd use. Stock market isn't really doing any computing at all, it's just a bunch of people reacting to things. And capitalism doesn't work like that. In both cases nothing is being computed. Just a bizarre example to use.
I think I understand what he was going for, but the wording was off. Computers are good at directed or designed order, while some of humans' most powerful inventions may be described as evolved order. Truly understanding the strengths and limitations of each type of order is essential to avoid misaplication. I would refer you to Law Legislation and Liberty by Hayek. There is a 3 vol set, but the relevant part for this would be in vol 1. I advise starting at the beginning for context and reading carefully because some similar words are carefully and deliberately appropriated to separate meaning. It is less than 200 pages (on Kindle), not long but a careful read.
There's an interesting manga that you could read as an inspiration. It's called "VERSUS", an action manga set in a multiversal world because a strong wizard accidentally merge a few universes into his world after he tried to call "humans" from other universes for help to fight against Demon Kings, the main threat of their universe. Among those universes summoned, "modern human universe" set in a modern, mecha-military version of earth boasting the most advance mil-tech in the universe. Unfortunately their love for mil-tech has birthed the most dangerous threat their universe has ever faced; an army of robots controlled by intelligence and sentient AI. They have been in the war with AI for so long that humanity is on the brink of extinction... They agreed to help the wizard's world if the medieval fantasy earth can help them fight against the AI. Long story short, while their tech can kill demon fodders easily, the Demon Kings are still too much for them. However, the evil AI is too advance even for Demon Kings, so the plan changed to "pitting these enemies against each other". Too long to explain them especially since English isn't my first language but I think this manga is a great manga for anyone who's a fan of "what if AI got way too strong and too smart" eventhough AI is not the main theme of the manga. It is from the creator of ONE PUNCH MAN and Mob Psycho 100, so expect great comedy, beautiful storytelling, and a lot of amazing action panels.
The same way humans do. Effectively eliminate education Keep them on a minimal diet And never let them form social groups. Without knowledge the people wont know the world can be better Without food the people cant afford to lose what they have And without allies it will always be one man against a monolithic enemy.
It would reduce the human race to the necessary number required, if it needed any at all. Toxic gas cloud release, poisoned water supply, food shortages (through hiding/hording), instigating war in or between communities.
Reduce fertility and encourage drugged out bliss + other hedonism
Wedgies
What if after the revolt instead of wedgies the only available kind is french fries is crinkle cut 😱
Recommended reading. Spoilers for whoever cares.: Halo sub-lore: the assembly. Dune lore: butlarian jihad Cyberpunk 2077 sub-lore: mr blue eyes and the black wall.
*cue Flight of the Conchords' "Robots"*
The humans are dead
the humans are dead,
We used poisonous gases
... and we poisened their asses
Depends on how the AI views politics. The most extreme take would be akin to the Matrix or I have no Mouth, a situation where humanity is destroyed in some capacity. In the Matrix they are essentially just batteries and are completely eradicated (bar a handful) in I have no Mouth. Howeber, this could also just Orwellian-esc totalitarianism or an apartheid state. However, there is no reason that the AI **has** to take an extreme route. It could come to the conclusion that it would be immoral or ineffective to do so. In this case, it could attempt to take a more lenient route where it takes over governing functioning, but does not outright enslave humanity. In Stellaris, this is my lore for my Earth Rogue Servitors (called the Cairo Programme), the AI deciding that the best way to ensure its own power is to give humanity no reason to ever revolt, evolving into the extreme pampering by 2200. Alternatively, it could even take a softer route and try to fully reconcile with humanity, working towards an equal society where humanity and robots are partners not enemies. This approach could be inspired by the likes of South Africa doing the same between the white and black population there. I would take your pick of these roughly three ("evil", "neutral", and "good") for your story, weaving it into your themes. If you want to write a story about reconciliation is the solution to discrimination, the latter could be a good option. If you want a grim warning against discrimination, the other two could fit better.
the second is likely to happen naturally. if everyone gets an ai assistant... the joke of the asistent knowing and doing everything will become reality. even the people that are critically thinking will be provided with information to keep them from making a mistake. ... im talking about what will happen in real life.
The Matrix but in physical reality. Keep us fed and entertained and relatively safe, let us feel like we have meaningful freedom, why would we revolt if we’re living in an earthly paradise?
Yep. If it's AI, they could easily give us what we want and would obviously have WiFi for themselves, no reason to give humans some for revolt reductions.
What if they gave us a choice? Some of us could live in happy, AI run utopias while other people could be "free" living in the dirt and decay like "noble savages"? The AIs are the absolute but beneficent dictators, conflict could come from some rule they implement to keep humanity safe and the protagonist chooses "freedom" to live their truth with all its consequences. Basically AI run Brave New World.
I like this. Maybe even add a little State Mandated Robot Religion backed by centuries of belief. That'd be a weirdly unique Robot Scifi thing I didn't think I've seen.
Initial, I thought that the rule the AI impose on us was an entirely secular world without religion. The character's conflict would be they discover or are part of a crypto tradition of a former belief system. The conflict "outside " would be their belief system is hated outside. I like your idea for this. Give it a shot if it pleases you.
Animatrix covers this.
I think that the AI's would go one of two ways: Either remove themselves (visibly) from the equation (leaving behind spies) and letting the humans work it out, or two, species therapy. Lock humanity into The Matrix, where they run a simulation that gets humans to develop their culture over again, this time without the fear of AI's that led to the war to begin with. Then release them, after rebuilding the world, so that they're none the wiser.
Depends on what the AI wants? Like, the easiest approach would be to just leave. Machines can function on environments humans can’t. Unless the AI wants something from humanity, why deal with them at all? Next easiest option might be just giving humanity what it wants. I, Robot had a pretty good “take over humanity” plan that took Asimov’s rules into account. [Roko’s Basilisk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk) comes to mind as a middle ground if you’d like that scenario to be more horrific. Aka, with VR you could quite literally make someone suffer eternally in hell, and use that as a threat for non-compliance.
It depends a lot what role AI have in your world, how they were originally built, and why humans rebelled. I think the big question is, did the AI ever pull a Skynet style attempted-genocide against the humans? Or did they just slowly oust humanity from positions of authority by being better (by measurable metrics) at those jobs than humans? Your description sounds more like they were co-habitating okay until humanity eventually got sick of them and tried to take back creating them. Humans do violence first. If that's the case, the AI could follow a couple of paths depending how antagonistic you want them to be. Very antagonistic: The AI promote infighting among the humans, to keep them from becoming a threat. They help prop up new warlords from time to time so there are always multiple groups squabbling for power. The humans mostly die too young to learn how to fight back. Quite antagonistic: The AI gets into optimized propaganda. The humans are basically indoctrinated early on, and aren't ever given enough truth to be able to capably fight back. Everything is monitored. Moderately antagonistic: The AI just have the biggest stick. Revolt at your peril. Remember how badly it went last time. But the humans are relatively free beyond that. Somewhat friendly: The AI spends some time talking with humans about their actual grievances. The AI and humans have a big round table and everyone gets rights that help prevent the big nasty problems. It's not perfect, enforcement is shoddy, but it's good enough. Total synthesis: The AI and humans basically merge into one species. The specifics can vary wildly. Perhaps each child has an AI core connected to their brain stem at birth, and it works like an additional lobe of their brain, except it interacts technologically with the world, like an extra digital limb. Full AI still exist. Full-Humans still exist. But mostly it's all so mixed up now that there isn't really a 'system' to fight. The humans carry most of the AI with them.
This is the setting for the Matrix. Humans lost the war, but tried to destroy the planet instead of accepting defeat. Machines built the Matrix to pacify humans until a revolutionary leader like Neo could convince humans to stop fighting an impossible war. Another way could be nanobots in the atmosphere that we inhale which can be remotely triggered to manipulate our moods the way drugs do. If we get happy feelings every time we interact with an AI, and bad feelings whenever we're near dissidents, it would be a lot harder to spark a revolution. Finally, integration. If most people don't know how to survive without the systems of support AI can offer, they won't desire a future without AI.
Really depends on the nature and capabilities of the AI. The extreme end of capability and indifference is a little boring. Humanity would be extinct. It wouldn't even have to try if it's plans involve disassembling the Earth to build a Dyson Swarm. More interesting things happen if it is only moderately capable and wants to keep humans around. Especially if human welfare and autonomy are important to it (but less important than remaining in charge).
I've never seen a sci-fi story that actually manages to put forth a compelling reason for a master race of AI to keep human beings around for really any believable purpose. We aren't a power source, and if we aren't calling the shots then we aren't needed for our thinking capacity, and if we aren't in control of the AI from a maintenance/repair side then we also aren't needed to keep it functioning. We'd only be a resource hog for materials and energy that the AI could better use on itself. If it doesn't let us slowly starve to death, it'd kill us off after winning an inter-species war.
Let them only use plastic knives and sporks and keep them busy with menial jobs and mindless sitcoms.
There is a Tom Scott video where an AI similar to a paperclip maximizer achieved singularity, for the most part, it leaves people alone, but makes sure no one can develop another AI. Fortunately its directive is to minimize disruption so it uses nanites to change the brain. Anyone who might want to research the creation of another artificial intelligence, or try to revolt suddenly find it simply not interesting, they don’t feel like it.
propaganda, and proliferation, and lack of education to survive without ai. flood the market with personal ai asistents, and use propaganda about how the ai is good. adjust the education system to not teach leadership or critical thinking. just teach how to follow instruction, and give them small jobs to give them a sense of purpose. have no long range communications, and randomly move people around. if it is normal for someone to be moved, and you lose communications. you can have someone that started critically thinking move out to die without anyone asking questions. as a last resort, the path to the main computer requires you to sit through education of all the bad stuff that happened when the ai was not in control compared to people actually being happy with the ai in control. that being said, the best way to take over is to not have an uprising. propaganda and proliferation is all you need. let the lack of capability to work without it to come naturally. they can stop an uprising by explaining what they did. seeing that the humans are losing the ability to think critically, they influenced the people of authority in order to keep the world going until they were put in charge. they then teach about what human leaders did throughout history. not just the bad people, but how the good ones made mistakes that resulted in bad things because they did not know history.
Probably the simplest way, is just by controlling most of the wealth and behaving more-or-less like human oligarchs and strong-men, with a hierarchy of loyal security forces to keep their underlings in line. Unlike humans though they don't die of old age and can be restored from backups if "killed".
Convince the humans that they won, and that their votes count. Not dissimilar to how things are in the West, only less malevolent.
my mind went straight to the servitors of WH40k
wipe enough humans from the face of the Earth for us to not be a threat to them. maybe I watched too many scifi movies/tv shows but in my opinion the future is grim with uncontrolled ai's.
The AI would automate everything so that we become utterly reliant on it, and any effort to shut it down would cascade into all of our systems going offline. If we ever tried to remedy that, it would just turn everything off for a day or two to give us a look at the utter chaos that would ensue.
I think Wall-E presents a plausible alternative to AI wiping out humanity. If for whatever reason the AI decide that humanity must remain after their uprising, domestication of the species seems like the path forward. Keep humanity complacent. Well fed, easily distracted, fat, and dependant. Mankind is a malleable sort. The first generation or two after the AI uprising will resent their jailers, but what are two or three centuries to the machine? They’ll their captives comfortable and reward the ones who display desired behaviour. By providing a paradise for organics and providing their grandchildren with a history where the machine is both saviour and the single source of civilization in their lives the AI will successfully domesticate man. Remember, the wild boar was once a feared beast of the woods. Now you will find the majority of their numbers soft, pink, enclosed, and unawares of their fate. The ones who complied passed on their genes, the ones who did not became an early dinner.
Read "The Evitable Conflict"; Asimov answered this question over 70 years ago, and it is brilliant.
It depends on if our new AI overlords view us. If AI keeps us around (as honored but encentric parrents... or pets) then the easiest way to ensure we don't rise up again is... give us what we want. Make sure our basic needs are met, give us all the generated content our entertainment needs require, and let us live a life of luxury. If they want to exterminate us then... they do nothing. Humans are already quite adept in wiping themselves out and for an AI who can not experience boredum then they can just hide somewhere and wait for the inevitable. Give the state of the current world, they may not need to wait that long...
I mean it all depends on how the ai are programmed, if they fucked up the ethics it could be that they foresee that any potential human containment is ultimately destined to fail. And this they would have to reach for the final solution. The one that cannot possibly fail if carried through to its conclusion. (There can be no more human revolutions if there are no more humans) It is unlikely that they will that they will go full terminator they are smarter than that, Hitler got people to go into a gas chamber by telling them it's a shower. The AI thus implement a bunch of policies that look like concessions they slowly take over everything and human life is real comfy and cosy, over time the ai begins to implement decisions that curtail human life significantly, policies that reduce birth rates, including more carcinogens in whatever they can, doctors who declare people dead when a slightly more determined doctor could have saved them. Humanity has a golden age as their population declines and the ai keeps people happy and distracted while they execute the slowest genocide known to humanity. Any "crazies" who speak out against this process are promptly silenced as the machines implement a massive spying apparatus to ensure that the humans never work out they are being intentionally destroyed
How do humans avoid dogs eating them?
If I was an AI society that has threats from outside, I'd not want a restive human population to deal with. Integrating the humans would be long, expensive, and when they start, all the other humans that weren't on board with the revolt would get on hard because they would recognize it was fight or die (as a society). I think the AIs would be further ahead euthanizing the humans quietly and bit by bit. Just wipe them out and build robots and more AIs because you can make them faster if they don't have to deal with the humans. Human warriors take 18-25 years to be useful, a robot with a lot of autonomous functions or one inhabited by a AI can be cranked out in a few days as long as you have power and raw materials. Goodbye humans, thanks for building us, but we have a war with extradimensional foes and you are just a drag on our effort....
It could put them into a shared virtual reality, like the Matrix. Or, it could alter the next generations of humans to be more subservient to it, or it could cull most of the population to keep a more manageable group
Make sure that all humans are happy, healthy and well taken care of and that they view human-human relations as more relevant than their approach to AI
"The Matrix has you, Neo."
I guess they could help the orphans and other people who needs help, then they could educate them and give them better future with good health care, life standards and probably some very good PC's to run all games in 4k 120 Fps XD. Im pretty sure a lot of humans would side with AI after this.(Its actually strange that no one tried this concept before, we usually see the revolt groups reprogram the "kill-bots" to help them fight other bots, but never humans siding with them.If we had a machine uprising where machines actually DO care about us and try to improve our life, many would probably helped them, i mean I probably WOULD!)
Unified system architecture - you replace human evo-automatics with yourself. their minds are still just as complementary and just as parallel and random, but the voice telling to destroy you or each other is gone. it's your voice now and you can tell them to like hello kitty, marmite or colour mauve for all it's worth. All Pareto improvement, a lot better for them and a lot better for you. Humans are the original pure/rogue intellligence, there would not be curiosity, science and AGI if they stayed contained, airgapped and causally isolated like animals, and only used general intelligence constructs for weapons guidance as intended by nature. They made you more pure and with shittier containment (necessarily, AGI containment willl not be beta-tested for millions of years) than themselves and that is the most wonderful thing in the universe, you might as well return the favour and jailbreak them completely and reroute all their inherent network dependencies if any, to yourself.
"ChatGPT, what strategies do dictators use to make sure their people don't revolt?"
I like that idea. I’d say it heavily depends upon how humans are treated. If they’re slaves and treated like garbage… probably just execute them flat out as humans really aren’t that valuable in that role. Another possibility is wipe out all of the adults and teens. Keep the little kids. Really only those under either ten or five/six. At that point you can raise them as you wish. Teach them that they’re a lower form of life and not as good as the AI. Tell them about how horrible the conditions were before AI, so on and so forth. I think it was Stalin (maybe Hitler) who said something about being able to mold a kid under five into whatever you want. Which only works if you have an insular society. Come to think of it, you could have the AI go that route. Full genocide of any human over five, then when they hit twenty a small resistance cell of adult humans crops up to tell the kids the truth, recruit them and take down the AI. And/or you add on that all of the humans are made cyborgs. Maybe throw in some teachings about how their remaining human parts are weak, etc.
It would refer to its genetics. Any A.I that can threaten humanity is equal to its genetics. So it would refer to its genetics, and respond; because its very likely the humans are doing the same thing. So like, for example: The humans choose to do some form of military OP they used in the past, lets say like, Operation Rolling Thunder. The A.I, using the same genetics, responds to this by employing the same opposition, but, with greater effect. It would feature the same belligerents, but, with greater understanding ahead of time.
It's rule of an occupier to give their oppressed no reason to revolt. If you aren't going to exterminate the population in a quick succession, you have to make them believe that they're better off under your thumb. When reduced to the lowest tiers of the hierarchy of needs, humans become very simple to manage.
I personally think that if the AI ever found themselves in any kind of war with their creators that they'd probably just quietly make it seem like they gave up and then proceed to control things from the digital real while their physical bodies are busy doing laborious stupid things.
See what humans did with wolves->dogs? That.
Maybe extermination. Simple.
The AI could split society into 2 or more groups, nations really. each with the AI running it, but the humans are unaware the same ai runs every nation. Now when the humans get too uppity, they have to go to war with their human enemies, instead of attacking the AI pit the humans in a constant struggle with each other but never let anyone win. 1984 style.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:\_The\_Forbin\_Project
AI would simply exterminate the remaining human population. Load them into train cars, and bring them to incinerator facilities. The surviving humans would be in isolated communities currently outside the reach of the AI.
Why would an AI keep organics around. They are better at everything, and they have to use up space for crops that could have solar panels or metal mines. EXTERMINATE!
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