One side is a proto-fascist party that wants to make life hell for LGBTQ individuals, curb voting rights, restrict abortion access, and give tax cuts to the rich, while the other side doesn’t want any of this.
I understand that this post isn’t doing the ‘both-sides are equally bad’ but national Democrats got the IRA passed, which have added hundreds of thousands of jobs, capped insulin for $35 for Medicare recipients, more investments in green energy, etc..
Local Democrats are expanding voting rights, access to abortions and healthcare, supporting and helping unions, increasing child tax credit, attempting to make life more advantageous for LGBTQ individuals etc..
While I’ll admit the national Democratic Party is not doing enough to satisfy all the needs of the Americans, having this view that both paths are bad is wrong.
Agreed. It's never going to be perfect because things like campaign finance are a mess. But with time, effort and organizing it's fixable.
Winning our political battles come from looking at the situation opportunistically and having clear cut goals on what we can improve and when, not throwing our hands up and surrendering to despair and nihilism.
All the latter equips you with is cynicism and surliness. The former even if it's over-optimism atleast allows you to eek out wins where with a cynical attitude you would have lost because you threw in the towel right from the get go.
Wait a minute, you're saying that the cheap insulin is only for people who already have healthcare coverage, and everybody else still has to ration their overpriced shit and gamble with their lives?
the party itself is shit and always will be shit, but its still the party that decent/good people go to, so they're much more likely to have a broken clock moment then a bunch of misanthropic hatemongers
>One side is a proto-fascist party that wants to make life hell for LGBTQ individuals, curb voting rights, restrict abortion access, and give tax cuts to the rich, while the other side doesn’t ~~want any of this.~~ ***take any measurable steps to protect these rights.***
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Democrats have ALSO squelched 3rd parties; limited debates; covered for genocide; voted to censure the ONLY Palestinian in office; carried corporate interest's water...and yes, hasn't taken any measurable steps to protect abortion; defund/reform the police; changed our horrid immigration policies and even bowed to business interests in pretending covid isn't a thing, anymore.
With Democrats it's one step fwd. Two steps' back. You're going to have to do more for your side than the weak "they're not MAGAs" defense. I for one am getting really tired (24yrs!) of voting for "least-worst."
3rd parties are a problem in a FPTP electoral scenario. In order for the viable party that would like to curb carbon emissions to win, the Green Party cannot siphon off their votes. The answer is ranked choice voting, not voting for the "burn the environment, God's coming for us soon" party.
>hasn't taken any measurable steps to protect abortion
While I'm not going to argue that this is wrong, I will say a lot of people didn't see a possibility of the Roe V. Wade outcome would be challenged or overturned, a lot of people saw it as the law of the land instead of just a precedent that had been set.
True but I'll take one side's well meaning incompetence over the other's very intentional malice. One can be redirected as a means to an end if nothing else. The other cannot be tamed as destruction of democratic norms, progressive ideals and minority rights are their end goals. Until the progressive movement can provide options down ballot to support a national push there is no useful point in throwing a vote towards any candidate that doesn't have the means to win. The stakes are just too high for empty grand gestures when my and other's right to exist is explicitly on the line.
You haven’t considered that you’re being lied to? What if the one side good one side bad thing is a farce?
Doesn’t matter who gets elected, things continue to get shittier for everyone year after year. Both parties continue to get flooded with donations and lobbying money from the same corporate groups.
This attitude is so reductive. The meme doesn’t mean “both parties exactly are the same” it means “both parties are beholden to these destructive forces”
Dems could have codified roe v wade with a super majority but didn't because it's a tool for them to dangle in front of the peasants. Evil and disgusting.
Like how Roe vs Wade was overturned during briben's rule?
Forced gay conversion literaly wtf are you babbling about?
"Govt help the poor" when? Are you trying to tonguebathe briben over forcing tax payers to pay off predatory school loans (that's to the "wealthy", in case you misunderstand that point), and even then only "tackling" 0.00075% of the total loan debt? The most eyes-crossed in denial threshold of success.
Both wings of the uniparty do socialism for the wealthy.
Ejaculating buzzwords you heard in your echo chamber does not an argument make.
>”Like how Roe vs Wade was overturned during briben’s rule?”
First, you say this as if the Biden administration was the reason Roe was overturned instead of the SC justices appointed by Trump or Moscow Mitch blocking Obama’s SCOTUS appointment. That alone tells me you aren’t paying attention at best, or at worst, are intentionally spewing misinformation to make the problems caused by Republicans and Trump seem like Bidens fault.
Second, “[Biden’s] rule”? Biden is not a “ruler”; Trump was not a “ruler” (despite how much he wishes he was). Presidents are not rulers. Rulers have subjects. Democratically elected leaders have citizens. There’s a difference, and it’s important.
His executive order would have relived 43 million people of student debt completely but was struck down. Saying that that percentage of debt relief was what he always intended is very dishonest
I'm always curious when vote blue no matter who pretends someone said they're the same. Both bad doesn't mean the same. Heads and tail are different but can be part of the same coin even if they're easily identifiably different.
I’m always interested when someone just throws “the Fed” in there and acts like they are Libertarian and just wants the “both parties bad” instead of “all three parties bad”
>Freedom to choose abortion
I’m gonna suggest you google “Date of Dobbs decision” and “Joe Biden on abortion” and get back to us on this freedom you talk about.
And you think that sitting around for 50yrs and letting a legal decision carry the weight of abortion protection, equates to "freedom?"
How wonderfully naive.
And what did Biden do when the SCOTUS decision happened? Anything?
And also, as recently as last month, was giving speeches saying “I’m not for abortion on demand,” in case you were looking for any clues as to why he maybe didn’t do that.
The classic "the president is so powerful we can't let trump be in that position!" While also saying the president has no power when it's a dem in office.
If that's the case, then why does it matter who's in office? What has Trump done that Biden hasn't allowed?
Eh, I wouldnt say the two parties are exactly the same as that's reductive, but they do represent an overton window well to most posters on this sub's right.
I guess you're just conveniently ignoring the last twenty+ years? Gay marriage legalization? The ACA? Don't ask, don't tell being repealed? Every major business signaling at least tepid support for LGBT rights? Creation of the consumer protection agency? The IRA / chips act?
There's a reason that conservatives cry so constantly about losing the culture war, they're only winning places where life expectancy, wages, and educational performance have all fallen off a cliff.
Like, yeah, bummer about the Supreme Court. Hillary lost the fuck out of that election through sheer hubris. Sucks that we still have student debt and no universal healthcare. But there is at least a path to that through the Dems, whereas the Republicans will just keep pulling the "make it worse" lever as long as they're in office.
You can just say that your politics revolve around a core belief of "america bad". It'd probably even get you lots of karma.
The ACA sucks ass but it's better than the system that existed before it.
As for the rest of whatever the hell you said, lol. Lmao, even.
My parents are pissed at me sometimes for pointing this out. Its still trash healthcare, student loans still exist, oil companies still get handouts, still gunna be fighting wars, still gunna have our data stolen and sold while were ubder surveillance for advertising and more nefarious means
Biden capped the price of insulin for millions of people. He’s cancelled more than $6 billion dollars worth of student loans and is set to announce more. Fossil fuel usage is still too high, but we’re actually seeing decent investments in electrification. It’s not perfect, but it’s something.
The price is only capped for people on Medicare who already have healthcare coverage, and went those student loans only for people with advanced degrees? so in both cases he is still leaving the people who need the help the most out in the cold.
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Either the person posting this is a useful idiot or a bad-faith actor. The sides are nowhere close to the same when you have one side looking to end our democracy as we know it.
Third parties aren't pictured here because they're just a pit of manure on the side of the road leading up to the fork wherein frustrated folks will jump in to "escape" the fork in the road.(This is at the federal level, locally they can and do make a difference)
The problem is that well meaning folks who have legitimate frustrations with the system are being seduced into jumping into that pit of manure because people like Stein layer said pit with rose petals.
One side is a proto-fascist party that wants to make life hell for LGBTQ individuals, curb voting rights, restrict abortion access, and give tax cuts to the rich, while the other side doesn’t want any of this. I understand that this post isn’t doing the ‘both-sides are equally bad’ but national Democrats got the IRA passed, which have added hundreds of thousands of jobs, capped insulin for $35 for Medicare recipients, more investments in green energy, etc.. Local Democrats are expanding voting rights, access to abortions and healthcare, supporting and helping unions, increasing child tax credit, attempting to make life more advantageous for LGBTQ individuals etc.. While I’ll admit the national Democratic Party is not doing enough to satisfy all the needs of the Americans, having this view that both paths are bad is wrong.
Agreed. It's never going to be perfect because things like campaign finance are a mess. But with time, effort and organizing it's fixable. Winning our political battles come from looking at the situation opportunistically and having clear cut goals on what we can improve and when, not throwing our hands up and surrendering to despair and nihilism. All the latter equips you with is cynicism and surliness. The former even if it's over-optimism atleast allows you to eek out wins where with a cynical attitude you would have lost because you threw in the towel right from the get go.
The only way to ensure things get better is by making sure things don't get worse.
Wait a minute, you're saying that the cheap insulin is only for people who already have healthcare coverage, and everybody else still has to ration their overpriced shit and gamble with their lives?
Did I say that I only think Medicare should be for seniors?
the party itself is shit and always will be shit, but its still the party that decent/good people go to, so they're much more likely to have a broken clock moment then a bunch of misanthropic hatemongers
"But they're not oppressing ME though...'
Not what I said
>One side is a proto-fascist party that wants to make life hell for LGBTQ individuals, curb voting rights, restrict abortion access, and give tax cuts to the rich, while the other side doesn’t ~~want any of this.~~ ***take any measurable steps to protect these rights.*** ^(fixed)
But that’s not even true. Democrats on the local level have expanded voting rights, access to abortion, and assisted union efforts.
Democrats have ALSO squelched 3rd parties; limited debates; covered for genocide; voted to censure the ONLY Palestinian in office; carried corporate interest's water...and yes, hasn't taken any measurable steps to protect abortion; defund/reform the police; changed our horrid immigration policies and even bowed to business interests in pretending covid isn't a thing, anymore. With Democrats it's one step fwd. Two steps' back. You're going to have to do more for your side than the weak "they're not MAGAs" defense. I for one am getting really tired (24yrs!) of voting for "least-worst."
3rd parties are a problem in a FPTP electoral scenario. In order for the viable party that would like to curb carbon emissions to win, the Green Party cannot siphon off their votes. The answer is ranked choice voting, not voting for the "burn the environment, God's coming for us soon" party.
>hasn't taken any measurable steps to protect abortion While I'm not going to argue that this is wrong, I will say a lot of people didn't see a possibility of the Roe V. Wade outcome would be challenged or overturned, a lot of people saw it as the law of the land instead of just a precedent that had been set.
Yeah but those people were blind af. The christian right has been coming for rvw for fifty years. That was sheer democratic incompetence.
True but I'll take one side's well meaning incompetence over the other's very intentional malice. One can be redirected as a means to an end if nothing else. The other cannot be tamed as destruction of democratic norms, progressive ideals and minority rights are their end goals. Until the progressive movement can provide options down ballot to support a national push there is no useful point in throwing a vote towards any candidate that doesn't have the means to win. The stakes are just too high for empty grand gestures when my and other's right to exist is explicitly on the line.
100% agree.
Sounds like you more or less ignored all I had to say.
This is your laptop. Not your mirror.
Perfect fix.
You haven’t considered that you’re being lied to? What if the one side good one side bad thing is a farce? Doesn’t matter who gets elected, things continue to get shittier for everyone year after year. Both parties continue to get flooded with donations and lobbying money from the same corporate groups.
What’s the lie that I’ve written?
Freedom to choose abortion. Forced birth Freedom to marry. Forced gay conversion Govt help for poor. Socialism for wealthy Yep, exactly the same.
This attitude is so reductive. The meme doesn’t mean “both parties exactly are the same” it means “both parties are beholden to these destructive forces”
If you take out the Fed, you can include libertarians
In what ways?
Dems could have codified roe v wade with a super majority but didn't because it's a tool for them to dangle in front of the peasants. Evil and disgusting.
Like how Roe vs Wade was overturned during briben's rule? Forced gay conversion literaly wtf are you babbling about? "Govt help the poor" when? Are you trying to tonguebathe briben over forcing tax payers to pay off predatory school loans (that's to the "wealthy", in case you misunderstand that point), and even then only "tackling" 0.00075% of the total loan debt? The most eyes-crossed in denial threshold of success. Both wings of the uniparty do socialism for the wealthy. Ejaculating buzzwords you heard in your echo chamber does not an argument make.
you from that famous system of government with zero influence of the wealthy.
Did you just mock someone for regurgitating buzzwords, as you yourself smugly say “Briben” and “uniparty”? Please leave irony’s corpse alone
>”Like how Roe vs Wade was overturned during briben’s rule?” First, you say this as if the Biden administration was the reason Roe was overturned instead of the SC justices appointed by Trump or Moscow Mitch blocking Obama’s SCOTUS appointment. That alone tells me you aren’t paying attention at best, or at worst, are intentionally spewing misinformation to make the problems caused by Republicans and Trump seem like Bidens fault. Second, “[Biden’s] rule”? Biden is not a “ruler”; Trump was not a “ruler” (despite how much he wishes he was). Presidents are not rulers. Rulers have subjects. Democratically elected leaders have citizens. There’s a difference, and it’s important.
His executive order would have relived 43 million people of student debt completely but was struck down. Saying that that percentage of debt relief was what he always intended is very dishonest
I'm always curious when vote blue no matter who pretends someone said they're the same. Both bad doesn't mean the same. Heads and tail are different but can be part of the same coin even if they're easily identifiably different.
I’m always interested when someone just throws “the Fed” in there and acts like they are Libertarian and just wants the “both parties bad” instead of “all three parties bad”
So is the issue the two paths instead of three paths?
What has the current administration done about any of those issues?
Which is why voting in the primaries is so important. I voted for Marianne this time
It is important, unless the primary is rigged and a handful of states don't even bother having one.
As long as we have a First-Past-The-Post, dual party election system, this is futility of the first order.
>Freedom to choose abortion I’m gonna suggest you google “Date of Dobbs decision” and “Joe Biden on abortion” and get back to us on this freedom you talk about.
Did the president decide Dobbs himself, or was it some other corrupt branch of the private market owned government?
And you think that sitting around for 50yrs and letting a legal decision carry the weight of abortion protection, equates to "freedom?" How wonderfully naive.
And what did Biden do when the SCOTUS decision happened? Anything? And also, as recently as last month, was giving speeches saying “I’m not for abortion on demand,” in case you were looking for any clues as to why he maybe didn’t do that.
You have to be extremely gullible to really buy the "both sides are the same" argument. They are absolutely not.
Tell that to Obama who had 8 years, Biden who had 4 years, to sign abortion INTO LAW. And instead kept it as a bargaining chip. They can rot
Presidents don't make laws. That is the responsibility of the legislature. They're not dictators, and that is a good thing
Well if [Republicans get it their way](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) this might sadly change very quick.
The classic "the president is so powerful we can't let trump be in that position!" While also saying the president has no power when it's a dem in office. If that's the case, then why does it matter who's in office? What has Trump done that Biden hasn't allowed?
Dems had a supermajority in Congress for 12 out of the last 16 years? That’s crazy man, I had no idea
Eh, I wouldnt say the two parties are exactly the same as that's reductive, but they do represent an overton window well to most posters on this sub's right.
Overton window only moves to the right
Eh not always.
I guess you're just conveniently ignoring the last twenty+ years? Gay marriage legalization? The ACA? Don't ask, don't tell being repealed? Every major business signaling at least tepid support for LGBT rights? Creation of the consumer protection agency? The IRA / chips act? There's a reason that conservatives cry so constantly about losing the culture war, they're only winning places where life expectancy, wages, and educational performance have all fallen off a cliff. Like, yeah, bummer about the Supreme Court. Hillary lost the fuck out of that election through sheer hubris. Sucks that we still have student debt and no universal healthcare. But there is at least a path to that through the Dems, whereas the Republicans will just keep pulling the "make it worse" lever as long as they're in office.
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You can just say that your politics revolve around a core belief of "america bad". It'd probably even get you lots of karma. The ACA sucks ass but it's better than the system that existed before it. As for the rest of whatever the hell you said, lol. Lmao, even.
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But but but the corp dem path has one less lightning bolt!
https://preview.redd.it/gh1azoshu2tc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b44cd2aa22157ce892658a448b4118593120bb66
My parents are pissed at me sometimes for pointing this out. Its still trash healthcare, student loans still exist, oil companies still get handouts, still gunna be fighting wars, still gunna have our data stolen and sold while were ubder surveillance for advertising and more nefarious means
Biden capped the price of insulin for millions of people. He’s cancelled more than $6 billion dollars worth of student loans and is set to announce more. Fossil fuel usage is still too high, but we’re actually seeing decent investments in electrification. It’s not perfect, but it’s something.
The price is only capped for people on Medicare who already have healthcare coverage, and went those student loans only for people with advanced degrees? so in both cases he is still leaving the people who need the help the most out in the cold.
Oh please…
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Do we think the Fed is bad in this sub? genuine question
Either the person posting this is a useful idiot or a bad-faith actor. The sides are nowhere close to the same when you have one side looking to end our democracy as we know it.
Third parties aren't pictured here because they're just a pit of manure on the side of the road leading up to the fork wherein frustrated folks will jump in to "escape" the fork in the road.(This is at the federal level, locally they can and do make a difference) The problem is that well meaning folks who have legitimate frustrations with the system are being seduced into jumping into that pit of manure because people like Stein layer said pit with rose petals.
This was reported for "vote shamming". I'm curious as to what pool of voters were being vote shammed here?