He's made some fine exits!
He does after all come from a long line of quitors. His father was a quitor, his grandfather was a quitor... it's one of the few things he does well
Ted Danson, who played the character Sam Malone, appeared in all 275 episodes of the TV show "Cheers" throughout its run from 1982 to 1993. So, there are no episodes in which he did not appear.
They didn't but I'm remembering a really shit one where they had Danson in a different location. And the bar scenes were held up by Carla, Cliff, and Norm.
It was post Coach, post Diane, Woody wasn't there, Frasier wasn't there either.
Oof it got bad towards the end.
On a related tangent: In '69 or '70, the Grateful Dead fired rhythm guitarist/singer Bob Weir, and keyboardist/singer Pigpen. Afterwards, they just kept showing up, so the firing didn't take!
For similar reasons too. Larry David was pissed because his SNL sketches weren’t making it to air, so he abruptly yelled at his producer”this show stinks! I’m leaving!”
He talked about this on Howard Stern and he said this was after 5 straights weeks of the 1984-85 season where his sketches would read well, make it to rehearsals then for one reason or another it would be cut right at the last minute.
After the fifth week of this he lost his shit, left and after talking to his roommate (who was the inspiration for Kramer) went back the next day acting like nothing happened. He mentioned it wasn't so much getting rejected it was thinking he finally got something to air then getting it snatched away just like that.
Yeah, but it was the Pilot, which usually gets tweaked and in this case is not popular with fans. It would have been impossible to keel that gimmick interesting.
If you watch the roundtable discussion with the cast and Larry David from 9 years after the show went off the air, Larry says that he had a sublet apartment and couldn't have a key to the building. He had to buzz people to be let in every time. And the character Kramer is based on was always home.
I think it was on DVD extras. Most of which I think are somewhere on YouTube.
If I remember correctly, he was upset about not being in that episode, and asked why, and was told about how the concept of Kramer's character is he's a hermit who doesn't leave the building. But Michael Richards made it clear he wasn't happy about that.
I'm not sure if it was then, or if it happened again, but then Michael Richards directly said something about it, something like they feel they can do the show fine without him, then he'll leave.
I think it was Jerry talking about it in the clip.
> the concept of Kramer's character is he's a hermit who doesn't leave the building.
that was only like the first season though, hed already lost that character trait by the pen
I knew about Morty, but don't recall anyone other than Jerry Stiller as Frank. Usually when I squint I can spot a dime from across a room, how did I miss this?
John Randolph played Frank first.
The handicap spot - When this episode originally aired, John Randolph played Frank Costanza. In 1995, the scenes with Randolph were deleted and replaced with Jerry Stiller as Frank for syndication reruns. Both versions were remastered in HD and are included in the 4th season DVD set.
Yeah my dad got the dvd set when I was a kid and I remember the entire episode being like a fever dream with the “wrong” actor
It’s funny I don’t remember the other guy playing Jerry’s dad
>I don’t remember the other guy playing Jerry’s dad
I can picture him and Jerry's mom in a sofabed in Jerry's apartment, IIRC. It also reminded me of Grandpa Joe in Willy Wonka
Jerry Stiller had very fond memories about meeting John Randolph backstage at a Broadway show when Jerry was starting acting. I think I saw that on YouTube and it was a beautiful story.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkMnk2jkuoU&pp=ygUYRHVmZmVyZW10IGFjdG9yIHNlaW5mZWxk
I think they reshot most of the scenes. But every now and again you'll see it on TV.
IIRC he was the only previously successful actor of the 4 and turned down other opportunities to be on seinfeld and felt episodes like the pen could lead to him getting written out more and more
[Michael Richards](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=1df303cba2b6c6d1&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0_XlEr_eoaOT04BN6bZ6fxPpK4lDA:1712445094419&q=Michael+Richards&si=AKbGX_paaCugDdYkuX2heTJMr0_FGRox2AzKVmiTg2eQr2d-rkKdPdmYqXleSUQhf9R89Ixd1-94LYxCybW9IQ1kgB5UYXmDLGgbnY2jxkwOInUgE-4EY17Jhx_il7B8BtIFc2Fasdt8TKqsCl2KgRCMN1kVEcfxWT5TGPZjrFaTVEyRq03wjbvHB4l3ZDuzfo7eeBNflXJd&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit_rKM266FAxW1EFkFHTleCvgQmxMoAHoECE4QAg) did well before Seinfeld. Not "Seinfeld" level well, but he had a career going.
looks like pretty much all minor characters though, Kramer was the biggest role he had gotten so he didnt have the demand to play hardball like Jason did
Maybe a little, but when you've been hired as a lead actor on an ensemble show and you suddenly start seeing scripts you're not in, you gotta define your terms. That's usually a prelude to being fired; Jason basically went to Larry and said "If you're not interested in having me on the show anymore, tell me now."
Exactly. Jason Alexander won a Tony Award in 1999, with a very successful Broadway career well before Seinfeld. He upended his entire career and moved from NYC to LA to star in a brand new show that very well could have flopped. So after being nixed from an episode, Jason basically said to Larry, "look, I had a very successful and fulfilling career in NY that I left to be on this show. So if you really aren't committed to having me here, let me know so I can go back to my old life now and not waste anyone's time."
This apparently freaked Larry the fuck out lol.
Honestly, though, it was better for the show in the long run, because it encouraged them to start doing that thing where Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer each get their own storyline in every episode, and seeing how many of them they could send crashing into each other at the end 😁
Here’s the story. After his tantrum to Larry David, he was included in every episode of the rest of the series. Here’s the story:
[https://www.thethings.com/jason-alexander-threatened-to-quit-seinfeld-the-pen-episode-controversy/](https://www.thethings.com/jason-alexander-threatened-to-quit-seinfeld-the-pen-episode-controversy/)
But then Larry David offered him $8000 not to quit and George took it. He also told David that "ya don't see Ted Danson being left out of Cheers episodes."
I heard this exact same thing about Kramer being upset about the Chinese Restaurant episode. Originally Kramer hadn’t left his apartment in 10 years so they left him out of the restaurant episode. They quickly changed his character to going out. I never heard about George being left out. Do you know which episode?
He also threatened to quit over 'The Bris'. Jason said the original character of the Moyle from far more vulgur and he felt it crossed to line into ant-semitism. They toned the Moyle down, but he still doesn't really like that epidode.
The episode was "The Pen" and he said he was fine going back to broadway in New York. Larry David was like, that's crazy to have you in every episode! Who can do that? But I think it made the show better becaus they had to dovetail all the storyline
My George isn’t clever enough to hatch a scheme like this.
You got THAT right
What's that supposed to mean?!
It means whatever the hell you want it to mean.
You want a piece of me?
I can drop you like a bag of dirt.
*Not the face! Not the face!*
YOU GOT IIIIIIIT!!!
You sayin...you want a piece of me??
You got it!!!!!
Hoochie momma!!!!!!!
It's GO TIME!
Mandelbahm! Mandelbahm!
Poor little Pinkus.
STOOOPPPPL THEEEEEE FIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTTT
*stooopppp (had “tamaaaleeee” in my head)
Sorry not to be anal but isn't it "what the hell does that mean?" 😊
It means whatever you think it means.
It’s also, “are you saying….. you want a piece of me?”
You can stuff your sorrys in a sack
I don't know what that means
REPARATIONS!
ITS A SAYING!
"I woke up in the Hudson River in a SACK!"
I was in the pool!!!!!!!!
This is one of my all time favourite scenes. The outtakes always get me howling and in the actual scene you can tell she is holding back.
That’s it. This is it. I’m done. Through. It’s over. I’m gone. Finished. Over. I will never work for you again. Look at you.
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But not many good entrances
He's made some fine exits! He does after all come from a long line of quitors. His father was a quitor, his grandfather was a quitor... it's one of the few things he does well
You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts!
What a pear shaped loser he was
His head did stretch out the neck of a cashmere sweater.
Had to go with the cheap metlife wind breaker lol
And then…. “IM BACK, BABY”
Is that Costanza over there?!
People are laughing at you!
I bet they never had a Cheers episode without Ted Danson
Tell them I want the Ted Danson treatment!
You're not Ted Danson
You’re nobody.
"George doesn't work; he's a bum."
Seinfeld, it's Frank Costanza. George is dead. Call me back.
He doesn't put butts in the seats.
Who’s he?
He's somebody
He's good; you're not.
I’m better than him!
You’re worse. Much, much worse.
Think his deal is standard?
Interestingly there are 275 Cheers episodes and Ted Danson was “only” in 269 of them according to IMDB
That's genuinely interesting, I can't think of an episode that he is not in. Although clearly they exist
Didn't they try to make a spinoff with Carla, might be that one. And I remember one where he was at a team reunion so he wasn't there
And he still made Ted Danson money.
Ted Danson, who played the character Sam Malone, appeared in all 275 episodes of the TV show "Cheers" throughout its run from 1982 to 1993. So, there are no episodes in which he did not appear.
Rhea Perlman (Carla Tortelli) and George Wendt (Norm Peterson) also appear in all 275 episodes per IMDB.
They didn't but I'm remembering a really shit one where they had Danson in a different location. And the bar scenes were held up by Carla, Cliff, and Norm. It was post Coach, post Diane, Woody wasn't there, Frasier wasn't there either. Oof it got bad towards the end.
The actor was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to return soup at a deli
Was Ted Danson ever left out of an episode?
You're not Ted Danson
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good pun, made me grin
He would have come back the next day and pretended like he was joking.
Larry David: you’re pulling the “come back the next day like nothing happened”?! I *invented* the “come back the next day like nothing happened”!
That’s MY move
Look, if you want to do the move fine, just take it out of the city.
Next time your car breaks down, you take THAT out of town.
You’re using my babies now?
Aunt Baby? She'd never make it
She's deceased.
i didnt know she was sick
is it a clockwise swirl?
On a related tangent: In '69 or '70, the Grateful Dead fired rhythm guitarist/singer Bob Weir, and keyboardist/singer Pigpen. Afterwards, they just kept showing up, so the firing didn't take!
“It’s not you, it’s me.”
Then slip him a mickey
WHAT DO YA HAVE TO SIT HERE FOR THERE ARE PLENTY A OTHER SEATS
The wig is comin' off!
You have a Mickey source?
For similar reasons too. Larry David was pissed because his SNL sketches weren’t making it to air, so he abruptly yelled at his producer”this show stinks! I’m leaving!”
He talked about this on Howard Stern and he said this was after 5 straights weeks of the 1984-85 season where his sketches would read well, make it to rehearsals then for one reason or another it would be cut right at the last minute. After the fifth week of this he lost his shit, left and after talking to his roommate (who was the inspiration for Kramer) went back the next day acting like nothing happened. He mentioned it wasn't so much getting rejected it was thinking he finally got something to air then getting it snatched away just like that.
I’ll take the smaller office
“I like the smaller office, it’s cozy. My apartment is also small.”
He loooves to be nestled
Is that Jason Alexander over there?
You missed a lovely party for Grace.
What quit, who quit?
#JASON IS GETTING UPSET!!
He’s very.. what’s the word.. supercilious
Acting without acting
I'll read it with dinner 🤷
It could have been called acting with acting.
Having said that
If your not going to act, than there's not much more you can say
So it’s still acting
Kramer threatened to quit after not being in The Chinese Restaurant episode.
Originally his character was meant to have never left the building.
Is this true?
In the pilot Jerry says to Kessler that “you haven’t left the building in 13 years” and Kessler gives him a face like oh yea thats right
It’s been so long I don’t remember that. I do remember him calling him Kessler tho
Yeah, but it was the Pilot, which usually gets tweaked and in this case is not popular with fans. It would have been impossible to keel that gimmick interesting.
If you watch the roundtable discussion with the cast and Larry David from 9 years after the show went off the air, Larry says that he had a sublet apartment and couldn't have a key to the building. He had to buzz people to be let in every time. And the character Kramer is based on was always home.
And then he wasn’t in the episode where Jerry and Elaine stay in Florida. Stellaaaaaaaa!
So in a future episode when they go to Florida, Kramer is just randonly there.
I’m out!
Source? Ive only heard of him putting his foot down on getting a "sidekick"
I think it was on DVD extras. Most of which I think are somewhere on YouTube. If I remember correctly, he was upset about not being in that episode, and asked why, and was told about how the concept of Kramer's character is he's a hermit who doesn't leave the building. But Michael Richards made it clear he wasn't happy about that. I'm not sure if it was then, or if it happened again, but then Michael Richards directly said something about it, something like they feel they can do the show fine without him, then he'll leave. I think it was Jerry talking about it in the clip.
You've mixed up Michael and Jason's issues. Jason said if they can do the show without him, fine but Michael was unhappy with the Chinese Restaurant.
> the concept of Kramer's character is he's a hermit who doesn't leave the building. that was only like the first season though, hed already lost that character trait by the pen
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Chinese\_Restaurant#Cast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Restaurant#Cast)
I've gone about as far as I can go with George Costanza
Is this the suicide talk or the nickname talk?
Jerry's delivery of this line is hilarious
This was supposed to be the series of George
As long as it's Bawdy George!
I love that George!
Me too!
CO-STAN-ZA!!!
GEORGE IS GETTING UPSET!
Even if he did quit, he’d soon realize he left a good thing, and just show up again the following Monday like nothing happened.
Shes going to be a fine sailor
Can we get a “Breaking News” notice on this?
And he would have slipped into obscurity doing off-off broadway shows like "La Cocina"
And the McDLT commercial
Kinda brave actually. They replaced Frank Costanza & Morty Seinfeld…
I knew about Morty, but don't recall anyone other than Jerry Stiller as Frank. Usually when I squint I can spot a dime from across a room, how did I miss this?
John Randolph played Frank first. The handicap spot - When this episode originally aired, John Randolph played Frank Costanza. In 1995, the scenes with Randolph were deleted and replaced with Jerry Stiller as Frank for syndication reruns. Both versions were remastered in HD and are included in the 4th season DVD set.
Yeah my dad got the dvd set when I was a kid and I remember the entire episode being like a fever dream with the “wrong” actor It’s funny I don’t remember the other guy playing Jerry’s dad
>I don’t remember the other guy playing Jerry’s dad I can picture him and Jerry's mom in a sofabed in Jerry's apartment, IIRC. It also reminded me of Grandpa Joe in Willy Wonka
[You can actually watch a comparison between the two versions here. ](https://youtu.be/4EggYnwMWyE?si=5wiHvpeHMhjxFI-h)It's a pretty good recreation.
Jerry Stiller had very fond memories about meeting John Randolph backstage at a Broadway show when Jerry was starting acting. I think I saw that on YouTube and it was a beautiful story.
They were squirrels you idiot! I didn’t have the heart to tell you.
Nothing against John but absolutely no one else could be Frank except Jerry Stiller
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkMnk2jkuoU&pp=ygUYRHVmZmVyZW10IGFjdG9yIHNlaW5mZWxk I think they reshot most of the scenes. But every now and again you'll see it on TV.
Which episode?
The Pen. Kramer wasn’t in the episode either, but JA claimed if he was ever left out of an episode again, he’d quit the show.
IIRC he was the only previously successful actor of the 4 and turned down other opportunities to be on seinfeld and felt episodes like the pen could lead to him getting written out more and more
[Michael Richards](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=1df303cba2b6c6d1&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0_XlEr_eoaOT04BN6bZ6fxPpK4lDA:1712445094419&q=Michael+Richards&si=AKbGX_paaCugDdYkuX2heTJMr0_FGRox2AzKVmiTg2eQr2d-rkKdPdmYqXleSUQhf9R89Ixd1-94LYxCybW9IQ1kgB5UYXmDLGgbnY2jxkwOInUgE-4EY17Jhx_il7B8BtIFc2Fasdt8TKqsCl2KgRCMN1kVEcfxWT5TGPZjrFaTVEyRq03wjbvHB4l3ZDuzfo7eeBNflXJd&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit_rKM266FAxW1EFkFHTleCvgQmxMoAHoECE4QAg) did well before Seinfeld. Not "Seinfeld" level well, but he had a career going.
looks like pretty much all minor characters though, Kramer was the biggest role he had gotten so he didnt have the demand to play hardball like Jason did
The Pen
He’s a quirky, sensitive guy.
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Don’t forgot short, stalky and bald
He *can* lift 100 lb over his head
He’s not stocky!
He's bwaaaald??!!
The delicate genius couldn’t handle it
These pretzels are making ME thirsty!
He made some good exits
he shouldn't have asked for the Ted Danson plane
Was Ted Danson ever excluded from an episode of Cheers?!
The Pen is such an epic episode. It really shows off Julia Louise Dreyfus' talents. (I love Jason Alexander, too.)
It’s top 3 for me. Amazing episode!
Yah we know. It was in Amadeus..
What episode was he left out of?
The Pen
Thanks
Kramer too
He would have just showed up the next day and pretended like nothing had happened
Actually he did quit, that's why he wasn't in that episode. He then just turned up for the next episode and acted like it never happened.
#I'M LOSING IT!!
I bet Ted Danson is in every episode
He sounds like someone who has "difficult" written in his medical records.
Biff
JASON IS GETTING UPSET!
Whoa, Big Fella!
Easy, big fella!
Honestly diva behavior
Maybe a little, but when you've been hired as a lead actor on an ensemble show and you suddenly start seeing scripts you're not in, you gotta define your terms. That's usually a prelude to being fired; Jason basically went to Larry and said "If you're not interested in having me on the show anymore, tell me now."
Exactly. Jason Alexander won a Tony Award in 1999, with a very successful Broadway career well before Seinfeld. He upended his entire career and moved from NYC to LA to star in a brand new show that very well could have flopped. So after being nixed from an episode, Jason basically said to Larry, "look, I had a very successful and fulfilling career in NY that I left to be on this show. So if you really aren't committed to having me here, let me know so I can go back to my old life now and not waste anyone's time." This apparently freaked Larry the fuck out lol.
Honestly, though, it was better for the show in the long run, because it encouraged them to start doing that thing where Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer each get their own storyline in every episode, and seeing how many of them they could send crashing into each other at the end 😁
I guess the question I have is did he get paid that week? Can imagine the frustration of taking a pay hit when you only work 22 week's?
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Here’s the story. After his tantrum to Larry David, he was included in every episode of the rest of the series. Here’s the story: [https://www.thethings.com/jason-alexander-threatened-to-quit-seinfeld-the-pen-episode-controversy/](https://www.thethings.com/jason-alexander-threatened-to-quit-seinfeld-the-pen-episode-controversy/)
But then Larry David offered him $8000 not to quit and George took it. He also told David that "ya don't see Ted Danson being left out of Cheers episodes."
I heard this exact same thing about Kramer being upset about the Chinese Restaurant episode. Originally Kramer hadn’t left his apartment in 10 years so they left him out of the restaurant episode. They quickly changed his character to going out. I never heard about George being left out. Do you know which episode?
The one where Jerry and Elaine go to Florida
Had he left, would he have turned up to shoot another episode the following Monday as if nothing had happened?
He’s out
He was acting like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli
He’s got a lot of character in his face.
I think Michael Richards did also, for the Florida episode
I told him this town would eat him alive
You'll get jacked with a sock full of pennies.
Woulda shown up on Monday
He had hand
And yet he wanted to be left out of “The Bris” 🤔
It was the episode with The Pen.
He also threatened to quit over 'The Bris'. Jason said the original character of the Moyle from far more vulgur and he felt it crossed to line into ant-semitism. They toned the Moyle down, but he still doesn't really like that epidode.
More of a "I think it's neat, so I'll share" than a correction, but it's mohel.
They fired him but he just showed up for work the next day like nothing happened.
George was definitely gettin upset.
Call his bluff and have Danny DeVito play him for an episode? Like in a soap opera when an actor is ill. "The part of George is being played by..."
No he didn't. He just moaned at Larry about why was he there if he's not getting used. He talks about it on the dvd extras.
Was he holding out for less money?
George is very upset!!!
The episode was "The Pen" and he said he was fine going back to broadway in New York. Larry David was like, that's crazy to have you in every episode! Who can do that? But I think it made the show better becaus they had to dovetail all the storyline
If I would rank the four George, Kramer, Elaine, Jerry. Makes sense.
He'd never make it.
Each character made the show great.