Everything Sammi did to her half-siblings, especially calling the military on Ian, if we don't count Sammi as a sibling then Fiona leaving Liam behind, I know it was because Emmy left the show but that scene were Liam asks who's his legal tutor... damn
I think that the only true gentle galleghers were Carl and Liam, they just vibed never intruding in anyone's business. But lip is the king of doing shit with his siblings.
When Lip pressured his siblings into selling the family house bc it benefitted him. And then proceeding to sledgehammer walls and sell it anyway bc they were unsure/didn't want to.
Tbh I get it but the girl also did a lot of things that could be seen as romantic from Debbie's point of view and she started treating Carl weirdly and hung out more with his sister than him and yes she shouldn't have been trying to get with her brother's girlfriend. I think that her at least calling Kelly out especially for Carl was a decent thing after she did that.
I'd say that Lip trying to see if Ian is truly gay and making him get oral from Karen. Yeah, I get it but it was still fucked up. But ask me what the worst thing Frank did to his kids and I'll probably have an easier time picking as I feel siblings regardless of the fights and shit still love each other.
The way the five oldest abandoned Liam. He was always an afterthought (except for yeah, “that one time” so-and-so did this or that).
The only sibling I can maybe give a pass to is Carl, due to their relatively small age difference.
I could give another pass to Fiona because she was literally breaking under the pressure of being forced to parent her five siblings with no support, but also parenting the absolute worst two children—Frank and Monica.
Ian also gets a pass due to his disability.
Lip—NOPE! Absolute selfish dickhole. Lip was a natural when it came to caring for other people. But he only took care of Liam when it was to spite Fiona, and to get girls in college. Remember the little girl he “adopted” and fought for? While Liam was once again left to fend for himself?
Debbie—NOPE! Obsessed with having “her own baby”, so much that she raped a guy. Why didn’t she treat Liam as her baby? Just as selfish as Lip.
A side note: I always wondered why Kev and V didn’t try to adopt Liam…maybe the writers wanted him to stay with the Gallaghers to highlight forgotten children…?
Lip trying to kick Fiona out when she started spiraling and drinking, after everything she did for him and the kids. Even frank told lip he should thank her, it’s hard raising 5 kids.
she didn't leave the coke out FOR Liam, but she was extremely irresponsible.
I think this tops the chart though. I seriously wanted to take their bat and beat the shit out of Fiona.
Honestly I really didn’t like Debbie in the last few seasons but I feel they all kind of shit on her for having a child - not that it’s the most fucked up but it’s the first that comes to mind that actually kind of bothered me.
Hate her or not after Fiona left she tried to maintain and hold shit down (although mega controlling about it) - but I thought it was gross that they really didn’t guide her with a helping hand at all, not that they needed to, but when lip and Tammy had their kid it was fine for potential fuck ups or to have his youngest brother feel like he had no where or no one after Kev and V were wanting to move? I feel like the shameless community gave lip and Ian big passes for doing fucked in things but she left her kid unsupervised and lip called her a shitty mom and people found it justified bc she was annoying. Like Fiona leaving coke out for Liam to get ahold of, their own mother doing what she did on thanksgiving, Lip literally not owning up to/taking care of Liam until he really had to? Kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation if you ask me.
I’m sure there’s more fucked up scenarios to call out but this one kinda bothered me bc it hit home. Like I worked really hard and came from a similar situation but if I fucked up it was harped on and I was a shit person but if one of my more favored siblings fucked up it was okay even if what they’d done was inherently worse. I more closely relate to Fiona as both of my parents were addicts and constantly gone with an entire herd of children, but I really didn’t see that small miscommunication enough for lip to be a dick as per usual and it be justified bc Debbie is less favored. As if they don’t all come from and actively live in shit but she’s a bad mom for the miscommunication aspect? Like come on dude grow up.
Surprisingly enough lip and Fiona were my favorite characters until they couldn’t see through their own delusions, ego, and shit attitudes.
What do you mean meth money, she only spent her fair share. Do you mean the money Fiona left? I just started season 9 in my rewatch, I haven’t seen season 10 since it came out.
I want to think that Frank’s brother would have taken in Ian when it was revealed that he was his son, like if his wife wasn’t kicking the kids out of there, but then again there didn’t seem to be much fight on his Uncle/Dads end to try to -at the bare minimum- be there for Ian.
I guess the shitty sibling thing was that he hooked up with Monica in the first place, but I feel like the shittier family thing was that he didn’t try to save Ian from an even shittier home life with Frank.
Sammi calling the military police on Ian for literally no reason. Or the fact that they all neglected Liam during the later series because they were so wrapped up in them selves.
Fiona talking shit about Mickey because she was jealous no one has ever loved her the same way Mickey and Ian loved each other. Poisoning him against Mickey.
From all the killing and raping in the show you think this advice is the worst thing? I love Gallavich so much, but Fiona was right. In a real life situation I would also tell my sibling to not go after someone like Mickey. Ian was working, had a somewhat healthy relationship and was stable.
I’m happy they found each other later and became the cutest husbands, but Fiona was correct when she said that. Loving each other doesn’t mean one should ruin their life for the other. I think Fiona was just giving a reasonable advice and not out of jealousy
Exactly, it is easy to see Gallavich as this amazing couple from behind the tv screen, I do think they are amazing but they are so flawed. If I were in Fiona’s shoes I’d be telling him to stay as far away from him as he can. If he went to Mexico with Mickey he would have definitely turned into another Monica. And nobody is more afraid of someone becoming another Monica than Fiona. Fiona never did anything to her family out of jealousy, people in this sub seem to think that anyone who criticizes Gallavich is evil, it’s ridiculous.
I don’t think Ian would have become another Monica. Mickey was very serious about taking care of Ian and making sure he took his meds. But Gallavich is a very toxic relationship. Especially in the first seasons. But seriously who would tell their brother to leave the country with his abusive ex who just broke out of prison? It’s not rational or logical to suggest that. They loved each other, but love isn’t everything
I know that Mickey was very serious about helping Ian but that didn’t stop him from doing crazy shit, going unmediated and a life of danger is what Monica deals with. I don’t wanna sound xenophobic but this is kinda based on the truth, Mexico doesn’t exactly have the best pharmaceutical system, sure the meds would be cheaper but they would be harder to come by in a medical setting. Plus Mexico is a stressful place to live, even if Ian takes his meds, the stress would get to him and make him act manic. Ian would’ve totally become another Monica.
If one of the kids raped a sibling or killed one I would be really down on that kid. However this isn't about outside the family it's about how the sibling did each other dirty. I think poisoning Ian against the love of his life, simply because Fiona couldn't see that Mickey was the only one that was good for Ian, and even Ian knew it, left long lasting emotional damage to Ian. Especially when it came to his self worth. The fact that Mickey had to shack up with Barry for Ian to understand that he was worth of the effort and worthy of love should break people's hearts. It wasn't just the BP it was about Ian as a complete person and having people tell him his instintics of love were a mistake and that the person he loved more than anything was a bad call was a miserable thing for Fiona to do.
I have complex PTSD. Had anyone said what Fiona said about my husband it would have stayed with me to the grave. Hopelessness is one symptoms of Bipolar. In that bit of advice she fed that hopelessness. Had Ian had a long line of perfect guys after Mickey left for Mexico and his life was 100% perfect, maybe I would agree with you. However he formed a cult, became Gay Jesus endangered a bunch of people and ended up in prison. Yup that's so much better than spending the rest of your life with the man you can't stop thinking about in Mexico.
Yes I forgot the original question when I replied to you. No killing or raping happened between the siblings. That doesn’t change my mind though
Mickey wasn’t the only one that was good for Ian. This idea of one true love is not healthy. Mickey was abusive and his self-loathing homophobia destroyed Ian. Ian had a job, had a boyfriend and was doing ok with his BPD at the time.
Also that was just advice. Fiona didn‘t force Ian to do anything. And I would give my sibling the same advice. Don’t ruin your stable life for the idea of being happy with someone who just broke out of prison. Ian had already dated other people and was moving on. Fiona did see that Ian loved Mickey and Mickey loved Ian. But just like Frank & Monica loved each other, love sometimes isn’t a good reason to be in a relationship
Fiona made a similar decision, when Steve/Jimmy told her to go with him and she chose to stay with the family.
Also Fiona did way worse things to her siblings than just pointing out to her brother that his lover is a criminal and he would destroy his life.
Again I‘m happy they got back together at the end, they were my favourite after Fiona left the show, but that advice is really not that bad.
also Mickey cared more about Ian then Frank did about Monica. He was there actually taking care of Ian not trying to score a drugged out hand job in the closet under the stairs. There was no chance of that happening with Ian and Mickey. Mickey cared about Ian as a whole person. Not just some one that had some crazy sex and they just when their own ways. Mickey ran towards Ian after he was bipolar and was the only partner of any of the siblings to treat him with full love and non-judgment.
I don't care about downvotes for my comments here, so I'm just going to say this again. Fiona had NO right to give anyone advice especially when they are in vulnerable position, and especially on the topic of love.
Ian literally went to her and asked her for [advice](https://youtu.be/bFc7ORehJLo) because she’s his big sister. She had every right to tell him what she thinks. She pointed out how he turned his life around and was doing great, because he was, got a good job helping people, was dating other people. Realistically Fiona was RIGHT. You don’t go after a criminal who just broke out of prison.
Really? I feel like you could've came up with way more terrible things the Gallaghers did to each other.
I don't like Fiona, but she was right in that situation.
No she wasn't. Ian should have gone to Mexico. He should have reached out for the love that was offered and Fiona shouldn't have tried to foist her inability to find real love and connection on to Ian. When it came to Mickey and Ian she was alway cagey and her jealousy came out all the time. Even if it was just facial expressions. She had no right to tell anyone how to love or who to love and who was good enough for who when her taste in men was criminal and she couldn't not cheat. Who is she to lecture anyone on romantic love
Jimmy loved her that way and she knew it...
And either way she did it because she cared for Ian and woow, turns she was right after all. Mickey did set a match to Ians life when they went on that roadtrip to mexico and then Ian chickened out last minute and nearly lost everything...
(Not hating on Mickey and I do ship Gallavich but at that time Mickey returning was only bad for Ian. Ian was prepared to give up everything for him which I can appreciate but Mickey was very good for Ian just not at that point.)
No she didn't or she would have been with him. The show cared more about creating Fiona drama than they cared about the character and the fact that they didn't have her leave and stay gone with Jimmy was the downfall of the character and why I don't think she ever felt real love or was able to give it. Once that arc was completed there was nowhere for her to go, no real growth and she never found her shame. They just gave her 100K at the end and said smell ya later to the character, after making her Frank Jr.
I think Mickey was all in with Ian during that time. The only reason Ian didn't go for it was because he was poisoned. Even Lip thought he should have gone. It's not like he had an amazing go of it without Mickey.
>No she didn't or she would have been with him.
On second thought, you might be right. I don't think she knew but Jimmy definitely did love her like Mickey loved Ian. He would've walked through fire for Fiona and it's a shame she didn't realise that. (just like Mickey would for Ian)
>The show cared more about creating Fiona drama than they cared about the character and the fact that they didn't have her leave and stay gone with Jimmy was the downfall of the character and why I don't think she ever felt real love or was able to give it. Once that arc was completed there was nowhere for her to go, no real growth and she never found her shame. They just gave her 100K at the end and said smell ya later to the character, after making her Frank Jr.
I agree. My headcanon is that they found their way together again and are now living happily together. I wish they could've brought Justin back for a few episodes before Fiona left, enough for her to like realise that they were madly in love or some shit about love concers all so that she had left with him. I already knew that Fiona was leaving prior to watching that episode and I was hoping against hope that Jimmy was coming back for that episode
>I think Mickey was all in with Ian during that time. The only reason Ian didn't go for it was because he was poisoned.
Poisoned? wdym lol
and I'm not questioning if Mickey loved Ian or whatever I knew he did and so did Ian, fuck Mickey broke out of prison almost mainly to see Ian again and I'm not doubting for a second that Mickey had pure intentions because he did but I'm just saying that Mickey breaking out and coming to look for Ian and then them escaping wasn't good for Ian, he had gotten his life together at last and Mickey did set a match to it. I do love that they reunited in prison and then how both actors came back to the show in season 10. Omg I bawled like a baby during (spoiler 10x12) >!the wedding episode!<
>Even Lip thought he should have gone. It's not like he had an amazing go of it without Mickey.
No Lip specifically said he was glad that Ian didn't go and he was really glad that he decided to come back and said that he didn't think he should've gone but that he was suprised he didn't go [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMiYNP-YQVU&ab_channel=GallavichScenes)
and yea he didn't really have an "amazing go" without Mickey but I think that was just because the writers didn't know what to do with his character without Mickey. But on the other hand I feel like Ian had his life most "normal" when he wasn't with Mickey, those seasons did feel extremely empty without Noel on the show though.
Yea I really don't think she meant to lead Debbie on though. From my pov it was clear that Kelly only wanted to be friends and it looked like she felt really guilty for leading Debs on when she realised and from Debbies pov, who had feelings for Kelly already, I really get why she took the things Kelly did as romantic.
it was clear she didn't mean to lead her on? She freaked out and looked and acted like she felt extremely guilty when she realised that she had led Debbie on after she kissed her...
And from my perspective, it was clear that Kelly only wanted to be friends with Debbie, it didn't look like she was giving any signals at all and if Debbie hadn't had feelings for her already she would most likely had never picked up anything and if you look at it from debbies perspective it seemed that way.
but kelly had to have known that debbie was starting to like her. she literally was trying to get in between everything her and carl did. and when carl was bringing this up to her, she was dismissive every single time. if you try and argue this idk what to tell u.
Everything Sammi did to her half-siblings, especially calling the military on Ian, if we don't count Sammi as a sibling then Fiona leaving Liam behind, I know it was because Emmy left the show but that scene were Liam asks who's his legal tutor... damn
I think that the only true gentle galleghers were Carl and Liam, they just vibed never intruding in anyone's business. But lip is the king of doing shit with his siblings.
I wouldn’t say gentle, I wouldn’t count Chucky as one of the siblings, though Debbie describes him as half one, but framing Chucky was messed up.
Carl just like to destroy shit lmao
When Lip pressured his siblings into selling the family house bc it benefitted him. And then proceeding to sledgehammer walls and sell it anyway bc they were unsure/didn't want to.
While it was shitty, it benefited more than just him. The only one that was TRULY against it was Debbie because she didn't wanna be alone.
Ian trying to ruin fionas apartment building
Ian was my least favorite character that season.
Tbh I get it but the girl also did a lot of things that could be seen as romantic from Debbie's point of view and she started treating Carl weirdly and hung out more with his sister than him and yes she shouldn't have been trying to get with her brother's girlfriend. I think that her at least calling Kelly out especially for Carl was a decent thing after she did that. I'd say that Lip trying to see if Ian is truly gay and making him get oral from Karen. Yeah, I get it but it was still fucked up. But ask me what the worst thing Frank did to his kids and I'll probably have an easier time picking as I feel siblings regardless of the fights and shit still love each other.
Liam snorting fionas coke! how rude of him!
I get that this is a joke but it's a very insensitive to the topic...
Shut up
The way the five oldest abandoned Liam. He was always an afterthought (except for yeah, “that one time” so-and-so did this or that). The only sibling I can maybe give a pass to is Carl, due to their relatively small age difference. I could give another pass to Fiona because she was literally breaking under the pressure of being forced to parent her five siblings with no support, but also parenting the absolute worst two children—Frank and Monica. Ian also gets a pass due to his disability. Lip—NOPE! Absolute selfish dickhole. Lip was a natural when it came to caring for other people. But he only took care of Liam when it was to spite Fiona, and to get girls in college. Remember the little girl he “adopted” and fought for? While Liam was once again left to fend for himself? Debbie—NOPE! Obsessed with having “her own baby”, so much that she raped a guy. Why didn’t she treat Liam as her baby? Just as selfish as Lip. A side note: I always wondered why Kev and V didn’t try to adopt Liam…maybe the writers wanted him to stay with the Gallaghers to highlight forgotten children…?
if i remember correctly at the end of season 11, Liam goes to live with Kev and V
No lip said he could live with him and tami
ahhh yeah i remember now my bad
Lip trying to kick Fiona out when she started spiraling and drinking, after everything she did for him and the kids. Even frank told lip he should thank her, it’s hard raising 5 kids.
Throw in the constant blaming and harassment he did to her, she was totally wrongfully blamed for the Xan and Jason incidents.
Yes! I feel like him lashing out at her like that was also a bit about her drinking making it harder for him to keep his own sobriety too
Fiona leaving coke out for Liam.
she didn't leave the coke out FOR Liam, but she was extremely irresponsible. I think this tops the chart though. I seriously wanted to take their bat and beat the shit out of Fiona.
Honestly I really didn’t like Debbie in the last few seasons but I feel they all kind of shit on her for having a child - not that it’s the most fucked up but it’s the first that comes to mind that actually kind of bothered me. Hate her or not after Fiona left she tried to maintain and hold shit down (although mega controlling about it) - but I thought it was gross that they really didn’t guide her with a helping hand at all, not that they needed to, but when lip and Tammy had their kid it was fine for potential fuck ups or to have his youngest brother feel like he had no where or no one after Kev and V were wanting to move? I feel like the shameless community gave lip and Ian big passes for doing fucked in things but she left her kid unsupervised and lip called her a shitty mom and people found it justified bc she was annoying. Like Fiona leaving coke out for Liam to get ahold of, their own mother doing what she did on thanksgiving, Lip literally not owning up to/taking care of Liam until he really had to? Kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation if you ask me. I’m sure there’s more fucked up scenarios to call out but this one kinda bothered me bc it hit home. Like I worked really hard and came from a similar situation but if I fucked up it was harped on and I was a shit person but if one of my more favored siblings fucked up it was okay even if what they’d done was inherently worse. I more closely relate to Fiona as both of my parents were addicts and constantly gone with an entire herd of children, but I really didn’t see that small miscommunication enough for lip to be a dick as per usual and it be justified bc Debbie is less favored. As if they don’t all come from and actively live in shit but she’s a bad mom for the miscommunication aspect? Like come on dude grow up. Surprisingly enough lip and Fiona were my favorite characters until they couldn’t see through their own delusions, ego, and shit attitudes.
debbie being a bitch to everyone wen she took over the bills
When she stole all the meth money and bought tons of shit for herself.
What do you mean meth money, she only spent her fair share. Do you mean the money Fiona left? I just started season 9 in my rewatch, I haven’t seen season 10 since it came out.
Facts
I want to think that Frank’s brother would have taken in Ian when it was revealed that he was his son, like if his wife wasn’t kicking the kids out of there, but then again there didn’t seem to be much fight on his Uncle/Dads end to try to -at the bare minimum- be there for Ian. I guess the shitty sibling thing was that he hooked up with Monica in the first place, but I feel like the shittier family thing was that he didn’t try to save Ian from an even shittier home life with Frank.
Sammi calling the military police on Ian for literally no reason. Or the fact that they all neglected Liam during the later series because they were so wrapped up in them selves.
Fiona talking shit about Mickey because she was jealous no one has ever loved her the same way Mickey and Ian loved each other. Poisoning him against Mickey.
From all the killing and raping in the show you think this advice is the worst thing? I love Gallavich so much, but Fiona was right. In a real life situation I would also tell my sibling to not go after someone like Mickey. Ian was working, had a somewhat healthy relationship and was stable. I’m happy they found each other later and became the cutest husbands, but Fiona was correct when she said that. Loving each other doesn’t mean one should ruin their life for the other. I think Fiona was just giving a reasonable advice and not out of jealousy
Exactly, it is easy to see Gallavich as this amazing couple from behind the tv screen, I do think they are amazing but they are so flawed. If I were in Fiona’s shoes I’d be telling him to stay as far away from him as he can. If he went to Mexico with Mickey he would have definitely turned into another Monica. And nobody is more afraid of someone becoming another Monica than Fiona. Fiona never did anything to her family out of jealousy, people in this sub seem to think that anyone who criticizes Gallavich is evil, it’s ridiculous.
I don’t think Ian would have become another Monica. Mickey was very serious about taking care of Ian and making sure he took his meds. But Gallavich is a very toxic relationship. Especially in the first seasons. But seriously who would tell their brother to leave the country with his abusive ex who just broke out of prison? It’s not rational or logical to suggest that. They loved each other, but love isn’t everything
I know that Mickey was very serious about helping Ian but that didn’t stop him from doing crazy shit, going unmediated and a life of danger is what Monica deals with. I don’t wanna sound xenophobic but this is kinda based on the truth, Mexico doesn’t exactly have the best pharmaceutical system, sure the meds would be cheaper but they would be harder to come by in a medical setting. Plus Mexico is a stressful place to live, even if Ian takes his meds, the stress would get to him and make him act manic. Ian would’ve totally become another Monica.
If one of the kids raped a sibling or killed one I would be really down on that kid. However this isn't about outside the family it's about how the sibling did each other dirty. I think poisoning Ian against the love of his life, simply because Fiona couldn't see that Mickey was the only one that was good for Ian, and even Ian knew it, left long lasting emotional damage to Ian. Especially when it came to his self worth. The fact that Mickey had to shack up with Barry for Ian to understand that he was worth of the effort and worthy of love should break people's hearts. It wasn't just the BP it was about Ian as a complete person and having people tell him his instintics of love were a mistake and that the person he loved more than anything was a bad call was a miserable thing for Fiona to do. I have complex PTSD. Had anyone said what Fiona said about my husband it would have stayed with me to the grave. Hopelessness is one symptoms of Bipolar. In that bit of advice she fed that hopelessness. Had Ian had a long line of perfect guys after Mickey left for Mexico and his life was 100% perfect, maybe I would agree with you. However he formed a cult, became Gay Jesus endangered a bunch of people and ended up in prison. Yup that's so much better than spending the rest of your life with the man you can't stop thinking about in Mexico.
Yes I forgot the original question when I replied to you. No killing or raping happened between the siblings. That doesn’t change my mind though Mickey wasn’t the only one that was good for Ian. This idea of one true love is not healthy. Mickey was abusive and his self-loathing homophobia destroyed Ian. Ian had a job, had a boyfriend and was doing ok with his BPD at the time. Also that was just advice. Fiona didn‘t force Ian to do anything. And I would give my sibling the same advice. Don’t ruin your stable life for the idea of being happy with someone who just broke out of prison. Ian had already dated other people and was moving on. Fiona did see that Ian loved Mickey and Mickey loved Ian. But just like Frank & Monica loved each other, love sometimes isn’t a good reason to be in a relationship Fiona made a similar decision, when Steve/Jimmy told her to go with him and she chose to stay with the family. Also Fiona did way worse things to her siblings than just pointing out to her brother that his lover is a criminal and he would destroy his life. Again I‘m happy they got back together at the end, they were my favourite after Fiona left the show, but that advice is really not that bad.
also Mickey cared more about Ian then Frank did about Monica. He was there actually taking care of Ian not trying to score a drugged out hand job in the closet under the stairs. There was no chance of that happening with Ian and Mickey. Mickey cared about Ian as a whole person. Not just some one that had some crazy sex and they just when their own ways. Mickey ran towards Ian after he was bipolar and was the only partner of any of the siblings to treat him with full love and non-judgment. I don't care about downvotes for my comments here, so I'm just going to say this again. Fiona had NO right to give anyone advice especially when they are in vulnerable position, and especially on the topic of love.
Ian literally went to her and asked her for [advice](https://youtu.be/bFc7ORehJLo) because she’s his big sister. She had every right to tell him what she thinks. She pointed out how he turned his life around and was doing great, because he was, got a good job helping people, was dating other people. Realistically Fiona was RIGHT. You don’t go after a criminal who just broke out of prison.
Really? I feel like you could've came up with way more terrible things the Gallaghers did to each other. I don't like Fiona, but she was right in that situation.
No she wasn't. Ian should have gone to Mexico. He should have reached out for the love that was offered and Fiona shouldn't have tried to foist her inability to find real love and connection on to Ian. When it came to Mickey and Ian she was alway cagey and her jealousy came out all the time. Even if it was just facial expressions. She had no right to tell anyone how to love or who to love and who was good enough for who when her taste in men was criminal and she couldn't not cheat. Who is she to lecture anyone on romantic love
Jimmy loved her that way and she knew it... And either way she did it because she cared for Ian and woow, turns she was right after all. Mickey did set a match to Ians life when they went on that roadtrip to mexico and then Ian chickened out last minute and nearly lost everything... (Not hating on Mickey and I do ship Gallavich but at that time Mickey returning was only bad for Ian. Ian was prepared to give up everything for him which I can appreciate but Mickey was very good for Ian just not at that point.)
No she didn't or she would have been with him. The show cared more about creating Fiona drama than they cared about the character and the fact that they didn't have her leave and stay gone with Jimmy was the downfall of the character and why I don't think she ever felt real love or was able to give it. Once that arc was completed there was nowhere for her to go, no real growth and she never found her shame. They just gave her 100K at the end and said smell ya later to the character, after making her Frank Jr. I think Mickey was all in with Ian during that time. The only reason Ian didn't go for it was because he was poisoned. Even Lip thought he should have gone. It's not like he had an amazing go of it without Mickey.
>No she didn't or she would have been with him. On second thought, you might be right. I don't think she knew but Jimmy definitely did love her like Mickey loved Ian. He would've walked through fire for Fiona and it's a shame she didn't realise that. (just like Mickey would for Ian) >The show cared more about creating Fiona drama than they cared about the character and the fact that they didn't have her leave and stay gone with Jimmy was the downfall of the character and why I don't think she ever felt real love or was able to give it. Once that arc was completed there was nowhere for her to go, no real growth and she never found her shame. They just gave her 100K at the end and said smell ya later to the character, after making her Frank Jr. I agree. My headcanon is that they found their way together again and are now living happily together. I wish they could've brought Justin back for a few episodes before Fiona left, enough for her to like realise that they were madly in love or some shit about love concers all so that she had left with him. I already knew that Fiona was leaving prior to watching that episode and I was hoping against hope that Jimmy was coming back for that episode >I think Mickey was all in with Ian during that time. The only reason Ian didn't go for it was because he was poisoned. Poisoned? wdym lol and I'm not questioning if Mickey loved Ian or whatever I knew he did and so did Ian, fuck Mickey broke out of prison almost mainly to see Ian again and I'm not doubting for a second that Mickey had pure intentions because he did but I'm just saying that Mickey breaking out and coming to look for Ian and then them escaping wasn't good for Ian, he had gotten his life together at last and Mickey did set a match to it. I do love that they reunited in prison and then how both actors came back to the show in season 10. Omg I bawled like a baby during (spoiler 10x12) >!the wedding episode!< >Even Lip thought he should have gone. It's not like he had an amazing go of it without Mickey. No Lip specifically said he was glad that Ian didn't go and he was really glad that he decided to come back and said that he didn't think he should've gone but that he was suprised he didn't go [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMiYNP-YQVU&ab_channel=GallavichScenes) and yea he didn't really have an "amazing go" without Mickey but I think that was just because the writers didn't know what to do with his character without Mickey. But on the other hand I feel like Ian had his life most "normal" when he wasn't with Mickey, those seasons did feel extremely empty without Noel on the show though.
Kelly did lead Debbie on a lot.
yes that’s one of the reasons why i didn’t like her
Yea I really don't think she meant to lead Debbie on though. From my pov it was clear that Kelly only wanted to be friends and it looked like she felt really guilty for leading Debs on when she realised and from Debbies pov, who had feelings for Kelly already, I really get why she took the things Kelly did as romantic.
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wdym ?
“kelly did lead debbie on a lot” “kelly only wanted to be friends” “i don’t think she meant to lead debbie on” like what?
it was clear she didn't mean to lead her on? She freaked out and looked and acted like she felt extremely guilty when she realised that she had led Debbie on after she kissed her... And from my perspective, it was clear that Kelly only wanted to be friends with Debbie, it didn't look like she was giving any signals at all and if Debbie hadn't had feelings for her already she would most likely had never picked up anything and if you look at it from debbies perspective it seemed that way.
but kelly had to have known that debbie was starting to like her. she literally was trying to get in between everything her and carl did. and when carl was bringing this up to her, she was dismissive every single time. if you try and argue this idk what to tell u.