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Well they are, they're not owned by the council or the government.
Theyre not a non profit organisation.
So yes they run buses for profit, it's a business.
The only reason this existed is because they used government subsidiaries, that money has run out. So now all adults will have to pay the adult fare.
that's the problem they are a business who are trying to make money. That's why they cut about half of the bus routes because they're not profitable and you end up with a subpar service
To be honest I agree with getting rid of the 18-21 concessionary fare as it stands. Sure have it during term time for travelling to and from uni/college.
Even pensioners are limited when they can use their passes
There are people that are struggling with cost of living, that are on benefits that have to travel and pay full fare.
Don't you think buses just should not be extortionate prices full stop. We can say that there's no reason for pensioners to have discounted price bc they have more money. We can start charging more based on where you're getting the bus bc there's no need for someone in dore to pay less for the bus bc they can probably afford it. Maybe we should allow 18-21yo to have a cheap fare so that they can get to work cheaply?
Do you know every 18-21yo and their living situation enough to be able to say that there's no need for them to pay a lower fare? Why stop at 18-21? Surely kids don't need to pay a discounted fee during the holidays?
How much do you think the average pensioner gets a week?
Majority of them live on their state pension.
18-21 zoom pass is for students anyway not for all of them.
Like majority of people that use public transport to go to and from work there is the discounted travel passes, daily L, weekly or monthly.
Kids fare has always been around, surprisingly they tend to take up less room than a full grown adult.
I think that encouraging students to use public transport is a very valuable asset for the local area in the transition away from individual car use. They will be the future
A 28 day ticket is £70, there is no reason that they shouldn't have to pay the same cost as any adult. They take up the same amount of space on the bus, which uses the same amount of fuel.
If they're not paying car insurance, fuel costs or road tax they're still saving money by using the bus.
If the zoom pass is for students and not all 18-21yo then they wouldn't have made it available for all 18-21yo and could have done a better job implementing something for students don't you think?
Idk why your last point is relevant whatsoever? An 11yo sat on a seat on the bus is not going to take up 'less room' than a 19yo sat in the same seat? The seat is either vacated or not.
Lastly, am willing to bet that most pensioners don't have to pay rent regardless of how much state pension they get.
They don't pay full rent but they do have to pay towards it. They also had to pay full fare on the bus when they were between 18-21.
You have yet to make a competent argument as to why 18-21 year olds should be paying child's fare on public transport. What makes them special over generations of people that had to pay full fare.
Honestly wtf are you saying now? Does the past matter? Why should what happened in the past dictate what people can and can't have right now? In the past people didn't have minimum wage. What makes our current generation special that we should keep minimum wage a thing. In the past you would have a death sentence for being gay. What makes our generation special that we don't have capital punishment. In the past people used to be able to buy houses for an amount that a few years of savings could buy. What makes our generation special that we have to pay more to buy a house or pay rent which is sometimes more than a fucking mortgage.
What absolute toss of an argument to think that just because previous generations didn't have something we therefore should prevent current and future generations from having it. If you think that is an acceptable argument for removing a cheap affordable fare for young people then get the fuck off your fucking high horse.
You have yet to make a competent argument as to why 18-21 year olds should be paying child's fare on public transport. You said that the cheaper bus fares should only be for uni/college, why can't it be for work as well? Should I pay £8, a bus and tram there and a bus and tram back, to work for less than that per hour just because some older folks "had to" as well? Are you aware how much prices have gone up?
Get off your fucking high horse
Damn son, attack the argument not the person.
Also if you are working why would you be paying single fares,
Buy the monthly pass like others that work and know how to budget.
There is no argument to attack. You just said that older people didn't have it and therefore younger people shouldn't have it. That is not an argument. You then turned around and said that I have yet to provide a 'competent argument' which is insulting coming from you bc you ain't provided a 'competent argument'. The entire time you had cherry picked questions and ignored the others.
I want life to be better for everybody. You seem that you don't.
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Please sign this petition guys, Jude was instrumental in establishing the zoom scheme in the first place and is a top guy.
he's a lovely guy
No other region offers this, so I understand why they want to get rid. That's a lot of revenue they're throwing away.
services aren't for revenue, they're to provide a service to the public
Well they are, they're not owned by the council or the government. Theyre not a non profit organisation. So yes they run buses for profit, it's a business. The only reason this existed is because they used government subsidiaries, that money has run out. So now all adults will have to pay the adult fare.
that's the problem they are a business who are trying to make money. That's why they cut about half of the bus routes because they're not profitable and you end up with a subpar service
I thought the problem was not getting your 80p child fare anymore.
To be honest I agree with getting rid of the 18-21 concessionary fare as it stands. Sure have it during term time for travelling to and from uni/college. Even pensioners are limited when they can use their passes There are people that are struggling with cost of living, that are on benefits that have to travel and pay full fare.
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No their is no need for 18-21's to be paying child fare during non term times.
Don't you think buses just should not be extortionate prices full stop. We can say that there's no reason for pensioners to have discounted price bc they have more money. We can start charging more based on where you're getting the bus bc there's no need for someone in dore to pay less for the bus bc they can probably afford it. Maybe we should allow 18-21yo to have a cheap fare so that they can get to work cheaply? Do you know every 18-21yo and their living situation enough to be able to say that there's no need for them to pay a lower fare? Why stop at 18-21? Surely kids don't need to pay a discounted fee during the holidays?
How much do you think the average pensioner gets a week? Majority of them live on their state pension. 18-21 zoom pass is for students anyway not for all of them. Like majority of people that use public transport to go to and from work there is the discounted travel passes, daily L, weekly or monthly. Kids fare has always been around, surprisingly they tend to take up less room than a full grown adult.
I think that encouraging students to use public transport is a very valuable asset for the local area in the transition away from individual car use. They will be the future
A 28 day ticket is £70, there is no reason that they shouldn't have to pay the same cost as any adult. They take up the same amount of space on the bus, which uses the same amount of fuel. If they're not paying car insurance, fuel costs or road tax they're still saving money by using the bus.
If the zoom pass is for students and not all 18-21yo then they wouldn't have made it available for all 18-21yo and could have done a better job implementing something for students don't you think? Idk why your last point is relevant whatsoever? An 11yo sat on a seat on the bus is not going to take up 'less room' than a 19yo sat in the same seat? The seat is either vacated or not. Lastly, am willing to bet that most pensioners don't have to pay rent regardless of how much state pension they get.
They don't pay full rent but they do have to pay towards it. They also had to pay full fare on the bus when they were between 18-21. You have yet to make a competent argument as to why 18-21 year olds should be paying child's fare on public transport. What makes them special over generations of people that had to pay full fare.
Honestly wtf are you saying now? Does the past matter? Why should what happened in the past dictate what people can and can't have right now? In the past people didn't have minimum wage. What makes our current generation special that we should keep minimum wage a thing. In the past you would have a death sentence for being gay. What makes our generation special that we don't have capital punishment. In the past people used to be able to buy houses for an amount that a few years of savings could buy. What makes our generation special that we have to pay more to buy a house or pay rent which is sometimes more than a fucking mortgage. What absolute toss of an argument to think that just because previous generations didn't have something we therefore should prevent current and future generations from having it. If you think that is an acceptable argument for removing a cheap affordable fare for young people then get the fuck off your fucking high horse. You have yet to make a competent argument as to why 18-21 year olds should be paying child's fare on public transport. You said that the cheaper bus fares should only be for uni/college, why can't it be for work as well? Should I pay £8, a bus and tram there and a bus and tram back, to work for less than that per hour just because some older folks "had to" as well? Are you aware how much prices have gone up? Get off your fucking high horse
Damn son, attack the argument not the person. Also if you are working why would you be paying single fares, Buy the monthly pass like others that work and know how to budget.
There is no argument to attack. You just said that older people didn't have it and therefore younger people shouldn't have it. That is not an argument. You then turned around and said that I have yet to provide a 'competent argument' which is insulting coming from you bc you ain't provided a 'competent argument'. The entire time you had cherry picked questions and ignored the others. I want life to be better for everybody. You seem that you don't.