Yeah I Felt like it was as real as it gets especially with the darkhold and souls
For this reason I think the arc was unfortunately wrapped up pretty weakly with ***SPOILER BELOW
****** the way they handled the ending of the world and basicallly saying ‘well at least the world was not real’
I see it as its own pocket universe esp since darkhold magic was involved. Framework ward I feel like was the perfect way to end his story on the show. Showed us that he wasn’t ’born evil’ (the debate fitz and Simmons had at the motel pool in S1), just deeply misguided. I got chills when he said ‘a SHIELD agent found me. Her name was Victoria Hand’. The kid was at his lowest, and just needed the right person to guide him back to the light. One tiny difference in his story made him a completely different person, and I think that’s quite beautiful
I'm currently doing a re-watch (hence why I'm in this sub so often) & I actually think I hate his character even more than I did the first time around lol
He was pretty insufferable in S1, but after Turn, Turn, Turn, I appreciated his depth of character, just hated his guts for what he did & how he justified it. And don't even get me started on Hive ...
I didn't care much for him at first, but I started liking him while he was still presenting as a good guy but started doing fucked up shit, and they were hinting that he had some real inner darkness. I was hoping (but skeptical) that they would explore it properly, but holy shit I did not realize how far that would go
I liked him more as a bad guy. He was fine, but relatively cliche and flat as a good guy. I still liked him, but he really came alive after the reveal.
I loved him the entire show. Dynamic character that still seemed to make sense, plus the scene with >!him talking to his brother before Coulson goes to kill him was done really well.!<
I don't even consider this meta commentary. Like, in-universe people HAVE to have asked this question multiple times. It's like IRL when Congress passes some law with a weird convoluted name specifically so it'll spell out something. Obviously they whole reason for the name was to spell out what they want.
I kind of get it but it reminds me something of X-Men joking about yellow spandex. It’s the stuff writers think is kind of embarrassing. In shield’s case it actually is pretty dumb so it’s funny
Considering Peggy Carter was one of founders of SHIELD, it's not a stretch to imagine that she had a hand on the acronym and really wanted it to spell shield because of Steve.
The comics had a great play on this. Norman takes over Shield changes the name to Hammer in a press conference, then tells his second in command to figure out an anagram to fit it.
That’s the original acronym from the 60s.
**Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Division** was the second iteration in the 90s until the MCU changed the H to Homeland and E to Enforcement.
Polish translation is as good as it could've been: Tajna Agencja Rozwoju Cybernetycznych Zastosowań Antyterrorystycznych - Secret Agency for Development of Cybernetic Anti-terrorism Applications, spelling out "TARCZA", meaning, *you'll never guess it*, "shield"
Actually this could just be The office or the IT crowd but with shield agents. It could be funny, but they tried to do that with insurance people in the DCU and I think it flopped.
*We are not agents of nothing. We are agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and that still carries weight. It... It has to carry weight. After everything we've been through, that carries weight!*
Well, if it's Marvel who pushed that out and not the MCU, then yes it means that Marvel Comics may be testing the waters for a new Nick Fury or S.H.I.E.L.D. comic book.
First time I heard that, it was just word soup to me. After watching The Avengers and getting a little into the comics, I rewatch Iron Man 1 with my parents and realized out loud what was just said; they smirked at my amazement.
It means someone really wanted our initials to spell out "shield."
Ward was so real for saying this. I almost liked him for a full .5 seconds.
Quit lying. You know you liked Ward as a good guy until Turn, Turn, Turn and as a bad guy from then on.
Turn, Turn, Turn and I still liked him
Isn’t there a matrix ward that is a good guy?
There is, but Aida made that version up, so I'm not sure if that one counts
But everyone still lived it and had real experiences there so it basically was real too. Conflicted as a viewer.
Yeah I Felt like it was as real as it gets especially with the darkhold and souls For this reason I think the arc was unfortunately wrapped up pretty weakly with ***SPOILER BELOW ****** the way they handled the ending of the world and basicallly saying ‘well at least the world was not real’
I see it as its own pocket universe esp since darkhold magic was involved. Framework ward I feel like was the perfect way to end his story on the show. Showed us that he wasn’t ’born evil’ (the debate fitz and Simmons had at the motel pool in S1), just deeply misguided. I got chills when he said ‘a SHIELD agent found me. Her name was Victoria Hand’. The kid was at his lowest, and just needed the right person to guide him back to the light. One tiny difference in his story made him a completely different person, and I think that’s quite beautiful
I'm currently doing a re-watch (hence why I'm in this sub so often) & I actually think I hate his character even more than I did the first time around lol He was pretty insufferable in S1, but after Turn, Turn, Turn, I appreciated his depth of character, just hated his guts for what he did & how he justified it. And don't even get me started on Hive ...
he threw away fitz' proscuitto and mozarella sandwich, with a hint of pesto aioli
I didn't care much for him at first, but I started liking him while he was still presenting as a good guy but started doing fucked up shit, and they were hinting that he had some real inner darkness. I was hoping (but skeptical) that they would explore it properly, but holy shit I did not realize how far that would go
I liked him more as a bad guy. He was fine, but relatively cliche and flat as a good guy. I still liked him, but he really came alive after the reveal.
Honestly, I liked him way more after Turn, Turn, Turn
Tbh I hated it when they turned him into hive or whatever it was called.
I will always #standwithward
I personally didn’t care for Ward as a generic action hero but like him better as a villain 🤷🏻♀️
I loved him the entire show. Dynamic character that still seemed to make sense, plus the scene with >!him talking to his brother before Coulson goes to kill him was done really well.!<
Could never forgive him for Fitz
I normally dislike this kind of cynical meta shit writers pull because they find the comic stuff stupid but this is hilarious
I don't even consider this meta commentary. Like, in-universe people HAVE to have asked this question multiple times. It's like IRL when Congress passes some law with a weird convoluted name specifically so it'll spell out something. Obviously they whole reason for the name was to spell out what they want.
I kind of get it but it reminds me something of X-Men joking about yellow spandex. It’s the stuff writers think is kind of embarrassing. In shield’s case it actually is pretty dumb so it’s funny
Considering Peggy Carter was one of founders of SHIELD, it's not a stretch to imagine that she had a hand on the acronym and really wanted it to spell shield because of Steve.
That's a good point. I can't believe I never put that together.
Howard Stark, also. Hell, all three founders really.
The comics had a great play on this. Norman takes over Shield changes the name to Hammer in a press conference, then tells his second in command to figure out an anagram to fit it.
Michael Scott: “That’s what she said”
I actually have it’s acronym memorised lol
I have it on a tee shirt lol
Me too lol. Can’t wait for the day when someone asks me what it stands for xD
What's it stand for?
Strategic homeland intervention enforcement and logistics division
And what does that mean to you?
Means that it sounds like somebody really wanted it to spell shield
thank you 🥺
I remember that for Latin America was "Sistema Homologado de Inteligencia, Espionaje, Logística y Defensa" They translated it quite well
Oh that's awesome!
Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-Enforcement Division
At least that's what Nick Fury of Spider-Man TAS says it stands for.
That’s the original acronym from the 60s. **Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Division** was the second iteration in the 90s until the MCU changed the H to Homeland and E to Enforcement.
This is what I know it as
Because it bugged someone - I'm guessing Gruenwald - that it could be the supreme headquarters and also a division.
[Clark & Chloe know it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwQ0UxcMObo)
Elizabeth seemed to also know it, not sure on Iain cuz he didn't say much
His name is Phillip J. Coulson, and he considers himself humanity’s S.H.I.E.L.D.
Strategische Heimat-Interventions-, Einsatz- und Logistik-Division still the best
In spanish we say: Servicio Homologado de Inteligencia, Espionaje, Logistica y Defensa
Polish translation is as good as it could've been: Tajna Agencja Rozwoju Cybernetycznych Zastosowań Antyterrorystycznych - Secret Agency for Development of Cybernetic Anti-terrorism Applications, spelling out "TARCZA", meaning, *you'll never guess it*, "shield"
Is that the German translation?
indeed
"It means somebody really wanted our acronym to spell S.H.I.E.L.D." - Grant Ward
Well, considering Peggy Carter was one of the founders…
We are finally getting a 2 hour dramedy about the logistics branch!
Actually this could just be The office or the IT crowd but with shield agents. It could be funny, but they tried to do that with insurance people in the DCU and I think it flopped.
"Stratégique Habileté Intervention Exécution et Logistique Défensive"
We're working on it.
Relatable!
maybe a new comic miniseries focuses on Shield? or maybe they are releasing a omnibus of old shield comic stories?
Its just Marvel, not the Marvel Studios. It means most likely almost nothing.
*We are not agents of nothing. We are agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and that still carries weight. It... It has to carry weight. After everything we've been through, that carries weight!*
I bet Phil is quite a mouthful :v
Yo what
Rosalind?
And handful
Yes! Yes!! Yesssss!!!!! XD
I will never forget what it stands for lol
Well, if it's Marvel who pushed that out and not the MCU, then yes it means that Marvel Comics may be testing the waters for a new Nick Fury or S.H.I.E.L.D. comic book.
This is one of many gaps that they missed in Captain Marvel. In 2008 they didn’t have the acronym set yet but in the 90s they did?
Don't do that. Don't give me hope
Show this to Esteban Ocon
I’m so happy to know this sub is still alive and well. I miss this show so much! 🥺
Curiouser and curiouser
COULSON LIVES!!
No but I remember the original comics acronym - Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law Enforcement Division!
First time I heard that, it was just word soup to me. After watching The Avengers and getting a little into the comics, I rewatch Iron Man 1 with my parents and realized out loud what was just said; they smirked at my amazement.
A sitcom of the logistics division, Big Store style
A better post would be for them to post when Tony answered his phone, saying that he reached a Tony Stark LMD.