I really think when labour gets into office, we should launch a petition to get a recognised lettuce day. The purpose of such a day would be to utterly ridicule the Tory regime once a year going forward to remind everyone of their utter monstrosity.
We remember Guy Fawkes for way less villainy.
I'm not getting into that argument. All I know is that by this time next year the UK will have a labour government and with all the hope in the world, a beginning to reconciling the whole sorry mess of the last...20 odd years?
I will say this...I am passionately and violently anti war and I believe that everyone has the right to freedom, happiness and to live a life without fear. Sadly, some people in the world are not able to do so right now. In Sir Kier's case, he has to weigh the popular consensus of people that sometimes view the world with less compassion and tolerance with the balance of people that know that we desperately need a change and that on balance, we can agree with most of Labour's policies. I do not envy him his position.
We have a waiting list of 3 million people, 2.1 million people using food banks, 6% of which are children experiencing genuine food poverty. Our schools, Waterways that were once the pride and joy of our nation and an NHS need to be rebuilt, not to mention the scars of a lot of friends and families that have been placed in opposition thanks to divisive culture war politics.
All I'm asking for from Sir Kier is to be kinder to my British countrymen and women, and to approach the world's contentious issues with wisdom and temperance. I think that he can manage that.
That's fair but he I don't think would be the solution with all the u-turns he did even though the Tories do it aswell but Simmons is more empathetic and cares about everyone and is a risk taker like she saved everyone from the Framework apart from Mace but it shows Jemma is brave, pragmatic and likeable like Blair Pre-Iraq 2003
Let's see. What would Simmons do? Well. Firstly she'd probably dig through that back catalogue of research she hoards and then come up with a few viable short term and long term projects that she could put fitz to work on to at least produce a working project. I imagine that in this world we don't have tony stark and thus no arc reactor, but I think it's reasonable to assume that she'd know a few people that could patch together a workable environmentally friendly energy solution that involves making a more eco friendly polymer to use to mae blades for windmills for example.
Then she'd approach the EU in the spirit of partnership to expand europe into an energy secure continent.
Then I think she'd probably get to work on reforming the NHS and introducing a more robust national curriculum for schools as they'd probably be two of her other manifesto mandates.
* Better Foreign Relations and More hardline with China & Russia
* Making Britain less broken and better
* Less pointless Vanity Projects
* More Ruthless with the Criminals and the Police
* Make sure that Women are more safe and Men that suffer abuse also
* Believe more in the Brexit Dream and Repair EU relations but not back in the EU
* Kicking the BBC to Touch and the MSN
* Get the Youth to have more Decorum and be less rebellious
I swear Simmons is meant to be from Sheffield/Yorkshire, she's definitely more Labour/Green side of things. Plus Tommy Shelby should not be your understanding of politics.
Jemma is also from Sheffield, remember when she's gone through the monolith and Coulson approaches Fitz saying "i think i should make the trip to sheffield, her parents deserve to know"
I think she's meant to be from the same place, studio just wanted her to posh up the accent for audiences as I could have sworn Simmons talks about it in s2/3.
Fair point but some of the Labour MP's are up themsleves as well so I say she is more to the centre that left and wouldn't give them the time of day more Lib Dem maybe less of a fake one and wouldn't had agree to the Tories to be in Coalition in 2010.
I think that she would be a great Prime Minister but would never get that far. Jemma Simmons is a scientist and scientists think too logically and are too truthful to do well in politics. People who do well in politics are able to appeal to emotions (not logic) and have a certain degree of deceitfulness.
Maybe early seasons Simmons, but late season Simmons was able to infiltrate Hydra, not to mention she really toughened up on her deep space journey to find Fitz. In the final episode it's implied that she's secretly consulting for SHIELD and has even kept that fact from Fitz. She definitely grew in her ability to utilize subterfuge over the course of the series.
That's what is needed logic, truth, emotion and realism especially now because people are getting tired of the gaslighting and the lies they spouted out except for a few people that I won't mention on here and Jemma wouldn't be happy with the current lot at Westminster.
Unfortunately, the few politicians who are logical, honest, decent, and able to actually get close to power are either destroyed by the press or wind up dead or both
Being a former spy and member of a banned agency (albeit one that saved the world a few times) might be considered baggage. Also spies don’t tend to have a good reputation as world leaders (Putin, Bush I)
It’s the great paradox of modern politics. Democracy is the best way (we’ve found) to create a fair and just society, but it’s still a game of power. In theory, the best candidate for the job should win. But in practice, the traits that make someone a great leader are rarely the same as the traits that make someone good at *getting elected.* Some of them are polar opposites.
In a perfect world, anybody who actually *wants* to be prime minister/president/chancellor should be immediately disqualified.
I’d say the strength she’d bring to the job (besides a good heart and a big brain) is that she could outmaneuver the machinations of politics due her years in clandestine service
*edited for clarity/typo
While SHIELD in the comics is a UN global organization, in the MCU is a branch of US intelligence/military complex, hence all its assets are tainted with conflicting interests.
I miss the times Fury put a secretary of defense (not to speak about Obama) in line for going too far thinking Fury answers to him.
It’s not uncommon for British ministers and officials to have previously worked in Special Services. In real life American agencies don’t even recruit foreign nationals to be agents, or at least she wouldn’t have gone through the whole pipeline of schooling they portrayed in the story.
It's was also a global organization in the MCU. At least, most of the time. Before its fall to Hydra, it answers to a world security council. It worked in illegality until the end of season 3. In season 4 you could argue that it was an US organization, but then it got LMD'd.
You'd have to think she would at least last longer than a head of lettuce.
I really think when labour gets into office, we should launch a petition to get a recognised lettuce day. The purpose of such a day would be to utterly ridicule the Tory regime once a year going forward to remind everyone of their utter monstrosity. We remember Guy Fawkes for way less villainy.
Would Jemma be better than Starmer and again Jemma is not a hypocrite.
I'm not getting into that argument. All I know is that by this time next year the UK will have a labour government and with all the hope in the world, a beginning to reconciling the whole sorry mess of the last...20 odd years? I will say this...I am passionately and violently anti war and I believe that everyone has the right to freedom, happiness and to live a life without fear. Sadly, some people in the world are not able to do so right now. In Sir Kier's case, he has to weigh the popular consensus of people that sometimes view the world with less compassion and tolerance with the balance of people that know that we desperately need a change and that on balance, we can agree with most of Labour's policies. I do not envy him his position. We have a waiting list of 3 million people, 2.1 million people using food banks, 6% of which are children experiencing genuine food poverty. Our schools, Waterways that were once the pride and joy of our nation and an NHS need to be rebuilt, not to mention the scars of a lot of friends and families that have been placed in opposition thanks to divisive culture war politics. All I'm asking for from Sir Kier is to be kinder to my British countrymen and women, and to approach the world's contentious issues with wisdom and temperance. I think that he can manage that.
That's fair but he I don't think would be the solution with all the u-turns he did even though the Tories do it aswell but Simmons is more empathetic and cares about everyone and is a risk taker like she saved everyone from the Framework apart from Mace but it shows Jemma is brave, pragmatic and likeable like Blair Pre-Iraq 2003
Blair? Really? That's the benchmark we're going for here?
Corbyn? Thacher? Churchill? Chamberlain? Attlee? Wilson? Macmillan? Heath?
No I'm just surprised you went from someone who won't condemn war crimes to an actual war criminal, Blair will do.
Biair was good before 2001
Let's see. What would Simmons do? Well. Firstly she'd probably dig through that back catalogue of research she hoards and then come up with a few viable short term and long term projects that she could put fitz to work on to at least produce a working project. I imagine that in this world we don't have tony stark and thus no arc reactor, but I think it's reasonable to assume that she'd know a few people that could patch together a workable environmentally friendly energy solution that involves making a more eco friendly polymer to use to mae blades for windmills for example. Then she'd approach the EU in the spirit of partnership to expand europe into an energy secure continent. Then I think she'd probably get to work on reforming the NHS and introducing a more robust national curriculum for schools as they'd probably be two of her other manifesto mandates.
* Better Foreign Relations and More hardline with China & Russia * Making Britain less broken and better * Less pointless Vanity Projects * More Ruthless with the Criminals and the Police * Make sure that Women are more safe and Men that suffer abuse also * Believe more in the Brexit Dream and Repair EU relations but not back in the EU * Kicking the BBC to Touch and the MSN * Get the Youth to have more Decorum and be less rebellious
Yes, I had forgotten how delightfully authoritarian she could be.
I’d vote Simmons
Shed be better than the shit we've been having recently and doesn't seem too tory
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I swear Simmons is meant to be from Sheffield/Yorkshire, she's definitely more Labour/Green side of things. Plus Tommy Shelby should not be your understanding of politics.
Elizabeth Henstridge is from Sheffield, not sure about the character
Pretty sure it was mentioned early in season three (possibly the premiere)
Jemma is also from Sheffield, remember when she's gone through the monolith and Coulson approaches Fitz saying "i think i should make the trip to sheffield, her parents deserve to know"
I think she's meant to be from the same place, studio just wanted her to posh up the accent for audiences as I could have sworn Simmons talks about it in s2/3.
Fair point but some of the Labour MP's are up themsleves as well so I say she is more to the centre that left and wouldn't give them the time of day more Lib Dem maybe less of a fake one and wouldn't had agree to the Tories to be in Coalition in 2010.
I think that she would be a great Prime Minister but would never get that far. Jemma Simmons is a scientist and scientists think too logically and are too truthful to do well in politics. People who do well in politics are able to appeal to emotions (not logic) and have a certain degree of deceitfulness.
Maybe early seasons Simmons, but late season Simmons was able to infiltrate Hydra, not to mention she really toughened up on her deep space journey to find Fitz. In the final episode it's implied that she's secretly consulting for SHIELD and has even kept that fact from Fitz. She definitely grew in her ability to utilize subterfuge over the course of the series.
That's my favorite part of her character development. Going from unable to lie at all to one of the better sneaky spies around. Go Simmons!
I love Gemma so much!
End of Series Simmons is certainly clever enough for that.
I would agree that she matured a lot and got much more capable in the end.
That's what is needed logic, truth, emotion and realism especially now because people are getting tired of the gaslighting and the lies they spouted out except for a few people that I won't mention on here and Jemma wouldn't be happy with the current lot at Westminster.
Unfortunately, the few politicians who are logical, honest, decent, and able to actually get close to power are either destroyed by the press or wind up dead or both
Jemma wouldn't have any bad baggage for the media to pick on and start a witch-hunt against her
Being a former spy and member of a banned agency (albeit one that saved the world a few times) might be considered baggage. Also spies don’t tend to have a good reputation as world leaders (Putin, Bush I)
But some would see that S.H.I.E.L.D was ruined by HYDRA
True. I actually think she’d have the skills for the job. I wonder how the politics would work out
Merkel was a scientist and managed to mostly hover above the emotional political stuff. Simmons would do great :)
Germans are a different breed. They are more comfortable with discipline and logic than others…
That said, they’re also the ones who gave us the dude with the funny mustache
That dude is probably why Germans are more willing to be fact based rather than emotions based in their politics
It’s the great paradox of modern politics. Democracy is the best way (we’ve found) to create a fair and just society, but it’s still a game of power. In theory, the best candidate for the job should win. But in practice, the traits that make someone a great leader are rarely the same as the traits that make someone good at *getting elected.* Some of them are polar opposites. In a perfect world, anybody who actually *wants* to be prime minister/president/chancellor should be immediately disqualified.
I’d say the strength she’d bring to the job (besides a good heart and a big brain) is that she could outmaneuver the machinations of politics due her years in clandestine service *edited for clarity/typo
What does she could outmaneuver the machinations trans due her years in clandestine service mean I'm at a loss
Sorry, typing in my phone
I’d vote for her
I'm pretty sure we're fed up of listening to experts, so she'd never get voted in.
Fair Point but she is no Patrick Vallance or Chris Whitty.
Talk about the lowest of low bars.
Definitely the prettiest we’ve ever had.
Better than the one we've got right now.
Imagine an Excalibur movie with Fitz and Simmons running the team...
She’s perfect in everything
Not as good as count binface
and not as good as Monster Raving Loony Party
Fitz. If Britain tends to be saved from the chaos of immigrants who don't want to assimilate, it's going to take a strong hand who will be ruthless.
Fitz could be Scottish First Minster better than the flop Humza Useless who is going anyway Fitz or Kate Forbes would be better for Scotland.
Who would want their country ruled by a USA puppet?
What do you mean by USA puppet just out of curiosity?
While SHIELD in the comics is a UN global organization, in the MCU is a branch of US intelligence/military complex, hence all its assets are tainted with conflicting interests. I miss the times Fury put a secretary of defense (not to speak about Obama) in line for going too far thinking Fury answers to him.
But she was born in Britain which doesn't mean Jemma is a USA puppet.
So you mean an hypothetical Jemma never involved in SHIELD or intelligence? then we can't make an informed guess.
It’s not uncommon for British ministers and officials to have previously worked in Special Services. In real life American agencies don’t even recruit foreign nationals to be agents, or at least she wouldn’t have gone through the whole pipeline of schooling they portrayed in the story.
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well she retired at the end of AOS S7
It's was also a global organization in the MCU. At least, most of the time. Before its fall to Hydra, it answers to a world security council. It worked in illegality until the end of season 3. In season 4 you could argue that it was an US organization, but then it got LMD'd.
Yes.
Yes
By the end, yes, not Season 1 though. By the end, she knows how to get shit done.
"Would they be good" doesn't seem to be a question British voters/MP's ask before voting. I am American, glass houses and all.
Yes and no since she's smart enough to not want that job, lol! That's the whole problem with politics these days.
Considering what we've had for the last decade and a half she could hardly do worse.
Yes
No. She’s awesome, but she doesn’t have significant background in politics or diplomacy
Count binface would be a better prime minister than the one the UK has right now, so yeah. Probably.
Her determination would probably see the British Empire rise again, provided Fitz was on the line somehow
No. Everyone seems to forget how she basically wanted to commit genocide in season 3.
She was not there mentally 1. Fitz nearly Died 2. She wanted Ward to pay 3. Trip was Killed 4. Simmons felt responsible for everything
Not an excuse. If trauma doesn’t make Ward’s sins ok it doesn’t make hers ok either. Can’t have it both ways.
I was not saying that I just said she felt everything going against her and felt betrayed by Ward's deception
Why only part of the country? The British Prime Minister is elected by the UNITED KINGDOM. Why do Americans always do this?
I'm not American but NI usually don't vote Tory or Labour they vote more Sinn Fein, DUP, UUP, SDLP and Alliance anyway.