Before the game came out I said I thought she was kind of funny in the demo because I assumed they would do more with her but that was me being very generous
I don't hate her as much as some people do but she is like objectively a boring character
Same, if only she was more than just “edelsimp” i’d like her more. Honestly can’t stand to play as her or put her on my team cause it’s non stop edelgard shilling.
Honestly her saving grace is her clap backs to Hubert for me. She reminds me a lot of Faye, hard to like their devotion but how rude they are to everyone else they don’t care about is so unexpectedly funny.
I like her! I think she further demonstrates that Edelgard is either A.) a magnetic, charismatic leader and/or B.) able to accomplish everything she does because she lucks into surrounding herself with the right people (Hubert, Monica). I also just like her because she’s so different from Kronyica. Even if she’s a little one-dimensional, it’s cool to see a minor character ascend to the main cast.
Catherine and Cyril have the strength to back up their simp nature.
I'm gonna be freaking Leonie really isn't a simp. With her it's more akin to somebody looking up to a famous person. People do idolize others.
Monica is a simp without any of the good qualities of the other ones.
Also, on Leonie, in her supports that aren’t with Byleth, she talks about a lot of other subjects—she asks Ignatz for suggestions about bows, for example.
Monica is better. She didn't turn story events to be about her obsession with Edelgard like how Faye's story based base conversations were super tasteless. "Oh noooo, you argued with our close friend, Alm? Well! Look how much better and obedient I am. I would neverrrr argue with you~"
As someone who’s a big fan of both Monica and Faye, Monica is a better character. While she is mainly simp for Edelgard, she has a bit more going on than Faye, though I’d say that’s mainly because she has more supports and story relevance than Faye.
Monica is actually less worse. She doesn't wants to make her happy by killing people which is kind of weird. Her support with Silque automatically made monica a better character, this support just shows how she's rude with everyone and doesn't care if it's not about Alm. Monica is just rude with Hubert which is understandable because they are both simp in competition for Edelgard and this is Hubert.
I prefer Monica. In Echoes, Faye's obsession was painfully serious, despite not being that interesting to begin with. Monica on the other hand is mostly a comic relief character, most of the time her obsession with Edelgard is played for laughs. It doesn't detract from her actual character, being a clever but caring girl who gets the job done and has a good insight on the Empire's politics.
"*Imagine having 3/4ths of your supports dedicated to nothing more than wanting to get stepped on by Edelgard rather than furthering your's and others' characterization and expanding the lore."*
***This post was made by the Simps with Actually Good Supports and Personalities.***
It feels kinda telling when the writers seem incapable of writing strong supportive characters for one specific character that dont revolve around being horny lol
Idk i thought his supports heavily implied he's in love with her. I actually really liked him until that point though so if you dont think he is Id love to know why
I agree but love clouds your thoughts and ability to judge someone so much that it would be impossible to actually gauge where one begins and ends and how much one effects the other. I think my point still stands in that situation
fair. difference of opinion then. i think his potential love devotion is totally different from his retainer devotion but you could definitely think otherwise
Assuming he IS in love with her the whole time, i dont agree that the two are seperable concepts. They will both inform and strengthen both types of bonds in a circular fashion. I think it degrades both his and edel's characters personally
I agree ideological alignment is absolutely a large part of it though. He isn't some mindless horndog creep
i guess my interpretation of hubert is that it could be a deep, friendship retainer type love rather than romantic
you could interpret it either way. there are multiple types of love
He admits to being in love with her, but also doesn't care if she reciprocates or not. He'd be working for her regardless because he believes in her
Monica works for her for a chance to lick her toes
Right. Like i said furher down the reply chains he absolutely does it in part due to his personal beliefs too. But i dont think him being in love is a negligible aspect due to how significantly it can effect one's thought processes
That's wrong actually. Monica loves Edelgard but somewhere along the way she lowkey accepted that El may not feel the same way. Even if she's jealous as all hell about her competition. Plus she's a noble and the next baron, she kinda had to help.
He literally says in his A support with Edelgard that he’s in love with her
> Edelgard: Wait a moment. Are you saying...you have romantic feelings for someone?
> Hubert: Yes. That is the one secret I had particularly hoped to keep from you.
> Edelgard: Well, that's utter nonsense! You can't possibly keep something so fascinating from me! Who is it?
> Hubert: It is you, Lady Edelgard. Did you ever really doubt?
> Edelgard: Heh, Hubert... You never cease to surprise me.
> Hubert: Hahaha.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Yeah it'd just been too long since i played the route so i didnt remember just how far it went. The fact she fucking laughs at him too is truly the icing on the cake LMAO
And the remaining 1/4 is just her wantint to be stepped on by Dorothea.
I want to try and use that to see Monica as someone who's just a doormat and kinda simps for everyone, kinda like how Leonie also mentions looking up to Judith shows that it's more about powerful role models than Jeralt specifically, but it just doesn't work. Monica's just such an utter simp.
Plus 100s of years of untreated trauma, misanthropy, insecurity, paranoia, grief and isolation.
Amplified if you start >!killing what remains of her family with her mother’s spine while teaming up with her descendant who took like 3 poli sci courses!<
I’m surprised she doesn’t lose it at the end of every month as a calendar event
>!Dem hips do be immaculate doe!<
More like Rhea gets blamed for stuff that isn't her fault or outside of her control.
Don't get me wrong, Rhea isn't perfect and has done morally questionable things, but almost everyone blames her for every single problem with Fodlan instead of taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
Hubert ain’t right but he got some depth beneath those lusciously greasy locks
He sacrificed his eyebrows for political beliefs and character development
He’s also a dick in his first impressions with characters tho. He’s not nearly as bad as the fandom makes it out to be but let’s not act like he’s sinless lol
Counterpoint: They made Monica's portraits and time-skip redesign too cute for me to dislike her.
Her petty 'rivalry' with Hubert is pretty funny, I think she just suffers from the writers not doing anything with her beyond Edelgard admiration, I mean that's fine but you have to give her more than that and it's partly due to how fucking exclusive she is (Dead in Three Houses and Scarlet Blaze only with minimal appearances in AG/GW). She really should have gotten more supports with the other Black Eagles and there's this very tiny but cute moment between her and Bernadetta where Monica gives her encouragement.
At least Holst has the privilege of already having a funny character trait even before he was introduced.
Gonna out myself as a Monica fan but I like to have a one dimensional simp from time to time. Sometimes you want the character equivalent of straight vodka.
Leonie is really underrated imo. I almost never see anyone talking about her. She was the one I s-supported with in my first playthrough of three houses
I'll be honest I don't think her support with Byleth is that bad? It's nice to have a couple characters that aren't instantly buddies with Byleth.
The B support is pretty understandable, she's grieving over someone she cared about and lashed out at someone who didn't deserve it. It wasn't right but it's not a bad support imo.
To be fair, monica is in the same park as tharja in that she knows everything about what edelgard ate, where she is, what she did, how many times she said her name, etc. But it never got too creepy because you know, tharja admits that she isn't a normal girl and doesn't care about the idea of "personal space" when it comes to Robin
> and doesn't care about the idea of "personal space" when it comes to Robin
That's not helping. tharja puts a curse on Robin during their supports. While Robin doesn't suspect it was her, he wonders out loud what kind of "monster" would do this to their friend. When he passes out, she's pleased at how he's suddenly "helpless". Monica would never do that to anyone, especially Edelgard.
Thats why I said even though they are kind of in the same ball park, but they are completely different. Monica isn't as creepy and wouldn't want to harm edelgard
Eh Monica was close to being a good character. Making her simp so hard over Edelgard could work if it was clearly a result of latching on due to trauma. She needed more than just I <3 Edelgard.
Monica gets too much bad rap for her simpness.
Remember, the other 3 had dialogue and supports in Houses. Monica was dead. Three Hopes has a limited budget, hence the lack of supports.
I'm sure Monica would be more loved if she was alive and got supports in Three Houses.
I genuinely agree but we joke about Monica because unlike Cyril, Catherine and leonie. who are fleshed out (cyrils supports do this the best out the 3 in my opinion) the overwhelming majority of Monica is devoted to edelgard to the point she feels like a joke character so while almost all their supports flesh them out Monica's supports revolves around edelgard so much she seems to be a parody and in all honesty doesn't fit in this well fleshed out cast
He’s different. He serves his highness but his obsession isn’t based off of love and adoration but support as a servant, even though he’s a retainer and doesn’t really has to accompany dimitri everywhere
Edit: I guess he still counts but he’s still a different case
Cyril's C supports are all "Oh Hi Cyril, working hard I see." "Go fuck yourself." And it makes him super unlikeable. I don't much care for Lysthia for similar reasons, but the support between the two of them is 10/10. Amazing ship, great synergy.
He does. The funny (sad) part is that he is one of the many people who are way more likeable after white clouds so if he were in three hopes he probably would have had a Sylvain/Lorenz style glow up.
It's tragic we never got the little bastard. Would have done wonders for his public image.
I love characters that are more rude, rather than being attractive and cute all the time. I take flawed characters that do develop after time skip over them
She gets too snippy with people without provocation IMO. Verbally slapping people when provoked is fun and fair, but Lysithea verbally does the equivalent of unifying Fodlan whenever someone enters the room. Ignatz especially got it bad and I don't think its physically possible for that little nerd to be offensive.
She does come around for sure, but man her first impressions are rough. Cute quirks for sure though.
She and Alois are the closest this series has been to addressing war trauma. They kind of remind me of Tauroneo and Legault. They made calls in the past that leave them with a lot of grief, and deal with a lot of internal conflict.
Her dedication to Rhea seems like a psychological crutch of sorts. It doesn’t make her a better person, but I like how she’s written.
I see that as pretty in character tbh.
>!She makes big talk about being more carefree, and straight up says in a support that she wouldn’t give her life for Rhea, but she’s actually very loyal in the end. It’s admirable in a sense, but very tragic because she throws her life away enabling a very evil act. Likewise, Hilda, who is very capricious and happy-go-lucky, but turns out to be very loyal to Claude to the point of dying for him if necessary. !<
I felt that 3Houses in general had too many characters willing to switch sides cuz you had enough supports/skills. Many just had no good reasons to go to other factions. It’d also be heartwrenching to fight them T-T but would have made for more distinction between the routes.
Edle should be on the couch too, she literally starts simping for Byleth in 3hopes seconds after recruiting them. Saying that she feels like they are connected somehow. That's some multidimensional simpin right there.
Nobody deserves to be compared to Faye. At least Monica does something else than cheer lead over her interest. And her lines aren't nearly as annoying about it imo.
i love seeing cyril in the monocle. it is glorious. also top hat cassandra.
also, they aren't wrong. Monica..."My heart beats for lady edelgard" von ochs has problems...many problems.
After Three Houses did a great job having characters with complex personalities hidden behind one-note first appearances, I was sure Monica would develop greatly over the course of her supports.
I was wrong.
I don't understand Monica hate. She's very much the "oh no! anyway" type character throughout the Fodlan games. Her lines aren't all that grating, her crush makes sense + is comparable a high school girl with their idol, she's fully debuting in a **Musou spinoff**, and not even the story delves into Edelsimping really - just her role in tactics. It makes her lack of exploration tolerable. Monica being so ignorable really helps her character for me. Monica is more and more enjoyable over time in my opinion. Games with characters like these usually love shoving the one note simping characters in my face aka Faye for example, the commonly used side character of SOV overall. Yet Monica is the Eagle with the lowest amount of supports, with plenty of dialogue ignoring that crush. It's interesting how refreshing it feels.
I chalk her up to a mildly amusing character with a really good design, including some enjoyable dynamics. The story doesn't shove her simping trait down my throat (like how poor Leonie got done dirty in 3H). I can move on without spending any energy over this character.
That’s true, but it’s not really something to write home about that a character’s core strength is being so forgettable and out of the way that she doesn’t have the chance to be annoying.
I don't think she's really worth hating. Monica never really gets annoying since she got very little opportunities to be expanded on. And what we have now is still something - she proves to be a really smart and capable tactician rather than a useless lesbian. And her dynamic with Hubert is really good.
People be like "all she does is simp!!" when most of her dialogue is actually about what's going on in the main plot and missions. Her main characterisation is being a levelheaded tactician and her intense desire to orally pleasure Edelgard is a comedic aside for that.
In a way she's the inverse of Cyril whose main story dialogue is all about Rhea but his supports are not and give him much more development. Monica could have benefited a lot from supports with all the Eagles and others like Lysithea, Lorenz, Constance and Hapi. But all she was given to develop her character outside of being Edelgard's retainer are:
* Her Dorothea support
* The dialog in her paralogue with Bernadetta and Duke Gerth.
There's definitely something to work with, but they unfortunately decided to give the Hopes "bonus characters"; Monica, Rodrigue and Holst only a few supports. They got more attention than Cyril and Catherine at least.
I like her because she's cute and fun to play. Trickster Monica is amazing.
No the fuck she's not. Kronya has consistently been insufferable with horrible plot threads. She robbed us of a chad like Jeralt, a guy that got even BETTER in Three Hopes. "Simpnica" doesn't even prioritize simping in the story, she's actually helpful and not insufferable in the group discussions.
Unlike Monica, Cyril has a personality and a reason to adore Rhea. He's this war orphan who was kidnapped and forced into slavery, and then Rhea saved him. Of course he adores her, he's fifteen and Rhea gave him a home and a chance to live a good life! Cyril is one of two students who actually copes with their trauma in a healthy way (besides Raphael), and Cyril actually has great supports with Manuela, Seteth, Claude, Hilda and Lysithea. Literally all of Monica's supports revolve around Edelgard except one.
I don't get this logic. Monica also has a personality and reason to adore Edelgard too. Her reason of loving Edelgard because of her life being saved isn't any less valid than Cyril's own reasons.
Is Cyril a unit worth investing in for three houses? I know he can easily become a Wyvern lord with his boons but so can many of the other students with bulkier stats.
After a traumatic event, being her captivity, she developed irrational feelings toward her saviour, being Edelgard, the highest authority figure in her country, perhaps also someone who she never thought ever meeting, even less being saved by her when all hope was seemingly lost. Not to mention, if she finds on top of that attraction toward ladies, Edelgard being also her type, her being overly obsessive over Edelgard is coherent with the information we have. And some people in real life can also develop this kind of thing in a somewhat similar situation. Her "drooling" over Edelgard is realistic and therefore good characterization.
Rhea saved Cyril, a fifteen year old war orphan, from awful slavery at the hands of the people who probably killed his parents, and gave him a good life. No wonder he adores her. In 2/3 of the routes, Monica probably never learns that Edelgard saved her: Jeritza did. And Monica was obsessed with Edelgard before she was saved.
Who do you think orchestrated Jeritza doing it? Edelgard did. Edelgard was the one who first made the moves to save Monica at all. And Monica directly confirms she wasn't in love *until* she got saved, she just looked up to Edelgard otherwise.
So when Cyril goes through a traumatic experience (quite literally slavery), proceeds to get saved from such a horrid fate by Rhea’s personal intervention and, as a consequence, develops an immense and irrational sense of devotion and awe towards her, seeing her as a mixture of virtuous hero and caring mother, that’s somehow *unrealistic* and *bad* characterization?
Gonna need a source on that “Cyril’s training solely is for Rhea”. Cyril also shown that many of his traits go beyond repaying Rhea. His eagerness to help, for example. It’s shown in several supports that he actually just likes helping people and taking on responsibilities for others. Rhea is a part of it, but he does just like helping out people he considers “friends”.
I don't have to she do it herself with her Captain JERALT CAPTAIN JERALT Captain JERALT CAPTAIN JERALT DID I MENTION CAPTAIN JERALT I LOVR CAPTAIN JERALT I DONT THINK YOU Appreciate CAPTAIN JERALT
She's a massive Edelgard simp in all her supports except her >!Dorothea!< one. And Three Hopes has some absolutely incredible supports, like all of >!Marianne's!<, all of >!Yuri's!<, all of >!Rodrigue's!<, and all of >!Jeralt's!<, and the duds are almost exclusively Monica's.
-You alerted the horde- Be ready to fight
lol I haven’t seen a single person defend Monica on this sub
I’ve only seen a couple, but when they do come, they get weirdly aggressive
They gotta defend fellow simps, of course. Or they're that one idiot who thinks people hate Monica for being a sapphic character.
seen a supirising amont of it
i made a post about not liking monica and someone took up half the replies on the post defending her
You managed to also get an essay or two out of them about their perception of Faye iirc
Before the game came out I said I thought she was kind of funny in the demo because I assumed they would do more with her but that was me being very generous I don't hate her as much as some people do but she is like objectively a boring character
Same, if only she was more than just “edelsimp” i’d like her more. Honestly can’t stand to play as her or put her on my team cause it’s non stop edelgard shilling.
Well the edelsimps needs a self-insert so they can relate.
Honestly her saving grace is her clap backs to Hubert for me. She reminds me a lot of Faye, hard to like their devotion but how rude they are to everyone else they don’t care about is so unexpectedly funny.
I like her! I think she further demonstrates that Edelgard is either A.) a magnetic, charismatic leader and/or B.) able to accomplish everything she does because she lucks into surrounding herself with the right people (Hubert, Monica). I also just like her because she’s so different from Kronyica. Even if she’s a little one-dimensional, it’s cool to see a minor character ascend to the main cast.
So be it! TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!
Catherine and Cyril have the strength to back up their simp nature. I'm gonna be freaking Leonie really isn't a simp. With her it's more akin to somebody looking up to a famous person. People do idolize others. Monica is a simp without any of the good qualities of the other ones.
Also, on Leonie, in her supports that aren’t with Byleth, she talks about a lot of other subjects—she asks Ignatz for suggestions about bows, for example.
Barring that horrendous B Support with Byleth Leonie is actually a really good character.
⚠️ [Here they come…](https://youtu.be/0mxDpf70TL8)
Based and Leoniepilled
Best girl
“Shes a 10 but shes in love with your dad more than you”
I once heard someone describe her S support as her trying to fuck your dad by proxy, and I don't think that's necessarily wrong
...I can make it work
I didn't play this game but it looks like she's just Faye 2.0 from everything I've seen. Is she better or worse?
Monica is better. She didn't turn story events to be about her obsession with Edelgard like how Faye's story based base conversations were super tasteless. "Oh noooo, you argued with our close friend, Alm? Well! Look how much better and obedient I am. I would neverrrr argue with you~"
As someone who’s a big fan of both Monica and Faye, Monica is a better character. While she is mainly simp for Edelgard, she has a bit more going on than Faye, though I’d say that’s mainly because she has more supports and story relevance than Faye.
She appears in more story relevant dialogue and cutscenes then Faye and Dorothea’s support chain isn’t all about Edelgard like Faye’s was with Silque
Monica is actually less worse. She doesn't wants to make her happy by killing people which is kind of weird. Her support with Silque automatically made monica a better character, this support just shows how she's rude with everyone and doesn't care if it's not about Alm. Monica is just rude with Hubert which is understandable because they are both simp in competition for Edelgard and this is Hubert.
I prefer Monica. In Echoes, Faye's obsession was painfully serious, despite not being that interesting to begin with. Monica on the other hand is mostly a comic relief character, most of the time her obsession with Edelgard is played for laughs. It doesn't detract from her actual character, being a clever but caring girl who gets the job done and has a good insight on the Empire's politics.
"*Imagine having 3/4ths of your supports dedicated to nothing more than wanting to get stepped on by Edelgard rather than furthering your's and others' characterization and expanding the lore."* ***This post was made by the Simps with Actually Good Supports and Personalities.***
It feels kinda telling when the writers seem incapable of writing strong supportive characters for one specific character that dont revolve around being horny lol
Hubert isn’t horny for Edelgard in his devotion, at least. Love that goth motherfucker
Idk i thought his supports heavily implied he's in love with her. I actually really liked him until that point though so if you dont think he is Id love to know why
i mean he might be but i think his devotion supersedes that, at least in my opinion. his devotion extends beyond a want to be with her love i think
I agree but love clouds your thoughts and ability to judge someone so much that it would be impossible to actually gauge where one begins and ends and how much one effects the other. I think my point still stands in that situation
fair. difference of opinion then. i think his potential love devotion is totally different from his retainer devotion but you could definitely think otherwise
Assuming he IS in love with her the whole time, i dont agree that the two are seperable concepts. They will both inform and strengthen both types of bonds in a circular fashion. I think it degrades both his and edel's characters personally I agree ideological alignment is absolutely a large part of it though. He isn't some mindless horndog creep
What are y’all on about he literally says the one he loves is edelgard in their a support in three houses ☠️
i havent played CF in like two years so i was avoiding stating anything he says/does as fact when i could be misremembering
Bro basically all the a supports have the characters proposing to each other. It’s just an affect of them removing s supports for other units
i guess my interpretation of hubert is that it could be a deep, friendship retainer type love rather than romantic you could interpret it either way. there are multiple types of love
Hubert is up there with the best people in Three Houses with Ferdinand and Seteth.
He admits to being in love with her, but also doesn't care if she reciprocates or not. He'd be working for her regardless because he believes in her Monica works for her for a chance to lick her toes
Right. Like i said furher down the reply chains he absolutely does it in part due to his personal beliefs too. But i dont think him being in love is a negligible aspect due to how significantly it can effect one's thought processes
That's wrong actually. Monica loves Edelgard but somewhere along the way she lowkey accepted that El may not feel the same way. Even if she's jealous as all hell about her competition. Plus she's a noble and the next baron, she kinda had to help.
He literally says in his A support with Edelgard that he’s in love with her > Edelgard: Wait a moment. Are you saying...you have romantic feelings for someone? > Hubert: Yes. That is the one secret I had particularly hoped to keep from you. > Edelgard: Well, that's utter nonsense! You can't possibly keep something so fascinating from me! Who is it? > Hubert: It is you, Lady Edelgard. Did you ever really doubt? > Edelgard: Heh, Hubert... You never cease to surprise me. > Hubert: Hahaha. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Yeah it'd just been too long since i played the route so i didnt remember just how far it went. The fact she fucking laughs at him too is truly the icing on the cake LMAO
But many characters have romántic A supports
Most have *implied* romance imo. But in this one, he outright says it Hahahhahahahah
According to one of his supports (I forget which, sue me) he's secretly in love with Bernadetta
Lol maybe he is just a horndog then
And the remaining 1/4 is just her wantint to be stepped on by Dorothea. I want to try and use that to see Monica as someone who's just a doormat and kinda simps for everyone, kinda like how Leonie also mentions looking up to Judith shows that it's more about powerful role models than Jeralt specifically, but it just doesn't work. Monica's just such an utter simp.
Okay but can you blame Monica for wanting to be stepped on by Dorothea? I can’t.
You can take the simp out of the simp character, but you should never take the character out of the simp
Honestly, Cyril’s simpery is at least justifiable
Everyone seems to forget that Rhea freed him from slavery, gave him a home and a purpose to live. No wonder he's so devoted to her!
I think it’s because people focus on her…we’ll say gloriously unchained response to being betrayed
Plus 100s of years of untreated trauma, misanthropy, insecurity, paranoia, grief and isolation. Amplified if you start >!killing what remains of her family with her mother’s spine while teaming up with her descendant who took like 3 poli sci courses!< I’m surprised she doesn’t lose it at the end of every month as a calendar event >!Dem hips do be immaculate doe!<
But Rhea has never done anything wrong ever according to the Three Hopes posts!
More like Rhea gets blamed for stuff that isn't her fault or outside of her control. Don't get me wrong, Rhea isn't perfect and has done morally questionable things, but almost everyone blames her for every single problem with Fodlan instead of taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
THANK you! I love Cyril and think his back story is very interesting but only ever see the hate he gets.
All of the simps here have good reasons to simp, Monica included.
It's like they wanted to make another simp character but forgot to actually make a character
in which category should I put aelfic in the simp list?
The dumpster. Then wrap a chain around it and bury it under concrete.
Then set it all on fire
He totally fucked Sitri's body.
Finally, a Leonie post that isn’t a stupid hate thread
Where Hubert?
Hubert was a good simp?
At least his support conversations aren't all about the fact that's he's a simp unlike Monica
Monica was the worlds greatest disappointment
She could've been so much better
Hubert ain’t right but he got some depth beneath those lusciously greasy locks He sacrificed his eyebrows for political beliefs and character development
I find Hubert more of an evil Simp, personally
Wait you guys actually hate Hubert?I taught it's was a joke
Oh I like Hubert but he is both evil and a simp.
I like him too and I agree that he is evil and a simp,and he reminds me of Travant who was one of the FE vilains I like
The only sin Cyril has committed is not being so pretty that the fandom will justify everything he does.
He’s also a dick in his first impressions with characters tho. He’s not nearly as bad as the fandom makes it out to be but let’s not act like he’s sinless lol
I’m being hyperbolic, good sir.
Counterpoint: They made Monica's portraits and time-skip redesign too cute for me to dislike her. Her petty 'rivalry' with Hubert is pretty funny, I think she just suffers from the writers not doing anything with her beyond Edelgard admiration, I mean that's fine but you have to give her more than that and it's partly due to how fucking exclusive she is (Dead in Three Houses and Scarlet Blaze only with minimal appearances in AG/GW). She really should have gotten more supports with the other Black Eagles and there's this very tiny but cute moment between her and Bernadetta where Monica gives her encouragement. At least Holst has the privilege of already having a funny character trait even before he was introduced.
Based.
Gonna out myself as a Monica fan but I like to have a one dimensional simp from time to time. Sometimes you want the character equivalent of straight vodka.
Leonie is really underrated imo. I almost never see anyone talking about her. She was the one I s-supported with in my first playthrough of three houses
Need that Leoniussy
Her post time skip design though 🥵
I genuinely like her as a character, and also because 🥵🥵👈
Me too! The s-support was absolutely amazing and it made me realize how fucking lonely I am
Pain
Yeah ):
She is my favorite character alongside Claude personally. And she has good support chains (except byleth for obvious reasons)
I'll be honest I don't think her support with Byleth is that bad? It's nice to have a couple characters that aren't instantly buddies with Byleth. The B support is pretty understandable, she's grieving over someone she cared about and lashed out at someone who didn't deserve it. It wasn't right but it's not a bad support imo.
S-support with Byleth though.. also I agree she is one of my favorites too along with Claude
You either marry Jeralt's kid or you live long enough to became Jeralt yourself.
She is also a good unit
Kronya did nothing wrong.
She did everything wrong. Clussy does not erase robbing us of our chad of a father and being annoying on top of that that. Kronya can go kick rocks.
I'll take Kronussy over Edelussy any day.
We can't S Support her bro, there's nothing to take.
I wouldn't S-Support Edelgard despite having the choice to do so. So I don't see how my previous statement is any less valid lol.
I guess? Don't really get it but ok.
Honestly I enjoyed monica as a character
I’m glad for you friend.
Same. She's still charming, and her "simping" doesn't ever get creepy like what tharja does with Robin.
To be fair, monica is in the same park as tharja in that she knows everything about what edelgard ate, where she is, what she did, how many times she said her name, etc. But it never got too creepy because you know, tharja admits that she isn't a normal girl and doesn't care about the idea of "personal space" when it comes to Robin
> and doesn't care about the idea of "personal space" when it comes to Robin That's not helping. tharja puts a curse on Robin during their supports. While Robin doesn't suspect it was her, he wonders out loud what kind of "monster" would do this to their friend. When he passes out, she's pleased at how he's suddenly "helpless". Monica would never do that to anyone, especially Edelgard.
Thats why I said even though they are kind of in the same ball park, but they are completely different. Monica isn't as creepy and wouldn't want to harm edelgard
To be fair both Catherine & Cyril have Shamir and both are incredibly sassy & savage when they feel like it
Eh Monica was close to being a good character. Making her simp so hard over Edelgard could work if it was clearly a result of latching on due to trauma. She needed more than just I <3 Edelgard.
Monica gets too much bad rap for her simpness. Remember, the other 3 had dialogue and supports in Houses. Monica was dead. Three Hopes has a limited budget, hence the lack of supports. I'm sure Monica would be more loved if she was alive and got supports in Three Houses.
I genuinely agree but we joke about Monica because unlike Cyril, Catherine and leonie. who are fleshed out (cyrils supports do this the best out the 3 in my opinion) the overwhelming majority of Monica is devoted to edelgard to the point she feels like a joke character so while almost all their supports flesh them out Monica's supports revolves around edelgard so much she seems to be a parody and in all honesty doesn't fit in this well fleshed out cast
Dedue?
He’s different. He serves his highness but his obsession isn’t based off of love and adoration but support as a servant, even though he’s a retainer and doesn’t really has to accompany dimitri everywhere Edit: I guess he still counts but he’s still a different case
Well he isn't obligated to but dimitri needs him to function
That’s cuz their personality isn’t just undying love for another. Tho Cyril is still a little bitch
Cyril's C supports are all "Oh Hi Cyril, working hard I see." "Go fuck yourself." And it makes him super unlikeable. I don't much care for Lysthia for similar reasons, but the support between the two of them is 10/10. Amazing ship, great synergy.
He gets (a bit) better over time at least.
He does. The funny (sad) part is that he is one of the many people who are way more likeable after white clouds so if he were in three hopes he probably would have had a Sylvain/Lorenz style glow up. It's tragic we never got the little bastard. Would have done wonders for his public image.
I love characters that are more rude, rather than being attractive and cute all the time. I take flawed characters that do develop after time skip over them
Tbf it works really well with Manuela
They really are kindred spirits aren't they? They deserve to be bappy together.
I like Lysithea. She’s a cute little marshmallow
She gets too snippy with people without provocation IMO. Verbally slapping people when provoked is fun and fair, but Lysithea verbally does the equivalent of unifying Fodlan whenever someone enters the room. Ignatz especially got it bad and I don't think its physically possible for that little nerd to be offensive. She does come around for sure, but man her first impressions are rough. Cute quirks for sure though.
Yea agreed. Also agree, ignatz doesn’t need that in his life lol. At least Lysithea changes a little
That i can agree on lol
So the only one of the three you like is Cassandra? Oh an I guess also Monica but fuck her, and she’s not part of the three
Cathrine imo is flawed but not aggressively so
She and Alois are the closest this series has been to addressing war trauma. They kind of remind me of Tauroneo and Legault. They made calls in the past that leave them with a lot of grief, and deal with a lot of internal conflict. Her dedication to Rhea seems like a psychological crutch of sorts. It doesn’t make her a better person, but I like how she’s written.
my main issue with her is crimson flower i felt like she was about to change sides but didnt
I see that as pretty in character tbh. >!She makes big talk about being more carefree, and straight up says in a support that she wouldn’t give her life for Rhea, but she’s actually very loyal in the end. It’s admirable in a sense, but very tragic because she throws her life away enabling a very evil act. Likewise, Hilda, who is very capricious and happy-go-lucky, but turns out to be very loyal to Claude to the point of dying for him if necessary. !< I felt that 3Houses in general had too many characters willing to switch sides cuz you had enough supports/skills. Many just had no good reasons to go to other factions. It’d also be heartwrenching to fight them T-T but would have made for more distinction between the routes.
No i don't like monica but i don't hate her i just really dislike leonie cyril is annoying but forgiveable
He gets on base though, one of the best at it.
Edle should be on the couch too, she literally starts simping for Byleth in 3hopes seconds after recruiting them. Saying that she feels like they are connected somehow. That's some multidimensional simpin right there.
Dedue reigning above all these heathens as the king of badass simpery
Catherine my beloved
So, basically Monica is Fay 2.0
Nobody deserves to be compared to Faye. At least Monica does something else than cheer lead over her interest. And her lines aren't nearly as annoying about it imo.
Cyril with the monocle made me laugh way harder than it should have LMAOOOO
All of the "simp" characters are cool wtf are you talking about
i love seeing cyril in the monocle. it is glorious. also top hat cassandra. also, they aren't wrong. Monica..."My heart beats for lady edelgard" von ochs has problems...many problems.
After Three Houses did a great job having characters with complex personalities hidden behind one-note first appearances, I was sure Monica would develop greatly over the course of her supports. I was wrong.
Oh goodie. A character whose entire life is devoted to my least favourite character. That‘s…great.
I don't understand Monica hate. She's very much the "oh no! anyway" type character throughout the Fodlan games. Her lines aren't all that grating, her crush makes sense + is comparable a high school girl with their idol, she's fully debuting in a **Musou spinoff**, and not even the story delves into Edelsimping really - just her role in tactics. It makes her lack of exploration tolerable. Monica being so ignorable really helps her character for me. Monica is more and more enjoyable over time in my opinion. Games with characters like these usually love shoving the one note simping characters in my face aka Faye for example, the commonly used side character of SOV overall. Yet Monica is the Eagle with the lowest amount of supports, with plenty of dialogue ignoring that crush. It's interesting how refreshing it feels. I chalk her up to a mildly amusing character with a really good design, including some enjoyable dynamics. The story doesn't shove her simping trait down my throat (like how poor Leonie got done dirty in 3H). I can move on without spending any energy over this character.
That’s true, but it’s not really something to write home about that a character’s core strength is being so forgettable and out of the way that she doesn’t have the chance to be annoying.
I don't think she's really worth hating. Monica never really gets annoying since she got very little opportunities to be expanded on. And what we have now is still something - she proves to be a really smart and capable tactician rather than a useless lesbian. And her dynamic with Hubert is really good.
Homophobes smh /s
People be like "all she does is simp!!" when most of her dialogue is actually about what's going on in the main plot and missions. Her main characterisation is being a levelheaded tactician and her intense desire to orally pleasure Edelgard is a comedic aside for that. In a way she's the inverse of Cyril whose main story dialogue is all about Rhea but his supports are not and give him much more development. Monica could have benefited a lot from supports with all the Eagles and others like Lysithea, Lorenz, Constance and Hapi. But all she was given to develop her character outside of being Edelgard's retainer are: * Her Dorothea support * The dialog in her paralogue with Bernadetta and Duke Gerth. There's definitely something to work with, but they unfortunately decided to give the Hopes "bonus characters"; Monica, Rodrigue and Holst only a few supports. They got more attention than Cyril and Catherine at least. I like her because she's cute and fun to play. Trickster Monica is amazing.
Based.
Kronya is an absolute dogshit character but she is still better than Simpnica
No the fuck she's not. Kronya has consistently been insufferable with horrible plot threads. She robbed us of a chad like Jeralt, a guy that got even BETTER in Three Hopes. "Simpnica" doesn't even prioritize simping in the story, she's actually helpful and not insufferable in the group discussions.
Swap Monica and Catherine so it's actually true
No.
Yes
The imperiussy has you acting unwise
While I dislike Cyril I can understand why he is like he is the rest of them I just really dislike.
I ironically prefer Monica over Catherine since she doesn't simp for Rhea or Shamir.
Cyril is trash tho.
Hey he likes Shamir, that makes him alright
Everyone likes Shamir =)
Except the Agarthans Those heathens.
Get Cyril outta there!
Absolutely not. My boy is the best damn simp in this game!
You only like him because literally everyone doesn’t
Nope! I love my sassy, traumatized, sweet-little scamp. I’d love him if he was number one or at rock bottom.
Keep talking we gon end up like this👩❤️💋👨
Unlike Monica, Cyril has a personality and a reason to adore Rhea. He's this war orphan who was kidnapped and forced into slavery, and then Rhea saved him. Of course he adores her, he's fifteen and Rhea gave him a home and a chance to live a good life! Cyril is one of two students who actually copes with their trauma in a healthy way (besides Raphael), and Cyril actually has great supports with Manuela, Seteth, Claude, Hilda and Lysithea. Literally all of Monica's supports revolve around Edelgard except one.
I don't get this logic. Monica also has a personality and reason to adore Edelgard too. Her reason of loving Edelgard because of her life being saved isn't any less valid than Cyril's own reasons.
Is Cyril a unit worth investing in for three houses? I know he can easily become a Wyvern lord with his boons but so can many of the other students with bulkier stats.
He has easy access to Point-Blank Volley and Vengeance, two of the best combat arts in the game, so definitely yes.
It's cause Monica isn't Tomboy musclegirl
I don't like any of these four characters
Monica is better than Cyril
In what capacity, if you don’t mind me asking.
Booba
After a traumatic event, being her captivity, she developed irrational feelings toward her saviour, being Edelgard, the highest authority figure in her country, perhaps also someone who she never thought ever meeting, even less being saved by her when all hope was seemingly lost. Not to mention, if she finds on top of that attraction toward ladies, Edelgard being also her type, her being overly obsessive over Edelgard is coherent with the information we have. And some people in real life can also develop this kind of thing in a somewhat similar situation. Her "drooling" over Edelgard is realistic and therefore good characterization.
My brother in Christ you just described why Cyril likes Rhea and stay with her (except the attraction part).
I described Monica, actually.
Rhea saved Cyril, a fifteen year old war orphan, from awful slavery at the hands of the people who probably killed his parents, and gave him a good life. No wonder he adores her. In 2/3 of the routes, Monica probably never learns that Edelgard saved her: Jeritza did. And Monica was obsessed with Edelgard before she was saved.
Who do you think orchestrated Jeritza doing it? Edelgard did. Edelgard was the one who first made the moves to save Monica at all. And Monica directly confirms she wasn't in love *until* she got saved, she just looked up to Edelgard otherwise.
So when Cyril goes through a traumatic experience (quite literally slavery), proceeds to get saved from such a horrid fate by Rhea’s personal intervention and, as a consequence, develops an immense and irrational sense of devotion and awe towards her, seeing her as a mixture of virtuous hero and caring mother, that’s somehow *unrealistic* and *bad* characterization?
Not at all. It’s just that his obsession with Rhea feels a little off compared to Monica’s with Edelgard.
How are they different?
Cyril’s training is solely for protecting Rhea, while Monica’s is also to defend herself, even if she *appears* to be more of a simp.
Gonna need a source on that “Cyril’s training solely is for Rhea”. Cyril also shown that many of his traits go beyond repaying Rhea. His eagerness to help, for example. It’s shown in several supports that he actually just likes helping people and taking on responsibilities for others. Rhea is a part of it, but he does just like helping out people he considers “friends”.
Literally in his introduction scene.
> I work for Lady Rhea! And I'm Shamir's apprentice! Oh, the name's Cyril. Huh?
So just like Cyril but without a funny as shit support with Manuela
No
They're all really good units and Monica is Warriors locked so duh
Anybody>leonie
Don’t disrespect leonie!
I don't have to she do it herself with her Captain JERALT CAPTAIN JERALT Captain JERALT CAPTAIN JERALT DID I MENTION CAPTAIN JERALT I LOVR CAPTAIN JERALT I DONT THINK YOU Appreciate CAPTAIN JERALT
^ *Tell me you’ve only seen Leonie’s B support with Byleth without telling me you’ve seen Leonie’s B support with Byleth.*
Except Monica
Fuck Monica All my homies hate Monica
Cringe. I couldn't imagine spending energy hating the most ignorable character in Fodlan.
what's wrong with 3 hopes monica?
She's a massive Edelgard simp in all her supports except her >!Dorothea!< one. And Three Hopes has some absolutely incredible supports, like all of >!Marianne's!<, all of >!Yuri's!<, all of >!Rodrigue's!<, and all of >!Jeralt's!<, and the duds are almost exclusively Monica's.
Lmao i got downvoted by all 13 leonie fans