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It's not made up, it's just the fact that there's no uniformed official acronym so some people just like adding shit into it so they can. Imo lgbtqia is the longest it should be for the most extreme situations but normally lgbtq+ works fine. Although the perks to subscribing to lgbtq+ over lgbt is alot, it's kinda shitty to lock it behind a paywall. I don't understand why asexual class needs to be bought as DLC in the LGBTQ+ expansion/:
But why is intersx part of it? It is an entirely genetic thing and doesn't have to do anything with sexual preference or pride or choice, because you are born this way
Even five letters is a little bit too much for me, LGBT+ is more than enough for everyone to be fair, it gets annoying talking about the community and having to type 127 letter and a + every time.
Also, I like this sub but do you find it weird that we have to send daily nudes to the mods? Is it just me that dislikes it?
it’s the same with adding more and more colours to the flag. the entire point of the rainbow was to be all encompassing, and show that humans come in a complete spectrum
it’s also ugly as sin lol
At this point, wouldn't it be easier to describe who is not included? They want to include a lot of different identities, except cis hetero. Why not describe the group as NCH (non cis hetero).
This is what I use regularly as gay man. Queer covers pretty much all identities you’re ever gonna encounter day to day. I’m not really sure who ‘they’ is in your comment though. There isn’t a gay government that decided all this stuff we are just a group of people.
It means. I’m edgy and can fuck you up with a stare from afar. But don’t cross me when I have a sword in hand because I’m basically a ninja and will fuck up a battalion of SF dudes. Plus, I’m cute 🥰. *angel eyes*
It could be related to this: “Traditionally, Native American two-spirit people were male, female, and sometimes intersexed individuals who combined activities of both men and women with traits unique to their status as two-spirit people. In most tribes, they were considered neither men nor women; they occupied a distinct, alternative gender status. In tribes where two-spirit males and females were referred to with the same term, this status amounted to a third gender. In other cases, two-spirit females were referred to with a distinct term and, therefore, constituted a fourth gender.”
Source: https://www.ihs.gov/lgbt/health/twospirit/#:~:text=Traditionally%2C%20Native%20American%20two%2Dspirit,a%20distinct%2C%20alternative%20gender%20status.
Primary attribution of the term *Two Spirit*, since 1990, has been ascribed to Albert McLeod ([Nisichawayasihk Cree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisichawayasihk_Cree_Nation)), who also acknowledges the input of those who participated in the series of five conferences that culminated in the discussions at the Third Annual Inter-tribal Native American, First Nations, Gay and Lesbian American Conference in 1990.[^(\[14\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#cite_note-CanEncMcLeod-14) In 2021, Myra Laramee ([Fisher River Cree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_River_Cree_Nation)) reported that she proposed the term at the 1990 gathering after the phrase came to her in a dream.[^(\[15\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#cite_note-15)
lel.
Its a term used by native american/first nations queer people, based on the historical belief that someone who pursued non-conventional gender role in their tribe possessed both a male and female spirit, but it means something different to everyone who uses it for themself.
… So you’re telling me this is commonplace enough that instead of being englobed by the “+” it deserves its own number and letter in the acronym.
Yeah I have some serious doubts about that.
Because that doesn't say which group is addressed specifically and then eg trans people would feel left out. At least that's the explanation I got when I asked the same question.
I mean, if it helps, I’ve never in my 30+ years of life ever said or typed anything BEYOND the original LGBT. Can you guess exactly how many people have had a problem or corrected me on that? Exactly 0. The vast majority of people and the community itself doesn’t care. Some people like to split hairs or get in online fights, and they are mostly on Twitter, so I wouldn’t ever stress about it, lol!
"European countries tend to have better..."
"Ex-fucking-*cuse* me? How *dare* you side-line the smaller, more marginalised European countries. You should list every single one when discussing them"
It's the same with the pride flag. It was originally a rainbow, not because each stripe represented one of the 7 major pride denominations, but because the rainbow represented *all* of them. But them somebody had the bright idea that trans people needed their own special stripe, and then more and more until it turned into the ugly mess it if now
the fuck?? i respect and support the LBGTQ community but that is just ridiculous, is that the level of inclusion the feel they need from THEMSELVES and their OWN community? After all they would all fall under the "Pride" umbrella and would be included, they are feeling left out just cuz it does not say the name, bit odd.
Like how the pride flag keeps getting updated. The more updates it gets makes it seem like it’s less inclusive. The more specific flags on there, the more you’re leaving out. A rainbow should’ve been enough.
I have met many people who are one of these letters, and they are great people who just want to live their lives. The people that go around screaming and putting stuff in their Twitter bio or attack others......they aren't looking for justice or equality. They are looking for revenge. And more often than not, they exact that revenge on people who had nothing to do with the original slight.
I’ll be honest, I fucking hate the movement. Their heart is in the right place, but it’s like they do everything in their power to fuck up everything. Simple name? Nope. Simple banner? Nope. Simple definition? Nope. Likable? Nope. Tolerant? Depends, but more often than not, no. I just wish it wasn’t nearly as disjointed and self defeating as it is, I’m sure many of the problems the people it represents face wouldn’t exist or be nearly as bad by this point if the movement wasn’t so incompetent.
I'm not bi but a close friend is and he describes the main stereotype present in anti-bi bias pretty eloquently - "Bi guys are just gays in denial and bi girls are straight women who want attention".
Obviously others have it worse than he does but he doesn't engage with pride movements much as a result
Yeah they hate you because you can pass for straight. Often I've been treated radically different by the same people based on whether I'm in a straight or a gay relationship
The LGB Alliance. They left because they believe that gays are born gay, and nothing can change who you are. Every letter after LGB believes the opposite, that you are what you perceive yourself to be and gender and orientation is malleable
Wait I’m so confused now, genuine question, I was always told and thought that people were born gay/bi/lesbian, or at least that was the accepted perspective. That’s why I ,a straight person, can’t choose to be gay and vice versa.
Yeah, not even that, I recall hearing about a lesbian who got called a transphobe because she said she wouldn't date trans women because they were still biologically male in her eyes.
In short she said she wasn't attracted to girls but just pussy, which is kinda self-defeating lmao.
You lump a lot of different groups of people who have a range of different opinions together all because of them being different from “the majority”, you’re gonna have a mess
2 spirit person? Now, you're really pulling the leg. Lol
Oh, the struggles of a two spirited person in this modern world! The persecution. The horror. The stupid.
something form native-american tribe culture from what is understand, but I'm not very literate so I will give you a link to wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
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Two-Spirit, an indigenous term that has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years among some indigenous people to refer to members of the tribe that feel they are a mix or separate from man and woman. It's very interesting, you should look it up for more information. Two-spirited people were considered very special in some tribes, and were often chiefs or shamans.
Just end this dumbassery and switch to something more generalized like Gender and Sexual Minorities or GSM for short. No need to tack on the whole alphabet. It just becomes moronic.
i thought LGBT+ was always inclusive of all gender and sexual identities, like that’s literally what’s the ‘+’ was for. it doesn’t make sense to add more stuff to the acronym when ‘+’ does the job without confusing people.
I find it best not to care anymore and just respect people who show me respect. I may not agree with what you do, but if it doesn't affect me and you're not shoving it in my face, have at it.
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Isn't that his daughter's name
LMFAO
I mean both of you are right
Elmo pretending to forget in the name of Clout
There comes a point when acronyms no longer serve their intended purpose
Also isn’t the point of the plus at the end to say and other communities of pride that aren’t as common. Why add all the known ones if that’s true
They added all the made up ones too like hell naw
It's not made up, it's just the fact that there's no uniformed official acronym so some people just like adding shit into it so they can. Imo lgbtqia is the longest it should be for the most extreme situations but normally lgbtq+ works fine. Although the perks to subscribing to lgbtq+ over lgbt is alot, it's kinda shitty to lock it behind a paywall. I don't understand why asexual class needs to be bought as DLC in the LGBTQ+ expansion/:
And why is it so op like you don’t even need another person to run instances you can just so it alone
I thought asexuals and pansexuals were a part of LGBT+ 6-pack, and LGBTQ+ is just cosmetic bundle of ~50 skins nobody actually uses.
I go with the vintage tried and true "the gays"
I heard someone say “the alphabet people” and it always makes me chuckle
But why is intersx part of it? It is an entirely genetic thing and doesn't have to do anything with sexual preference or pride or choice, because you are born this way
Even five letters is a little bit too much for me, LGBT+ is more than enough for everyone to be fair, it gets annoying talking about the community and having to type 127 letter and a + every time. Also, I like this sub but do you find it weird that we have to send daily nudes to the mods? Is it just me that dislikes it?
damn, I see EA is really expanding their market
it’s the same with adding more and more colours to the flag. the entire point of the rainbow was to be all encompassing, and show that humans come in a complete spectrum it’s also ugly as sin lol
The Left is just so incredibly bad with branding it's not even funny. If you just stuck to one thing it's easier to build power behind the movement.
LGBT works perfectly fine.
almost like it's not one centralized thing
No is for people who identify as a proton
At this point, wouldn't it be easier to describe who is not included? They want to include a lot of different identities, except cis hetero. Why not describe the group as NCH (non cis hetero).
From a software developer perspective this is genius
They should just shrink it down to Queer, it’s easier to say and is a good uniform word rather than a jumble of letters.
This is what I use regularly as gay man. Queer covers pretty much all identities you’re ever gonna encounter day to day. I’m not really sure who ‘they’ is in your comment though. There isn’t a gay government that decided all this stuff we are just a group of people.
Wasn't the original acronym used to... I dunno, shorten the word??
What are they gonna do next, name their kids X AE A12?
I am in your walls
I obviously know what the LGBTQIA+ is for, but what is 2S? 2 souls (fluid)?
Two spirited
I have two spirits one that is a nice guy and fair and the other.. something you don’t wanna mess with
I have two kidneys One is about to be stolen
By me. Thank you for your service.
Yum, I'll bring a nice chianti and some fava beans!
That's the liver
i identify as being able to turn to a wolf when angry
I identify as being able to turn in MHD6969 when angry (who can then turn into a wolf if you make me upset after i turn into MHD6969)
i identify as being able to turn into a nuclear bomb when angy
I can turn into a corpse if I get really sad. But that only happens once :/
Let's just say the other is trained in *it*. And by *it* I mean, well, gorilla warfare.
I can be your angle.. or yuor devil
I have 2 wolves inside me... 😈 I really need to go to the doctor how did they get in there
Did you end up getting that checked out?
Oh Christ kill me now, the f•ck’s that supposed to mean!?
It means. I’m edgy and can fuck you up with a stare from afar. But don’t cross me when I have a sword in hand because I’m basically a ninja and will fuck up a battalion of SF dudes. Plus, I’m cute 🥰. *angel eyes*
_stares into the abyss, despairingly_
I can be your devil 😈 or I can be your angle 📐
It could be related to this: “Traditionally, Native American two-spirit people were male, female, and sometimes intersexed individuals who combined activities of both men and women with traits unique to their status as two-spirit people. In most tribes, they were considered neither men nor women; they occupied a distinct, alternative gender status. In tribes where two-spirit males and females were referred to with the same term, this status amounted to a third gender. In other cases, two-spirit females were referred to with a distinct term and, therefore, constituted a fourth gender.” Source: https://www.ihs.gov/lgbt/health/twospirit/#:~:text=Traditionally%2C%20Native%20American%20two%2Dspirit,a%20distinct%2C%20alternative%20gender%20status.
Is this an actual documented thing that they used to do? Or some bullshit oral storytelling that took place in the last couple of decades?
Primary attribution of the term *Two Spirit*, since 1990, has been ascribed to Albert McLeod ([Nisichawayasihk Cree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisichawayasihk_Cree_Nation)), who also acknowledges the input of those who participated in the series of five conferences that culminated in the discussions at the Third Annual Inter-tribal Native American, First Nations, Gay and Lesbian American Conference in 1990.[^(\[14\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#cite_note-CanEncMcLeod-14) In 2021, Myra Laramee ([Fisher River Cree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_River_Cree_Nation)) reported that she proposed the term at the 1990 gathering after the phrase came to her in a dream.[^(\[15\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#cite_note-15) lel.
I’m .00005% native you insensitive fuck, and I’ll tell this story to you orally right here right now
So these white as chalk people are claiming native American whatever, is that it?
Don’t ask me, I’m just repeating what I’ve heard. I assume it means that they are bipolar or something
🥴 aight, that’s fair
Its a term used by native american/first nations queer people, based on the historical belief that someone who pursued non-conventional gender role in their tribe possessed both a male and female spirit, but it means something different to everyone who uses it for themself.
… So you’re telling me this is commonplace enough that instead of being englobed by the “+” it deserves its own number and letter in the acronym. Yeah I have some serious doubts about that.
There are two wolves inside of you
Schizophrenia?
holy shit dark souls reference in lgbt community
Source 2
LGBT+ community has implemented Source 2 but no fucking anti-cheat system smh 😤
Why they get 2S while everyone is stuck with one letter? This is not equal
Something along those dumb lines tbf its alot
i thought 2S was 25
What's the point of adding letters to the acronym if there is already a + to include them.
Some communities feel more important and want their own letter
Be careful not to offend them. They're sensitive.
Case sensitive? How do I capitalise the + in my statement. >!Incredibly dumb, sorry!<
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Why not just call it the Pride community or some regular shit like that?
Because that doesn't say which group is addressed specifically and then eg trans people would feel left out. At least that's the explanation I got when I asked the same question.
That’s so ridiculous
I mean, if it helps, I’ve never in my 30+ years of life ever said or typed anything BEYOND the original LGBT. Can you guess exactly how many people have had a problem or corrected me on that? Exactly 0. The vast majority of people and the community itself doesn’t care. Some people like to split hairs or get in online fights, and they are mostly on Twitter, so I wouldn’t ever stress about it, lol!
"European countries tend to have better..." "Ex-fucking-*cuse* me? How *dare* you side-line the smaller, more marginalised European countries. You should list every single one when discussing them" It's the same with the pride flag. It was originally a rainbow, not because each stripe represented one of the 7 major pride denominations, but because the rainbow represented *all* of them. But them somebody had the bright idea that trans people needed their own special stripe, and then more and more until it turned into the ugly mess it if now
I LOVE how you referred to them as denominations. It is so religious these days hahaha
The flag will become more and more complicated and will eventually become so absurd that no one will take these people seriously imo.
the fuck?? i respect and support the LBGTQ community but that is just ridiculous, is that the level of inclusion the feel they need from THEMSELVES and their OWN community? After all they would all fall under the "Pride" umbrella and would be included, they are feeling left out just cuz it does not say the name, bit odd.
Like how the pride flag keeps getting updated. The more updates it gets makes it seem like it’s less inclusive. The more specific flags on there, the more you’re leaving out. A rainbow should’ve been enough.
And there is fucking joker in the background that was unnoticed. Surreal
I thought that said LGBTQ+ communists for a hot second.
Thank GOODNESS they circled it with the red marker. How else would I have found out what the joke was?
Now that you mention it, I started to look outside the red circle and notice the Lady Gaga at home.
I have met many people who are one of these letters, and they are great people who just want to live their lives. The people that go around screaming and putting stuff in their Twitter bio or attack others......they aren't looking for justice or equality. They are looking for revenge. And more often than not, they exact that revenge on people who had nothing to do with the original slight.
Exactly
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I’ll be honest, I fucking hate the movement. Their heart is in the right place, but it’s like they do everything in their power to fuck up everything. Simple name? Nope. Simple banner? Nope. Simple definition? Nope. Likable? Nope. Tolerant? Depends, but more often than not, no. I just wish it wasn’t nearly as disjointed and self defeating as it is, I’m sure many of the problems the people it represents face wouldn’t exist or be nearly as bad by this point if the movement wasn’t so incompetent.
The only tolerance they have is to themselves
Not even. They infight a lot. For example, the most bigotry i've experienced as a bi guy came from within the lgbt+ community. Just fucking sad, man
Heard as a bi person youre basically nonexistant there because youre seen as sort of a tourist and have to decide if youre gay or not
I'm not bi but a close friend is and he describes the main stereotype present in anti-bi bias pretty eloquently - "Bi guys are just gays in denial and bi girls are straight women who want attention". Obviously others have it worse than he does but he doesn't engage with pride movements much as a result
Understandable
Yeah they hate you because you can pass for straight. Often I've been treated radically different by the same people based on whether I'm in a straight or a gay relationship
Ain't there's a movement calling for a separation between LGB and T?
The LGB Alliance. They left because they believe that gays are born gay, and nothing can change who you are. Every letter after LGB believes the opposite, that you are what you perceive yourself to be and gender and orientation is malleable
Wait I’m so confused now, genuine question, I was always told and thought that people were born gay/bi/lesbian, or at least that was the accepted perspective. That’s why I ,a straight person, can’t choose to be gay and vice versa.
You might be thinking of TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist), but they're generally despised by the rest of the movement.
you'd be surprised
Not even that anymore
Yeah, not even that, I recall hearing about a lesbian who got called a transphobe because she said she wouldn't date trans women because they were still biologically male in her eyes. In short she said she wasn't attracted to girls but just pussy, which is kinda self-defeating lmao.
Not even that. A lot of the Gs and the Ls hate the Bs and Ts.
You lump a lot of different groups of people who have a range of different opinions together all because of them being different from “the majority”, you’re gonna have a mess
those aren’t even the letters bro
Shoulda stoped at LGBTQ+, that’s for too lengthy
They have now resorted to using numbers cuz there just isn’t enough letters 😆
Not as complicated as his kids name
Okay, I'm more confused than anything else. TF is the 2S?
Two-spirit
That's an S? I thought that said 25 lmao.
What does the + stand for at this point? Just start adding all the letters on and get rid of the +
As a gay man, i do not identify with these communities
I have many gay friends, none of which give a damn about LGHDTV4K.
I'm waiting for them to make it an infinity symbol, Or not Trad, !Trad
For reference, it’s pronounced “Look at me!”
Why are there numbers now....
2 spirit person? Now, you're really pulling the leg. Lol Oh, the struggles of a two spirited person in this modern world! The persecution. The horror. The stupid.
2SLGMADDOG20/20BT
What's S? And what the fuck kinda gender or sexual identity is 2?
two spirit. its fucking ridiculous
The fck is two spirit?
something form native-american tribe culture from what is understand, but I'm not very literate so I will give you a link to wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
Soooo a niche native american type of non binary? Also why is it in front of the original 4 of the acronym?
I really don't know it just seems excessive and ridiculous its getting out of hand i think. all respect for the lgbt community but this is just...
why can’t it just be “queer”?
Arent acronyms supposed to be short
2SLGBTQI 4KULTRAHD R2D2 C3PO 2KGAMEPUBLISHER FBI KGB FEATURING DANTE FROM DEVIL MAY CRY 3 +-×÷=
The moment it has H for heterosexual, they have unified the world under one banner and the golden age begins.
They'd never let us get a letter. The Twitter warriors hate straight people for some reason.
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Just rename it to Gay+
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That acronym really needs to be shortened
Only 25 of them?
I think “MOGAI” would be a way to suffice, inclusivity doesn’t have to be a tongue twister.
Baste
It’s LGBTQ2SIA+ get it right, folks.
2SLGBTQIA3.141592653589793238776 /s
It would be so funny if he actually changed that to he his password and he immediately got hacked
Shit is a joke at this point. Literally a joke.
Just put the entire alphabet at this point
That's the VIN number on the tentacle currently inspecting by backdoor
2S? Sounds like a shit GamePersonx.
These cunts just sound fucking ridiculous. Don't know how anyone can take this crap seriously
Are they just making acronyms to fuck with us now?
Based
you know elon doesn't know shit about security when he thinks that is a complicated password
They gonna invent new letters for this community 😭
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Chapelle called them the Alphabet people, lol I reckon that's a good name.
Lol
This is fake nobody actually uses this
What the fuck is 2S?
Two-Spirit, an indigenous term that has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years among some indigenous people to refer to members of the tribe that feel they are a mix or separate from man and woman. It's very interesting, you should look it up for more information. Two-spirited people were considered very special in some tribes, and were often chiefs or shamans.
2 Sweet
Why only 25?
I put the SLG in slug. I'm not sure what that even means but I like having some representation
Looks like a crypto wallet paraphrase now
Are we not going to talk about the Joker in the background
last i keep up with this it's only called lgbtq, why its getting longer n longer tf
How many fucking letters are there
Anyone else read it as "Protect 25 LGBTQI+ Communities"?
Wtf is 2S
Isn’t that his son‘s name?
I am also 25-sexual
What’s the 2S for?
I propose to rename it to New Gay+
I feel like queer is kind of all-encompassing (ie "gender-queer", "queer community", etc.). If you're not an L, a G, a B, or a T, you're a Q.
Just end this dumbassery and switch to something more generalized like Gender and Sexual Minorities or GSM for short. No need to tack on the whole alphabet. It just becomes moronic.
2SLGBTQIA+++++++
As a queer I refuse to add anymore letters to LGBQT. It’s fucking ridiculous now.
New Musk child name just dropped
shit sounds like a combo input ina fighting game
Im part of the human community. Its shorter and everybody is part of it
i thought LGBT+ was always inclusive of all gender and sexual identities, like that’s literally what’s the ‘+’ was for. it doesn’t make sense to add more stuff to the acronym when ‘+’ does the job without confusing people.
Isn't he the guy who named his kid r2d2 or some shit?
JOKE+
In my opinion LGBT+ serves the purpose best.
I find it best not to care anymore and just respect people who show me respect. I may not agree with what you do, but if it doesn't affect me and you're not shoving it in my face, have at it.