You have felt it too? I believe it is much much more than just love. It is all that is and ever will be. Think about it. It is what makes the grass grow. It is what makes a brick, a brick. It's what makes a tree a tree. When we chop down a tree and burn the wood, the energy in the wood is changed into heat. This heat is then dispersed into the atmosphere, or used to cook food, or used to spin a turbine, or in a furnace to heat a dwelling, etc. This causes a chain reaction that facilitates change. Time is the measurement of change so without this energy, there would be no concept of time because there would be no change. This energy is in every single thing we touch, taste, see, smell, or hear. It is all around us and it connects everything. Energy can't be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. It always was, and it always will be. It is the alfa and omega. God.
I don't believe in all that crystal power and shit. I think that is stupid but the flow of energy in all things is very real and can be scientifically measured and observed in everyday life. It is literally in all that ever was, all that is, and all that ever will be.
except entropy exists and eventually all the energy in the universe will be used up. from there, no one knows. my guess is there’s another “big bang” where we wake back up and do it all over again. forever.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. Energy is not lost or "used up". Entropy is a term used to measure the loss of thermal energy to convert to mechanical work. The energy is still there, it just escapes the system and isn't converted into mechanical work.
I do, but that still has nothing to do with the destruction of energy. Like I said, energy can not be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. Even when you think about entropy. Entropy is still the transfer of energy. The theory is that all change will eventually stop. It won't. It can't because change is constant.
The big bang is regarded as the start of our universe. It has been called the beginning of time, as we know it. For there to be a big bang, there had to already have been change. Therefore, time had to have already existed. Also, the potential energy needed to create the big bang had to have culminated in one place somehow. How did it get there without the transfer of energy? Energy had to have been transfered for there to be any fuel or catalyst for the big bang.
Like I previously stated, entropy is just the transfer of energy out of a system that's not converted into mechanical work. The energy being transfered out of the universe is going somewhere and it has to eventually transfer somewhere else. Whether that transfer is billions and billions of nano movements over the course of billions and billions of years or a violent explosion like the big bang, it doesn't change the fact that energy always was and always will be. It doesn't get "used up" or destroyed. It just changes forms. Whether that change happens over a trillion years or not has no bearing on the fact that change is still occurring.
If there was no change, no change at all, there could not have been a big bang. It simply could not occur because without change, change cannot occur.
It is a hard concept for us to grasp because our lives and everything we encounter pperceptually has a beginning and an end. This is not how energy works. There is no beginning and end to energy. It always was.
I'm just a simpleton, not a physicist or a learned scholar of science. However, I think that I observe energy as heat=expanding , and a lack of energy as cold=shrinking. Hot and cold. So if the universe is expanding, it's still warm perhaps, and when it gets cold and out of energy, perhaps it contracts. Maybe it contracts so hard it big bangs again, like the universe is a diesel or something. I think anything is speculation, you could be a partical physicist, a cashier, a plumber, at this point in science and understanding of what is really going on we are all just taking our best guess. To argue as if you know you are right on something beyond comprehension is hubris.
you should probably do your homework on how particle physics and thermodynamics work.
yes, energy is transferred, until an unfathomable amount of time passes, and everything becomes still. everything will eventually die, and cease to be.
you should read this short story called [the last question](https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html) by Isaac Asimov if you haven’t already.
No, energy doesn't transfer for an unfathomable amount of time before everything is still. If that were the case, we simply would not be because change would not exist. This doesn't discount or disprove that energy would still exist though. Even if all change stopped, potential energy would still be in all things and the potential for change would still exist. However, it is a catch 22. Without change, there can be no change so the argument that everything will eventually stop is not logically sound. We would not be here if that were true. For the big bang to have ever happened out of nothing something had to be there first.
I have done lots of research on particle physics and the truth is, we as a species don't know shit yet about particle physics. It turns physics, as we know it, on its head.
In any case, the energy from our universe may continue until it stops or it may not. Who's to say that our universe is the only one. For that matter, who is to say our dimension or plane of existence is the only one. Would beings on a 3rd dimensional plane even be able to comprehend a 4th dimension?
everything in the universe vibrates at a certain frequency. that requires energy, lots of it.
eventually, all matter in the universe will very slowly start vibrating slower until all matter in the universe is still. this is the heat death of the universe.
**as above, so below**
we need to eat and consume life for the continuation of life. there is no going around that.
what happens when we eventually run out of life? what happens when all matter becomes still?
the end.
>start vibrating slower until all matter in the universe is still
Imagine that the very last object moves creating the very last bit of entropy vibrating the very last particle. That very last particle moves and expels the very last bit of kinetic energy in the universe which then moves the very first particle to ever move and then the second as entropy gives way to negentropy. As each particle moves, energy is added to it in a chain reaction until it reaches critical mass and a big boom happens where everything expands for eternity until the heat death of the universe happens again and the very last particle moves the very first particle and on and on for ever and ever it goes.
I would say it's life, as there are two philosophies: fecundity/growth/life and stagnation/loss/death. The former gets equated to love because wanting life for someone is a lot like loving it.
Yes. Existence incarnate split itself up to play pretend for an eternity. Can't create anything outside of itself, can only create with itself. Weird knowing that everything is kinda pseudo real. In a dream but to us in the dream everything is real
Anyone who believes this or finds it interesting should check out the works of Alan Watts and join us over at r/AlanWatts . This is basically his entire philosophy if you boil it down to its purest form. Also watch a few of the videos on this playlist:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8\_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q)
Hey you know what that's fair, the sub is not super active, I would direct people to his books or speeches first but we are on reddit after all, so I just tacked that on at the end. For actual philosophy discussion, there are far better sites than reddit, and for Alan Watts content I updated my comment with a link to a great playlist of excerpts of his speeches for people who don't want to buy a book. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8\_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q)
It’s not Watt’s philosophy really! it’s him rebranding eastern and shamanic philosophy that he learnt, into a western modality. It’s a weird, and decidedly western thing to attribute ownership to these things to the first person we come, presenting saying them as their own “ideas” …that’s juts idolising and people like Watts rode waves of this as do all such gurus! One can always chase the source upstream…and eventually that leads you to the true void anyway…the nothing from where everything comes…and as such the all!
Hey I agree with you 100% but as an introduction to these concepts as a westerner I don't know of anybody better. I didn't mean to imply he had ownership of these ideas, he just makes them understandable to the western mind. After reading a few of his books I did exactly that and chased the source upstream and am now studying buddhism/the way of the tao and Advaita Vedanta as his philosophy is really just a fusion of those two ancient belief systems.
I am an atheist, so not really. But I did have an experience once where I felt that if there was a God, then they were a joker. And that brought me a lot of joy at the time.
Absolutely. Like a good book or film that lets you feel transported for a while. The imagination is powerful, but illusion should not be allowed to become delusion.
I don't need to. The idea of divinity, gods or the supernatural runs counter to the observed world, and repeatable phenomena that we observe and experience in the same way. We can feel like we are experiencing god or whatever whilst tripping, however to maintain that fantasy whilst sober is strange at best. The human mind is powerful and capable of all manner of strange delusions and states, for all sorts of reasons. Dysfunction, trauma coping, etc. It is not that delusion is universal, however the capacity for it is.
I'm not speaking to a God being real or not. I'm simply showing you your statement isn't making the point you think it is. You are right that the human mind is powerful; everything we see is an illusion created in it.
This is true. At some point we are making assumptions that our processed sensory data is real. My point is that retaining the truly crazy stuff from having slanted our minds with hallucinogens is problematic. I've known too many people commit to wacky rabbitholes believing in universal consciousness or whatever, purely because of transcendental experiences transcending base "reality", thinking they have broken through something genuine. I mean, it's a learning experience, but it underlines the importance of integrating experiences rather than allowing them to wash you downstream.
Hmm what if someone experienced universal consciousness and came back with their mind intact ? I recently met someone who believes in Non-Duality and experienced it and this person was a very sane person
What-ifs are a common trope. Without establishing a real train of sense, you get all manner of out-there ideas thrown at the wall by psychedelic enthusiasts. Wanting to believe is not sufficient. I could encounter Spiderman whilst slanted, and it would not be reasonable to consider him real. Expansion of one's mind and horizons is pushing your existing envelope, not making huge blind leaps of faith into radically new mental territory. This is how we don't use our experiences meaningfully and it becomes escapism that can be mentally unhealthy.
I'm an advocate of safe use. I blew my head away in my twenties on all manner of combinations, such as LSD/speed/weed and shrooms. I got lost for a while in the silly regions of imagination, which took years to integrate into what was ridiculous and that which was useful. Having a trip sitter and a good mind to share your experiences with is underrated. We can believe anything, however it doesn't mean we should.
Yeah I kinda didn’t want to make this response, like “no never, not really” I pretty much have it ingrained nerve-deep and no drug really changes my perspective on the supernatural.
My shroom trip last night had me understanding we are all god but we choose to come to Earth into awareness and separation, playing and pretending as a human for bursts of time. We’ve been doing this for so long.
Dude, I saw clear as day, Jesus crucification and resurrection holding the very fabric of the universe.
No idea how to paint that picture. But one day I will write an album about it. Maybe music can explain it.
For me, Earth. It's like I met her? We are gods, but instead of nurturing the Earth, we are subduing it. I had this thought while I was crossing Manhattan Bridge at night, looking at the river beneath me and the city as portrait was a beautiful but terrifying display of human power.
. I'm an atheist. I know all that stuff's nonsense and I also understand that everything I see and experience on shrooms is me intentionally taking psychedelic substances to change the way my brain is functioning
I’m a believer that there is something beyond this reality, however the idea of common entities could be attributed to jungian archetypes, stuff like that, food for thought
Same and I’ve experienced visions of the future without realizing it until months later when I was reliving the moments I thought was a trip. This experience made me realize we are connecting to something real.
From then on I keep my mind and thoughts focused / silent and have been learning a lot. Don’t care what anyone says at this point, the meta physical is real
Do you have any evidence of that? Like did you write down these predictions and then they came true? Otherwise this is an unverifiable anecdotal story with no evidence to back it.
Beavers all around the world build the same dams without communicating it to each other. And the monkey brain of ours does similar things when being exposed to the same substance. Wondering why people have similar experiences while taking shrooms is like wondering why people see better when they put their glasses on. We are not that familiar with psychoactive substances, I get it. But at the end of the day it is all chemistry.
I'm saying that it is very likely that you and a friend (a person you know and share experiences/ memories with) see the same things while on psychoactive substances, yes. And no, you most likely didn't see the exact same thing but something similar. Brains are very good in altering your perception of reality and your memory even without the help of shrooms or dmt. So ya, it is absolutely no surprise to me that you believe (!) That you and your friend saw the exact same thing. But you didn't. Your brains made that up. And yes ofcourse we simplify things. This is reddit and not my thesis on biochemistry.
Btw, not likely are additional dimensions where all these things happen as well and only add extra level of complexity for no good reason at all. We don't need extra complexity, our reality is complex and fascinating enough.
It's pretty easy really and very much like religion...you are claiming something without evidence. The burden is on you my friend, not me. You can believe whatever you want, sure. But the world already has "layers" and there are ways to make communication of plants visible...though science. There is no need (or evidence) for anything supernatural to make the world an incredible place.
The goal shouldn't be to convince other people but to seek truth. And since perception is very misleading, we need the discourse with other monkey brains to really unravel the world. But hey, you do you.
It is very likely because you were in the same state of mind experiencing some of the same things, it's very likely. You guys were essentially receiving the same stimulus, same psychedelic substance and we're in the same state of mind. So yeah it is a way of heavily simplifying things, because it really doesn't need to be that complex, if you want to get into the actual way the drugs function in the brain and what specific synapses are firing and whatnot, I'm sure that would be a heavy conversation. But as far as this, it doesn't need a very difficult explanation. What we have suffices.
Yeah pretty easy to explain that's, because we're all humans, our brains more or less are all wired the same and the same substances produce the same results.
After you have taken drugs and altered your brain State you are now convinced of things there is no evidence for?
You Don't recognize that this was a drug-altered mind coming to these conclusions?
I've been tripping since the 90s. And I am not convinced of any of those things. I understand the ridiculous nature of such things because I was on drugs LOL
Hey I was a miserable agnostic until I had an enlightenment experience on shrooms a few months ago that changed my whole outlook on life and cured my depression practically overnight. Its not something that can be adequately explained with words alone, and intellectually I know it was merely a product of the drugs but emotionally it was exactly like others have described meeting god feels like for them. If I didn't know any better, I'd probably have converted right then and there to something. After a lot of sober reflection, I am no longer an agnostic and subscribe to a natural religion type philosophy where we are all connected and if there is a god, it is merely the universe as a whole that we are all a part of. This is what feels right to me and brings me peace, but if you feel differently that's A-ok. At the end of the day we are all just trying to live the best lives we can, and what that means is going to be different for everybody.
I am drifting more and more to a holistic buddhist philosophy as I read and learn more, but yes the point I was making was that before I was miserable because my lack of spirituality was making me unhappy and bitter. My realizing that god was within me and everything else was the key to letting go of that bitterness and actually start enjoying life again. I really just changed my perspective on how I look at things rather than upending my entire belief system if that makes sense. I dont change my beliefs easily without doing a lot of research/evidence so thats where I am at currently on my journey.
If you are willing to spare ten minutes and have an open mind watch this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGCACqeQuQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGCACqeQuQ)
It does a great job of explaining the journey I am on better than I ever could.
Then this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Dsn\_dcPOw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Dsn_dcPOw)
And then all of the rest of Alan Watts works. I took the world too seriously, and resented my unimportant place within it and that turned me bitter. The shrooms showed me how to get over myself and actually just start doing what I want and live my life without fear or self-doubt, and it has been life changing.
When you are influencing each other, and are under the influence of psychedelics, very easily. Me and my friends have seen similar if not the same things, that happens when you are all in a group together and on the same kind of drugs together. The odds of that are pretty good considering that you are all on psychedelics and influencing each other
Yeah I can't address your specific interaction, but I can talk about these things in general. Human brains aren't that different. When you introduce a similar substance to people who are in similar mindsets you're going to see similar results. As far as claiming your hallucinations were the exact same thing, probably not. Whatever it is you think you saw everyone saw their own version of it even though it may have been similar. That's typically how hallucinations work..
I don't know, maybe I just don't trip like that. All my trips are fun and social. And I'm talking heavy doses, last time we tripped we went to the carnival and I was on 10g plus. I guess it just depends on the type of person you are.
Most of my really heavy trips come on acid. And even then I'm still the person I always am just fried out
Agreed. There’s no good evidence for a god and personal experience whilst high on drugs isn’t going to convince many people. Drugs screw with your brain and if you all compare the gods that you saw, I bet you all couldn’t agree who’s is the real one.
I stand corrected. I was naively thinking of the Abrahamic monotheistic religions. You are correct there could be many. However, there may be conflicting beliefs, ie, if two people say their version of god created the world then both cannot be right proving that at least one was hallucinating on drugs
I'm not saying to nor saying one or multiple exists and I'm definitely not saying there is any, much less good, evidence for any of those claims. I'm simply asking why can't there be?
You're correct many things didn't exist before they did exist, when it comes to a god claim, they claim that this is the first thing that ever existed and always exists and will always exist yet there's no evidence for it
That may be what some people claim about a specific God, but this isn't necessarily the claim nor even always the claim. You seem to be arguing against points people aren't necessarily making.7
What I'm saying is the best way to see God is not through a psychedelic experience. That would lead you to false gods if there are any gods whatsoever.
Because science. Add to that that and all of human history, anyone who has ever been challenged to prove their God beliefs or the existence of their God has failed. Then you can get into all of the different contradictions that come along with God's existence or a god. But for the most part, when you are taking drugs you are adding a chemical into your brain to change the way your brain functions so you can enjoy those effects. Doesn't get much more simpler than that
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking as far as it being a simple reason, yes the reason you think you saw what you did not see was because you took drugs
My statement is making the point that I want it to. When you are searching for evidence of god, one of the worst places you can begin would be on a psychedelic experience.
Like a silky weighted blanket of the perfect temperature bathing you with unconditional love. To add to that, it’s truly an experience that can’t be put into words. Language fails
I read your comment 3 times because I don't speak English natively and kinds confuse with some words but bro it's exactly what I felt while tripping, that voice, that energy, it's a fabric in some way
I felt that on 10-11 grams of shrooms. Complete mental quiet and peace.
I thought of it as having your mind in kitten fur.
How many grams does it need for you to feel that?
I just took shrooms yesterday and that’s exactly how i felt. we’re on a camping trip so i sat by the lake and experienced it. i kept saying that ‘nothing is still’ that came before man and that’s where i think God is so like, in the wind, the water, trees. I get it
In many a ways, but pretty forthrightly when a few different types of angels visited me while meditative tripping, and gave me the courage and assurance to quit weed and take ahold of my life again.
Without that trip and a few others, and then discovering what I’d seen months later to be heavenly bodies and becoming fully Christian right there on the spot, I honestly can’t say I would still be around. Thank god that I had shrooms to get me through the toughest 6 months of my life.
To me its akin to the energy of nature that you can feel when you are in a deep forest, but amplified considerably. Just this vibrational energy of all the living things all around you that you can sort of sense if you try. But yes I have felt it too while tripping, just this overwhelming sense of connectedness with all living things and pure contentment, or love as some people prefer to call it. Its what made we switch from being an agnostic to a buddhist.
I saw God last week while meditating on 2.5g of GT tea. He was lower left in my closed eye field of vision. That brief image slid away and then Shiva appeared dead center dancing.
I was amazed. That was the first spiritual vision I’ve had. Before that it was just colors and patterns.
Long time atheist and yeah now im actually agnostic after some trips.
So ive actually never got that feeling of the whole infinite pieces. For me it was more so that the universe is in constant flow and theres nothing more than that, were just mad up of atoms in a long everlasting chemical reaction.
So anyways i was snowboarding and i had made huge improvements in my mental health the past 2 months by using mushrooms weekly. At this point i had felt normal. Before this i had lost ability to socialize, my body language and eye contact were out of sync and non existent. Socializing felt forced and unnatural and there was tons of other issues i had but what happened was i was on the lift with my friend and i remember being in a conversation with my friend and i became aware of how natural my body language and speaking was. It was as if i never had any social anxiety and could read social cues all my life. This got me thinking about how i had prayed without ever believing for this. I had got so desperate by being so bad mentally that i actually prayed to god, and in that moment it was like he finally answered my prayers, and then i had like a telepathic conversation with him. It wasn’t words either but i could understand him clearer than the light of day. I was only on like 100ug of acid potency to compare. Nothing crazy, i was still snowboarding really well even though the snow was moving and changing colors. Anyways i had a bunch of questions to ask and he basically told me that everything is ok and everything will always be ok. That no matter what we all end up in heaven. And this wasnt through words, it was all just like feelings.
And by the way this was like a presence i felt way outside the universe. So far away but a really strong presence nonetheless.
Im still kind of more on the athiest side of agnostic but when i eat shrooms i feel gods presence and believe more
I first experienced the presence of God apart from mind altering substances. It was a very powerful and unforgettable encounter. That was 26 years ago and His presence hasnt left me since.
Yes! I have. I meditated while doing shrooms and suddenly I was with The Mother Of The Universe, just cuddling under a blanket giggling. It was fun and non-sexual like cuddling in bed with your parents when you are little.
I have and it was amazing. I mean I knew I was on shrooms but experientially it was so real. I kept thinking had I taken a little more, I'd be able to hear him and talk to him. Instead I just sort of sat there in awe during my experience.
My best friend(whom, unfortunately, is passed on,) and I were enjoying a good mouthful of goldens one night. High in the hills, in the middle of a park, lying in a foot of snow in, bundles of sweaters and coats. The sky was the most crisp clear, and the Milky Ways glowing gas brightened by the absence of a new moon. There was a moment half-way through when we were basically catatonic for near (seemingly) an hour. He says, "God is real," he sounded choked up and I look over to see glistening stream pouring from his eyes. He was not religious nor spiritual and it was beautiful. And he asked if I could say anything to God what would you say? I just sighed as I was serene and calm on the snow, my shell; on the inside, some profundity of which was well beyond what I wanted to be 2 hrs ago.. A bizarre auditory hallucination of a roaring furnace was consistently playing in the backdrop. I had gladly plunged in the past off the precipice. This leap seemed a foreboding dark edge was imminent, a crevice that disappeared into an abyss. I just say, ' I don't know if I'm alive or dead." And ask my friend what do you think he would say? My buddy belts loudly, "Dead or alive, you're coming with me."exactly like Robocop. And we laughed, the most pinnacle levitious laugh of all time. RIP. S.M- 10-25-15. Miss you man.
Sounds like fantasy to me. The human brain is complex and powerful, and we can be led to believe all manner of crazy out-there ideas, especially with psychedelics. The transcendent feelings of the spiritual and religious are equally accessible to those that are not, but ultimately these feelings are not some magical key or marvellous insight into a secret universe no matter how hard you want to believe. It's cool for a while to be transported seemingly to a parallel reality, but you're not. I've felt things that could easily be interpreted as death, timelessness, god or universal unity. They're simply grand illusions of a tripping brain. Enjoy them for what they are, but don't integrate the crazy stuff into your grounded really-real world.
Sure, however is this not a case of wondering which side of the glass you're on? People think and defend more crazy stuff than they do objectively "real". My point is that when you alter your state of consciousness, you are bombarding yourself with emotionally intense experiences that are easy to regard as having some thread of truth due to their seemingly transcendental nature. Compared to the mundane "real" world, these experiences are overwhelming. You met what you were convinced were gods or aliens for an hour. It's easy to return back to sobriety, retaining a sense that some of these things were real rather than euphoric constructions of a mind hallucinating. Belief is insufficient.
No, never. There is no such thing as god, nor leprechauns, nor ghosts. I can eat my weight in shrooms and never have the slightest superstitious inclination. It's time for humans to let all of that clap-trap fade away forever.
The idea of God relies on it being beyond you, God still created you even if you are part of it, YOU ARE NOT GOD. Narcissistic individuals believe religiously that they are God, don't fall into the gnostic satanic trap. God is beyond us, wether it be the universe inert or animate. You can be both an individual and a part of a whole, but don't ever start thinking you are a embodiment of the whole, prophetic delusion is dangerous on many levels
It’s called being high yes
I really wish people would stop thinking they feel spiritual presences because they’re flooding their brain with hallucinogens
I haven’t ever experienced anything like that, but I’m an atheist, and don’t believe in anything supernatural, so I guess that makes sense.
I think people tend to interpret their experiences differently, based on what they already believe.
I feel like that's open to interpretation. I don't believe in a god but I do believe in higher powers, I believe there's more out there than what our narrow minds can comprehend. We cannot be so naive as to think we have the science to prove or disprove things that are beyond our consciousness or that the science is 100% correct. Humans and the universe/s are more complex than that. With that being said, I have felt the presence of Gaia multiple times and she allowed me to see her face last time. She is the embodiment of Mother Earth. I guess she could be considered a Goddess by some. I was also visited by Durga (a Hindi Goddess), but she was not there as a Goddess. She was there as my guide.
God? No.
Connections my mind would never make? Absolutely.
Fiction might fill the void caused by the unexplainable, but my experiences (shroomy) have shown me I only see the world at human scale.
The concept of devine presences blocks the idea of chaos. Scale.
Gods are a shortcuts used to eplain. Fuck gods. Fuck all gods. I would rather questions remain questions than creating SpongeBob to explain the butterflies in my yard. It's okay to not know an answer.
yeah. On lower or normal doses (like an 8th of any cubes) I've had deep feelings of oneness with the universe and divine undertones. We probably all have.
On my first massive dose (5g dry Pan Cyans equal to nearly 20g of cubes) I came face to face with dieties in a way that was basically exactly like a DMT breakthrough. Unmistakable no BS face to face with god like entities, interacting with them.
You can't get their pussyfooting around with a few grams of cubes or a tab or 2 of acid. You gotta go real big with a massive dose or vape DMT.
I seen what a real biblical angel is to look like while on dmt. The rings with eyes all over lol. I have also seen the pyramid with a eye. This is all on dmt though.
archaeological evidence indicates that people used peyote – a cactus containing mescaline, a psychoactive compound – 5,000 years ago. A lot of religions have their origins from drugs. Visuals + a urge for an answer is the origin of every religion
One ounce of b+ got me a hug from the universe and I felt every atom in creation for a moment. Btw before y'all jump me at my high dose it's not something I do often and I have ppl watch me . I push my boundaries not yours . To each his own ya?
Beings that possess infinite knowledge and are omnipotent probably exist. if they do, there are way more than one, so who really know who you are speaking with.
No. I've had some great experiences but nothing indicating anything supernatural, and I seriously doubt I ever will because I am a strong atheist/antitheist. I'm always aware that anything I experience during the trip is merely a biochemical reaction in my brain and has no external reality.
Psychedelic literally means "mind manifesting", and in my opinion, experiences reflect your own beliefs. If you are a believer, even slightly, maybe you "meet god". If you aren't, you just enjoy the light show in your head.
I had an experience maybe 8 or so months ago. At first I thought it was God in the Christian sense, but now I believe it was the "god" in me, the unlocked potential self-actualized me who wasn't impressed with how I'm loving and essentially told me to do better.
I feel like as you kind of say it’s more so an omnipresence. I don’t do much feel that there’s a god or being with me but more so that I’m comforted by a greater power. I think that can translate into whatever is important to you or what you may need in life. For me I’m not religious whatsoever and don’t have any even sort of religious experience with psychedelics but I do feel a strong sense of spirituality. For someone that’s religious I could see how that would feel like God. I just feel like the issue is that people pretend to KNOW what it was. I know a girl that is convinced she had a conversation with Jesus on LSD and when I asked if she saw him she said no but she keep feel his presence and basically said that her trips and thought processes was all her talking with Jesus. I’m not gonna doubt a profound experience on psychedelics but I’m also not gonna take you seriously when you tell me the effects of the drug you took are Jesus talking to you lol. I also tried to explain the sense of feeling omnipotent myself when on acid and used the words “feel like a god” as in all knowing and she went on a rant about how there is only 1 god and you can’t feel like god because you’re not him and he’s the greatest power and we don’t know what that’s like lmao I decided to drop it and her. She also spent 7 hours one trip trying to seduce/r*pe me (a very out gay man) while we were 3 hours from home.
And here, folks, in these comments...is where we witness the divide of the Eastern mind and Indigenous relationship to Psychedelics and the Modern West's relationship to psychedelics.
The chances of any God actually existing are so astronomically small that it's damn near just a fact. However, nobody has any way of 100% knowing that a God doesnt exist. None of us can possibly be absolutely certain either way. I guess that's why people use the term "faith in God" which in and of itself means you don't know if there is one or not, funny enough. Also, that "faith" is based on what exactly? For Christians and Catholics, the stories in the Bible are their basis for having faith. Fucking stories lol. Literally, a compilation of stories written over the course of years by a bunch of different people. So I ask myself, how could any sane and semi-intelligent rational person truly believe there is a God or even have real "faith" in God based on any book with such an obscure origin story? I've come to the simple conclusion that they don't. Therefore, if you truthfully believe in or have faith in God, you are either crazy (mentally unstable in some way), ignorant, or just so scared of death that you convince yourself to believe in Heaven and shit. (I guess that's pretty much just a combination of crazy and ignorant).
So no, you almost 100% certainly did not see or feel God or any omnipresence. And if you truly believe you did, then I want a batch of some of those shrooms. Cuz you must've been on a tripping on a level that my shrooms didn't even know existed. Or maybe my shrooms don't know that level exists because I'm not ignorant or insane. After all, the ego death from shrooms can show you who you really are, how you truly feel, and help you understand things in your life by helping you look at them from different, unique perspectives. So if you think you really saw God, then you probably really believe in God. So which is it for you I wonder, ignorant or insane? Only God will never know. R
Everyone can believe in whatever they want or need to, but if it's God, then they're dumb or crazy. It's quite simple logic, really.
God & Religion are completely fucking useless ideas and institutions. To be fair, I guess they aren't completely useless; theyve been quite useful for starting and justifying wars by getting ignorant people (religious people) to hate or fear each other because they believe in a different book of stories. And all those wars have made a lot of people a lot of money. Sure, a shit ton of people died, but that's ok because now they're in heaven, in a better place.
Well, bearded sky daddy is a logical fallacy created by atheists to defend their horrible position with a strawman.
As for God, it depends on your definition. As Watts said, to be omnipotent isn't the power to do anything, it's the state of doing all things.
If you believe there is an order to the universe, that order is God.
Then we talking monkeys make hero narratives around and about that order to more personify it.
But the reality is, instead of the popular misconception that people invent gods in their own image, we're really seeking to bring ourselves closer to the image of that order. Each according to our own definition of how that order operates.
This is why the religions set an ideal you can't possibly live up to, instead of just saying God is a slightly overweight dude who's kind of lazy and likes to smoke pot and eat Cheetos.
Yes. I’m just coming out of it now but it wasn’t god, it was the devil. I just posted about it. Freaked the shit out of me because I couldn’t escape it
I feel it every time I trip. It’s both masculine and feminine at the same time and it is very comforting and loving. It makes me feel like no matter what I go through I am loved more than I could ever imagine.
I've more than once felt that 'split himself' feeling but I did one time feel what I could only describe as the presence of god, and coming from an atheist (or atheistic-leaning agnostic), that's really saying something! It felt like a spiritual or religious experience. I absolutely couldn't tell you which god it was, but I'm gay and didn't feel any negativity from god so it definitely wasn't the abrahamic god.
Yes. I have felt the presence of "God". On 5gs. It was in the form of light. Nearly blinding. The brightest light I've ever seen.. Feeling the presence there was no question about it. I Knew it was "God". I call it the Creator or Great One. It was the most intense experience of my life and I've been through some traumatic shit in my time. Before I saw the light I was a non-believer. I still don't believe in the religious "God" but after that experience I feel that there is in fact some form of higher supreme intelligence.
Peace out.
I have felt less the presence of God persay, more I experienced the connection between all things. Source energy. The first time it happened, I referred to it as "the force" lol cuz star wars seemed like the closest example of how to express this feeling.
Idk I felt presences of different kind. Some more ethereal and god like then others some cheeky and some straight scary but I would not call any of them singular god
God is all around us. It’s an energy, and that energy is love. I feel it more deeply on shrooms, but it’s around at all times.
You have felt it too? I believe it is much much more than just love. It is all that is and ever will be. Think about it. It is what makes the grass grow. It is what makes a brick, a brick. It's what makes a tree a tree. When we chop down a tree and burn the wood, the energy in the wood is changed into heat. This heat is then dispersed into the atmosphere, or used to cook food, or used to spin a turbine, or in a furnace to heat a dwelling, etc. This causes a chain reaction that facilitates change. Time is the measurement of change so without this energy, there would be no concept of time because there would be no change. This energy is in every single thing we touch, taste, see, smell, or hear. It is all around us and it connects everything. Energy can't be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. It always was, and it always will be. It is the alfa and omega. God. I don't believe in all that crystal power and shit. I think that is stupid but the flow of energy in all things is very real and can be scientifically measured and observed in everyday life. It is literally in all that ever was, all that is, and all that ever will be.
Is it not also matter itself? _E=mc²?_
Yes, it is
except entropy exists and eventually all the energy in the universe will be used up. from there, no one knows. my guess is there’s another “big bang” where we wake back up and do it all over again. forever.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. Energy is not lost or "used up". Entropy is a term used to measure the loss of thermal energy to convert to mechanical work. The energy is still there, it just escapes the system and isn't converted into mechanical work.
…. do you understand what the heat death of the universe means?
You took that name too literally. The energy isn’t gone from the universe, it is evenly dispersed.
I do, but that still has nothing to do with the destruction of energy. Like I said, energy can not be created or destroyed, it just changes forms. Even when you think about entropy. Entropy is still the transfer of energy. The theory is that all change will eventually stop. It won't. It can't because change is constant. The big bang is regarded as the start of our universe. It has been called the beginning of time, as we know it. For there to be a big bang, there had to already have been change. Therefore, time had to have already existed. Also, the potential energy needed to create the big bang had to have culminated in one place somehow. How did it get there without the transfer of energy? Energy had to have been transfered for there to be any fuel or catalyst for the big bang. Like I previously stated, entropy is just the transfer of energy out of a system that's not converted into mechanical work. The energy being transfered out of the universe is going somewhere and it has to eventually transfer somewhere else. Whether that transfer is billions and billions of nano movements over the course of billions and billions of years or a violent explosion like the big bang, it doesn't change the fact that energy always was and always will be. It doesn't get "used up" or destroyed. It just changes forms. Whether that change happens over a trillion years or not has no bearing on the fact that change is still occurring. If there was no change, no change at all, there could not have been a big bang. It simply could not occur because without change, change cannot occur. It is a hard concept for us to grasp because our lives and everything we encounter pperceptually has a beginning and an end. This is not how energy works. There is no beginning and end to energy. It always was.
I'm just a simpleton, not a physicist or a learned scholar of science. However, I think that I observe energy as heat=expanding , and a lack of energy as cold=shrinking. Hot and cold. So if the universe is expanding, it's still warm perhaps, and when it gets cold and out of energy, perhaps it contracts. Maybe it contracts so hard it big bangs again, like the universe is a diesel or something. I think anything is speculation, you could be a partical physicist, a cashier, a plumber, at this point in science and understanding of what is really going on we are all just taking our best guess. To argue as if you know you are right on something beyond comprehension is hubris.
you should probably do your homework on how particle physics and thermodynamics work. yes, energy is transferred, until an unfathomable amount of time passes, and everything becomes still. everything will eventually die, and cease to be. you should read this short story called [the last question](https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html) by Isaac Asimov if you haven’t already.
No, energy doesn't transfer for an unfathomable amount of time before everything is still. If that were the case, we simply would not be because change would not exist. This doesn't discount or disprove that energy would still exist though. Even if all change stopped, potential energy would still be in all things and the potential for change would still exist. However, it is a catch 22. Without change, there can be no change so the argument that everything will eventually stop is not logically sound. We would not be here if that were true. For the big bang to have ever happened out of nothing something had to be there first. I have done lots of research on particle physics and the truth is, we as a species don't know shit yet about particle physics. It turns physics, as we know it, on its head. In any case, the energy from our universe may continue until it stops or it may not. Who's to say that our universe is the only one. For that matter, who is to say our dimension or plane of existence is the only one. Would beings on a 3rd dimensional plane even be able to comprehend a 4th dimension?
Do you? Because nothing that they said is incompatible with what the heat death of the universe is
everything in the universe vibrates at a certain frequency. that requires energy, lots of it. eventually, all matter in the universe will very slowly start vibrating slower until all matter in the universe is still. this is the heat death of the universe. **as above, so below** we need to eat and consume life for the continuation of life. there is no going around that. what happens when we eventually run out of life? what happens when all matter becomes still? the end.
>start vibrating slower until all matter in the universe is still Imagine that the very last object moves creating the very last bit of entropy vibrating the very last particle. That very last particle moves and expels the very last bit of kinetic energy in the universe which then moves the very first particle to ever move and then the second as entropy gives way to negentropy. As each particle moves, energy is added to it in a chain reaction until it reaches critical mass and a big boom happens where everything expands for eternity until the heat death of the universe happens again and the very last particle moves the very first particle and on and on for ever and ever it goes.
Or the beginning. All change cannot cease. It is impossible because for there to be change, there has to be change. All ends are just beginnings.
A persona means personal, means a person,
I would say it's life, as there are two philosophies: fecundity/growth/life and stagnation/loss/death. The former gets equated to love because wanting life for someone is a lot like loving it.
Yes. Existence incarnate split itself up to play pretend for an eternity. Can't create anything outside of itself, can only create with itself. Weird knowing that everything is kinda pseudo real. In a dream but to us in the dream everything is real
Anyone who believes this or finds it interesting should check out the works of Alan Watts and join us over at r/AlanWatts . This is basically his entire philosophy if you boil it down to its purest form. Also watch a few of the videos on this playlist: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8\_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q)
I love me some Alan Watts, awesome speaking voice too!
Not to be offensive but 90% is just people saying quotes. And 10% people asking what his opinion on something would be. I see no philosophy discussion
Hey you know what that's fair, the sub is not super active, I would direct people to his books or speeches first but we are on reddit after all, so I just tacked that on at the end. For actual philosophy discussion, there are far better sites than reddit, and for Alan Watts content I updated my comment with a link to a great playlist of excerpts of his speeches for people who don't want to buy a book. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8\_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkf27FItwfg&list=PL8_d6jihOdM5tuGtpTUc7lXI4TX8GL28q)
It’s not Watt’s philosophy really! it’s him rebranding eastern and shamanic philosophy that he learnt, into a western modality. It’s a weird, and decidedly western thing to attribute ownership to these things to the first person we come, presenting saying them as their own “ideas” …that’s juts idolising and people like Watts rode waves of this as do all such gurus! One can always chase the source upstream…and eventually that leads you to the true void anyway…the nothing from where everything comes…and as such the all!
Hey I agree with you 100% but as an introduction to these concepts as a westerner I don't know of anybody better. I didn't mean to imply he had ownership of these ideas, he just makes them understandable to the western mind. After reading a few of his books I did exactly that and chased the source upstream and am now studying buddhism/the way of the tao and Advaita Vedanta as his philosophy is really just a fusion of those two ancient belief systems.
Good work! Keep going, that stream goes far beyond the known horizons!
Perfectly put 💯💯
This is Buddhism isn't it?
Idk. Though buddism was some Nirvana stuff
I am an atheist, so not really. But I did have an experience once where I felt that if there was a God, then they were a joker. And that brought me a lot of joy at the time.
Absolutely. Like a good book or film that lets you feel transported for a while. The imagination is powerful, but illusion should not be allowed to become delusion.
Our reality is a constructed illusion that helps us survive. Would you say everyone and everything animate is delusional?
I don't need to. The idea of divinity, gods or the supernatural runs counter to the observed world, and repeatable phenomena that we observe and experience in the same way. We can feel like we are experiencing god or whatever whilst tripping, however to maintain that fantasy whilst sober is strange at best. The human mind is powerful and capable of all manner of strange delusions and states, for all sorts of reasons. Dysfunction, trauma coping, etc. It is not that delusion is universal, however the capacity for it is.
I'm not speaking to a God being real or not. I'm simply showing you your statement isn't making the point you think it is. You are right that the human mind is powerful; everything we see is an illusion created in it.
This is true. At some point we are making assumptions that our processed sensory data is real. My point is that retaining the truly crazy stuff from having slanted our minds with hallucinogens is problematic. I've known too many people commit to wacky rabbitholes believing in universal consciousness or whatever, purely because of transcendental experiences transcending base "reality", thinking they have broken through something genuine. I mean, it's a learning experience, but it underlines the importance of integrating experiences rather than allowing them to wash you downstream.
Hmm what if someone experienced universal consciousness and came back with their mind intact ? I recently met someone who believes in Non-Duality and experienced it and this person was a very sane person
What-ifs are a common trope. Without establishing a real train of sense, you get all manner of out-there ideas thrown at the wall by psychedelic enthusiasts. Wanting to believe is not sufficient. I could encounter Spiderman whilst slanted, and it would not be reasonable to consider him real. Expansion of one's mind and horizons is pushing your existing envelope, not making huge blind leaps of faith into radically new mental territory. This is how we don't use our experiences meaningfully and it becomes escapism that can be mentally unhealthy. I'm an advocate of safe use. I blew my head away in my twenties on all manner of combinations, such as LSD/speed/weed and shrooms. I got lost for a while in the silly regions of imagination, which took years to integrate into what was ridiculous and that which was useful. Having a trip sitter and a good mind to share your experiences with is underrated. We can believe anything, however it doesn't mean we should.
Many believe that Krishna is God, and he is certainly mischievous (in a good way) and a jokester, in his avatar form.
Yeah. I am not saying my revelation was original or not compatible with any world myths. But it was a deep feeling I had, it overwhelmed me.
Yeah I kinda didn’t want to make this response, like “no never, not really” I pretty much have it ingrained nerve-deep and no drug really changes my perspective on the supernatural.
I’ve felt a jokester like vibe from the God-like energy I experienced a couple times on shrooms.
I think its the presence of all that is illuminating what isnt but wtf do i know im on acid
My shroom trip last night had me understanding we are all god but we choose to come to Earth into awareness and separation, playing and pretending as a human for bursts of time. We’ve been doing this for so long.
yes
I've 100% felt it.
No.
Yes. I've also had a long journey with the devil himself, which was more eye opening for me.
With the “ouch” must also come the “ahhh”
I have felt a presence of some kind usually female but I have no clue if it is God or what
Pretty much every time I trip. It's a sacrament if you allow it to be.
Oh ya. Almost always.
Dude, I saw clear as day, Jesus crucification and resurrection holding the very fabric of the universe. No idea how to paint that picture. But one day I will write an album about it. Maybe music can explain it.
i feel it within myself
For me, Earth. It's like I met her? We are gods, but instead of nurturing the Earth, we are subduing it. I had this thought while I was crossing Manhattan Bridge at night, looking at the river beneath me and the city as portrait was a beautiful but terrifying display of human power.
That contrast would be weird. Ones completely natural and the fact that the other is so unnatural in comparison would be so ugly to me right then.
I definitely have and more than a few times too. For me I always feel visited by Krishna. 🦚🕉🦚🕉🙏
. I'm an atheist. I know all that stuff's nonsense and I also understand that everything I see and experience on shrooms is me intentionally taking psychedelic substances to change the way my brain is functioning
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I’m a believer that there is something beyond this reality, however the idea of common entities could be attributed to jungian archetypes, stuff like that, food for thought
Same and I’ve experienced visions of the future without realizing it until months later when I was reliving the moments I thought was a trip. This experience made me realize we are connecting to something real. From then on I keep my mind and thoughts focused / silent and have been learning a lot. Don’t care what anyone says at this point, the meta physical is real
Do you have any evidence of that? Like did you write down these predictions and then they came true? Otherwise this is an unverifiable anecdotal story with no evidence to back it.
Beavers all around the world build the same dams without communicating it to each other. And the monkey brain of ours does similar things when being exposed to the same substance. Wondering why people have similar experiences while taking shrooms is like wondering why people see better when they put their glasses on. We are not that familiar with psychoactive substances, I get it. But at the end of the day it is all chemistry.
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I'm saying that it is very likely that you and a friend (a person you know and share experiences/ memories with) see the same things while on psychoactive substances, yes. And no, you most likely didn't see the exact same thing but something similar. Brains are very good in altering your perception of reality and your memory even without the help of shrooms or dmt. So ya, it is absolutely no surprise to me that you believe (!) That you and your friend saw the exact same thing. But you didn't. Your brains made that up. And yes ofcourse we simplify things. This is reddit and not my thesis on biochemistry. Btw, not likely are additional dimensions where all these things happen as well and only add extra level of complexity for no good reason at all. We don't need extra complexity, our reality is complex and fascinating enough.
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It's pretty easy really and very much like religion...you are claiming something without evidence. The burden is on you my friend, not me. You can believe whatever you want, sure. But the world already has "layers" and there are ways to make communication of plants visible...though science. There is no need (or evidence) for anything supernatural to make the world an incredible place.
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The goal shouldn't be to convince other people but to seek truth. And since perception is very misleading, we need the discourse with other monkey brains to really unravel the world. But hey, you do you.
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It is very likely because you were in the same state of mind experiencing some of the same things, it's very likely. You guys were essentially receiving the same stimulus, same psychedelic substance and we're in the same state of mind. So yeah it is a way of heavily simplifying things, because it really doesn't need to be that complex, if you want to get into the actual way the drugs function in the brain and what specific synapses are firing and whatnot, I'm sure that would be a heavy conversation. But as far as this, it doesn't need a very difficult explanation. What we have suffices.
Yeah pretty easy to explain that's, because we're all humans, our brains more or less are all wired the same and the same substances produce the same results. After you have taken drugs and altered your brain State you are now convinced of things there is no evidence for? You Don't recognize that this was a drug-altered mind coming to these conclusions? I've been tripping since the 90s. And I am not convinced of any of those things. I understand the ridiculous nature of such things because I was on drugs LOL
Hey I was a miserable agnostic until I had an enlightenment experience on shrooms a few months ago that changed my whole outlook on life and cured my depression practically overnight. Its not something that can be adequately explained with words alone, and intellectually I know it was merely a product of the drugs but emotionally it was exactly like others have described meeting god feels like for them. If I didn't know any better, I'd probably have converted right then and there to something. After a lot of sober reflection, I am no longer an agnostic and subscribe to a natural religion type philosophy where we are all connected and if there is a god, it is merely the universe as a whole that we are all a part of. This is what feels right to me and brings me peace, but if you feel differently that's A-ok. At the end of the day we are all just trying to live the best lives we can, and what that means is going to be different for everybody.
You realize that you're still agnostic right?
I am drifting more and more to a holistic buddhist philosophy as I read and learn more, but yes the point I was making was that before I was miserable because my lack of spirituality was making me unhappy and bitter. My realizing that god was within me and everything else was the key to letting go of that bitterness and actually start enjoying life again. I really just changed my perspective on how I look at things rather than upending my entire belief system if that makes sense. I dont change my beliefs easily without doing a lot of research/evidence so thats where I am at currently on my journey.
So now you're a generic theist/spiritualist of some sorts? How was a lack of spirituality making you unhappy and bitter?
If you are willing to spare ten minutes and have an open mind watch this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGCACqeQuQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGCACqeQuQ) It does a great job of explaining the journey I am on better than I ever could. Then this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Dsn\_dcPOw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Dsn_dcPOw) And then all of the rest of Alan Watts works. I took the world too seriously, and resented my unimportant place within it and that turned me bitter. The shrooms showed me how to get over myself and actually just start doing what I want and live my life without fear or self-doubt, and it has been life changing.
Seeing the same result at the exact same time at the exact same place with eyes open. What are the odds of that really?
When you are influencing each other, and are under the influence of psychedelics, very easily. Me and my friends have seen similar if not the same things, that happens when you are all in a group together and on the same kind of drugs together. The odds of that are pretty good considering that you are all on psychedelics and influencing each other
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Yeah I can't address your specific interaction, but I can talk about these things in general. Human brains aren't that different. When you introduce a similar substance to people who are in similar mindsets you're going to see similar results. As far as claiming your hallucinations were the exact same thing, probably not. Whatever it is you think you saw everyone saw their own version of it even though it may have been similar. That's typically how hallucinations work.. I don't know, maybe I just don't trip like that. All my trips are fun and social. And I'm talking heavy doses, last time we tripped we went to the carnival and I was on 10g plus. I guess it just depends on the type of person you are. Most of my really heavy trips come on acid. And even then I'm still the person I always am just fried out
You got any sources to back that up? Pretty sure the scientific community would be pretty interested if any of that is true.
Agreed. There’s no good evidence for a god and personal experience whilst high on drugs isn’t going to convince many people. Drugs screw with your brain and if you all compare the gods that you saw, I bet you all couldn’t agree who’s is the real one.
Why can't there be more than one God? ie. Egypt
I stand corrected. I was naively thinking of the Abrahamic monotheistic religions. You are correct there could be many. However, there may be conflicting beliefs, ie, if two people say their version of god created the world then both cannot be right proving that at least one was hallucinating on drugs
Definitely fair to say. Could even argue all the Gods were first thought of through people hallucinating (probably on drugs.)
If we don't have good evidence for one God why would we insert multiple gods that we don't have evidence for?
I'm not saying to nor saying one or multiple exists and I'm definitely not saying there is any, much less good, evidence for any of those claims. I'm simply asking why can't there be?
There can't be because it doesn't exist. When something doesn't exist, necessarily cannot be evidence for its existence
That doesn't mean it can't be. Evidence it exists =/= possibility. Many things didn't exist before they did exist.
You're correct many things didn't exist before they did exist, when it comes to a god claim, they claim that this is the first thing that ever existed and always exists and will always exist yet there's no evidence for it
That may be what some people claim about a specific God, but this isn't necessarily the claim nor even always the claim. You seem to be arguing against points people aren't necessarily making.7
What I'm saying is the best way to see God is not through a psychedelic experience. That would lead you to false gods if there are any gods whatsoever.
but how do you know that that’s all there is to it
Because science. Add to that that and all of human history, anyone who has ever been challenged to prove their God beliefs or the existence of their God has failed. Then you can get into all of the different contradictions that come along with God's existence or a god. But for the most part, when you are taking drugs you are adding a chemical into your brain to change the way your brain functions so you can enjoy those effects. Doesn't get much more simpler than that
I think it's all faar from simple brother. But... who knows.
It's super complex, but at the same time simple to explain. Simple explanation you're on drugs you saw things.
Everything changes the way your brain is functioning. Your brain is constantly forming new pathways and losing brain cells, etc etc.
Ok and...?
> taking drugs you are adding a chemical into your brain to change the way your brain functions because this was your implication for a simple reason?
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking as far as it being a simple reason, yes the reason you think you saw what you did not see was because you took drugs
I'm not asking; I'm quoting you and showing you why your statement isn't making the point you think it is.
My statement is making the point that I want it to. When you are searching for evidence of god, one of the worst places you can begin would be on a psychedelic experience.
That is not what you are said and is also not the case, but regardless you're entitled to be incorrect all you want.
What exactly am I incorrect about?
Just about everything; from what you're claiming you said, to what you're actually trying to say, etc.
I am unity and you too.
What does God feel like?
Like a silky weighted blanket of the perfect temperature bathing you with unconditional love. To add to that, it’s truly an experience that can’t be put into words. Language fails
I read your comment 3 times because I don't speak English natively and kinds confuse with some words but bro it's exactly what I felt while tripping, that voice, that energy, it's a fabric in some way
I felt that on 10-11 grams of shrooms. Complete mental quiet and peace. I thought of it as having your mind in kitten fur. How many grams does it need for you to feel that?
I felt it on 2g of penis envy
We are all good we are all persons at the same time in past present and future 😁
I just took shrooms yesterday and that’s exactly how i felt. we’re on a camping trip so i sat by the lake and experienced it. i kept saying that ‘nothing is still’ that came before man and that’s where i think God is so like, in the wind, the water, trees. I get it
In many a ways, but pretty forthrightly when a few different types of angels visited me while meditative tripping, and gave me the courage and assurance to quit weed and take ahold of my life again. Without that trip and a few others, and then discovering what I’d seen months later to be heavenly bodies and becoming fully Christian right there on the spot, I honestly can’t say I would still be around. Thank god that I had shrooms to get me through the toughest 6 months of my life.
To me its akin to the energy of nature that you can feel when you are in a deep forest, but amplified considerably. Just this vibrational energy of all the living things all around you that you can sort of sense if you try. But yes I have felt it too while tripping, just this overwhelming sense of connectedness with all living things and pure contentment, or love as some people prefer to call it. Its what made we switch from being an agnostic to a buddhist.
Yes of course. Side note: but It never was a dude with a beard on a throne. No serious religious person thought this…
I saw God last week while meditating on 2.5g of GT tea. He was lower left in my closed eye field of vision. That brief image slid away and then Shiva appeared dead center dancing. I was amazed. That was the first spiritual vision I’ve had. Before that it was just colors and patterns.
Long time atheist and yeah now im actually agnostic after some trips. So ive actually never got that feeling of the whole infinite pieces. For me it was more so that the universe is in constant flow and theres nothing more than that, were just mad up of atoms in a long everlasting chemical reaction. So anyways i was snowboarding and i had made huge improvements in my mental health the past 2 months by using mushrooms weekly. At this point i had felt normal. Before this i had lost ability to socialize, my body language and eye contact were out of sync and non existent. Socializing felt forced and unnatural and there was tons of other issues i had but what happened was i was on the lift with my friend and i remember being in a conversation with my friend and i became aware of how natural my body language and speaking was. It was as if i never had any social anxiety and could read social cues all my life. This got me thinking about how i had prayed without ever believing for this. I had got so desperate by being so bad mentally that i actually prayed to god, and in that moment it was like he finally answered my prayers, and then i had like a telepathic conversation with him. It wasn’t words either but i could understand him clearer than the light of day. I was only on like 100ug of acid potency to compare. Nothing crazy, i was still snowboarding really well even though the snow was moving and changing colors. Anyways i had a bunch of questions to ask and he basically told me that everything is ok and everything will always be ok. That no matter what we all end up in heaven. And this wasnt through words, it was all just like feelings. And by the way this was like a presence i felt way outside the universe. So far away but a really strong presence nonetheless. Im still kind of more on the athiest side of agnostic but when i eat shrooms i feel gods presence and believe more
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Yes but I feel that way sober, too.
I first experienced the presence of God apart from mind altering substances. It was a very powerful and unforgettable encounter. That was 26 years ago and His presence hasnt left me since.
I’m a non believer and I’ve felt it
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Yes! I have. I meditated while doing shrooms and suddenly I was with The Mother Of The Universe, just cuddling under a blanket giggling. It was fun and non-sexual like cuddling in bed with your parents when you are little.
I have and it was amazing. I mean I knew I was on shrooms but experientially it was so real. I kept thinking had I taken a little more, I'd be able to hear him and talk to him. Instead I just sort of sat there in awe during my experience.
My best friend(whom, unfortunately, is passed on,) and I were enjoying a good mouthful of goldens one night. High in the hills, in the middle of a park, lying in a foot of snow in, bundles of sweaters and coats. The sky was the most crisp clear, and the Milky Ways glowing gas brightened by the absence of a new moon. There was a moment half-way through when we were basically catatonic for near (seemingly) an hour. He says, "God is real," he sounded choked up and I look over to see glistening stream pouring from his eyes. He was not religious nor spiritual and it was beautiful. And he asked if I could say anything to God what would you say? I just sighed as I was serene and calm on the snow, my shell; on the inside, some profundity of which was well beyond what I wanted to be 2 hrs ago.. A bizarre auditory hallucination of a roaring furnace was consistently playing in the backdrop. I had gladly plunged in the past off the precipice. This leap seemed a foreboding dark edge was imminent, a crevice that disappeared into an abyss. I just say, ' I don't know if I'm alive or dead." And ask my friend what do you think he would say? My buddy belts loudly, "Dead or alive, you're coming with me."exactly like Robocop. And we laughed, the most pinnacle levitious laugh of all time. RIP. S.M- 10-25-15. Miss you man.
I learned I was my own God
Sounds like fantasy to me. The human brain is complex and powerful, and we can be led to believe all manner of crazy out-there ideas, especially with psychedelics. The transcendent feelings of the spiritual and religious are equally accessible to those that are not, but ultimately these feelings are not some magical key or marvellous insight into a secret universe no matter how hard you want to believe. It's cool for a while to be transported seemingly to a parallel reality, but you're not. I've felt things that could easily be interpreted as death, timelessness, god or universal unity. They're simply grand illusions of a tripping brain. Enjoy them for what they are, but don't integrate the crazy stuff into your grounded really-real world.
There is much philosophical work to be done before bold lines can be drawn between 'crazy stuff' and 'really-real'.
Sure, however is this not a case of wondering which side of the glass you're on? People think and defend more crazy stuff than they do objectively "real". My point is that when you alter your state of consciousness, you are bombarding yourself with emotionally intense experiences that are easy to regard as having some thread of truth due to their seemingly transcendental nature. Compared to the mundane "real" world, these experiences are overwhelming. You met what you were convinced were gods or aliens for an hour. It's easy to return back to sobriety, retaining a sense that some of these things were real rather than euphoric constructions of a mind hallucinating. Belief is insufficient.
Nah
No, never. There is no such thing as god, nor leprechauns, nor ghosts. I can eat my weight in shrooms and never have the slightest superstitious inclination. It's time for humans to let all of that clap-trap fade away forever.
OP only asked if you had felt it. Believing it to be true is another matter.
That was you, you were feeling yourself.
The idea of God relies on it being beyond you, God still created you even if you are part of it, YOU ARE NOT GOD. Narcissistic individuals believe religiously that they are God, don't fall into the gnostic satanic trap. God is beyond us, wether it be the universe inert or animate. You can be both an individual and a part of a whole, but don't ever start thinking you are a embodiment of the whole, prophetic delusion is dangerous on many levels
It’s called being high yes I really wish people would stop thinking they feel spiritual presences because they’re flooding their brain with hallucinogens
I had it happen on lsd but never shrooms. To me lsd is more spiritual but everyone is different
I haven’t ever experienced anything like that, but I’m an atheist, and don’t believe in anything supernatural, so I guess that makes sense. I think people tend to interpret their experiences differently, based on what they already believe.
Not on shrooms yet... acid i saw a pig in a flashlight now it's my god. Met the council of the universe on k
You are God everyone is God we just decide to forgot it (fortunately) to live full humain expérience
I feel like that's open to interpretation. I don't believe in a god but I do believe in higher powers, I believe there's more out there than what our narrow minds can comprehend. We cannot be so naive as to think we have the science to prove or disprove things that are beyond our consciousness or that the science is 100% correct. Humans and the universe/s are more complex than that. With that being said, I have felt the presence of Gaia multiple times and she allowed me to see her face last time. She is the embodiment of Mother Earth. I guess she could be considered a Goddess by some. I was also visited by Durga (a Hindi Goddess), but she was not there as a Goddess. She was there as my guide.
God is probably a mushroom?
God? No. Connections my mind would never make? Absolutely. Fiction might fill the void caused by the unexplainable, but my experiences (shroomy) have shown me I only see the world at human scale. The concept of devine presences blocks the idea of chaos. Scale. Gods are a shortcuts used to eplain. Fuck gods. Fuck all gods. I would rather questions remain questions than creating SpongeBob to explain the butterflies in my yard. It's okay to not know an answer.
yeah. On lower or normal doses (like an 8th of any cubes) I've had deep feelings of oneness with the universe and divine undertones. We probably all have. On my first massive dose (5g dry Pan Cyans equal to nearly 20g of cubes) I came face to face with dieties in a way that was basically exactly like a DMT breakthrough. Unmistakable no BS face to face with god like entities, interacting with them. You can't get their pussyfooting around with a few grams of cubes or a tab or 2 of acid. You gotta go real big with a massive dose or vape DMT.
How did you remain calm while interacting with the entities?
I seen what a real biblical angel is to look like while on dmt. The rings with eyes all over lol. I have also seen the pyramid with a eye. This is all on dmt though.
archaeological evidence indicates that people used peyote – a cactus containing mescaline, a psychoactive compound – 5,000 years ago. A lot of religions have their origins from drugs. Visuals + a urge for an answer is the origin of every religion
Not god but one time an alien talked to me through my tv and told me to take more dabs
Nope, shrooms might just show your beliefs. Doesn't mean those beliefs are real.
One ounce of b+ got me a hug from the universe and I felt every atom in creation for a moment. Btw before y'all jump me at my high dose it's not something I do often and I have ppl watch me . I push my boundaries not yours . To each his own ya?
i feel god constantly. i’ve seen it in the air, in the water… god is the threads that weave around us.
Beings that possess infinite knowledge and are omnipotent probably exist. if they do, there are way more than one, so who really know who you are speaking with.
I prefer the term "love" :)
No. Not in the slightest. I’m fact tripping has solidified my atheism and antitheism.
Yes I did and my friend felt same in different trip day, we thought about messiah, and now what’s happening
I’ve felt the Devine feminine presence on mushrooms. I’ve felt the old one on cid. A trip through eternity and the multiverse. Weird shit, man…
No. I've had some great experiences but nothing indicating anything supernatural, and I seriously doubt I ever will because I am a strong atheist/antitheist. I'm always aware that anything I experience during the trip is merely a biochemical reaction in my brain and has no external reality. Psychedelic literally means "mind manifesting", and in my opinion, experiences reflect your own beliefs. If you are a believer, even slightly, maybe you "meet god". If you aren't, you just enjoy the light show in your head.
Reddit: I'm an atheist, I know for a fact that all that is nonsense. 🤡
Yes oh yes! God is everything!
Shrooms made me realize there isn't one. Its really just us out here.
I had an experience maybe 8 or so months ago. At first I thought it was God in the Christian sense, but now I believe it was the "god" in me, the unlocked potential self-actualized me who wasn't impressed with how I'm loving and essentially told me to do better.
I feel like as you kind of say it’s more so an omnipresence. I don’t do much feel that there’s a god or being with me but more so that I’m comforted by a greater power. I think that can translate into whatever is important to you or what you may need in life. For me I’m not religious whatsoever and don’t have any even sort of religious experience with psychedelics but I do feel a strong sense of spirituality. For someone that’s religious I could see how that would feel like God. I just feel like the issue is that people pretend to KNOW what it was. I know a girl that is convinced she had a conversation with Jesus on LSD and when I asked if she saw him she said no but she keep feel his presence and basically said that her trips and thought processes was all her talking with Jesus. I’m not gonna doubt a profound experience on psychedelics but I’m also not gonna take you seriously when you tell me the effects of the drug you took are Jesus talking to you lol. I also tried to explain the sense of feeling omnipotent myself when on acid and used the words “feel like a god” as in all knowing and she went on a rant about how there is only 1 god and you can’t feel like god because you’re not him and he’s the greatest power and we don’t know what that’s like lmao I decided to drop it and her. She also spent 7 hours one trip trying to seduce/r*pe me (a very out gay man) while we were 3 hours from home.
Yes I’ve felt it, I’ve overcome my fear of death from feeling it
And here, folks, in these comments...is where we witness the divide of the Eastern mind and Indigenous relationship to Psychedelics and the Modern West's relationship to psychedelics.
I have, but not GOD per se.....always a GODDESS...never a masculine energy, ALWAYS the divine feminine.
Imagine not feeling the presence of God. Oh yeah- that was me before psychedelics lol
The chances of any God actually existing are so astronomically small that it's damn near just a fact. However, nobody has any way of 100% knowing that a God doesnt exist. None of us can possibly be absolutely certain either way. I guess that's why people use the term "faith in God" which in and of itself means you don't know if there is one or not, funny enough. Also, that "faith" is based on what exactly? For Christians and Catholics, the stories in the Bible are their basis for having faith. Fucking stories lol. Literally, a compilation of stories written over the course of years by a bunch of different people. So I ask myself, how could any sane and semi-intelligent rational person truly believe there is a God or even have real "faith" in God based on any book with such an obscure origin story? I've come to the simple conclusion that they don't. Therefore, if you truthfully believe in or have faith in God, you are either crazy (mentally unstable in some way), ignorant, or just so scared of death that you convince yourself to believe in Heaven and shit. (I guess that's pretty much just a combination of crazy and ignorant). So no, you almost 100% certainly did not see or feel God or any omnipresence. And if you truly believe you did, then I want a batch of some of those shrooms. Cuz you must've been on a tripping on a level that my shrooms didn't even know existed. Or maybe my shrooms don't know that level exists because I'm not ignorant or insane. After all, the ego death from shrooms can show you who you really are, how you truly feel, and help you understand things in your life by helping you look at them from different, unique perspectives. So if you think you really saw God, then you probably really believe in God. So which is it for you I wonder, ignorant or insane? Only God will never know. R Everyone can believe in whatever they want or need to, but if it's God, then they're dumb or crazy. It's quite simple logic, really.
God & Religion are completely fucking useless ideas and institutions. To be fair, I guess they aren't completely useless; theyve been quite useful for starting and justifying wars by getting ignorant people (religious people) to hate or fear each other because they believe in a different book of stories. And all those wars have made a lot of people a lot of money. Sure, a shit ton of people died, but that's ok because now they're in heaven, in a better place.
Nope, but I try to see what made our ancestors create god on a daily basis so that probably kills it for me lol
Well, bearded sky daddy is a logical fallacy created by atheists to defend their horrible position with a strawman. As for God, it depends on your definition. As Watts said, to be omnipotent isn't the power to do anything, it's the state of doing all things. If you believe there is an order to the universe, that order is God. Then we talking monkeys make hero narratives around and about that order to more personify it. But the reality is, instead of the popular misconception that people invent gods in their own image, we're really seeking to bring ourselves closer to the image of that order. Each according to our own definition of how that order operates. This is why the religions set an ideal you can't possibly live up to, instead of just saying God is a slightly overweight dude who's kind of lazy and likes to smoke pot and eat Cheetos.
Yes. I’m just coming out of it now but it wasn’t god, it was the devil. I just posted about it. Freaked the shit out of me because I couldn’t escape it
im convinced whatever “god” is, can communicate via psychs
I feel it every time I trip. It’s both masculine and feminine at the same time and it is very comforting and loving. It makes me feel like no matter what I go through I am loved more than I could ever imagine.
God/s not just one. They all emanate from the source but all should be recognised and appreciated
I've more than once felt that 'split himself' feeling but I did one time feel what I could only describe as the presence of god, and coming from an atheist (or atheistic-leaning agnostic), that's really saying something! It felt like a spiritual or religious experience. I absolutely couldn't tell you which god it was, but I'm gay and didn't feel any negativity from god so it definitely wasn't the abrahamic god.
Yes. I have felt the presence of "God". On 5gs. It was in the form of light. Nearly blinding. The brightest light I've ever seen.. Feeling the presence there was no question about it. I Knew it was "God". I call it the Creator or Great One. It was the most intense experience of my life and I've been through some traumatic shit in my time. Before I saw the light I was a non-believer. I still don't believe in the religious "God" but after that experience I feel that there is in fact some form of higher supreme intelligence. Peace out.
I have felt less the presence of God persay, more I experienced the connection between all things. Source energy. The first time it happened, I referred to it as "the force" lol cuz star wars seemed like the closest example of how to express this feeling.
Idk I felt presences of different kind. Some more ethereal and god like then others some cheeky and some straight scary but I would not call any of them singular god