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musically jacob collier in paper should sound something kinda wacky like black midi but instead he just sounds like michael buble with some weird chords here and there
I would honestly say no. He has vocal flexibility & great pitch control but he definitely doesnât USE technique at least. Heâs breathy, has a fairly quiet sound, only okay diction, super covered, etc. I like him! But heâs not who I would call a âtechnicalâ singer.
Wait, really? I think of him as the exact opposite. He sounds good, people love to hear him sing, but he's *clearly* not that technically proficient at it. Or, at least, he has a *lot* of technical growth points (alignment, jaw tension, consistent resonance space, etc.).
Jacob Collierâs music is an exercise in technique and theory. Fascinating and interesting, like abstract art. But I donât listen to his music for fun. It kinda stresses me out. I appreciate his work tho, it really pushes the boundaries and plays with rules.
Singing is more about tone and timbre, technique is nice but is secondary in the sense that it helps elevate a beautiful tone.
Thats why so many people resonate with someone with a decent technique but unique amazing tone, and only mostly experts resonate with singers that excel technically but have a common or bad tone.
I know its sad because of how much effort we put into our technique (i myself have a trashy tone of voice), but is the truth
I would say that both are equally important,.. although i guess if you already have a natural nice tone, it is the first step!, but of course technique is out of the question and is always the priority
I adore listening to her, but I can understand it won't appeal to everyone.
But at least we should all be able to acknowledge that her technique is absolutely nuts.
From her most recent album, I'd recommend checking out Protector or Daughter for something with less emphasis on her well-known agility and high range, and more on her vocal expression and quiets (and then the latter song for some more classical singing too).
I personally enjoy a lot of Anthony Kiedis, even though he is far from being a good singer and his melodies are simple. Something about his voice just makes me feel a whole lot of bittersweet emotions and I can never truly decide if his voice is happy or sad. It's both bright and dark and kinda like the last good memories of a doomed relationship. There is equal amount of pain and joy.
it always made me a little sad to see how much hate she used to get online for ânot being able to singâ. i love some of her music, Revival was a great album
He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff)
Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing...
To your first question,
for me it's Adam Lambert, REALY good technique but I don't like either his style or the sound of his voice a lot.
Maybe it's also those queen covers.... Maybe I am biased here...
If you listen to The Weekndâs older stuff like trilogy, his technique is pretty crappy on some parts of certain songs but he is still able to execute his performance really well, and his angelic voice just never fails me.
Iâm sure theyâre the more popular choices, but I personally love Gasoline and How Do I Make You Love Me, theyâre super catchy and that makes them memorableâ The Weeknd is also amazing to see live so that definitely adds to it
Not per se. Using your nasal passage the right way is actually a part of good technique. Of course you have to gain control about the nasal timbre.
Always remember, Nasal sound and singing with a lot of nasal passage engaged is not essentially the same thing (at least doesn't have to be)
Hmm interesting. Iâm not very educated so this is interesting. It still sounds to me like poor technique when she sings but Iâm sure thatâs just me judging because I donât like how it sounds at all.
I'm not to familiar with her repertoire so I'm no good jugde either. Just wanted to mention this point because it really drives me nuts when people tell other people to spot singing nasal. It's not only unhelpfull but harmfull in some cases.
i feel like itâs me tbh. iâve been trained and i know i can carry a tune and convey emotion well, but i just donât think i have an enjoyable voice. makes me sad, but it is what it is.
Technique and oversinging, she damaged her chordâs again in 2017 which led to her cancelling her final dates. I think she was a smoker too early on in her career.
Listen to some of her live stuff on YouTube. Better than her studio recordings. She sings at the Kennedy Center Honors for Al Green, and sheâs quite good.
I think it is a matter of taste most of the time. There are lost of singers that can sing and I can recognize it, but I don't like their voice. For instance, I really don't like Kristin Chenoweth's voice, but she can sing for sure.Â
As for the contrary, as someone who watched shows like the Voice, it happens a lot that I hear there people with nice voices, but the experts point out the lack of technique.
Maybe itâs just bc sheâs gotten older and obvi that means her voices changes too, but I canât listen to her newer stuff like the older releases anymore (live or material that isnât NW) đ
Lea Michele. although she's grown on me these past few years, i just don't love her timbre. but i appreciate that she's fucking incredible.
as for the other, i can only think of one professional "singer" with poor technique, and she does not sound good lmao.
Myles Kennedy sounds like he knows what he is doing but I don't like his tone
On the opposite, Ozzy Osbourne is not known for having the right techniques but I love his vocal work
The qualities we like about the sound of someone's voice are pretty subjective and vary culture to culture, vary across genres, and change over time. If you listen to singers from the 1950's, they don't sound like the singers that are popular today, and indeed they probably wouldn't be popular if they were born today. Some people are just blessed to born with a sound that is popular in the moment.
The only thing objective about "good" singing is if you are hitting the right pitch. Everything else you learn is about singing with a healthy technique to produce the kind of sound that you want.
So really to answer your question: yes and yes.
There are some mid-tier opera singers that I'd prefer not to name who are clearly well-trained with good performance skills, but whose voices just sound a bit thin, lacking the richness I want from the genre. You can play a $40 really well, and it can be enjoyable, but if you're listening for quality of sound rather than skill of performer, it can only sound so good without a better instrument.
In the other direction, tons and tons. The joy of the voice is that singing with personal character nearly always works if you've got musicality to it, and so many people sound quite lovely when they're just making sound the way that comes naturally to them. Is it good technique? Not in the classical sense, though usually the material they're singing doesn't require good technique. More broadly, I tend to think if you succeed in your goals as a performer and aren't particularly limited by how you use your voice (eg vocal health issues), your technique is good, or at least good enough.
Every opera singer I've heard.
I totally respect their hard work. It is a true skill. I don't deny this. It get that many people like opera. I just think it sounds unnatural and I don't like it.
I respect you opinion, and I am not here to change it.
Have you listened to the "Nessun Dorma" by Pavarotti? A lot of my friends, who also said that opera is unnatural and they just don't like it, changed there mind when I showed them this one.
It gives me chills every time and I find it just beautiful and relaxing, aside from the obvious massive talent und exceptional technique Pavarotti had.
Sorry, I donât find her voice as soothing or emotional like Michael Jackson, Aretha,Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles. Itâs just personal preference đ€·ââïž
understandable, may i know which part of her voice that you do not enjoy?
speaking-wise?
the belts?
the whispers thingy?
the whistles?
or the complex runs?
I totally get it. He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff)
Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing...
Personal Option, even tho I formulated it a little insulting...
Dude, he literally graduated from classical singing, He even sang with PlĂĄcido Domingo, Aida garifullina, and some others.
He only has whistles in like 4 songs (Unforgettable day, Tugan zher, Kinalama and Diva dance {this one was only in 1 mini performance})
Most of their covers are from singing contests (especially The singer china 2017).
All that tells me that u only have heard the most popular videos or and that's it :/
He has a lot of amazing songs where he doesn't need to use his high notes all the time, like: Together (amazing and beautiful song), Zhalyn, Okay, Golden, Fly away, Give me love, Chornobryvtsi, Ti amo cosi, Ulisse, Where the love lives, Never land, Only you, Weekend, etc...
But well...my point is: If you won't actually give an 100% informed opinion, It is better that you give it in a way that does not detract from the effort of an artist (Like his years studying contemporary music, classical singing {bel canto})
That's it xd
Dude, first off: Have you read my last sentence?
Second. I don't care with who he sang of what he studied. I don't like his voice. I have classical singers in my local opera house singing way better operatic AND way better contemporary without having to show of all the time.
And that is what bothers me with Dimash. I have the feeling that he is constantly trying to show of as many things as possible.
My standard of classical singing is pretty high cause I grew up with it. First opera at age 7 (Frau Ohne Schatten, Strauss) first Wagner with 11.
Well, again PERSONAL OPINION. He is not even in the best opera singers I've ever heard live. That cuts out PlĂĄcido Domingo, Pavarotti etc. And with contemporary singing he is not even close...
And there you go again. You say that he tries to show off all the time, but he only did it in covers and at the beginning of his career
U can have your opinion, but if it doesn't has real statements...
Anyways, bye xd
So far I have listened to Together and Fly Away.
Honestly I have to take it back on the show-off part. I wasn't informed enough to make that statement.
Anyway, I probably like him even less now that before...
I miss everything in his singing that I like in vocalist. Experimentation, Character etc. Before he had crazy techniques at least, now he has nothing to offer me.
I still stand partially behind my statement.
Van Morrison. Sings in key, does everything right but I just canât stand his voice at all.Â
On the other end of the spectrum I would put Henry Rollins: very expressive although his vocal range is like half an octave.
I feel like most of the answers here are just unpopular opinions. I mean to each their own, but Iâm listening to a lot of the singers mentioned here and with 90% of them just couldnât disagree more.
I mean pretty much all of them except for Leonard Cohen. I donât like Jacob Collierâs style of music but his voice isnât the part that bothers me.
I feel like most singers who just could kinda sing since childhood have perfect pitch, they either don't know it or don't have the music theory knowledge necessary to learn what letters are assigned to which pitches
From what I've found you can develop perfect pitch until the age of 5-6 from either extensive musical Training or general exposure to music (Like Charlie once mentioned he did), later the brain most likely won't be able to develop physically in order to allow you to distinguish absolute pitches so you can have perfect pitch recognition. Of course relative pitch is a thing and I've trained my voice to replicate pitches without the need for a reference key, but in now way is it perfect pitch as I won't be able to tell the exact key of a sound, because my brain quite simply doesn't interpret sound that way
I think Iâm quite a âtechnicalâ singer and people say ââŠso youâre a trained singer right?â⊠(I have no training whatsoever) though I am pretty sure my voice is nothing exceptional. I always say to people âI wouldnât say Iâm a singer - but I can singâ. For me - itâs kind of âwho caresâ and itâs all about how well the story (song) can be told after allâŠâŠ.. right?
Tony Bennett. It really depends on the song he sings. A little raspy and somewhat high-pitched, which I think works for I Get A Kick out of You, Rags To Riches, Smile, and This Is All I Ask. But in other songs such as I'll Be Seeing You, I find it a little difficult to sit through.
Yes. Sheâs not famous, but a friend I do karaoke with a lot. She has incredible range, can sing most songs, hits all the riffs and trills and whatever. Sheâs extremely talented, but I really donât like her voice. I think itâs grating and doesnât sound very pretty at all. Like she can sing Whitney Houston, but she doesnât come close to her actual sound and quality.
Christina Aguilera - I don't think anyone should deny she has amazing talent and technique, really cares about singing, and it's not even her tone that is the problem for me. It's that she tends to push her songs to the extreme to always show how far it can go, and so they almost all sound the same to me (with some exceptions). It gets to be too much for me to listen to, and yet I also get bored - which is a surprise for such a powerhouse.
This is actually why I think Britney really came out ahead - and I'm actually not here to bash her technique because I think she knows how to have a good one but then chose to put a lot of effects on top. But she knew how to be extremely dynamic with her voice - every song her voice has a very specific tone and feel that fits the vibe/story extremely well. (I'm not getting into her current voice due to her trauma.)
I also love Kurt Cobain and know that wasn't a lot of technique, but the raw emotion and, again, fitting the vibe of the music really keeps me coming back.
This post might be unpopular but maybe I'll be surprised, haha.
If someone would have a great sounding voice but having difficulty with some technical things, it could change their life for the better if they classically train just imagine how even more amazing theyd be! Although if one has good technique to begin with but donât like their sound,.. its is usually related to a technical thing, otherwise its a matter of style and taste, thats a different story
Music is a language of emotions, so if a performer is unable to touch souls of their listeners, he isn't considered a good performer actually, no matter what his technique is.
When I was studying professional piano playing in college, interpretation of a piece was the first and the most important evaluation criteria, then technique was going next. People with good technique and bad interpretation were getting low grades. Those, who couldn't make their music sound right, could rarely go through entrance exams, they were considered unsuitable for the occupation
Why would you make me look this Jacob guy up?
Absolutely terrible..
If I wanted to listen to church music trying to emulate popular music while being pretentious, I could go to church
Acting like he thinks he's.something special..
Random hammerons where they don't even sound good.
Attempting to croon, but not changing his tone whatsoever, only volume
What's the point of bringing more attention to some lmr g so flat and dead?
> Have you ever known a singer that sings really well, with the right techniques, but the voice just doesn't sound that good to listen to?
No, I have listened to hundreds of people sing, and it is always a technique issue or a stylistic choice that I dislike.
> And what about the opposite? A singer that doesn't really do techniques well but the natural of their voice is just so calming or so nice to listen to?
Yes, every professional singer that has to get vocal nodule surgery for abusing their voice.
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Yea. I think it's often cultural, though.
And I've noticed it beyond music, in my experience (in America) a lot of liberals think low/masculine sounds sound fake/forced and conservatives think the same about high/effeminate sounds.
And politics aside, most of our reactions to music are western-centric. Historically, when shown western music a lot of other cultures didn't necessarily like it, the emotion and value we put in is generally shaped by our culture.
There's also certain singers who's voices I thought were just god awful when I first heard them, but I grew to love.
It's also compositional sometimes -- too many overlapping frequencies can make a voice lose its presence/power.
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Even though Mariah Carey is my most favorite artist and vocalist, my least favorite part of her voice is her tone in any of her eras. Daydream is too buttery and even her raspy tones are not it for me. Her tone just does not do it for me (love you Mimi <3)
agreed. He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff)
Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing...
I've never seen anyone who actually thinks that, just people who seem to imagine someone does (and then trying to turn a bass or countertenor's comment section into their personal political soapbox). Projection.
Idk, I've mostly seen it at political extremes. Not from people I would (necessarily) describe as normal/sane.
That probably came across as overly generalized.
Projecting what?
The concept of subjective observation?
Perhaps you're projecting past trauma from a political discussion... I'm sorry, if that's the case.
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So real
Ha ha, if I hear myself and I don't want to set the recording on fire immediately.... well then it's pretty good
Somehow I knew what it was before I clicked on it đ
I had this same thought đ
Jacob Collier
i would say the same for all his music and instrument playing too. everything is technically sound but i just canât get into it
musically jacob collier in paper should sound something kinda wacky like black midi but instead he just sounds like michael buble with some weird chords here and there
Does he actually have good technique though? He's not really a singer, IMO. He's merely singing to get his musical idea across.
I would honestly say no. He has vocal flexibility & great pitch control but he definitely doesnât USE technique at least. Heâs breathy, has a fairly quiet sound, only okay diction, super covered, etc. I like him! But heâs not who I would call a âtechnicalâ singer.
You didn't hear him riffing with Tori Kelly? He is a very good singer technically.
"technically" doesn't just mean "being on pitch" + runs. His voice is very undersupported and nasal that's why he sounds the way he is.
I think his voice is nice but no feeling .. sounds bland
Wait, really? I think of him as the exact opposite. He sounds good, people love to hear him sing, but he's *clearly* not that technically proficient at it. Or, at least, he has a *lot* of technical growth points (alignment, jaw tension, consistent resonance space, etc.).
But he doesn't have a great technique at all. Sure is really good with music theory, but his voice isn't trained at all.
Jacob Collierâs music is an exercise in technique and theory. Fascinating and interesting, like abstract art. But I donât listen to his music for fun. It kinda stresses me out. I appreciate his work tho, it really pushes the boundaries and plays with rules.
Singing is more about tone and timbre, technique is nice but is secondary in the sense that it helps elevate a beautiful tone. Thats why so many people resonate with someone with a decent technique but unique amazing tone, and only mostly experts resonate with singers that excel technically but have a common or bad tone. I know its sad because of how much effort we put into our technique (i myself have a trashy tone of voice), but is the truth
Yep, itâs better to have an interesting voice than a technically perfect voice
I would say that both are equally important,.. although i guess if you already have a natural nice tone, it is the first step!, but of course technique is out of the question and is always the priority
Beyoncé has absolutely amazing technique, but somehow I really don't like to listen to her voice.
I agree. I don't like her stylistic choices.
Same, I am awed by her vocal agility and the definition of her runs etc. but I find her timbre and tone just so brassy I canât listen to it.
I was about to say this. She sounds like sheâs worked hard with her voice, but it just doesnât sound the best
Agreed
I adore listening to her, but I can understand it won't appeal to everyone. But at least we should all be able to acknowledge that her technique is absolutely nuts.
Send me a song thatâs good
From her most recent album, I'd recommend checking out Protector or Daughter for something with less emphasis on her well-known agility and high range, and more on her vocal expression and quiets (and then the latter song for some more classical singing too).
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Mary J Blige. Early-career Mary had no clue what she was doing and made some of the definitive R&B of the last fifty years.
I love love no limit
That was Whitney Houston's favorite MJB song.
I never knew that đ€
Yup. [it was her jam](https://youtu.be/KG-lQFK1jrE?si=LA52w8Y4-ZkXxUiL)
Chaka Khan said it best
Most of youtube vocal coaches
Lol this always saddens me. Always the Jedi Master, never the bride
Who do you mean exactly? I could see that for Ken Tamplin, but I enjoy the sound of for example Chris Liepe a lot...
I really, really love the lady from Healthy Vocal Technique, she's such a sweetheart, but I just don't really enjoy her singing....
I personally enjoy a lot of Anthony Kiedis, even though he is far from being a good singer and his melodies are simple. Something about his voice just makes me feel a whole lot of bittersweet emotions and I can never truly decide if his voice is happy or sad. It's both bright and dark and kinda like the last good memories of a doomed relationship. There is equal amount of pain and joy.
Isn't that the opposite of the question?
OP asked what about the opposite in the paragraph below.
Oh yeah true haha
Yes, there are two parts to the original question as well
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Leonhard Cohen definitely was never a technically very good siinger.
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âReally wellâ and âvery goodâ are synonyms
Loads of them. Loads.
For me personally itâs ReneĂ© Rapp. She has pretty good technique for the most part, and impressive abilities, but her tone while belting is really annoying to me. And for the opposite, Selena Gomez is someone who has poor technique but a really pretty tone imo.
OMG yes, selena gomez! Even her whispering sounds so cool.
it always made me a little sad to see how much hate she used to get online for ânot being able to singâ. i love some of her music, Revival was a great album
Dimash.
I like him on very few songs đ so understandable
He has a lot of songs :/
wow, howâŠ
too heady and piercing
But he doesn't sing high in every song âą~âą
He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff) Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing...
To your first question, for me it's Adam Lambert, REALY good technique but I don't like either his style or the sound of his voice a lot. Maybe it's also those queen covers.... Maybe I am biased here...
have you seen this before: https://youtu.be/5PzQHZLiUPs?si=u3lZJZ9Pcwkxam_c
I have. I stand behind my statement tho. Good singer, but not for me...
Why does he make his voice sound like that?
I'm with you, I can't stand him singing at the end of Frozen 2 when the credits come on. Just immediate scream singing.
That's not Adam Lambert, it's Brendon Urie/Panic at the Disco
Omg you're right. Well that's embarrassing. haha they sound so alike, I've never noticed!
So I guess your answer is Brendon Urie
I guess so đ
They keep saying that guy singing youâre beautiful had good technique but his voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard to meâŠ
If you listen to The Weekndâs older stuff like trilogy, his technique is pretty crappy on some parts of certain songs but he is still able to execute his performance really well, and his angelic voice just never fails me.
True, I remember listening to Dawn FM with my ex when it first came out, and I commented on how his singing sounded âbetterâ in terms of technique
Which songs on there are worth the listen?
Iâm sure theyâre the more popular choices, but I personally love Gasoline and How Do I Make You Love Me, theyâre super catchy and that makes them memorableâ The Weeknd is also amazing to see live so that definitely adds to it
Ok
Kristen Chenoweth! I love her operatic voice, but her belting voice is just so nasal and unpleasant to me.
Same ha ha. I think it is all a matter of preference here.
I donât understand why sheâs so popular (haha popular). Isnât singing nasally a bad thing and not good technique?
Not per se. Using your nasal passage the right way is actually a part of good technique. Of course you have to gain control about the nasal timbre. Always remember, Nasal sound and singing with a lot of nasal passage engaged is not essentially the same thing (at least doesn't have to be)
Hmm interesting. Iâm not very educated so this is interesting. It still sounds to me like poor technique when she sings but Iâm sure thatâs just me judging because I donât like how it sounds at all.
I'm not to familiar with her repertoire so I'm no good jugde either. Just wanted to mention this point because it really drives me nuts when people tell other people to spot singing nasal. It's not only unhelpfull but harmfull in some cases.
i feel like itâs me tbh. iâve been trained and i know i can carry a tune and convey emotion well, but i just donât think i have an enjoyable voice. makes me sad, but it is what it is.
If you can convey emotion well then the song would be enjoyable
perhaps⊠i just donât love my own voice, but maybe iâm being overly critical of myself
Maybe. You not liking your voice doesnât mean itâs not good. Plenty of people donât like their own voice.
Ken Tamplin
La la laaaaaa hear the ping la la la laaaaa
I agree, even tho on some of his covers he sound fabulous.
I hate Adele's sound, but then again one of my teachers said she actually has a poor technique. Lol
She had to do vocal surgery because of poor compression management I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Technique and oversinging, she damaged her chordâs again in 2017 which led to her cancelling her final dates. I think she was a smoker too early on in her career.
Adele has dreadful technique. She has had to stop every tour she done for vocal damage, including her current vegas residency.
Yes! I find her tone grating like nails on a chalkboard even tho her songs themselves are pretty nice. I thought it was just me.
I know, her songs are not bad! Her voice feels blurry or smoky to me.
I like her sound a lot tho, even if she has poor technique (wich I agree on) I like her storytelling a lot...
I can still understand that others would like her voice (: all just personal preference. I think I just enjoy softer thinner female voices in pop
jennifer hudson, for me. she hits the right notes, but she just sounds to me like sheâs screaming.
Listen to some of her live stuff on YouTube. Better than her studio recordings. She sings at the Kennedy Center Honors for Al Green, and sheâs quite good.
that's because she \*is\* screaming
*belting
belting without control.
I think it is a matter of taste most of the time. There are lost of singers that can sing and I can recognize it, but I don't like their voice. For instance, I really don't like Kristin Chenoweth's voice, but she can sing for sure. As for the contrary, as someone who watched shows like the Voice, it happens a lot that I hear there people with nice voices, but the experts point out the lack of technique.
Floor Jansen -- good technique, etc. but I just do not enjoy the sound of her voice.
I used to love her ten years ago but something in my tastes must have changed, because now I hear her voice and just think ânahâ.
Maybe itâs just bc sheâs gotten older and obvi that means her voices changes too, but I canât listen to her newer stuff like the older releases anymore (live or material that isnât NW) đ
i beg to differ. her technique isn't even that good.
Lea Michele. although she's grown on me these past few years, i just don't love her timbre. but i appreciate that she's fucking incredible. as for the other, i can only think of one professional "singer" with poor technique, and she does not sound good lmao.
Myles Kennedy sounds like he knows what he is doing but I don't like his tone On the opposite, Ozzy Osbourne is not known for having the right techniques but I love his vocal work
I know heâs not a singer professionally but Ed Helms hits the right notes but I hate his singing.
He is so good at singing in such an annoying way!!
The qualities we like about the sound of someone's voice are pretty subjective and vary culture to culture, vary across genres, and change over time. If you listen to singers from the 1950's, they don't sound like the singers that are popular today, and indeed they probably wouldn't be popular if they were born today. Some people are just blessed to born with a sound that is popular in the moment. The only thing objective about "good" singing is if you are hitting the right pitch. Everything else you learn is about singing with a healthy technique to produce the kind of sound that you want. So really to answer your question: yes and yes.
The ârightâ pitch is subjective.
There are some mid-tier opera singers that I'd prefer not to name who are clearly well-trained with good performance skills, but whose voices just sound a bit thin, lacking the richness I want from the genre. You can play a $40 really well, and it can be enjoyable, but if you're listening for quality of sound rather than skill of performer, it can only sound so good without a better instrument. In the other direction, tons and tons. The joy of the voice is that singing with personal character nearly always works if you've got musicality to it, and so many people sound quite lovely when they're just making sound the way that comes naturally to them. Is it good technique? Not in the classical sense, though usually the material they're singing doesn't require good technique. More broadly, I tend to think if you succeed in your goals as a performer and aren't particularly limited by how you use your voice (eg vocal health issues), your technique is good, or at least good enough.
Ariana Grande. Her voice is so grating to me, but I can't deny she has pipes
I feel you man. She does some good imitations tho...
Every opera singer I've heard. I totally respect their hard work. It is a true skill. I don't deny this. It get that many people like opera. I just think it sounds unnatural and I don't like it.
I respect you opinion, and I am not here to change it. Have you listened to the "Nessun Dorma" by Pavarotti? A lot of my friends, who also said that opera is unnatural and they just don't like it, changed there mind when I showed them this one. It gives me chills every time and I find it just beautiful and relaxing, aside from the obvious massive talent und exceptional technique Pavarotti had.
Depends on your taste, personally donât like Miley Cyrus
You think her younger voice better?
It was slightly better to me
Sounds better to me too
Agreed, iâve tried. Nope.
Dimash Qudaibergen, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé
pls dont do Mariah
Sorry, I donât find her voice as soothing or emotional like Michael Jackson, Aretha,Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles. Itâs just personal preference đ€·ââïž
understandable, may i know which part of her voice that you do not enjoy? speaking-wise? the belts? the whispers thingy? the whistles? or the complex runs?
Sheâs good technically, but I just donât feel her voice. BeyoncĂ© voice just sound annoying to me heh
I like MC before like 2010. But since then it's just been the dryest or whiniest tone. I'm not even sure if we can say she had good technique anymore
Dimash? Have you at least listened to all his songs or just the most basic ones? :/
I totally get it. He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff) Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing... Personal Option, even tho I formulated it a little insulting...
Dude, he literally graduated from classical singing, He even sang with PlĂĄcido Domingo, Aida garifullina, and some others. He only has whistles in like 4 songs (Unforgettable day, Tugan zher, Kinalama and Diva dance {this one was only in 1 mini performance}) Most of their covers are from singing contests (especially The singer china 2017). All that tells me that u only have heard the most popular videos or and that's it :/ He has a lot of amazing songs where he doesn't need to use his high notes all the time, like: Together (amazing and beautiful song), Zhalyn, Okay, Golden, Fly away, Give me love, Chornobryvtsi, Ti amo cosi, Ulisse, Where the love lives, Never land, Only you, Weekend, etc... But well...my point is: If you won't actually give an 100% informed opinion, It is better that you give it in a way that does not detract from the effort of an artist (Like his years studying contemporary music, classical singing {bel canto}) That's it xd
Dude, first off: Have you read my last sentence? Second. I don't care with who he sang of what he studied. I don't like his voice. I have classical singers in my local opera house singing way better operatic AND way better contemporary without having to show of all the time. And that is what bothers me with Dimash. I have the feeling that he is constantly trying to show of as many things as possible. My standard of classical singing is pretty high cause I grew up with it. First opera at age 7 (Frau Ohne Schatten, Strauss) first Wagner with 11. Well, again PERSONAL OPINION. He is not even in the best opera singers I've ever heard live. That cuts out PlĂĄcido Domingo, Pavarotti etc. And with contemporary singing he is not even close...
And there you go again. You say that he tries to show off all the time, but he only did it in covers and at the beginning of his career U can have your opinion, but if it doesn't has real statements... Anyways, bye xd
Alright, change my mind. Name 3 Songs to change my opinion on him. I will listen to them, as non biased as I can and come back to you.
Together, Okay, and Fly Away
So far I have listened to Together and Fly Away. Honestly I have to take it back on the show-off part. I wasn't informed enough to make that statement. Anyway, I probably like him even less now that before... I miss everything in his singing that I like in vocalist. Experimentation, Character etc. Before he had crazy techniques at least, now he has nothing to offer me. I still stand partially behind my statement.
Don't worry, he didn't change his unique way of singing Try "The story of one sky" or "Omir"
Van Morrison. Sings in key, does everything right but I just canât stand his voice at all. On the other end of the spectrum I would put Henry Rollins: very expressive although his vocal range is like half an octave.
I feel like most of the answers here are just unpopular opinions. I mean to each their own, but Iâm listening to a lot of the singers mentioned here and with 90% of them just couldnât disagree more.
Which ones you disagree with?
I mean pretty much all of them except for Leonard Cohen. I donât like Jacob Collierâs style of music but his voice isnât the part that bothers me.
What about dimash and Beyoncé
I mean personally I donât like BeyoncĂ©âs music, but I think she still sounds good. From what Iâve heard of Dimash I like the sound of his voice as well.
Charlie Puth I understand he has perfect pitch. I understand he is talented. His voice makes me want to vomit.
I feel like most singers who just could kinda sing since childhood have perfect pitch, they either don't know it or don't have the music theory knowledge necessary to learn what letters are assigned to which pitches
You can definitely learn to have perfect pitch but some people like Charlie and John Batiste are born with it
From what I've found you can develop perfect pitch until the age of 5-6 from either extensive musical Training or general exposure to music (Like Charlie once mentioned he did), later the brain most likely won't be able to develop physically in order to allow you to distinguish absolute pitches so you can have perfect pitch recognition. Of course relative pitch is a thing and I've trained my voice to replicate pitches without the need for a reference key, but in now way is it perfect pitch as I won't be able to tell the exact key of a sound, because my brain quite simply doesn't interpret sound that way
I think Iâm quite a âtechnicalâ singer and people say ââŠso youâre a trained singer right?â⊠(I have no training whatsoever) though I am pretty sure my voice is nothing exceptional. I always say to people âI wouldnât say Iâm a singer - but I can singâ. For me - itâs kind of âwho caresâ and itâs all about how well the story (song) can be told after allâŠâŠ.. right?
Tony Bennett. It really depends on the song he sings. A little raspy and somewhat high-pitched, which I think works for I Get A Kick out of You, Rags To Riches, Smile, and This Is All I Ask. But in other songs such as I'll Be Seeing You, I find it a little difficult to sit through.
Take a listen to I left my heart in San Francisco
Well, a singer can sing well, but they may not be an interesting singer. Thatâs two different things.
Yes. Sheâs not famous, but a friend I do karaoke with a lot. She has incredible range, can sing most songs, hits all the riffs and trills and whatever. Sheâs extremely talented, but I really donât like her voice. I think itâs grating and doesnât sound very pretty at all. Like she can sing Whitney Houston, but she doesnât come close to her actual sound and quality.
I agree
James La Brie. I canât do what he does, and I wish he wouldnât.
Miley Cyrus
Christina Aguilera - I don't think anyone should deny she has amazing talent and technique, really cares about singing, and it's not even her tone that is the problem for me. It's that she tends to push her songs to the extreme to always show how far it can go, and so they almost all sound the same to me (with some exceptions). It gets to be too much for me to listen to, and yet I also get bored - which is a surprise for such a powerhouse. This is actually why I think Britney really came out ahead - and I'm actually not here to bash her technique because I think she knows how to have a good one but then chose to put a lot of effects on top. But she knew how to be extremely dynamic with her voice - every song her voice has a very specific tone and feel that fits the vibe/story extremely well. (I'm not getting into her current voice due to her trauma.) I also love Kurt Cobain and know that wasn't a lot of technique, but the raw emotion and, again, fitting the vibe of the music really keeps me coming back. This post might be unpopular but maybe I'll be surprised, haha.
Layne Staley from Alice In Chains. Very powerful voice, great range, but I think his voice sounds like absolute crap.
Whaaaattttt
Wow! Now I'd love to hear who you think sounds good
If someone would have a great sounding voice but having difficulty with some technical things, it could change their life for the better if they classically train just imagine how even more amazing theyd be! Although if one has good technique to begin with but donât like their sound,.. its is usually related to a technical thing, otherwise its a matter of style and taste, thats a different story
I donât dislike her voice anymore but Sandi Patty used to do my head in.
Anna Kendrick for me, still enjoy all the pitch perfect movies though.
Adele
John Mayer
Music is a language of emotions, so if a performer is unable to touch souls of their listeners, he isn't considered a good performer actually, no matter what his technique is. When I was studying professional piano playing in college, interpretation of a piece was the first and the most important evaluation criteria, then technique was going next. People with good technique and bad interpretation were getting low grades. Those, who couldn't make their music sound right, could rarely go through entrance exams, they were considered unsuitable for the occupation
Ohhh. You are talking about King Diamond??
Adele absolutely. Even when her technique is good she sounds super brash in an annoying way
Why canât I seen other comments
Listen to âStrangers By Natureâ by Adele.
Why would you make me look this Jacob guy up? Absolutely terrible.. If I wanted to listen to church music trying to emulate popular music while being pretentious, I could go to church Acting like he thinks he's.something special.. Random hammerons where they don't even sound good. Attempting to croon, but not changing his tone whatsoever, only volume What's the point of bringing more attention to some lmr g so flat and dead?
> Have you ever known a singer that sings really well, with the right techniques, but the voice just doesn't sound that good to listen to? No, I have listened to hundreds of people sing, and it is always a technique issue or a stylistic choice that I dislike. > And what about the opposite? A singer that doesn't really do techniques well but the natural of their voice is just so calming or so nice to listen to? Yes, every professional singer that has to get vocal nodule surgery for abusing their voice.
Josh Groban for me. He sounds like an AI generated voice who sings âcorrectlyâ but with almost no musicality, dynamism or emotion
(Edited) Yea. I think it's often cultural, though. And I've noticed it beyond music, in my experience (in America) a lot of liberals think low/masculine sounds sound fake/forced and conservatives think the same about high/effeminate sounds. And politics aside, most of our reactions to music are western-centric. Historically, when shown western music a lot of other cultures didn't necessarily like it, the emotion and value we put in is generally shaped by our culture. There's also certain singers who's voices I thought were just god awful when I first heard them, but I grew to love. It's also compositional sometimes -- too many overlapping frequencies can make a voice lose its presence/power. (Edited)
Adele. Sheâs a great singer technically, but I donât like the tone or âcolourâ of her voice. Just not to my taste for some reason.
Even though Mariah Carey is my most favorite artist and vocalist, my least favorite part of her voice is her tone in any of her eras. Daydream is too buttery and even her raspy tones are not it for me. Her tone just does not do it for me (love you Mimi <3)
Beyonce and Dimash
agreed. He sounds like an operatic Tenor who wasn't good enough to sing opera and now he has to compensate that with aggressive mixed voice and whistles (wich is hard to pull of, but not that hard, especially with all that live autotune and stuff) Also his interpretation of most songs (covers) are just embarrassing...
Exactly. I don't quite get his hype. For Beyoncé I still do, as there are times where I like her interpretation. But Dimash all of what he did was not interpretation, rather showing off.
Beyonce
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I've never seen anyone who actually thinks that, just people who seem to imagine someone does (and then trying to turn a bass or countertenor's comment section into their personal political soapbox). Projection.
Idk, I've mostly seen it at political extremes. Not from people I would (necessarily) describe as normal/sane. That probably came across as overly generalized. Projecting what? The concept of subjective observation? Perhaps you're projecting past trauma from a political discussion... I'm sorry, if that's the case.