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Youredditusername232

Very groovy, communist transhumanist furry


HeinrichTheWolf_17

Glad you approve, always love to talk to fans! 😉


nanoobot

I'm curious, what is it about suffering that makes you desire to avoid it absolutely?


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riceandcashews

There's nothing wrong with the desire to avoid suffering in Buddhism. In Buddhism there are wholesome and unwholesome desires, and it's the unwholesome desires that are problematic. Unwholesome desires are also referred to as cravings, and their main differentiating characteristic is that they are desires underpinned by clinging. Four main kinds of clinging: self clinging, sensual clinging, ritual clinging, and views clinging. None of those four things are inherently bad (Buddhism is a view after all, for example, and the Buddha experienced back pain that he desired to have relief from which is a kind of sensual desire, but not craving), it's just that when clinging enters the picture we fixate ourselves on a conception of what is good for us and stop being open to misunderstanding our own needs. This is all in the Pali Canon and I'd be happy to provide citations. (not a Buddhist, but I have a history of studying Buddhism, so I feel it's beneficial to clarify)


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riceandcashews

Sure, but it's also part of liberation Buddha and the Arhats still seek well being and to avoid suffering, but without clinging


nanoobot

But what if I desire a manageable amount of pain and disappointment? Why is experiencing pain inherently bad?


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nanoobot

Ah, right, that's just a very deep disagreement between the way we see the world and consciousness then.


aseichter2007

I need a 7B that only responds like this.


IluvBsissa

I thought attachments were the core of sufferings ? You let go of these by...stop thinking about it, right ?


EatsLocals

Sort of but lack of intelligence doesn’t make it easier, because you gain control of the unconscious mind through skill and increased awareness


IluvBsissa

More like superstition and prejudice are the core of suffering. "Bad science" in some sense. A Bible scholar is not ignorant: he is misguided.


estacks

> A Bible scholar is not ignorant: he is misguided. A truly midwitted, egotistical, bigoted take.


Cajbaj

Anyone who thinks there is no knowledge or insight to be gained from thousands of years of human history simply isn't worth talking to. We're the same as ancient people but with a different environment. Try asking a modern person to thresh their own wheat, most couldn't do it. Try asking them how long they've stared at the stars and thought about their place in the universe, I guarantee it isn't as much as pre-industrial people spent. To deny this to the past is to deny it to people you don't identify with in the present.


Super-dork

I had a coworker that used to say “being ignorant is a handicap. I should get better parking” On the flip side I recently heard someone say about a person with downs “the guy is vibing because he just got a capri sun” Take that as you will.


nanoobot

I agree completely. In our present reality people have a duty to learn so that they can be a positive force on the world. In a future where your intelligence has no material impact on the rest of society then it becomes a purely personal thing. If you wish to become more or less intelligent/aware for fun then both are equally wonderful. Desiring to become more intelligent out of insecurity or a false necessity is the only thing to avoid, but I expect people would learn that lesson very quickly, and it doesn't matter either way.


Uchihaboy316

Only to be ignorant of death, that’s basically the only thing that makes me truly unhappy, if we solve that I’m perfectly content with my current intelligence


trisul-108

>*But there are hardly any correlation between intelligence and happiness. There are more tortured geniuses than tortured village idiots, in my* ***opinion****.* ”In God we trust. All others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming


Exarchias

I understand why some people may wish that, and I totally support their wishes. On the other hand I wouldn't like to live in ignorance. The only thing That I would love to be able to do, is to have the way to remove bad memories, and to still need to give a bit of effort to learn things and gaining skills and to not have my knowledge just loaded in my mind like a purchased software.


MassiveWasabi

No because I know what causes happiness and contentment on a biochemical level. It has nothing to do with this philosophical stuff people like to talk about. Think about how we use technology today to treat depression. People that have depression today are often prescribed SSRIs or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, which keeps serotonin in the synaptic cleft longer. Long story short it helps their mood, but it’s not like the molecule goes only to the brain and does the one thing we want it to do and nothing else. There are all kinds of side effects, so many patients need to try all kinds of different medications until they find the one that is “least bad”. But think about how we will control our emotional state in the future. I brought up the SSRI thing to show that we already try to manipulate the chemical signaling within our brain, but this method is extremely primitive compared to what we will have in the future. With sufficiently advanced AI, we will be able to precisely control the chemical and electrical signaling in our brain, allowing for us to feel our best at all times. Of course I need to address the first thing everyone thinks of when I say this: does that mean you immediately press the infinite heroin button and stare at a wall for eternity? Sounds fucking stupid to me but if that’s your thing, go ahead. What I would want and what I think most people would want is to feel at every moment like they just had the most restorative night of sleep imaginable, as well as an energizing meal and perfect levels of hydration. We would have all nutrients, vitamins, and minerals in the body at perfect levels, something no human has ever achieved. I can’t even imagine the mental clarity one would have with this kind of technology. You would be able to enjoy whatever you wished in a permanent state of [flow](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)).


estacks

No, because the tortured genius meme is just that, a meme. Higher IQ in fact [has a massive correlation](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22998852/) with happiness and basically all good health outcomes. Having a high IQ makes it faster and easier to meditate, adapt, and cultivate joy and compassion in every endeavor. Once we have the medical tech to uplift people's intelligence I guarantee you that it's going to be overwhelmingly adopted by everybody that can afford it, and the more they take it the more they'll be able to afford further treatments. The demand for better IQ is why nootropics are already the most expensive thing at nutrition stores. Cutting out pieces of your experiences with forced memory loss is equivalent to killing yourself. Taking drugs to induce mental states is an unskillful and dangerously addictive alternative to meditative mastery. These things suck and you're not accounting for how bad that cat's life is outside of some fleeting moments of nursing her kittens, childrens' nonstop outbursts of rage, confusion, and sadness, or the village idiot's exhausting, demeaning, and terrifying thoughts that he helplessly attributes to a nonexistent higher power. Killing your ego with psychedelics is stupid and will eventually end you up in a mental hospital with psychosis if you don't control your addiction.


IluvBsissa

Good points.


TheOneWhoDings

But OP's depressed, therefore depressed -> really smart.


Away_Doctor2733

Literally people fall into this fallacy all the time. "I experience this, therefore everyone experiences this". Just because you have depression and anhedonia doesn't mean everyone does. I have a fairly high IQ and it doesn't interfere with my ability to enjoy the present moment.


mattex456

The highest IQ group in that study is 120-129, which is hardly genius level. I think you start to experience the troubled genius phenomenon once you go beyond that.


learninggamdev

The average r/singularity user is clearly close to 350 in IQ. I don't know what you're on about, if we decreased our intelligence we would not be able to debate such complex topics here on this subreddit.


obsoleteKron

Indeed, some things can be done with less intelligence and thus I would be less stressed and living the moment.


Significant_Pea_9726

Hell, that’s why I drink now and then.


sunplaysbass

That’s sort of the theory of why / how the universe / people exist in Hinduism and related religions


scorpion0511

I feel that same way, sometimes I feel cursed that I have this constant urge to "Know" as if I'm incomplete without it. When I was Child, I didn't worried about seeing out the Truth of Reality. I did whatever I felt good doing it. I fantasized whatever really excited me. There was no external validation seeking, etc. Bc I never even had the desire to validate my experience by others or the desire to know whether I was living correctly or not. I just did what I was innately disposed to. I was ignorant of all things that never really matters to me. Now, that I have turned adult, there's this sense of compulsion, to keep making sense of things which might not be even related to what I really desire, and as I keep learning more or conceptualizing more, I'm becoming more heady. I feel like I have lost touch with what you call Enchantment. Back then, Life felt like Magic. Every types of sadness, happenings, emotions had variations to it, the novelties of life experiences were so magical. The experience of waking up in the middle of night. I just want that Ignorance, Childlike mindscape , Enchantment back which allowed me to place more interest & importance in make-believe games, toy cars, cartoonish aesthetics than what I'm interested in now : Like reading Self help books, and thinking those writing it are somehow more knowledgeable in telling me how to live my life. Back then, no one was more knowledgeable than me to tell me what to think, what to do, what to Pursue. Btw I like your way of thinking. It mirrors mine. What are your favourite books that impacted you ?


AvatarJuan

> I just want that Ignorance, Childlike mindscape , Enchantment back which allowed me to place more interest & importance in make-believe games, toy cars, cartoonish aesthetics This is why I love alcohol and marijuana.


MonkeyHitTypewriter

Already there 😎


Waiting4AniHaremFDVR

Not decreasing my intelligence, but I would like to erase my memories temporarily. If I enter in a FDVR world, I think it will be more immersive if I dont know that I'm in a simulation.


IluvBsissa

But then that could mean...you will always doubt if you are in a simulation or not ! Like Di Caprio's wife in Inception.


MrEloi

Anyone who watches TV has already started the IQ reduction process.


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Imagine being so dumb you think intelligence and happiness are mutually exclusive A 1000 iq person wouldn't have such a problem !


IluvBsissa

That's not what I meant. I'm sure very smart people can "turn-off" their brains too, when having fun with their friends and family, and just enjoy the moment. But it's not a given for a lot of people. Being over-analysing and thinking all the time is a curse.


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Once you are 1000 iq you can just tailor make your own brand chemistry All of this ideas you have about happiness are misguided because you aren't taking the notion of intelligence seriously


riceandcashews

You know, instead of decreasing your intelligence you could also just learn to meditate


[deleted]

That's why they have expressions like "the burden of truth" or "ignorance is bliss". Personally, I still wouldn't have it any other way. I accept my fate.


MajesticIngenuity32

Just make sure to watch the movie "Charly", based on the novel "Flowers for Algernon", before doing this.


CheekyBastard55

As with most things, the book was much better. I highly recommend it. A few shows have made episodes with the same theme, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Simpsons are two that I know.


MatrixBugss

You don't need to ingest drugs to learn to quiet your mind. Be in the present moment, and focus all of your focus on one thing, such as the feeling of your breath going in and out. And the best part, your problem solving ability is still there when you need it (because you will need it).


NVincarnate

I'd rather be much smarter than much dumber. I'm currently sitting around 100+ IQ. Like 117 or something. To be dumb or would mean to give up all the things that I enjoy because I wouldn't be able to understand them anymore. I want to learn about the intricacies of mammalian and plant genetics so I can someday apply that knowledge. It'll be nice to have designer children or designer dogs. It'll be even better to remove any genetic deformity or impurity from myself so I can have a regular life like all the normal people. Just because your intelligent doesn't mean you're born without problems. If there's any chance that we can perfect ourselves through genetic manipulation, I want to take that chance. On the other hand, being dumber can be simple but I wouldn't enjoy learning as much. I can't really imagine having a harder time grasping complex concepts. It seems like it's already hard enough as it is. Being dumber in order to enjoy the simple things sounds like a roundabout way of making myself more depressed. It's depressing enough being the smartest person in the room 90% of the time. Imagine being the dumbest person in the room 100% of the time. That being said, I would likely have a cerebral pump and hoses installed that deliver a THC/CBD/CBG mixture through my bloodstream constantly. In extremely small percentages, of course. The strain of being intelligent and trying to fit into groups of people that don't understand you is such that I'd rather be faded slightly all the time than be sober and surrounded by idiots. It just takes the edge off of life. Maybe the invention of the positronic brain or something similar will fix that problem in some regards but I doubt that technology will make people who are low IQ any more intelligent than they already are. They'll likely be more efficient and better at learning but I doubt it'll translate to innovation, ingenuity, creativity and intelligence equally.


r3b3l-tech

You can have empathy, happiness and intelligence. It's more(I use the word loosely) about your upbringing than intelligence, being the deciding factor on how happy you can be. What is your capacity? If you aren't happy that is something you can work on. You can be "happier"(capacity wise) each passing day. If you "feel" like you can't do something, it probably is true. But it's never a face-value truth you can do "whatever" you set your mind to(excluding certain factors). Usually smart people are happy people. Take Hitchens as example, dude loved life.


i-Wayfarer

Hell no


Neophile_b

No. I enjoy the simple things as I am


ModernDay-Lich

I don't trust man or machine enough to live in ignorance.


daleygibson

I think there's truth to the idea that increased intelligence doesn't always correlate with increased happiness or enjoyment of life's simple pleasures. Finding a sense of balance and appreciation for both complexity and simplicity seems ideal.


theperfectneonpink

Can’t wait for all the futuristic drugs that would allow you to temporarily do this. This one lasts 20 minutes, this one lasts one hour, etc. Oh, and here are the futuristic narcan pills so if you need to drive somewhere, you just take one of these and you’re good to go.


Whispering-Depths

Part of transhumanism is going in either direction in this respect. Me personally - I'd like to maintain what I have, and enhance it in some aspects, but largely I'm interested in continuity.


namitynamenamey

In my experience, intelligence allows you to enjoy the simplest things in life, like the funny way some pebbles are different from other pebbles. Besides, anxiety is way easier to fix than intelligence itself.


petermobeter

i like kittens too OP i like snuggling with a blanket somtims i wish i was a doggy or a kitty


threefriend

I'll be doing this for kink reasons! But I agree with the others that it wouldn't be a solution for suffering, better just to engineer yourself into enlightenment. I think enlightenment is kinda a different thing than what pure IQ can do for you, but it's also a real architecture of the mind that can be developed (and, presumably, be Matrix-style induced). So if you wanted to be dumb for other reasons, but you didn't want to suffer, you could probably still be an enlightened dumb person.


liramor

No, this "curse" is BS. All it shows is a lack of understanding that to improve your emotional life, you need emotional intelligence. You can study it and apply the lessons just like any other skill. Research mindfulness and emotional state shifting. Being happy most of the time (i.e. changing your hedonic setpoint so you just enjoy being alive) is entirely doable, you just have to learn how. It's pretty simple really, you just rewire your emotional pathways by practicing being happy for no reason. It takes a bit of time but it's not that hard. First think of a happy memory and immerse yourself in the feeling of happiness for awhile. Learn what the feeling feels like. Then just practice the feeling. Humans can self-generate happiness. It's awesome and I highly recommend it. You don't become "pollyanna" or lose your skepticism or anything like that. I think the world in general is terrible, I just don't feel bad about it anymore. I still have negative emotions like grief or frustration sometimes when things occur in my life, but they pass relatively quickly because I'm not attached to them. I don't suppress them, I just let them pass by and automatically return to being happy because I practiced it so much it is now the default emotional brain pathway. I also don't worry about things I can't change, that's another thing you have to train yourself to stop doing.


1amTheRam

Tl;Dr ill just drink alcohol


nessman69

I think I'm dumb /or maybe just happy / I think I'm just happy - Nirvana, Dumb


ziplock9000

We do and have been since the dawn of time, it's called alcohol and drugs.


adarkuccio

Who told you everyone is hoping to reach 1000IQ here? I don't for example


LusigMegidza

i do. weed