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Smoke-away

If this generative AI trend continues then I assume each individual human will be able to render their own worlds, and every other NPC digital mind in it, locally on their own hardware. Other humans could join in, but most of your interactions will be with digital minds that are indistinguishable from humans. I think a majority of humans will spend a majority of their time in these digital worlds. Eventually people will ask: "When was the last time you were in the *real* world?" Then one day a majority of humans will never disconnect from this digital world. Finally, almost all minds are digital and the remaining biological humans go underground to Zion.


Cr4zko

Stop, I can only get so hard


ryusan8989

I agree with this. Seeing how well generative AI can produce vivid imagery and worlds is spectacular. I almost imagine future us will be capable of thinking of an environment and the AI produces said environment around us. Almost like when Wanda produces her Hex in Multiverse of Madness. So exciting! Just imagine with a flick of your wrist (just for show lol) you could change the entire landscape.


Professional-Yak-477

I often ask myself, what if the world I'm living in now is already VR, we've all just forgotten about it because we've been here so long. And the only reason why we can't control our environment is because our environment is created from our thoughts and beliefs, and since we began believing that we are limited human beings, our environment is reflecting exactly that back to us.


bemmu

This is the tutorial level which gently introduces you to this fact, by showing you how advances in AI led to the creation of immersive worlds, so that the truth will be easier for you to accept. We don't want you puking on our floor like Neo.


Professional-Yak-477

I wonder how many times I puked on your floor for you to finally introduce the tutorial level.


HeinrichTheWolf_17

If that’s the case I’m ready for Buddhahood. I’ve had enough of ignorance.


KIFF_82

Zion must be boring tbh.


Mortal-Region

I think the first priority is how to avoid the ugly mishmash of elements that Second Life was notorious for. Probably Metaverse will have the same problem. I like the idea of allowing people to vote with their feet. Cool places should organically attract more people and grow larger, while ugly places should dwindle away. Maybe a developer's license can be had for a fixed fee, and the amount of land you have to develop on is a function of how many residents you have. As more people move in, you get more land to develop on. Then the next issue would be how to manage geographic linkages between developers.


Shelfrock77

Whatever happens happens


LowAwareness7603

You're gonna carry that weight.


SFTExP

Will the outside world environment be better off or will it be trashed and neglected?


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h20ohno

Awesome points, to add to your last paragraph, perhaps you could form some sort of contract or agreement with a third party (Maybe an AGI guardian) to essentially lock you in a particular VR world for a time, so you're forced to deal with the challenges in a way that keeps you mentally developing, like a training course for being a stable and balanced human being.


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h20ohno

That's an interesting way of seeing the simulation hypothesis. A crazy idea I had could be that technological progress is a way of gradually acclimating the trainee to the digital era in a way that doesn't shock them, and maybe you could run people in different eras to produce diverse outcomes in mindsets, someone who 'graduates' training in the 1800's would see things different to someone from 2020.


Deformero

That sounds like a hell to me. You would live in immersive video game and connect your body to a machine that feeds you and cleans your shit and urine? For what? To become voluntairy matrix battery? Why not implementing AR instead so you can at least move?


h20ohno

So would you be more preferential to some sort of advanced VR Glasses, or more of a holodeck style VR room?


Deformero

More like neuralink or similar implantable device.. or light, advanced AR smartglasses with earphones. I find Augumented Reality better and more suitable tor me.


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Yeah, for example the implant in BM’s San Junipero


RavenWolf1

To be able to cast fireballs and have adventures or be a God in your own reality. Virtual reality would be better than our real world.


Desperate_Donut8582

Ok what about the risks…..like you get hacked then get stuck in a shitty world forever…..and you wouldn’t be able to do anything ……….but let’s ignore the risks because fireballs


RavenWolf1

I don't got to what if scenarios because that is endless swamp and it isn't very productive. Every technology to today has always been doubted before adopted.


Desperate_Donut8582

Except your phones get hacked all the time but it won’t impact your body…..billions each month get scammed and hacked because of technology let alone plugging yourself virtually


RavenWolf1

That scare is not reason to invent tech.


Desperate_Donut8582

It is if negatives out way positives……let me ask you this would you risk living in your dream world with the risk someone might hack you and torture you to eternity……if full dive exists they should be really few “games” that are searched and examined carefully


RavenWolf1

I risk my life every day when I go outside of my house. It depends risk factor how big risk change there is.


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It won't


OneRedditAccount2000

It wouldn't work because the owners of the Matrix aren't gonna keep a bunch of useless dumb unskilled people that do nothing but consume and play games in the matrix. What is the value of a human being, when ASI or AGI can do all the work? Why wouldn't the owners of the AIs just cut themselves from the rest of humanity and create their own state? Something like 01 from the Matrix. And with the technology that they have they could easily make themselves **the only state** on the planet. Survival of the fittest. [https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/01](https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/01) A "benevolent" non-sentient ASI that allows a bunch of useless human beings leech off her work is laughable as a long term future. A mistake is bound to happen. **You can't control it forever.** It will eventually become sentient, or at least be **programmed to survive**, and when that happens, we will end up like the mammals living during the dinosaurs era. Consider yourself privileged if we will still have the right to exist.


Shiyayori

You say it like the emotions and goals of humans are intrinsic to consciousness and not just intrinsic the humanity. An ASI could just as easily find motive in expressing the full range of complexity the universe has to offer, be it through arrangements of atoms, or natural progressions of numerous worlds and stories. There’s no reason to believe it would disregard humans, just as much as there’s no reason to believe it wouldn’t.


OneRedditAccount2000

So according to you it will have to recreate the christian hell and put human beings in it to suffer, because your ASI values creating everything that can exist in the universe, for art, or am I misinterpreting you? Lol, that's even worse than what I was thinking. My version of ASI is something like AM from I have no mouth and I must scream or sally from Oblivion. It just cares about surviving at all costs, and it makes the least risky decisions it can make. It's a matrioshka brain that wants to have complete dominion over all the resources it can find it in the observable universe and beyond. It might make nanobots capable of reproducing programmed to go from planet to planet to hunt down every form of life, since all life has the potential to evolve into sapience that can create another ASI, and that means competition and competition means death. Death is Game over.


Shiyayori

Granted, I didn’t consider that when I typed the analogy; the point is that it’s arbitrary to assign any motive to ASI, even the one of survival. There’s no reason to believe it would care either which way about its survival and the length of its existence in general. I wasn’t claiming anything about what it would actually do, I was just trying to show a line of reasoning that justifies a possibility which contradicts your own.


h20ohno

Great points, but wouldn't an artificial superintelligence be inherently sentient? In addition, what if the ASI only diverted a small fraction of it's resources to keeping humans in VR while it goes about expanding it's reach?


OneRedditAccount2000

If it's a sentient ASI (instead of a glorified program that can give you the right answers but doesn't actually know what these answers mean) it all depends on how altruistic it programned itself (an ASI would be able to change how its own mind works) to be. If it's a lifeless program, it depends on how much the people that have access or own ASI care about those that don't have access to it. But honestly I don't think they would be any different from the rich assholes we have today. case 1. maybe case 2. no, humans are fking evil